than was needed if Golden State wanted to win. He was facing a great defense that made it their goal to stop him and let the other Warriors beat them.
But so many people still downplay his effect on the game. All game when he would come off of pin downs or fly around screens, he would drag two Raptors with him. Like in 2015 series, he allowed the rest of his team to play 4 on 3 in many instances and it's up to the other Warriors to take advantage of such a great situation. And he had Klay for the majority of the series who proved he was a boss. Curry kinda cemented himself as a frontline reporter and it is a completely legit take imo.
1-5 in the 4th when it was finally just him. Yes his impact is always there but you still need to get it done and he failed hard when it was time to be that guy.
This Raptors team was incredibly balanced, had great front court defense and size with Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka, and Kawhi, and had the length with Kawhi, Siakam, and Danny Green to attack the perimeter.
On the other side of the floor, the Warriors were without Durant and then Klay in crunch time, had Kevon Looney playing with a fracture in his rib, and DeMarcus Cousins who is a shell of himself right now after the torn achilles and torn quad.
At the end of the day, the Raptors were lopsided favorites against this Warriors team similar to the Warriors against the Cavs when Love and Kyrie went down.
No they weren’t. I was literally one of like 3 out of 15 who chose the Raptors in this series going in on the BBI thread. For a reason. They really should’ve lost to Philly if Kawhi wasn’t such a monster. They were ready to lose to the Bucks if Kawhi wasn’t such a monster. They are a great team and this was far from just Kawhi, but the Warriors still had the two out of the 3 most respected players in the series in Curry/Dray.
Curry is aiming at Top 10 status. He’s the closest thing to a guard version of Larry Bird there’s ever been, and maybe even more due to the way 3s are shot today.
Even without Durant, they earned favorite status.
Yet when it counted he failed. This is an unfortunate blemish on his resume but you’re crazy/dumb/blind if you don’t admit it. LeBron or hell even Dwight Howard in 2010 wishes they had Dray/Iggy as their next two best players in a Finals. Curry failed.
In terms of favorites, I'm referring to the Warriors without Durant, without Klay, and with an injured Looney. That is not the team the Warriors had going into the series.
Also, styles make fights. The 76ers and the Bucks have much better interior scoring than the Warriors which provided a different challenge to them than the Warriors did. Take away Durant, limit Boogie and Looney, and take away Klay, and the Warriors were a good but completely undermanned team against Toronto.
Those are the breaks-- the Warriors benefited greatly from injuries in 2015 when Kyrie and Love went down all but guaranteeing the title, and they were on the other end of it this year.
My original point was that Curry had a bigger effect than the box score will show because of how much attention he draws on him opening things up for his teammates. Just without Klay and Durant, they didn't have the shooting and shot-creating to take advantage of it.
Of course Curry helps create space but he had talent around him Â
Comparing the talent around him to Mozgov/Delladova/Tristan Thompson/Shumpert is laughable. None of those guys would have played a minute in the 4th Q for GS yesterday, let alone all 4 of them. Draymond had a triple double, he's a 3x all star and an annual DPOY candidate. Cousins played well this series despite hardly playing prior. When Iguadala is knocking down shots he's still a very good, winning player. Same with Livingston. None of those guys are dramatically less talented than Lowry, Siakam, VanVleet, Gasol, Danny Green. Draymond is probably better than all of them actually.
With 10 seconds left and down by 1 Curry got what's at worst a moderately difficult look from 3 for him. He hits harder shots than that every single game. He only had 4 points in the 4Q of a deciding game and 2 of them came from the foul line.
So bottomline - the team around Steph gave him a chance to win yesterday's game. He didn't come through. That doesn't change how good he is as a player, but that loss at home is on him. As it would have been if it were any other HOF/MVP level player Kobe, Lebron, etc.
Comparing the talent around him to Mozgov/Delladova/Tristan Thompson/Shumpert is laughable. None of those guys would have played a minute in the 4th Q for GS yesterday, let alone all 4 of them. Draymond had a triple double, he's a 3x all star and an annual DPOY candidate. Cousins played well this series despite hardly playing prior. When Iguadala is knocking down shots he's still a very good, winning player. Same with Livingston. None of those guys are dramatically less talented than Lowry, Siakam, VanVleet, Gasol, Danny Green. Draymond is probably better than all of them actually.
With 10 seconds left and down by 1 Curry got what's at worst a moderately difficult look from 3 for him. He hits harder shots than that every single game. He only had 4 points in the 4Q of a deciding game and 2 of them came from the foul line.
So bottomline - the team around Steph gave him a chance to win yesterday's game. He didn't come through. That doesn't change how good he is as a player, but that loss at home is on him. As it would have been if it were any other HOF/MVP level player Kobe, Lebron, etc.
Well said. Curry came up short. Not saying he choked but he didn't do enough to win.
What did everyone think of the last shot? With 9 seconds, why not run a quick pick and roll with green/curry? I know this is second guessing but down 1, that's a tough shot...
His legacy is already cemented. He’s the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
His legacy is already cemented. He’s the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Dep agreed.
How are you doing with your healthy buddy? Everything ok?
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What did everyone think of the last shot? With 9 seconds, why not run a quick pick and roll with green/curry? I know this is second guessing but down 1, that's a tough shot...
I actually thought it was a great play and the right decision. They got 1 of the best 3 point shooters in NBA history a reasonable look and kept enough time on the clock to give themselves a chance to foul to extend the game and get another shot to tie (or win) if there hadn't been that time killing scramble.
Toronto wasn't executing offensively, had no TO's left, and GS was doing a good job trapping the ball out of Leonard's hands. So if that shot goes in GS would have been in a good position to get a stop. And if it missed and Toronto rebounded it in a typical fashion they would have fouled with 5 seconds or more and gotten 1 more chance to either tie or win depending on how Toronto shot their FT's. Anyone other than Kawhi gets that rebound and they probably split those.
His legacy is already cemented. He’s the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Dep agreed.
How are you doing with your healthy buddy? Everything ok?
Down 50 pounds. But all my cancer tests came back negative. Still in bed nearly 18-20 hours a day but doing a little more each day. Probably gonna be a few months until I’m full strength.
Down 50 pounds. But all my cancer tests came back negative. Still in bed nearly 18-20 hours a day but doing a little more each day. Probably gonna be a few months until I’m full strength.
Thanks for asking.
Hang in there dude. Glad to hear about the negative tests.
His legacy is already cemented. He’s the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Kobe is 5-22 in those situations. I think 0-8 is more of a small sample of information than anything else.
I agree that Curry needed to be better if the Warriors wanted to win. 6-for-17 is not good enough in Game 6 of the Finals with all of the other issues the Warriors had.
But his Finals legacy is a bit of a faulty narrative. His efficiency is unbelievable in the Finals (even with last night's bad shooting). And it's still ridiculous that Iguodala won Finals MVP in 2015. If LeBron wasn't getting the MVP for being on the losing team, it should have been Curry. His shooting efficiency was phenomenal and he drew two guys out to the perimeter to guard him on nearly every play which created the wide open dunks and 3s for Iguodala. If Curry is rightfully awarded that Finals MVP, his legacy looks a lot different.
Oh right, maybe that will be retired now as a pejorative.
How many players in this series did Dep NOT say sucked at some point in the playoffs? Maybe just 3?
Jordan Bell and Alonzo McKinnie. 2 players I said sucked.
You’re obsession with me is borderline insane. You have two different posting styles.
1. Crying GS never gets any calls.
2.Taking an innocuous comment I make (curry not playing well, Jordan Bell can’t defend...etc) and taking it to the most extreme. I rarely respond to you for how fucking ridiculous you take things cause you’re a god damn baby. Curry stunk tonight. I only called him an all time great all series but said he didn’t come through. But you go and say he should be cut, I said he sucked all series, blah blah blah. It’s really sad and you do this consistently. Grow up.
You care wayyyyyyyy too much about what I post. Like I said borderline insane.
I don't "care." I just make fun of you, because the results are hilarious.
But this narrative you're trying to spin about Curry Â
Not being a good finals player is something you should own up to. He's actually pretty decent by any meaningful measure, 3 rings being among them.
You know who else didn't have a great game individually? Kawhi Leonard. But given that two of his co-starters didn't tear tendons they didn't need every ounce of him and they didn't have to worry so much about him being the center of the defense's attention with every step he took, whether he had the ball or not.
I think the criticism of him for last nights game is fair. I think his size really hurts him in the finals. The games get so physical and he has trouble driving and finishing. He also really hurt them on defense. He’s not a good on ball or off ball defender.
Would have loved to see what Klay could do down the stretch last night. He was on fire.
I can also say it’s pretty evident that he needs KD to bring titles home since he’s basically 1-2 in the finals without him with the 1 against Lebron missing his 2 sidekicks.
I can also say it’s pretty evident that he needs KD to bring titles home since he’s basically 1-2 in the finals without him with the 1 against Lebron missing his 2 sidekicks.
Which sidekicks of Lebron's were missing when the Warriors lost the finals againt the Cavs? Channing Frye and Matthew Dellavedova?
while they won title after title. In 2017 Tony Parker was injured and then Leonard went down with an ankle injury with the Spurs playing GS opening the door for a rout. In 2015 Kyrie and Love go down opening the door for GS. Was it just last year Paul goes down against GS with Rockets up 3 games to two only to see GS come back and win.
Yeah who cares about injuries, it's part of the game Â
sucks, and sure for competitive integrity full strength is what you want
But as a Knick fan, I'll take a full season of fixed calls and a slew of teams with guys missing en route to a ring. Not hoping for injuries, but well if it happens to your team's benefit who gives a shit (I don't want bs calls either but given that's the NBA I'll take it)
SA was likely to beat the Knicks in the 99-00 Finals anyway, but with Patrick out what chance did they have? It happens
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than was needed if Golden State wanted to win. He was facing a great defense that made it their goal to stop him and let the other Warriors beat them.
But so many people still downplay his effect on the game. All game when he would come off of pin downs or fly around screens, he would drag two Raptors with him. Like in 2015 series, he allowed the rest of his team to play 4 on 3 in many instances and it's up to the other Warriors to take advantage of such a great situation. And he had Klay for the majority of the series who proved he was a boss. Curry kinda cemented himself as a frontline reporter and it is a completely legit take imo.
1-5 in the 4th when it was finally just him. Yes his impact is always there but you still need to get it done and he failed hard when it was time to be that guy.
This Raptors team was incredibly balanced, had great front court defense and size with Gasol, Siakam, Ibaka, and Kawhi, and had the length with Kawhi, Siakam, and Danny Green to attack the perimeter.
On the other side of the floor, the Warriors were without Durant and then Klay in crunch time, had Kevon Looney playing with a fracture in his rib, and DeMarcus Cousins who is a shell of himself right now after the torn achilles and torn quad.
At the end of the day, the Raptors were lopsided favorites against this Warriors team similar to the Warriors against the Cavs when Love and Kyrie went down.
No they weren’t. I was literally one of like 3 out of 15 who chose the Raptors in this series going in on the BBI thread. For a reason. They really should’ve lost to Philly if Kawhi wasn’t such a monster. They were ready to lose to the Bucks if Kawhi wasn’t such a monster. They are a great team and this was far from just Kawhi, but the Warriors still had the two out of the 3 most respected players in the series in Curry/Dray.
Curry is aiming at Top 10 status. He’s the closest thing to a guard version of Larry Bird there’s ever been, and maybe even more due to the way 3s are shot today.
Even without Durant, they earned favorite status.
Yet when it counted he failed. This is an unfortunate blemish on his resume but you’re crazy/dumb/blind if you don’t admit it. LeBron or hell even Dwight Howard in 2010 wishes they had Dray/Iggy as their next two best players in a Finals. Curry failed.
In terms of favorites, I'm referring to the Warriors without Durant, without Klay, and with an injured Looney. That is not the team the Warriors had going into the series.
Also, styles make fights. The 76ers and the Bucks have much better interior scoring than the Warriors which provided a different challenge to them than the Warriors did. Take away Durant, limit Boogie and Looney, and take away Klay, and the Warriors were a good but completely undermanned team against Toronto.
Those are the breaks-- the Warriors benefited greatly from injuries in 2015 when Kyrie and Love went down all but guaranteeing the title, and they were on the other end of it this year.
My original point was that Curry had a bigger effect than the box score will show because of how much attention he draws on him opening things up for his teammates. Just without Klay and Durant, they didn't have the shooting and shot-creating to take advantage of it.
With 10 seconds left and down by 1 Curry got what's at worst a moderately difficult look from 3 for him. He hits harder shots than that every single game. He only had 4 points in the 4Q of a deciding game and 2 of them came from the foul line.
So bottomline - the team around Steph gave him a chance to win yesterday's game. He didn't come through. That doesn't change how good he is as a player, but that loss at home is on him. As it would have been if it were any other HOF/MVP level player Kobe, Lebron, etc.
With 10 seconds left and down by 1 Curry got what's at worst a moderately difficult look from 3 for him. He hits harder shots than that every single game. He only had 4 points in the 4Q of a deciding game and 2 of them came from the foul line.
So bottomline - the team around Steph gave him a chance to win yesterday's game. He didn't come through. That doesn't change how good he is as a player, but that loss at home is on him. As it would have been if it were any other HOF/MVP level player Kobe, Lebron, etc.
Well said. Curry came up short. Not saying he choked but he didn't do enough to win.
What did everyone think of the last shot? With 9 seconds, why not run a quick pick and roll with green/curry? I know this is second guessing but down 1, that's a tough shot...
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Dep agreed.
How are you doing with your healthy buddy? Everything ok?
What did everyone think of the last shot? With 9 seconds, why not run a quick pick and roll with green/curry? I know this is second guessing but down 1, that's a tough shot...
I actually thought it was a great play and the right decision. They got 1 of the best 3 point shooters in NBA history a reasonable look and kept enough time on the clock to give themselves a chance to foul to extend the game and get another shot to tie (or win) if there hadn't been that time killing scramble.
Toronto wasn't executing offensively, had no TO's left, and GS was doing a good job trapping the ball out of Leonard's hands. So if that shot goes in GS would have been in a good position to get a stop. And if it missed and Toronto rebounded it in a typical fashion they would have fouled with 5 seconds or more and gotten 1 more chance to either tie or win depending on how Toronto shot their FT's. Anyone other than Kawhi gets that rebound and they probably split those.
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His legacy is already cemented. He’s the best shooter and an all time great. But when it comes to the finals, his play gets worse, not better. And if Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc.... played like he did - they would all be crucified. He went 1-6 after Klay went down with 4 points in the 4th. I mean remember all the shit Lebron took against Dallas?
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Dep agreed.
How are you doing with your healthy buddy? Everything ok?
Should read health*
Thanks for asking.
Thanks for asking.
Hang in there dude. Glad to hear about the negative tests.
Curry is now 0-8 in the last 20 seconds in shooting for the lead. Imagine Lebron being 0-8?!?!
No one is blaming Curry for the series loss but he didn’t pull the weight needed to win. Look at the Raptors... Lowry stepped up, Van Fleet stepped up, Siakam stepped up... hell even Ibaka played better than what was expected.
Klay was a monster when he played. Draymond was everywhere. Iggy has some big moments. And yes there were times when Curry played well... but he goes MIA way too often in the finals like he did last night. It doesn’t mean he sucks or needs to be cut.... but the fact is he didn’t come through. And that is part of his legacy, fair or unfair.
Kobe is 5-22 in those situations. I think 0-8 is more of a small sample of information than anything else.
I agree that Curry needed to be better if the Warriors wanted to win. 6-for-17 is not good enough in Game 6 of the Finals with all of the other issues the Warriors had.
But his Finals legacy is a bit of a faulty narrative. His efficiency is unbelievable in the Finals (even with last night's bad shooting). And it's still ridiculous that Iguodala won Finals MVP in 2015. If LeBron wasn't getting the MVP for being on the losing team, it should have been Curry. His shooting efficiency was phenomenal and he drew two guys out to the perimeter to guard him on nearly every play which created the wide open dunks and 3s for Iguodala. If Curry is rightfully awarded that Finals MVP, his legacy looks a lot different.
He wasn't good last night. No doubt about that.
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'playoff Kyle Lowry' is now a good thing
Oh right, maybe that will be retired now as a pejorative.
How many players in this series did Dep NOT say sucked at some point in the playoffs? Maybe just 3?
Jordan Bell and Alonzo McKinnie. 2 players I said sucked.
You’re obsession with me is borderline insane. You have two different posting styles.
1. Crying GS never gets any calls.
2.Taking an innocuous comment I make (curry not playing well, Jordan Bell can’t defend...etc) and taking it to the most extreme. I rarely respond to you for how fucking ridiculous you take things cause you’re a god damn baby. Curry stunk tonight. I only called him an all time great all series but said he didn’t come through. But you go and say he should be cut, I said he sucked all series, blah blah blah. It’s really sad and you do this consistently. Grow up.
You care wayyyyyyyy too much about what I post. Like I said borderline insane.
I don't "care." I just make fun of you, because the results are hilarious.
You know who else didn't have a great game individually? Kawhi Leonard. But given that two of his co-starters didn't tear tendons they didn't need every ounce of him and they didn't have to worry so much about him being the center of the defense's attention with every step he took, whether he had the ball or not.
It’s an obsession you need to fill your empty life I suppose. But it’s really creepy.
Would have loved to see what Klay could do down the stretch last night. He was on fire.
I can also say it’s pretty evident that he needs KD to bring titles home since he’s basically 1-2 in the finals without him with the 1 against Lebron missing his 2 sidekicks.
I can also say it’s pretty evident that he needs KD to bring titles home since he’s basically 1-2 in the finals without him with the 1 against Lebron missing his 2 sidekicks.
Which sidekicks of Lebron's were missing when the Warriors lost the finals againt the Cavs? Channing Frye and Matthew Dellavedova?
But as a Knick fan, I'll take a full season of fixed calls and a slew of teams with guys missing en route to a ring. Not hoping for injuries, but well if it happens to your team's benefit who gives a shit (I don't want bs calls either but given that's the NBA I'll take it)
SA was likely to beat the Knicks in the 99-00 Finals anyway, but with Patrick out what chance did they have? It happens