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section125 : 6/13/2019 10:38 am
Morning all. Hope all have gotten their fill of Mets bashing.

Good News on the Stanton front. Looks like he hit 2 HRs last night and 3 overall in two games in Tampa. Moving up to SWB this weekend in Durham and probably to the Bronx on Monday for the Chisox series. Hallelujah!

Feeling is Judge will be joining Stanton with the Railriders as soon as this weekend and maybe be in the Bronx for the Astros series. Double Hallelujah!

Post says Madbum not really in the Yanks sights at this time.
Man, I am just dying to see those big boys back in the lineup  
Greg from LI : 6/13/2019 10:41 am : link
What the team has accomplished with a patchwork lineup has been amazing, but it's time to bring out the full arsenal. Gardner really needs to be a bench guy at this point.
RE: Man, I am just dying to see those big boys back in the lineup  
section125 : 6/13/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14471028 Greg from LI said:
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What the team has accomplished with a patchwork lineup has been amazing, but it's time to bring out the full arsenal. Gardner really needs to be a bench guy at this point.


I agree. He plays too hard and wears out. Bat is getting iffy. If I weren't loyal to him and a huge fan, one of he and Maybin would be on the ropes. Frazier going to SWB is unfortunate but maybe he gets his D together.

C: (2)
Sanchez, Romine

IF: (5)
Voit, Torres, Didi, Urshela, LeMahieu

OF: (5)
Judge, Hinks, Stanton, Gardner, Maybin

13 man pitching staff
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Kyle in NY : 6/13/2019 10:53 am : link
While I agree that Frazier going down does make some sense, and I like what Maybin brings as a 4th OF, it's not so simple to just take Clint's bat out of the equation.

851 OPS for him, he's contributed a lot at the plate. If Stanton can handle LF a few times a week, Clint can DH, maybe get in the OF once, and Gardner gets a start or two as well while also coming in late for defense. It might be worth it to just keep Clint up with the big squad for his bat and continue to work with the ML coaches on his defense pregame.
RE: RE: Man, I am just dying to see those big boys back in the lineup  
KJG5173 : 6/13/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14471033 section125 said:
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In comment 14471028 Greg from LI said:


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What the team has accomplished with a patchwork lineup has been amazing, but it's time to bring out the full arsenal. Gardner really needs to be a bench guy at this point.



I agree. He plays too hard and wears out. Bat is getting iffy. If I weren't loyal to him and a huge fan, one of he and Maybin would be on the ropes. Frazier going to SWB is unfortunate but maybe he gets his D together.

C: (2)
Sanchez, Romine

IF: (5)
Voit, Torres, Didi, Urshela, LeMahieu

OF: (5)
Judge, Hinks, Stanton, Gardner, Maybin

13 man pitching staff

I agree this might be the roster. But Frazier moving back to left will probably help him fielding. And putting him in AAA really doesnt accomplish much. He is a major league hitter that is for sure. And he needs to learn the major league outfields he will be playing in and work with the major league defensive coaches. What good does it do putting him to ride buses to different cities and play a couple balls that might come his way during the game.
truth be told, I kinda wish Gardner would just retire  
Greg from LI : 6/13/2019 10:54 am : link
The Yankees aren't going to release him, but he's clearly a lesser player than both Maybin and Frazier at this point. His defense is starting to slip.
What odds to you give Frazier still being with the Yankees by July 31?  
Giantsfan79 : 6/13/2019 10:56 am : link
he's easily the best trade chip the Yanks have to offer. Gotta figure every team is going to ask about him.
So to keep Frazier they need  
section125 : 6/13/2019 10:56 am : link
to cut either Maybin or Gardner...I don't disagree that keeping Frazier up would be great. But losing Maybin or Gardner when sending Frazier to SWB keeps him as a reliable hedge should Judge or Stanton regress.
PS: It won't be Gardner getting cut.
Conventional wisdom says Cash has to get another starter, no?  
The_Boss : 6/13/2019 10:57 am : link
And by SP, I dont mean a Lance Lynn type. Does anyone think, even healthy, Sevy-Tanaka-Paxton-Happ (CC looks shot right now) is getting past Houston, Tampa, or Boston in a potential playoff series? This might be the year to go get a Max Scherzer at the deadline.
RE: truth be told, I kinda wish Gardner would just retire  
section125 : 6/13/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14471041 Greg from LI said:
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The Yankees aren't going to release him, but he's clearly a lesser player than both Maybin and Frazier at this point. His defense is starting to slip.


Yes, he's not what he was on defense, but he is still better than Maybin. Couple of hits last week that Maybin loafed after that I think Gardner gets close to. Gardner clearly the best baserunner on the team, nobody even close. He's had some really good ABs last couple weeks - solid liners that were outs or caught deep.
Frazier the better hitter, true - clearly inferior in the OF and clearly, by far, the worst defender on the team.
RE: Conventional wisdom says Cash has to get another starter, no?  
section125 : 6/13/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14471048 The_Boss said:
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And by SP, I dont mean a Lance Lynn type. Does anyone think, even healthy, Sevy-Tanaka-Paxton-Happ (CC looks shot right now) is getting past Houston, Tampa, or Boston in a potential playoff series? This might be the year to go get a Max Scherzer at the deadline.


Yes those 4 can get past anyone. Don't forget Montgomery will be back in 6 to 8 weeks.
Problem is Sevy. With him they are ok. Without him they are not.
Scherzer is the class of the field but the price will be ridiculous.
I think Andujar is actually on the bubble because Urshela is playing so well. I do not think Frazier is as he is Gardners replacement next year unless Florial makes a massive leap.
RE: So to keep Frazier they need  
Kyle in NY : 6/13/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14471047 section125 said:
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to cut either Maybin or Gardner...I don't disagree that keeping Frazier up would be great. But losing Maybin or Gardner when sending Frazier to SWB keeps him as a reliable hedge should Judge or Stanton regress.
PS: It won't be Gardner getting cut.


Understand they're not cutting Gardner. So it's Maybin. It'd be a bit harsh as he's done a nice job filling in. But overall he's a pretty ordinary player.

But in the end, they likely play it safe and keep them all, sending down Frazier
at this point  
bigbluehoya : 6/13/2019 11:05 am : link
if Frazier is the guy they want to remove from the 25, I'd rather see him traded for SP.

Matt Boyd would be a good fit. I'd do something like

Frazier
Loaisiga
Abreu

Not cheap, but he's got years of control, entering his prime, and seems to have really found something this year.
RE: So to keep Frazier they need  
KJG5173 : 6/13/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14471047 section125 said:
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to cut either Maybin or Gardner...I don't disagree that keeping Frazier up would be great. But losing Maybin or Gardner when sending Frazier to SWB keeps him as a reliable hedge should Judge or Stanton regress.
PS: It won't be Gardner getting cut.


Designate Maybin and maybe he slides through. Its not like he is a hot commodity. Yanks got him for nothing. Anyone could have probably had him if they wanted him.
I don't see Frazier being traded.  
section125 : 6/13/2019 11:10 am : link
I really feel Cash wants him for LF next year. 11 HRs and 32 rbis .280 BA in part time playing. Good speed, good arm just needs more playing time to be a better OF.
I guess we'll see  
bigbluehoya : 6/13/2019 11:11 am : link
funny enough, I have the opposite hunch. I'll be a little surprised if he's still here after 7/31.
RE: I guess we'll see  
section125 : 6/13/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14471075 bigbluehoya said:
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funny enough, I have the opposite hunch. I'll be a little surprised if he's still here after 7/31.


certainly not out of the realm of possibilities...I'm thinking Urshela is making Andujar available.
RE: at this point  
Tesla : 6/13/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14471062 bigbluehoya said:
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if Frazier is the guy they want to remove from the 25, I'd rather see him traded for SP.

Matt Boyd would be a good fit. I'd do something like

Frazier
Loaisiga
Abreu

Not cheap, but he's got years of control, entering his prime, and seems to have really found something this year.


Loaisiga has close to zero trade value at this point. Guy has all the talent in the world but absolutely can not stay heavy.

Abreu has very little trade value as well....he's been pretty bad this year and his performance has never come close to matching his stuff.

I think our best minor league pitching trade chips are Deivi Garcia and Luis Gil.
I'm with The Boss  
Marty866b : 6/13/2019 11:32 am : link
Yankees aren't going far in the playoffs if they don't acquire a top starter. Can't count on Sevy for anything at this point.
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arcarsenal : 6/13/2019 11:42 am : link
I absolutely think they will explore moving Andujar even though they'd be doing so at a lower value point.

I also think there's a solid chance Frazier is involved in a trade for a starter. Even if you assume Gardner is gone after this year (I can't see NYY paying for him beyond this year even if he wants to keep playing) - you still have Hicks who is going to be a mainstay in CF, Judge who will be in RF for hopefully the better part of the next decade, and we'll see what happens with Stanton, but for now, he's here for the long-haul.

Then, there's Florial - who I still think has special talent and can be a really good MLB player with improved plate discipline and just more reps. Barring a setback, he really should be ready for the show after this season. So, he's going to need to factor in as well.

Reason why I think they'll consider dealing Frazier is because for this year, we'd still be well-covered in the OF. If Stanton and Judge both make their way back unscathed, you've got those two, plus Hicks, Gardy and Maybin. Even that is a bit crowded.

Gardner and Maybin would likely be out of the equation in 2020 - but then, as I mentioned, Florial will probably enter it. So, that offsets that.

I think Estrada is also going to be a chip they'll consider using in a trade.

I'd like to avoid dealing Garcia if possible. In the right deal for a pitcher, I'd not be against moving Miggy/Clint - I just don't want to thin out our organizational pitching depth or cut into it.

Loaisaga looks like a guy who is going to have a lot of trouble staying healthy. So, he has basically zero value in any sort of trade right now.
arc....  
Tesla : 6/13/2019 11:59 am : link
name the last guy Cashman sold low on (other than Sonny Gray, which he basically had no choice on).

He refuses to sell low on guys. Highly unlikely Andujar is going anywhere.
With Florial's youth...  
Dunedin81 : 6/13/2019 12:01 pm : link
and the time he has missed due to injury, September 2020 is more realistic.
I can't belive Judge and Stanton will be playing in my backyard  
Jints in Carolina : 6/13/2019 12:11 pm : link
this weekend!
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arcarsenal : 6/13/2019 12:17 pm : link
I don't think Cashman will give Andujar away - but I think they want to keep Didi here and extend him. With Voit/Stanton not likely to be going anywhere any time soon, where does Andujar even fit into the fold going forward?

Between Urshela, LeMahieu... even Estrada (if he's still here), there's more than enough gloves to cover 3B and the DH spot really isn't going to be free enough for Andujar.

I just don't see where he's going to play or how they're going to get him AB's every day unless Urshela really regresses at the dish and Thairo is gone (he's really not a 3B, but he has experience there)

It makes a lot of sense to deal Miggy if they match up on a pitcher.

Any player's value will be lower when they're hurt, but I don't see this really being anything that will hinder him much long-term. He had to have the surgery, obviously.

One way or another, we're going to need pitching help and we're not going to get quality without giving some up in return.
Let's see how Urshela finishes the season...  
Dunedin81 : 6/13/2019 12:20 pm : link
before we pencil him in for Cooperstown.
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arcarsenal : 6/13/2019 12:20 pm : link
And yeah, later 2020 is probably more realistic for Florial - but I do think at some point next season, he's going to be ready for the majors. Not out of ST - but depending on injuries/who is here, who isn't this time next year, I could see a summer 2020 call up... or September.
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arcarsenal : 6/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
Cooperstown? Lol, did I say anything like that?

Cmon.

RE: .  
Dunedin81 : 6/13/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14471168 arcarsenal said:
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Cooperstown? Lol, did I say anything like that?

Cmon.


Hyperbole on my part, to be sure. He's had a great start to the season, but prior to that HR he had been scuffling for some time. Just .206 in June. The defense has been solid, but trying to figure out what they have there offensively isn't a straightforward task.
RE: RE: Conventional wisdom says Cash has to get another starter, no?  
TheMick7 : 6/13/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14471059 section125 said:
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In comment 14471048 The_Boss said:


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And by SP, I dont mean a Lance Lynn type. Does anyone think, even healthy, Sevy-Tanaka-Paxton-Happ (CC looks shot right now) is getting past Houston, Tampa, or Boston in a potential playoff series? This might be the year to go get a Max Scherzer at the deadline.



Yes those 4 can get past anyone. Don't forget Montgomery will be back in 6 to 8 weeks.
Problem is Sevy. With him they are ok. Without him they are not.
Scherzer is the class of the field but the price will be ridiculous.
I think Andujar is actually on the bubble because Urshela is playing so well. I do not think Frazier is as he is Gardners replacement next year unless Florial makes a massive leap.


Every team they face will have an ace,a horse,a shut down starter. We don't have that. What we have is 2019 not 2018 Happ (16 HRs given up in 70 innings),Tanaka who seems to have one bad inning every start(12 HRs in 83 innings),Paxton,who has ace stuff but can't seem to stay healthy,Severino,who is a complete question mark w/no guarantee first half 2018 Sevy returns,CC,who has a hard time pitching 5 innings on most starts(14 HRs in 52 innings),German, who if he returns healthy, will be on an innings limit(12 HRs in 70 innings) & Montgomery who is a #5 starter at best(if he's healthy).They desperately need another SP & with who is out there,they need to roll the dice on MadBum.He may not be 2014 MadBum but then again,he could be! Even if Scherzer is available,Cashman will be told no by Hal (They wouldn't sign Keuchel because of the cap & didn't trade for Verlander when he was available because of his salary) So,our SPs are currently very shaky.Now,a lot can change from now until July 31st but Cashman needs to get help & there doesn't seem to be a lot out there right now! hopefully,that changes by July 31st!
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arcarsenal : 6/13/2019 12:27 pm : link
I know - his bat had to cool down. He's definitely not a .350/.900+ OPS hitter even though that's where his numbers were sitting in May. He's going to probably see his average drop another 20-30 points before all is said and done this year.

But, even if he's an average hitter - he should still be a part of the equation in some capacity next year.

I guess I'm just not totally sure on where Miguel will fit going forward unless he really improves defensively. But, there's time to figure all of that out.
Not sure where Andujar fits on this team?  
Tesla : 6/13/2019 12:36 pm : link
Assuming some modest improvements in his defense he's the everyday third baseman. His bat is electric. Wasn't everyone on this board crying and screaming that he was robbed of rookie of the year last year???? Now he doesn't have a place on the team?

I love what Urshela has done but let's see him keep it going for a full season. And truthfully I'd need to see more than that based on his past track record. Guys have been known to have fluky one year seasons before.

And DJM goes back to being the roving infielder like he was signed to be. Between rest days and injuries there's plenty of AB's for Voit, Torres, Didi and Andujar.

Finally, it's FAR from a given that the Yanks sign Didi to an extension.

Andujar's bat was the most consistent on the team last year...  
Dunedin81 : 6/13/2019 12:46 pm : link
for stretches he was their offensive MVP. I'm not apt to give up on him so quickly. And I'm certainly reluctant to sell low on a guy who got jobbed out of an ROY award. I see your point, and Urshela probably does have a role going forward, but Andujar's bat is potentially special.
Thoughts  
Mark in ATL : 6/13/2019 1:17 pm : link
With the way things have worked out, Im with Tesla on wondering whether Didi will be extended. Torres and Estrada could certainly do a reasonable job at SS next year. The money that you would pay Didi might be better spent on a pitcher. With Andujars injury and difficulties at third before, Im not sure how marketable he would be. As others have pointed out, Maybin might be a better fit than Frazier with Stanton and Judge returning. I guess Bird would strictly be a September call up and a throw in in an off-season trade?
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Prior to tonights game, the Yankees placed 1B/DH Kendrys Morales on the 10-day I.L. (retro to 6/12) with a left calf strain, and recalled LHP Nestor Cortes Jr. (#67) and OF Mike Tauchman (#39) from Triple-A @swbrailriders.
RE: Conventional wisdom says Cash has to get another starter, no?  
LS : 6/13/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14471048 The_Boss said:
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And by SP, I dont mean a Lance Lynn type. Does anyone think, even healthy, Sevy-Tanaka-Paxton-Happ (CC looks shot right now) is getting past Houston, Tampa, or Boston in a potential playoff series? This might be the year to go get a Max Scherzer at the deadline.


CC looks shot? Even in the last two game he lost when he gave up some runs he had 13 strikeouts and 1 walk in 11 innings. His ERA is under 4. Paxton has pitched worse over his last two games. 7 innings, 5 strikeouts and 5 walks. His ERA went over 4. Maybe the Big Maple is shot too.
LOL at Morales  
Tesla : 6/13/2019 2:12 pm : link
Guy finally has a 3 hit game and then goes on the IL the next day. Not sure anyone would notice the difference between him running with a calf strain vs. running without one though.

Interesting that they brought up Tauchman instead of Ford, who's killing it at AAA with 15 HRs.
Warriors cleared Kendrys to play game 6.  
bceagle05 : 6/13/2019 2:14 pm : link
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My thoughts  
Mike from SI : 6/13/2019 2:21 pm : link
1. Keep Frazier up and cut Maybin if there's a squeeze. Frazier has proved he's a major league hitter. Gardy is a lifer and Maybin is a nobody. It's a pretty clear and easy decision to me.

2. I also don't see Cash selling low on Andujar. The guy can rake. At worst he's a major league 1B or DH.

3. I think Sevy/Tanaka/Paxton/Happ is good enough to win in the playoffs. But if we could trade for another ace, I'd do it. (I would hope they don't have to give up Garcia.)
Paxton isn't "shot"  
arniefez : 6/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
he's injured and the Yankees are going to keep pitching him injured until it's too late for him to heal this year.
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arcarsenal : 6/13/2019 3:05 pm : link
I'm obviously not suggesting just giving Andujar away for peanuts or trading him just for the sake of trading him. I've been one of his biggest fans.

But, it's clear we are going to need to acquire a pitcher this year. There's no way Cashman is just going to leave this rotation as-is and bank on Severino saving the day come August-October. There are a lot of cracks in the SP foundation right now and we're going to need some help.

Teams aren't just going to be lining up to take on our b-level prospects and not ask for anything more - we're probably going to have to part with some actual value to get some. Teams like SF/WSH are going to be asking for players like Frazier and Andujar.

I don't think Estrada+ gets you a Marcus Stroman, either.

I also think LeMahieu became quite a bit more important over these last few months. I think the initial plan had him playing most days - but what he's done since getting here has made him vital and a guy who needs to be in the lineup every day.

And while it's not a guarantee that they extend Gregorius, I'd be very surprised if they don't. It's evident that the org places very, very high value on him both as a player and a person. They're going to want him here and I would be absolutely stunned if they just let him walk.

Bet on Didi being back here with a new contract in 2020.
RE: Paxton isn't  
section125 : 6/13/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14471294 arniefez said:
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he's injured and the Yankees are going to keep pitching him injured until it's too late for him to heal this year.


There is a brilliant take....if somebody on the Yankees farts funny they are either sat down or on IL....
New rule this year  
arniefez : 6/13/2019 3:11 pm : link
No waiver trades after 7/31. So we should know what the 2019 Yankee roster for the rest of the year will be in about 6 weeks, including whether we'll see Betances and/or Severino.
RE: I don't see Frazier being traded.  
Beer Man : 6/13/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14471072 section125 said:
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I really feel Cash wants him for LF next year. 11 HRs and 32 rbis .280 BA in part time playing. Good speed, good arm just needs more playing time to be a better OF.
+1, I hope that is the case. Looks like Morales was place on the IL today with a calf strain, that should free up a space for Stanton.
RE: My thoughts  
Beer Man : 6/13/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14471283 Mike from SI said:
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1. Keep Frazier up and cut Maybin if there's a squeeze. Frazier has proved he's a major league hitter. Gardy is a lifer and Maybin is a nobody. It's a pretty clear and easy decision to me.

2. I also don't see Cash selling low on Andujar. The guy can rake. At worst he's a major league 1B or DH.

3. I think Sevy/Tanaka/Paxton/Happ is good enough to win in the playoffs. But if we could trade for another ace, I'd do it. (I would hope they don't have to give up Garcia.)

1. Agree
2. Andujar could possibly become an OFer he certainly has a strong arm.
3. All three of those guys need to get back to where they were last year.
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