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Creepers: The next big thing in NFL defenses

BSIMatt : 6/13/2019 11:36 am
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In a perfect world, the defense could employ a scheme that provides the advantages of a blitz — maybe a free rusher; maybe a blocking mismatch against a running back — while not having to take a defender out of coverage. The question then becomes, how can modern defenses get safe(r) pressure?


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The answer, once again, can be found in Baton Rouge, where the LSU defensive coordinator, Aranda, and his “creeper” pressures have baffled opposing offenses. The Tigers used these “creepers” on 50% of snaps in 2018 en route to finishing fourth nationally in pass defense efficiency.



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The concept of a creeper — also referred to as a “simulated pressure” depending which coach you’re talking to — is not too different from the one behind the zone blitz: You have the traditional “fire zone” pattern of a blitz, with second- and third-level defenders replacing traditional rushers in the pass rush, but instead of dropping only six to defend the pass, leaving a void in coverage, you don’t send the fifth rusher and keep seven in coverage.

The next big thing in defense could end the NFL’s ‘pass rush v. coverage’ debate - ( New Window )
Thanks  
BIG FRED 1973 : 6/13/2019 12:25 pm : link
for sharing ,looks like a great read
That's not new  
Joey in VA : 6/13/2019 12:40 pm : link
At all. Belichick did it here in the 80s and Jim Johnson did it in Philly. Hell Spags used it in the super bowl.
DC's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/13/2019 12:43 pm : link
have been trying to gain this mismatch for years. That's the whole purpose of "showing blitz" and then backing certain guys out or bringing pressure from a different area.

It's used frequently in the NFL already.
interesting -  
Del Shofner : 6/13/2019 12:45 pm : link
my impression is that Bettcher has a similar philosophy.
I was thinking the same thing  
BSIMatt : 6/13/2019 12:59 pm : link
Have a good write up I found on Bettchers defense I’m going to post later, it’s from last summer but it’s a great read.
Dropping the DE gave Eli the fits as a rookie  
since1925 : 6/13/2019 1:10 pm : link
But this version of the zone blitz is not new. It's been around for at least a decade.
RE: That's not new  
cjac : 6/13/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14471185 Joey in VA said:
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At all. Belichick did it here in the 80s and Jim Johnson did it in Philly. Hell Spags used it in the super bowl.


I was just going to say "its the same shit, they are just calling it something different"
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GiantEgo : 6/13/2019 2:22 pm : link
It's an 11 on 11 game that's been played for over 100 years. Every combination has already been done to death. There is no more innovation to be had.

Someday a coach will bring back the Lombardi sweep and be hailed as a genius.
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90.Cal : 6/13/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14471284 GiantEgo said:
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It's an 11 on 11 game that's been played for over 100 years. Every combination has already been done to death. There is no more innovation to be had.

Someday a coach will bring back the Lombardi sweep and be hailed as a genius.


"There is no more innovation to be had."

Could not disagree more on that part.
RE: That's not new  
moespree : 6/13/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14471185 Joey in VA said:
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At all. Belichick did it here in the 80s and Jim Johnson did it in Philly. Hell Spags used it in the super bowl.


I think this is true. I can remember BB doing things similar to how this is described almost 35 years ago. I believe he may have been the first to do it.

It's just a new name for an old trick.
I guess the twist is  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
It's "blitzing" with 4. But as mentioned something that was part of other Ds.

Does Betcher drop DL in coverage often? Good to mixup things occassionally for young QBs, but not something you want to rely on.
Dropping DL's into coverage in the NFL is almost as dumb  
arniefez : 6/13/2019 4:15 pm : link
as rushing 3 guys. They're better off tying up OL's and creating lanes for blitzers. Dropping OLB's? There were times even LT dropped. The Giants have been burned about a 100 times in a row dropping big slow DL's into coverage. I hope I never see that again.
There is a difference with what is being described here  
BSIMatt : 6/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
And what Spags used to do/learned under Jim Johnson.

Going to post the articles breaking down Bettchers defense later. It an article in two parts, the first part actually breaks down Spags defense, the second part covers Bettchers, and how it is different.

Also, there is a ton of information in the article if some are just responding to the excerpt I posted. Definitely interesting, and part of discusses the analytics guys valuing coverage over pass rush. Really a great read if you have the time. Wanted to look at it in context of what Bettcher does and the offseason focus on coverage players over edge defenders.
It is the..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/13/2019 4:44 pm : link
same philosophy packaged under a different name.

It is the chess match that has been going on for awhile now.

The tenets of most defensive schemes in the last twenty years has been to disguise coverage vs. pass rush and where that pressure is coming.

And that evolved from the 46 and D's in the 70's that overpowered the OL with sheer numbers and skill.
Fritz shurmers eagle defense  
Mattman : 6/13/2019 6:14 pm : link
Was about disguising the rush, having fast guys either rush or cover.
Eagle defense (has clips of giants) - ( New Window )
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christian : 6/14/2019 7:33 am : link
That's a really good read, I'd highly recommend it.

You actually see the Giants constructing their roster in accordance to the two big takeaways; 1) pass coverage is more important than pass rush 2) pass protection is the most controllable factor.

The Giants have amassed a pass-protection first line and heavily invested in the secondary.

It's funny how Gettleman acts like this old school good, and has his dopey sayings, then does quite the opposite.
Very interesting read ...  
Manny in CA : 6/15/2019 5:39 pm : link
As Fatman notes, very chess board like, but these "tricks" mean nothing if the run option keeps being productive for the offense.

Gettlman has wisely taken a two step approach in fixing the defense - bolstering the defensive line first (after jettisoning run-plugging specialist Snacks Harrison), strong & agile Tomlinson & Hill then the big body nose tackle pick (342+) lb. Dexter Lawrence, this year

Eventually what it all means is - Which offense is forced to face hard-to-make 3rd and long all day, and coincidentally which defense gets to go sit down (while it's offense is scoring points and dominating the opponent)
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