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TyreeHelmet : 6/13/2019 3:07 pm
Big game tonight and last one ever at Oracle. Who you guys got? I'm predicting they are heading back North for Game 7 Sunday...
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Also whether right or wrong prior to this season  
ChaChing : 6/14/2019 12:07 am : link
'playoff Kyle Lowry' is now a good thing
GS obviously beat up but it's not like Curry was playing w Mozgov  
Eric on Li : 6/14/2019 12:08 am : link
and Delladova. Cousins made plays that live up to his talent. Draymond had a triple double. Iguadala hit some shots. Livingston hit some shots. Siakam and VanVleet just came up big. For 2 young role players on the road in their first championship that's pretty impressive. Ibaka hit some shots when it mattered too for once. The Raps gave GS some chances to win this one, Draymond missed a wide open 3 and Curry missed a couple makable shots. Believe he only had 4 points in that entire 4Q. If Lebron ever did that in a close deciding game nobody would ever talk about anything else.
Congrats to the Raptors  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2019 12:08 am : link
Hell of a win. Kawhi was legendary this run, put his name up there with the greats with this run. Carrying them past Philly, helping neutralize the Greek Freak and owning the Bucks series, and capping it off vs. the dynasty of the era.

Props to Masai too, this is a man who gained job security for decades barring off court BS. What a great FO person.

Sucks that Klay got hurt. He was the best player for the last 7 quarters of the series before he injured himself on an open fast break.

Curry is now officially someone who isnít the most clutch and will have his haters rip him strongly here on out until he wins a Finals MVP.

Great NBA season, sucks injuries ruined it at the end but Toronto was worthy and Iím ready for the next.
1st NBA game was NY Knicks at Toronto  
JohnF : 6/14/2019 12:09 am : link


NBA.com: The First Game

1946: Knicks beat the Toronto Raptors 68-66 at the Maple Leaf Garden, in front of 7,090. Great quote from the article:

Picture the scene that cold autumn night when the Knicks had to stop for customs and immigration inspection at the Canadian border. The story goes that the customs inspector, noting the physiques of Knick players like Ozzie Schectman, Ralph Kaplowitz, Hertzberg, Nat Militzok and Tommy Byrnes, asked, "What are you?"

"We're the New York Knicks," said Cohalan, who did the talking for the team.

From the inspector's reaction, it was evident that he had never heard of the Knicks and probably not even of pro basketball. The notion was strengthened when he added: "We're familiar with the New York Rangers. Are you anything like that?"

Deflated but unyeilding, Cohalan replied, "They play hockey, we play basketball."

Before letting them through, the inspector added: "I don't imagine you'll find many people up this way who'll understand your game--or have an interest in it."
RE: I'm not sure  
adamg : 6/14/2019 12:22 am : link
In comment 14471703 MookGiants said:
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how any of it is on Curry when he was playing 1 on 5 offensively after Klay got hurt. They were playing a fucking box and 1 on him and when they werent were running 3 guys at him whenever he touched the ball.

This is a tainted title. Fuck those assholes up north. Cheering Durant going down. Then they get rewarded with Klay going down.


What about when Zaza took Kawhi out in the conference finals? That was legit?
RE: I actually would have been pretty happy  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 12:22 am : link
In comment 14471719 santacruzom said:
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Were it not for how their fans cheered Durant's injury in a way I've never seen an injury cheered before. They became Eagle fan-esque at that moment, but at least their team didn't win the title on their home floor.

All in all though, it wasn't meant to be for the Warriors. Just too much to overcome once Klay went down, especially since Curry is such a loser who can't even persevere in spite of it.


Keep running out those extreme statements not one poster made. Looking more of a pathetic person by the post.
Kawhi first finals MVP in both conferences  
ChaChing : 6/14/2019 12:24 am : link
quietly epic
RE: I actually would have been pretty happy  
bw in dc : 6/14/2019 12:29 am : link
In comment 14471719 santacruzom said:
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All in all though, it wasn't meant to be for the Warriors. Just too much to overcome once Klay went down, especially since Curry is such a loser who can't even persevere in spite of it.


I think Curry has certainly had moments where he's struggled but it's silly to call him a loser.

I'm not a fan of a lot of today's style of play, but Curry has revolutionized and changed the game with his shooting. And that can't be underplayed.

I need Curry to be better.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/14/2019 12:32 am : link
It's not because they didn't win or because of him not having any Finals MVPs. With the exception of 1 game, he didn't live up to the reputation and status that's been given to him. In 3 Finals without Durant, he simply hasn't been able to elevate his game consistently. He always looks worn out and plays poor defense to boot.

Klay Thompson, OTOH, his numbers in this series were insane. He shot 54/59/88 in the series.

Congrats to the Raps, although this is very much like the Warriors win versus LeBron and the former Knicks (no Kyrie or Love). Good thing is no one will remember or care in the future. They'll just see the banner. MAJOR PROPS TO MASAI UJIRI for the Kawhi trade.
RE: RE: I actually would have been pretty happy  
adamg : 6/14/2019 12:39 am : link
In comment 14471738 bw in dc said:
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All in all though, it wasn't meant to be for the Warriors. Just too much to overcome once Klay went down, especially since Curry is such a loser who can't even persevere in spite of it.



I think Curry has certainly had moments where he's struggled but it's silly to call him a loser.

I'm not a fan of a lot of today's style of play, but Curry has revolutionized and changed the game with his shooting. And that can't be underplayed.


Hey bw. Haven't seen you around in a bits. I think santacruz was fucking with dep here. 'Making fun' as they say...
But, but, but  
Stan in LA : 6/14/2019 12:42 am : link
Curry said winning was in their DNA, Maybe he needs another DNA test...
RE: Also whether right or wrong prior to this season  
santacruzom : 6/14/2019 12:55 am : link
In comment 14471723 ChaChing said:
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'playoff Kyle Lowry' is now a good thing


Oh right, maybe that will be retired now as a pejorative.

How many players in this series did Dep NOT say sucked at some point in the playoffs? Maybe just 3?
Klay tore his ACL.  
bceagle05 : 6/14/2019 1:39 am : link
What a devastating series.
Steph missed a few more shots  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/14/2019 1:45 am : link
than was needed if Golden State wanted to win. He was facing a great defense that made it their goal to stop him and let the other Warriors beat them.

But so many people still downplay his effect on the game. All game when he would come off of pin downs or fly around screens, he would drag two Raptors with him. Like in 2015 series, he allowed the rest of his team to play 4 on 3 in many instances and it's up to the other Warriors to take advantage of such a great situation.

This Raptors team was incredibly balanced, had great front court defense and size with Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka, and Kawhi, and had the length with Kawhi, Siakam, and Danny Green to attack the perimeter.

On the other side of the floor, the Warriors were without Durant and then Klay in crunch time, had Kevon Looney playing with a fracture in his rib, and DeMarcus Cousins who is a shell of himself right now after the torn achilles and torn quad.

At the end of the day, the Raptors were lopsided favorites against this Warriors team similar to the Warriors against the Cavs when Love and Kyrie went down.
For the first time in my lifetime  
Stu11 : 6/14/2019 1:55 am : link
I'm 51, the NBA is completely wide open next year. The Warriors are done, if Kwahi
Leaves Toronto this will be crazy. Heck I may have to recalibrate my thinking. If tge Knicks can sign Cousins and Kyrie then trade for AD you're telling me that team cant compete for a title?
RE: Steph missed a few more shots  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/14/2019 2:31 am : link
In comment 14471746 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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than was needed if Golden State wanted to win. He was facing a great defense that made it their goal to stop him and let the other Warriors beat them.

But so many people still downplay his effect on the game. All game when he would come off of pin downs or fly around screens, he would drag two Raptors with him. Like in 2015 series, he allowed the rest of his team to play 4 on 3 in many instances and it's up to the other Warriors to take advantage of such a great situation. And he had Klay for the majority of the series who proved he was a boss. Curry kinda cemented himself as a frontline reporter and it is a completely legit take imo.

1-5 in the 4th when it was finally just him. Yes his impact is always there but you still need to get it done and he failed hard when it was time to be that guy.

This Raptors team was incredibly balanced, had great front court defense and size with Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka, and Kawhi, and had the length with Kawhi, Siakam, and Danny Green to attack the perimeter.

On the other side of the floor, the Warriors were without Durant and then Klay in crunch time, had Kevon Looney playing with a fracture in his rib, and DeMarcus Cousins who is a shell of himself right now after the torn achilles and torn quad.

At the end of the day, the Raptors were lopsided favorites against this Warriors team similar to the Warriors against the Cavs when Love and Kyrie went down.


No they werenít. I was literally one of like 3 out of 15 who chose the Raptors in this series going in on the BBI thread. For a reason. They really shouldíve lost to Philly if Kawhi wasnít such a monster. They were ready to lose to the Bucks if Kawhi wasnít such a monster. They are a great team and this was far from just Kawhi, but the Warriors still had the two out of the 3 most respected players in the series in Curry/Dray.

Curry is aiming at Top 10 status. Heís the closest thing to a guard version of Larry Bird thereís ever been, and maybe even more due to the way 3s are shot today.

Even without Durant, they earned favorite status.

Yet when it counted he failed. This is an unfortunate blemish on his resume but youíre crazy/dumb/blind if you donít admit it. LeBron or hell even Dwight Howard in 2010 wishes they had Dray/Iggy as their next two best players in a Finals. Curry failed.
There will be no 3peat!!!  
Les in TO : 6/14/2019 5:57 am : link
The voice of pat summerall after Bahrís FG was in my head as my raptors clinched last night across the bay. Steady Freddie had a huge game on both ends. Kawhi trade was a ballsy move by Masai as was trading JV Wright and Miles for Gasol
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Golden State team the  
GiantsUA : 6/14/2019 6:51 am : link
equivalent of a mini all star team?

Even without KD and KT - GS is still a top 5-6 team in this league.

Other then Kwahi, who does Toronto have?

Tough to feel bad for the mini dream team.

Look at the play when Curry trips up on his own feet, similar play in the 3rd quarter Kyle Lowry, no call.

Ref's did everything they could to bring on a game 7, not to be!

Great win Toronto, great series!

RE: RE: Also whether right or wrong prior to this season  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 7:06 am : link
In comment 14471744 santacruzom said:
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'playoff Kyle Lowry' is now a good thing



Oh right, maybe that will be retired now as a pejorative.

How many players in this series did Dep NOT say sucked at some point in the playoffs? Maybe just 3?


Jordan Bell and Alonzo McKinnie. 2 players I said sucked.

Youíre obsession with me is borderline insane. You have two different posting styles.

1. Crying GS never gets any calls.

2.Taking an innocuous comment I make (curry not playing well, Jordan Bell canít defend...etc) and taking it to the most extreme. I rarely respond to you for how fucking ridiculous you take things cause youíre a god damn baby. Curry stunk tonight. I only called him an all time great all series but said he didnít come through. But you go and say he should be cut, I said he sucked all series, blah blah blah. Itís really sad and you do this consistently. Grow up.

You care wayyyyyyyy too much about what I post. Like I said borderline insane.
Congrats to the Raps!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2019 7:17 am : link
Kawhi...what can one say? He was legendary this postseason. I hope he sticks around in Toronto, but if he leaves, no one there can give him hell. He delivered them a title.
Well I was wrong....thought the Warriors would somehow still win  
Jints in Carolina : 6/14/2019 7:29 am : link
but here come all the talk show hosts this morning saying GS is still the better team and Toronto only won because of the injuries.

That may be true, but let Toronto have their moment for Christ sake.
RE: For the first time in my lifetime  
gmenatlarge : 6/14/2019 7:33 am : link
In comment 14471748 Stu11 said:
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I'm 51, the NBA is completely wide open next year. The Warriors are done, if Kwahi
Leaves Toronto this will be crazy. Heck I may have to recalibrate my thinking. If tge Knicks can sign Cousins and Kyrie then trade for AD you're telling me that team cant compete for a title?


You can't be serious about signing Cousins and Kyrie! But that would be so Knick-like, signing those two clowns and then being stuck with them for years as they continue to stink!
RE: RE: For the first time in my lifetime  
superspynyg : 6/14/2019 7:56 am : link
In comment 14471786 gmenatlarge said:
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I'm 51, the NBA is completely wide open next year. The Warriors are done, if Kwahi
Leaves Toronto this will be crazy. Heck I may have to recalibrate my thinking. If tge Knicks can sign Cousins and Kyrie then trade for AD you're telling me that team cant compete for a title?



You can't be serious about signing Cousins and Kyrie! But that would be so Knick-like, signing those two clowns and then being stuck with them for years as they continue to stink!


Kylie to Nets is more likely.
RE: RE: RE: For the first time in my lifetime  
superspynyg : 6/14/2019 7:56 am : link
In comment 14471799 superspynyg said:
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I'm 51, the NBA is completely wide open next year. The Warriors are done, if Kwahi
Leaves Toronto this will be crazy. Heck I may have to recalibrate my thinking. If tge Knicks can sign Cousins and Kyrie then trade for AD you're telling me that team cant compete for a title?



You can't be serious about signing Cousins and Kyrie! But that would be so Knick-like, signing those two clowns and then being stuck with them for years as they continue to stink!



Kylie to Nets is more likely.


Kyrie. Not Kylie
Raps  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 8:09 am : link
Van Vleet and the Thompson injury won that game for Toronto. I really hated to see that Klay injury. Such a tough and great player who couldnít have been playing any better. He was going off.

Games 5 and 6 were fantastic. Wish we got to see a game 7.
People talk about Lowry whining  
Les in TO : 6/14/2019 8:19 am : link
About calls but Draymond Curry Thompson are among the best actors in the nba. Itís like they bring in acting coaches to teach them how to act shocked and angry
RE: People talk about Lowry whining  
Eman11 : 6/14/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14471817 Les in TO said:
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About calls but Draymond Curry Thompson are among the best actors in the nba. Itís like they bring in acting coaches to teach them how to act shocked and angry


So true. There was one play last night where Curry tripped over his own feet yet went to the line for two free throws.
RE: RE: People talk about Lowry whining  
Les in TO : 6/14/2019 8:40 am : link
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About calls but Draymond Curry Thompson are among the best actors in the nba. Itís like they bring in acting coaches to teach them how to act shocked and angry



So true. There was one play last night where Curry tripped over his own feet yet went to the line for two free throws.
and the play where green spun around Lowry flinging the ball to no one expecting that the refs would call it. Heís an incredible player but a crying diva
What a disastrous end for GS, losing KD, then Klay, wow.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 6/14/2019 8:58 am : link
That franchise is about to have a major pivot, let's see how they respond.

This offseason will be one to remember.

I have no idea if he has interest, but if the Knicks don't do everything they can to get Kawhi, they are crazy.
RE: RE: Steph missed a few more shots  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/14/2019 9:30 am : link
In comment 14471751 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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than was needed if Golden State wanted to win. He was facing a great defense that made it their goal to stop him and let the other Warriors beat them.

But so many people still downplay his effect on the game. All game when he would come off of pin downs or fly around screens, he would drag two Raptors with him. Like in 2015 series, he allowed the rest of his team to play 4 on 3 in many instances and it's up to the other Warriors to take advantage of such a great situation. And he had Klay for the majority of the series who proved he was a boss. Curry kinda cemented himself as a frontline reporter and it is a completely legit take imo.

1-5 in the 4th when it was finally just him. Yes his impact is always there but you still need to get it done and he failed hard when it was time to be that guy.

This Raptors team was incredibly balanced, had great front court defense and size with Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka, and Kawhi, and had the length with Kawhi, Siakam, and Danny Green to attack the perimeter.

On the other side of the floor, the Warriors were without Durant and then Klay in crunch time, had Kevon Looney playing with a fracture in his rib, and DeMarcus Cousins who is a shell of himself right now after the torn achilles and torn quad.

At the end of the day, the Raptors were lopsided favorites against this Warriors team similar to the Warriors against the Cavs when Love and Kyrie went down.



No they werenít. I was literally one of like 3 out of 15 who chose the Raptors in this series going in on the BBI thread. For a reason. They really shouldíve lost to Philly if Kawhi wasnít such a monster. They were ready to lose to the Bucks if Kawhi wasnít such a monster. They are a great team and this was far from just Kawhi, but the Warriors still had the two out of the 3 most respected players in the series in Curry/Dray.

Curry is aiming at Top 10 status. Heís the closest thing to a guard version of Larry Bird thereís ever been, and maybe even more due to the way 3s are shot today.

Even without Durant, they earned favorite status.

Yet when it counted he failed. This is an unfortunate blemish on his resume but youíre crazy/dumb/blind if you donít admit it. LeBron or hell even Dwight Howard in 2010 wishes they had Dray/Iggy as their next two best players in a Finals. Curry failed.



In terms of favorites, I'm referring to the Warriors without Durant, without Klay, and with an injured Looney. That is not the team the Warriors had going into the series.

Also, styles make fights. The 76ers and the Bucks have much better interior scoring than the Warriors which provided a different challenge to them than the Warriors did. Take away Durant, limit Boogie and Looney, and take away Klay, and the Warriors were a good but completely undermanned team against Toronto.

Those are the breaks-- the Warriors benefited greatly from injuries in 2015 when Kyrie and Love went down all but guaranteeing the title, and they were on the other end of it this year.

My original point was that Curry had a bigger effect than the box score will show because of how much attention he draws on him opening things up for his teammates. Just without Klay and Durant, they didn't have the shooting and shot-creating to take advantage of it.

Of course Curry helps create space but he had talent around him  
Eric on Li : 6/14/2019 9:47 am : link
Comparing the talent around him to Mozgov/Delladova/Tristan Thompson/Shumpert is laughable. None of those guys would have played a minute in the 4th Q for GS yesterday, let alone all 4 of them. Draymond had a triple double, he's a 3x all star and an annual DPOY candidate. Cousins played well this series despite hardly playing prior. When Iguadala is knocking down shots he's still a very good, winning player. Same with Livingston. None of those guys are dramatically less talented than Lowry, Siakam, VanVleet, Gasol, Danny Green. Draymond is probably better than all of them actually.

With 10 seconds left and down by 1 Curry got what's at worst a moderately difficult look from 3 for him. He hits harder shots than that every single game. He only had 4 points in the 4Q of a deciding game and 2 of them came from the foul line.

So bottomline - the team around Steph gave him a chance to win yesterday's game. He didn't come through. That doesn't change how good he is as a player, but that loss at home is on him. As it would have been if it were any other HOF/MVP level player Kobe, Lebron, etc.
Man...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2019 10:22 am : link
This offseason is going to be wild. Getcha popcorn ready!
RE: Of course Curry helps create space but he had talent around him  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14471901 Eric on Li said:
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Comparing the talent around him to Mozgov/Delladova/Tristan Thompson/Shumpert is laughable. None of those guys would have played a minute in the 4th Q for GS yesterday, let alone all 4 of them. Draymond had a triple double, he's a 3x all star and an annual DPOY candidate. Cousins played well this series despite hardly playing prior. When Iguadala is knocking down shots he's still a very good, winning player. Same with Livingston. None of those guys are dramatically less talented than Lowry, Siakam, VanVleet, Gasol, Danny Green. Draymond is probably better than all of them actually.

With 10 seconds left and down by 1 Curry got what's at worst a moderately difficult look from 3 for him. He hits harder shots than that every single game. He only had 4 points in the 4Q of a deciding game and 2 of them came from the foul line.

So bottomline - the team around Steph gave him a chance to win yesterday's game. He didn't come through. That doesn't change how good he is as a player, but that loss at home is on him. As it would have been if it were any other HOF/MVP level player Kobe, Lebron, etc.


Well said. Curry came up short. Not saying he choked but he didn't do enough to win.

What did everyone think of the last shot? With 9 seconds, why not run a quick pick and roll with green/curry? I know this is second guessing but down 1, that's a tough shot...
Hereís the thing with Curry...  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 10:34 am : link
His legacy is already cemented. Heís the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?

Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!

No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didnít pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.

Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesnít mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didnít come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
RE: Hereís the thing with Curry...  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14471967 dep026 said:
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His legacy is already cemented. Heís the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?

Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!

No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didnít pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.

Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesnít mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didnít come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.


Dep agreed.

How are you doing with your healthy buddy? Everything ok?
RE: RE: Of course Curry helps create space but he had talent around him  
Eric on Li : 6/14/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14471957 TyreeHelmet said:
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What did everyone think of the last shot? With 9 seconds, why not run a quick pick and roll with green/curry? I know this is second guessing but down 1, that's a tough shot...


I actually thought it was a great play and the right decision. They got 1 of the best 3 point shooters in NBA history a reasonable look and kept enough time on the clock to give themselves a chance to foul to extend the game and get another shot to tie (or win) if there hadn't been that time killing scramble.

Toronto wasn't executing offensively, had no TO's left, and GS was doing a good job trapping the ball out of Leonard's hands. So if that shot goes in GS would have been in a good position to get a stop. And if it missed and Toronto rebounded it in a typical fashion they would have fouled with 5 seconds or more and gotten 1 more chance to either tie or win depending on how Toronto shot their FT's. Anyone other than Kawhi gets that rebound and they probably split those.
RE: RE: Hereís the thing with Curry...  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14471974 Chris684 said:
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His legacy is already cemented. Heís the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?

Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!

No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didnít pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.

Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesnít mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didnít come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.



Dep agreed.

How are you doing with your healthy buddy? Everything ok?


Should read health*
Getting better...  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 10:41 am : link
Down 50 pounds. But all my cancer tests came back negative. Still in bed nearly 18-20 hours a day but doing a little more each day. Probably gonna be a few months until Iím full strength.

Thanks for asking.
RE: Getting better...  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14471979 dep026 said:
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Down 50 pounds. But all my cancer tests came back negative. Still in bed nearly 18-20 hours a day but doing a little more each day. Probably gonna be a few months until Iím full strength.

Thanks for asking.


Hang in there dude. Glad to hear about the negative tests.
RE: Hereís the thing with Curry...  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/14/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14471967 dep026 said:
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His legacy is already cemented. Heís the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?

Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!

No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didnít pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.

Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesnít mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didnít come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.


Kobe is 5-22 in those situations. I think 0-8 is more of a small sample of information than anything else.

I agree that Curry needed to be better if the Warriors wanted to win. 6-for-17 is not good enough in Game 6 of the Finals with all of the other issues the Warriors had.

But his Finals legacy is a bit of a faulty narrative. His efficiency is unbelievable in the Finals (even with last night's bad shooting). And it's still ridiculous that Iguodala won Finals MVP in 2015. If LeBron wasn't getting the MVP for being on the losing team, it should have been Curry. His shooting efficiency was phenomenal and he drew two guys out to the perimeter to guard him on nearly every play which created the wide open dunks and 3s for Iguodala. If Curry is rightfully awarded that Finals MVP, his legacy looks a lot different.
I still think  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2019 11:05 am : link
Steph should have won the '15 Finals MVP instead of Iggy.

He wasn't good last night. No doubt about that.
RE: RE: RE: Also whether right or wrong prior to this season  
santacruzom : 6/14/2019 11:42 am : link
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'playoff Kyle Lowry' is now a good thing



Oh right, maybe that will be retired now as a pejorative.

How many players in this series did Dep NOT say sucked at some point in the playoffs? Maybe just 3?



Jordan Bell and Alonzo McKinnie. 2 players I said sucked.

Youíre obsession with me is borderline insane. You have two different posting styles.

1. Crying GS never gets any calls.

2.Taking an innocuous comment I make (curry not playing well, Jordan Bell canít defend...etc) and taking it to the most extreme. I rarely respond to you for how fucking ridiculous you take things cause youíre a god damn baby. Curry stunk tonight. I only called him an all time great all series but said he didnít come through. But you go and say he should be cut, I said he sucked all series, blah blah blah. Itís really sad and you do this consistently. Grow up.

You care wayyyyyyyy too much about what I post. Like I said borderline insane.


I don't "care." I just make fun of you, because the results are hilarious.
But this narrative you're trying to spin about Curry  
santacruzom : 6/14/2019 11:46 am : link
Not being a good finals player is something you should own up to. He's actually pretty decent by any meaningful measure, 3 rings being among them.

You know who else didn't have a great game individually? Kawhi Leonard. But given that two of his co-starters didn't tear tendons they didn't need every ounce of him and they didn't have to worry so much about him being the center of the defense's attention with every step he took, whether he had the ball or not.
You do care  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 11:46 am : link
And itís sad. Iíve seen you post about me this offseason in threads Iím not even involved in.

Itís an obsession you need to fill your empty life I suppose. But itís really creepy.
Curry  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 11:52 am : link
I think the criticism of him for last nights game is fair. I think his size really hurts him in the finals. The games get so physical and he has trouble driving and finishing. He also really hurt them on defense. Heís not a good on ball or off ball defender.

Would have loved to see what Klay could do down the stretch last night. He was on fire.
Hey if the standard is being  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 11:57 am : link
ďDecentĒ - then I have no problem admitting that.

I can also say itís pretty evident that he needs KD to bring titles home since heís basically 1-2 in the finals without him with the 1 against Lebron missing his 2 sidekicks.
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santacruzom : 6/14/2019 6:38 pm : link
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ďDecentĒ - then I have no problem admitting that.

I can also say itís pretty evident that he needs KD to bring titles home since heís basically 1-2 in the finals without him with the 1 against Lebron missing his 2 sidekicks.


Which sidekicks of Lebron's were missing when the Warriors lost the finals againt the Cavs? Channing Frye and Matthew Dellavedova?
I know who wasnít missing  
dep026 : 6/14/2019 7:03 pm : link
Kevin Durant, which was basically my point.
Warriors have been the beneficiary of other teams being injured  
xman : 6/14/2019 8:52 pm : link
while they won title after title. In 2017 Tony Parker was injured and then Leonard went down with an ankle injury with the Spurs playing GS opening the door for a rout. In 2015 Kyrie and Love go down opening the door for GS. Was it just last year Paul goes down against GS with Rockets up 3 games to two only to see GS come back and win.
Yeah who cares about injuries, it's part of the game  
ChaChing : 6/14/2019 9:09 pm : link
sucks, and sure for competitive integrity full strength is what you want

But as a Knick fan, I'll take a full season of fixed calls and a slew of teams with guys missing en route to a ring. Not hoping for injuries, but well if it happens to your team's benefit who gives a shit (I don't want bs calls either but given that's the NBA I'll take it)

SA was likely to beat the Knicks in the 99-00 Finals anyway, but with Patrick out what chance did they have? It happens
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