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D. Jones stands out again - June 13th OTA's.....

sxdxca : 6/13/2019 9:25 pm
He seems to be doing this almost daily now....

QB DANIEL JONES: "The sixth overall pick finished strong, completing a handful of pinpoint throws at the indoor practice. He opened with an impressive pass to Rhett Ellison on the left sideline before connecting with Scott Simsonson, another tight end, for a touchdown during red-zone drills. His best play went to wide receiver Bennie Fowler, who got enough clearance down the middle of the field and Jones hit him in stride. That’s how you finish spring practices and set the stage for training camp."

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Also shows how likely it is many of these 'skeptics'  
ChaChing : 6/13/2019 10:35 pm : link
that are changing their mind from OTA didn't really watch him all that much at Duke, but still had a strong, definitive opinion on it...
I was surprised at the Jones pick as well  
BillT : 6/13/2019 10:40 pm : link
But I’m pretty sure now we got a guy who is going to be the future of this franchise.
RE: Sung to the tune  
Giants38 : 6/13/2019 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14471567 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Jump on that train
High on his name,
Daniel Jones you better watch your speed!

If you listen carefully, you'll hear that the enthusiasm "is relative to what was expected from the rookie QB" and "a pleasant surprise."

Well at least in Big Blue Land. much of the consternation about DJ's selection at 6 overall is abating, and that's a good thing.

Listen carefully, and you'll also hear that his long passes "have too much air underneath them" and he performed poorly when he had to throw in a stiff wind - even though he was throwing mostly short and mid range passes with the wind, not into it. His throws sailed. It was a day when the winds whipped up to 25 mph, hardly unusual in the Meadowlands area, and well short of the 35-40 mph gusts that kick up in December.

The above notes paraphrased from Patti Traina.


I'll go by what I've seen, and all the highlights show him throwing a pretty deep ball. The rest of the beat writers have said he has greater than expected arm strength. There were also earlier windy/rainy days in OTAs where Jones was commended for throwing tight spirals and nice passes through the wind.

Traina is just butt hurt because they didn't follow her advice and go D in the draft. She thought Eli was fine and wanted him to continue to play. Forgive me if I don't go jumping off a cliff over her opinion, particularly where it is rebuffed by nearly every other media member out there, including national writers who have watched Jones in OTAs and minicamp.
That is odd concerning the wind  
BSIMatt : 6/14/2019 12:15 am : link
As that specific topic was discussed on Giants live and the hosts brought it up specifically and they praised his play in windy conditions(in practice, they were candid enough to cite the fact he had a poor performance during the regular season in similar windy conditions...which could have been wind related or not)

Regarding the wind, I’m assuming this is relevant to some discussion of arm strength. I’m happy about the good reports on Jones but I kind of cringe a bit when the beat writers start doing evals on arm strength or how much air should or shouldn’t be on a pass. They might be right, they might be wrong I’m just not sure their qualifications on making those kind of statements. Chalk one up to the jury’s still out on Daniels arm strength, we are going to see for ourselves soon enough.
RE: RE: Sung to the tune  
joeinpa : 6/14/2019 5:34 am : link
In comment 14471718 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14471567 BlueLou'sBack said:


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Jump on that train
High on his name,
Daniel Jones you better watch your speed!

If you listen carefully, you'll hear that the enthusiasm "is relative to what was expected from the rookie QB" and "a pleasant surprise."

Well at least in Big Blue Land. much of the consternation about DJ's selection at 6 overall is abating, and that's a good thing.

Listen carefully, and you'll also hear that his long passes "have too much air underneath them" and he performed poorly when he had to throw in a stiff wind - even though he was throwing mostly short and mid range passes with the wind, not into it. His throws sailed. It was a day when the winds whipped up to 25 mph, hardly unusual in the Meadowlands area, and well short of the 35-40 mph gusts that kick up in December.

The above notes paraphrased from Patti Traina.



I'll go by what I've seen, and all the highlights show him throwing a pretty deep ball. The rest of the beat writers have said he has greater than expected arm strength. There were also earlier windy/rainy days in OTAs where Jones was commended for throwing tight spirals and nice passes through the wind.

Traina is just butt hurt because they didn't follow her advice and go D in the draft. She thought Eli was fine and wanted him to continue to play. Forgive me if I don't go jumping off a cliff over her opinion, particularly where it is rebuffed by nearly every other media member out there, including national writers who have watched Jones in OTAs and minicamp.


Even though who wanted Eli extended should understand the taking of a quarterback at 6. With a quarterback closing in on 40, it would have been ridiculous to pass on a quarterback with a top 6 pick two years in a row.

Eli is going to get the chance to keep Jones in the bench. The one thing that is different is extended bad play by the offense will lead to a change at quarterback, and it should.
RE: Sung to the tune  
Breaker : 6/14/2019 5:52 am : link
In comment 14471567 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Jump on that train
High on his name,
Daniel Jones you better watch your speed!

If you listen carefully, you'll hear that the enthusiasm "is relative to what was expected from the rookie QB" and "a pleasant surprise."

Well at least in Big Blue Land. much of the consternation about DJ's selection at 6 overall is abating, and that's a good thing.

Listen carefully, and you'll also hear that his long passes "have too much air underneath them" and he performed poorly when he had to throw in a stiff wind - even though he was throwing mostly short and mid range passes with the wind, not into it. His throws sailed. It was a day when the winds whipped up to 25 mph, hardly unusual in the Meadowlands area, and well short of the 35-40 mph gusts that kick up in December.

The above notes paraphrased from Patti Traina.


Thanks Jerry! Blast from the past.
Sounds encouraging  
UberAlias : 6/14/2019 6:22 am : link
Can’t wait to see him in camp.
Those  
joeinpa : 6/14/2019 6:47 am : link
Auto correct.
RE: This is Chris Mortensen from yesterday  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/14/2019 7:17 am : link
In comment 14471558 Jay on the Island said:
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Mortensen said that the skeptics that criticized the Giants for taking Jones at 6 are now saying that he is the "real deal" after watching him in practice. Link - ( New Window )

The rest of the video was brutal. Like watching a bunch of drunks talk sports in a bar. Strong opinions unmoored by logic.
RE: RE: People say OTAs don't matter  
gmenatlarge : 6/14/2019 7:21 am : link
In comment 14471607 Brown_Hornet said:
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and maybe they don't.

But, if given the option of hearing the current reports vs. those coming out of Miami or D.C., I'll take the former any day.


Practice matters!

"People," don't know dick.


So I guess you're not "people"...While the reports are encouraging I'll wait to see him do it with a chance of actually getting hit.
RE: RE: RE: People say OTAs don't matter  
Brown_Hornet : 6/14/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14471782 gmenatlarge said:
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and maybe they don't.

But, if given the option of hearing the current reports vs. those coming out of Miami or D.C., I'll take the former any day.


Practice matters!

"People," don't know dick.



So I guess you're not "people"...While the reports are encouraging I'll wait to see him do it with a chance of actually getting hit.

Correct!

Context matters.
;)
RE: RE: RE: People say OTAs don't matter  
flycatcher : 6/14/2019 7:56 am : link
In comment 14471782 gmenatlarge said:
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and maybe they don't.

But, if given the option of hearing the current reports vs. those coming out of Miami or D.C., I'll take the former any day.


Practice matters!

"People," don't know dick.



So I guess you're not "people"...While the reports are encouraging I'll wait to see him do it with a chance of actually getting hit.

Can’t be worse than the pressure he regularly dealt with at Duke.
How does anybody even read  
Big Rick in FL : 6/14/2019 8:22 am : link
What Patti has to say? She's the 2nd biggest Eli homer out there only behind Dottino. Which is fine as a fan, but as a reporter you need to at least be objective. She isn't at all. All reporters have praised DJ heavily so far. Patti will come up with some BS like she wrote above. IMO she's as bad as Leonard & Lombardo.
this is nice to hear  
MM_in_NYC : 6/14/2019 8:29 am : link
despite not forgetting that our secondary blows
RE: this is nice to hear  
Big Rick in FL : 6/14/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14471828 MM_in_NYC said:
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despite not forgetting that our secondary blows


You think it blows this year, because it did last year? How do you possibly have any idea about this year?

Judging this year's secondary off of last year is really dumb.

We upgraded a ton of DBs. We added Peppers, Baker, Love, Beal, Ballantine & Bethea.
I would view the secondary as the strength of the defense  
BSIMatt : 6/14/2019 9:10 am : link
right now.
I would love to see  
ZoneXDOA : 6/14/2019 9:10 am : link
Pat Traina and Nate Burleson have a discussion about Eli!
RE: I would love to see  
Big Rick in FL : 6/14/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14471856 ZoneXDOA said:
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Pat Traina and Nate Burleson have a discussion about Eli!


Oh God! Don't even put that out there lol

Eli is better than Burleson thinks, but is worse than Patti thinks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: People say OTAs don't matter  
gmenatlarge : 6/14/2019 9:43 am : link
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and maybe they don't.

But, if given the option of hearing the current reports vs. those coming out of Miami or D.C., I'll take the former any day.


Practice matters!

"People," don't know dick.



So I guess you're not "people"...While the reports are encouraging I'll wait to see him do it with a chance of actually getting hit.


Can’t be worse than the pressure he regularly dealt with at Duke.


I'm guessing you're joking, comparing being the Duke QB to that of an NFL team...in New York???
Didn't like the pick but  
Metnut : 6/14/2019 9:47 am : link
glad to see that he's looking good in workouts. Can't wait to see him live in action in the preseason.
Again, I am happy he looks good in shorts and a t-shirt  
PatersonPlank : 6/14/2019 10:29 am : link
but I am reserving judgement until I see him in a live game, at live speed,, with a pass rush bearing down on him.

I remember people raving about how Sinorice Moss looked in OTA too.
You guys taking about Daniel Jones? I know Daniel Jones!  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/14/2019 10:44 am : link
I once saw him scissor kick Angela Landsbury.
lets remember this one  
mattlawson : 6/14/2019 10:47 am : link
just for arguments sake
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: People say OTAs don't matter  
Brown_Hornet : 6/14/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14471895 gmenatlarge said:
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Can’t be worse than the pressure he regularly dealt with at Duke.



I'm guessing you're joking, comparing being the Duke QB to that of an NFL team...in New York???

That's not what he did. You said that you haven't seen DJ play when he can be hit, he pointed out that DJ has done so for some time.

I'll add, with a piss poor receiving corps and a porous OLine.
RE: RE: this is nice to hear  
MM_in_NYC : 6/14/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14471837 Big Rick in FL said:
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despite not forgetting that our secondary blows



You think it blows this year, because it did last year? How do you possibly have any idea about this year?

Judging this year's secondary off of last year is really dumb.

We upgraded a ton of DBs. We added Peppers, Baker, Love, Beal, Ballantine & Bethea.


Let's be clear, do you think our secondary this year will be good? Please tell me more.
RE: I would view the secondary as the strength of the defense  
MM_in_NYC : 6/14/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14471855 BSIMatt said:
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right now.


Which says everything about our defense this year and nothing about the actual strength of our secondary relative to capable NFL team's. But yet you may indeed be right.
RE: lets remember this one  
Canton : 6/14/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14471990 mattlawson said:
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just for arguments sake Link - ( New Window )


This post alone..

Should be archived.
RE: RE: this is nice to hear  
Giantz_comeback : 6/14/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14471837 Big Rick in FL said:
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despite not forgetting that our secondary blows



You think it blows this year, because it did last year? How do you possibly have any idea about this year?

Judging this year's secondary off of last year is really dumb.

We upgraded a ton of DBs. We added Peppers, Baker, Love, Beal, Ballantine & Bethea.


Exactly. A lot of youth there but once they gel it should be a huge upgrade.
Sounds like he's looking  
mittenedman : 6/14/2019 11:23 am : link
like Aaron Rodgers so far.
What is kind of funny  
DavidinBMNY : 6/14/2019 11:24 am : link
Is how all of those "Draft Experts" and "TV Personalities" that were killing that pick have found their mute button on this subject.

Trust me, they can't wait for Jones to implode, but you have to think his play and the reviews coming out have forced them to shut their pie holes and I for one am enjoying the piece and quiet.

Go Giants
RE: What is kind of funny  
mittenedman : 6/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14472043 DavidinBMNY said:
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Is how all of those "Draft Experts" and "TV Personalities" that were killing that pick have found their mute button on this subject.

Trust me, they can't wait for Jones to implode, but you have to think his play and the reviews coming out have forced them to shut their pie holes and I for one am enjoying the piece and quiet.

Go Giants


David - how about the guy here (bw in dc) who made a million posts on how Jones wasn't special and had a rag arm. Haven't seen him around lately.

As I said a few times then, anyone who actually watched Jones play and didn't think he had a good arm has no credibility. And the ball looks to be exploding out of his hand at practice, with accuracy and a quick release.

And oh yeah, he's 6'5" with great mobility and toughness.

And oh yeah, he can read a D and has NFL footwork already.

Sure, nothing to see here. I will never forgive the football world for their reaction to Jones, both before & after the pick. Nobody has any clue anymore. It's all bling & shiny objects.
I will never forgive the football world...  
Jimmy Googs : 6/14/2019 11:38 am : link
kind of overly dramatic, no?
RE: RE: I would view the secondary as the strength of the defense  
BSIMatt : 6/14/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14472015 MM_in_NYC said:
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right now.



Which says everything about our defense this year and nothing about the actual strength of our secondary relative to capable NFL team's. But yet you may indeed be right.


I would rather have our secondary over any other in the NFC East. Is that better?
RE: RE: RE: I would view the secondary as the strength of the defense  
MM_in_NYC : 6/14/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14472131 BSIMatt said:
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right now.



Which says everything about our defense this year and nothing about the actual strength of our secondary relative to capable NFL team's. But yet you may indeed be right.



I would rather have our secondary over any other in the NFC East. Is that better?


I think Dallas and Phili clearly have better secondaries this year. Washington's is horrible.
The notion that Pat Traina is an Eli - Homer  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/14/2019 1:23 pm : link
with an agenda (along with Dottino) vs other beats (including Lombardo and Leonard) who are reporting "the truth" is absolute nonsense. IMO the Anti Eli crowd has WAAY more of an agenda than the pro Eli folks.

And for you who think Pat's comments that I referred to above are biased, let me point out that I took them out of the context of her overall praise for Jones including his arm strength and just about every aspect of his play to date... She's clearly "on the Jones train" as well as far as overall evaluation. She is simply more realistic about areas Jones needs to work on.

What makes her comments even more believable are that it re-confirms what's evident on Jones' college tape as well as the highlights throws now posted at Giants.com. Jones does put a ton of air under his deep balls - not necessarily because he has to but because it's his style - and Patti's observations (which obviously I trust since I know she "inherited" Inside Football from the late great Howard Livingston and was trained by Howard to some extent) was that DBs get too much of a chance to recover on those deep routes and break them up more than they should if the ball was "flatter."

This last glowing report - the subject of the thread OP - oh BTW it's not mentioned that it was based on practice INDOORS.

I'm rooting for Jones as much as anyone. He's our guy going forward. But let's not make him to be the next Mahomes or Rodgers because he simply isn't. If his ceiling is Joe Montanna - I hope it is - that's great.
i've loved this pick since Day 1.  
Britt in VA : 6/14/2019 1:30 pm : link
these reports are music to my ears.

I want Eli to have a great season, but it's hard not to be excited by Jones, and the prospect of him shutting a lot of blowhards up.
RE: How does anybody even read  
ColHowPepper : 6/14/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14471819 Big Rick in FL said:
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What Patti has to say? She's the 2nd biggest Eli homer out there only behind Dottino. Which is fine as a fan, but as a reporter you need to at least be objective. She isn't at all. All reporters have praised DJ heavily so far. Patti will come up with some BS like she wrote above. IMO she's as bad as Leonard & Lombardo.
agree; she's also not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer
RE: Eli is going to have it rough, any fumble, interception  
Britt in VA : 6/14/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14471588 gtt350 said:
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and sack will be met with crys for Jones Webb, Lauletta.... Eli will love the road this season


Fixed. Nothing new here.
RE: i've loved this pick since Day 1.  
Mr. Bungle : 6/14/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14472179 Britt in VA said:
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it's hard not to be excited by Jones, and the prospect of him shutting a lot of blowhards up.

You know damned well that the blowhards will never shut up. If they decided they didn't like Jones as a prospect and preferred their own golden boy from the 2018 draft or the 2020 draft (of if they just hate Gettleman and think everything he does is wrong), they will hold it against Jones the rest of his career, even if he wins two Super Bowl MVPs.

Even if Jones becomes a successful starting QB for the Giants, you'll still hear people saying three years from now, "They shouldn't have taken him at #6, since they could have gotten him at #17," as if that would be important at that point. Or they'll exaggerate the weaknesses in Jones' game and minimize his strengths.

They're blowhards. It's what blowhards do.
RE: RE: Eli is going to have it rough, any fumble, interception  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/14/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14472185 Britt in VA said:
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and sack will be met with crys for Jones Webb, Lauletta.... Eli will love the road this season



Fixed. Nothing new here.


What is new is that we have a QB we drafted at 6 and from all accounts looks like a guy that deserves to have a chance.
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UConn4523 : 6/14/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14472156 MM_in_NYC said:
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right now.



Which says everything about our defense this year and nothing about the actual strength of our secondary relative to capable NFL team's. But yet you may indeed be right.



I would rather have our secondary over any other in the NFC East. Is that better?



I think Dallas and Phili clearly have better secondaries this year. Washington's is horrible.


Clearly? I don't think so. Its certainly possible but we just retooled our secondary with several major investments which also include competition for depth. When healthy Jenkins can still be the best CB in the division, we've got a versatile S in Peppers and high ceiling potential from Baker. This doesn't include a "pro-ready" Love and hopefully a healthy Beal.

The Giants have as good a shot as either Dallas or Philly to have the best secondary in the division.
RE: RE: RE: Eli is going to have it rough, any fumble, interception  
Britt in VA : 6/14/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14472195 Zeke's Alibi said:
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and sack will be met with crys for Jones Webb, Lauletta.... Eli will love the road this season



Fixed. Nothing new here.



What is new is that we have a QB we drafted at 6 and from all accounts looks like a guy that deserves to have a chance.


Point is, Manning is used to this by now. Not going to affect him one way or the other.
RE: The notion that Pat Traina is an Eli - Homer  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/14/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14472171 BlueLou'sBack said:
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I'm rooting for Jones as much as anyone. He's our guy going forward. But let's not make him to be the next Mahomes or Rodgers because he simply isn't. If his ceiling is Joe Montanna - I hope it is - that's great.

True. They are all lesser slower propspects.
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flycatcher : 6/14/2019 2:35 pm : link
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and maybe they don't.

But, if given the option of hearing the current reports vs. those coming out of Miami or D.C., I'll take the former any day.


Practice matters!

"People," don't know dick.



So I guess you're not "people"...While the reports are encouraging I'll wait to see him do it with a chance of actually getting hit.


Can’t be worse than the pressure he regularly dealt with at Duke.



I'm guessing you're joking, comparing being the Duke QB to that of an NFL team...in New York???

Not media pressure - I meant, in regards to your “actually getting hit” comment, that DJ has already experienced heavy pass rush pressure due to the mediocre Duke offense.
RE: I'm hoping if Lauetta gets cut...  
NephilimGiants : 6/15/2019 7:04 am : link
In comment 14471555 jnoble said:
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...he gets his #17 back.
So we can go full circle with the latest Duke QB
:-)


17 is a bad luck number
Eli looks good doing kick returns during practice  
NephilimGiants : 6/15/2019 7:08 am : link
Which shows you it means nothing. Lets just hope Jones can get at least 3rd string QB spot
RE: Eli looks good doing kick returns during practice  
Canton : 6/15/2019 7:17 am : link
In comment 14472618 NephilimGiants said:
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Which shows you it means nothing. Lets just hope Jones can get at least 3rd string QB spot


LOL

Just love waking up to stupidity.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would view the secondary as the strength of the defense  
BSIMatt : 6/15/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14472156 MM_in_NYC said:
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Which says everything about our defense this year and nothing about the actual strength of our secondary relative to capable NFL team's. But yet you may indeed be right.



I would rather have our secondary over any other in the NFC East. Is that better?



I think Dallas and Phili clearly have better secondaries this year. Washington's is horrible.


I dont think Dallas has a better secondary at all. There too 3 corners are fine, but I’d put the Giants right with them and think they have better depth by a mile. I think Giants safeties are clearly better than Cowboys. Philly is tougher to gauge for me because of Sydney Jones, I like Jenkins but if we are picking safeties tandems is still prefer Beathea/Peppers and I think our corners can be pretty close and have better depth as well. My guess is your preference for Dallas/Philly it’s baed on Giants adding many first year players...talent wise I don’t think they take a backseat to anyone in the division, wouldn’t trade our group for any other in NFC east.
RE: RE: i've loved this pick since Day 1.  
djm : 6/15/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14472192 Mr. Bungle said:
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it's hard not to be excited by Jones, and the prospect of him shutting a lot of blowhards up.


You know damned well that the blowhards will never shut up. If they decided they didn't like Jones as a prospect and preferred their own golden boy from the 2018 draft or the 2020 draft (of if they just hate Gettleman and think everything he does is wrong), they will hold it against Jones the rest of his career, even if he wins two Super Bowl MVPs.

Even if Jones becomes a successful starting QB for the Giants, you'll still hear people saying three years from now, "They shouldn't have taken him at #6, since they could have gotten him at #17," as if that would be important at that point. Or they'll exaggerate the weaknesses in Jones' game and minimize his strengths.

They're blowhards. It's what blowhards do.


Sadly you’re exactly right. Much like Eli’s career has been over scrutinized so will Daniel’s. I laugh at some of the fans that insist the media coverage with the giants is the same as other teams. Not even close. You telling me if the bengals took Jones the pick gets that much heat? Especially if people “knew” the giants wanted him at 17?

Giants always get more heat. Every team in this town does.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I would view the secondary as the strength of the defense  
MM_in_NYC : 6/17/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14473020 BSIMatt said:
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I would rather have our secondary over any other in the NFC East. Is that better?



I think Dallas and Phili clearly have better secondaries this year. Washington's is horrible.



I dont think Dallas has a better secondary at all. There too 3 corners are fine, but I’d put the Giants right with them and think they have better depth by a mile. I think Giants safeties are clearly better than Cowboys. Philly is tougher to gauge for me because of Sydney Jones, I like Jenkins but if we are picking safeties tandems is still prefer Beathea/Peppers and I think our corners can be pretty close and have better depth as well. My guess is your preference for Dallas/Philly it’s baed on Giants adding many first year players...talent wise I don’t think they take a backseat to anyone in the division, wouldn’t trade our group for any other in NFC east.


As you concede, Dallas's corners are better at each spot, and their FS was considered a breakout player last year. They win on that easily. Agreed that Heath sucks. Philly has better corners (right now) and safeties are more established as well - they win on that easily. We have nice young players at the moment it's possible we only have one corner who has played an NFL down in our top 4.
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