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NFT: Knicks should still go out and sign Kevin Durant

ELI THE GOAT : 6/13/2019 9:57 pm
and let him rehab in NYC next year. Let KD's comeback story happen in New York...

Im 32. This team has been a joke for my entire life. Sign him and let him rehab. Keep a max spot open
for FA 2020. Draft RJ and let the young guys develop next year.

Whats your opinion?
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RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
TommyWiseau : 6/14/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:
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according to Shams


Good
RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
Jan in DC : 6/14/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:
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according to Shams


Might as well at this point.
RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
Enzo : 6/14/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:
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according to Shams

weird example of a guy that did better financially by going undrafted.
RE: RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14472221 Jan in DC said:
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In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:


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according to Shams



Might as well at this point.


it effects nothing regarding free agency
For those who don’t want to sign Durant  
GMEN46 : 6/14/2019 2:51 pm : link
Then you would have to wait until 2021 free agency to hope to get some stars because 2020 is awful besides Anthony Davis.
Klay's  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 2:59 pm : link
dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.
RE: Klay's  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14472258 DanMetroMan said:
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dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.


Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.
LANCE THOMAS Update:  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/14/2019 3:21 pm : link
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.

The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.

But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
RE: RE: Klay's  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14472259 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14472258 DanMetroMan said:


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dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.



Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.


berman reading into them telling each other they have unfinished business
I agree with the poster who wrote that  
GiantsUA : 6/14/2019 3:32 pm : link
Boogie Cousins and Kyrie would be more of the same for the Knicks, some nice moments but no deep playoff runs.
Just listened to Simmons & he'd be floored if KD return to GS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2019 3:46 pm : link
Apparently Jay Williams was on ESPN the other day & lit into the Dubs for how they handled the injury situation/misdiagnosed it. Why does that matter? Jay is close with KD & has been on KD's 'The Boardroom'.
Man imagine signing KD and Klay, drafting Barrett and us and Mavs  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/14/2019 3:50 pm : link
sucking in 2020 year. We could potentially be awesome for years.
I hate to say it  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 3:53 pm : link
but nothing with Durant really matters much anymore.

I wouldn't sign him, but even if they do it will be the most underwhelming acquisition of a superstar for any of the teams I root for.

A max contract for a guy who won't be able to play in year one, and who will be 31-32 years old before he steps back on the court with a surgically repaired achilles tendon.

Listening to the doctor from HSS with Francesa yesterday totally convinced me to just stay away.

I'm actually sad as a Knicks fan. I think if Durant didn't get hurt we were looking at either:

Durant and Davis or Kemba, Durant and Barrett.

Now they should just keep tabs on Kawhi and Russell and move forward with the longer rebuild.

The good news is all is not lost unless the Knicks get fucking stupid with money.
RE: LANCE THOMAS Update:  
Anakim : 6/14/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14472276 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.

The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.

But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.




HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
RE: RE: LANCE THOMAS Update:  
Anakim : 6/14/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14472296 Anakim said:
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In comment 14472276 LawrenceTaylor56 said:


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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.

The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.

But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.






HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!



Annnnnnnd I just read the next paragraph
Lance Thomas mentor and all around good guy.  
GiantsUA : 6/14/2019 4:18 pm : link
That and 2.53 cents will get you a cup of coffee.
Lance thomas actually could be a good asset  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 4:19 pm : link
if traded before june 30th
RE: I agree with the poster who wrote that  
Stu11 : 6/14/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14472281 GiantsUA said:
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Boogie Cousins and Kyrie would be more of the same for the Knicks, some nice moments but no deep playoff runs.

You guys are suffering from battered Knicks fan syndrome. When have we ever had 2 players of that caliber, the 3rd overall pick in the draft along with 3 players on our roster who've been top 10 picks the past 3 seasons not to mention Mitch, and multiple #1 picks 2 of the next 4 seasons??? Signing those 2 would not be the end of the road for the next 5 years. Not by a long shot.
Awfully quiet around the anthony davis market  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 4:51 pm : link
..
Guy  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 4:54 pm : link
I know who writes NBA articles says he's heard the Celtics are the internal favorites for Davis.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 5:07 pm : link
updated cap situation
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Guy  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14472349 DanMetroMan said:
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I know who writes NBA articles says he's heard the Celtics are the internal favorites for Davis.


This would be positive as there would most likely be chance to get him next year.

If it’s LA I don’t see any possibility he doesn’t stay there.
Crazy knicks odds to win the championship  
GMEN46 : 6/14/2019 5:21 pm : link
Were 16-1 a few weeks ago and I just read that ceasers now has them at 2,200 - 1.
MY BAD  
GMEN46 : 6/14/2019 5:28 pm : link
They are 22-1
RE: RE: I agree with the poster who wrote that  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/14/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14472333 Stu11 said:
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In comment 14472281 GiantsUA said:


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Boogie Cousins and Kyrie would be more of the same for the Knicks, some nice moments but no deep playoff runs.


You guys are suffering from battered Knicks fan syndrome. When have we ever had 2 players of that caliber, the 3rd overall pick in the draft along with 3 players on our roster who've been top 10 picks the past 3 seasons not to mention Mitch, and multiple #1 picks 2 of the next 4 seasons??? Signing those 2 would not be the end of the road for the next 5 years. Not by a long shot.


Boogie cousins is damaged goods now, but even when he was at his best isnt the kind of player that leads a team anywhere. Neither is Kyrie.
Cousins is a head case  
Enzo : 6/14/2019 5:46 pm : link
Might be even more talented then Davis, but you can't rely on him. No way I pay that guy huge money. Kyrie has his issues but if he's your #2 guy I think he can be managed. But if he's your lead guy...good luck.
Boogie Cousins was a malcontent when he was in SAC  
GiantsUA : 6/14/2019 5:49 pm : link
Kyrie's basketball body is on the back 9 so to speak
RE: No way in hell  
JustaDiscussion : 6/14/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14471945 TommyWiseau said:
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would I take on John Wall's contract, not even for 5 first round picks.


If the Knicks were offered 5 first round picks to take Wall I personally would say yes immediately. I'd actually consider it for 2 first round picks if they could get one of them unprotected. If the Knicks are going to be lucky in the draft they need as many opportunities as possible. Also, even though he hasn't been great, when Wall comes back he still might be the best PG the Knicks have had since... I can't think of a good Knicks PG.

As I mentioned before, I'm with the group who would not want to offer KD a 4 year max contract. It's been said that he'll still be tall and will still be able to shoot, but how many others have said that a tall frame is more prone to foot and leg injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if KD is always tweaking this or hurting that after he come back.

I agree that the Knicks should only be targeting Kawhi and Russell at this point. The Boogie talk seems ridiculous to me long term, but if nobody offers him the max, I wouldn't mind if the Knicks gave him a max 1 year deal. Then throw a ton of money at someone like Redick for 1 year to open up the floor for the rookies. After that I bet it would be easy to reach the cap floor. I have reverted back to my hopes that the Knicks play the long game. Quick fixes haven't worked for 20 years.
according to begely  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 9:54 pm : link
Nets expected to let russell walk if they sign irving, the second that happens if i am the knicks i am calling him...

I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..

Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson

maybe bring back vonleh as well
RE: according to begely  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14472565 nygiants16 said:
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Nets expected to let russell walk if they sign irving, the second that happens if i am the knicks i am calling him...

I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..

Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson

maybe bring back vonleh as well


Given the circumstances, Russell and Barrett would be a productive little offseason, with still more cap space and all of our picks/Dallas picks.

RE: according to begely  
Mike in NJ : 6/14/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14472565 nygiants16 said:
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Nets expected to let russell walk if they sign irving, the second that happens if i am the knicks i am calling him...

I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..

Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson

maybe bring back vonleh as well


Agreed. The Knicks better be all over Russell if Brooklyn is going to let him go, and I like Randle as well. He’s underrated and would probably come at a pretty reasonable price.
Plus Russell's max is only 23 million  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 10:47 pm : link
knicks would have 46 million left to fillnout roster
RE: according to begely  
bigbluehoya : 6/14/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14472565 nygiants16 said:
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Nets expected to let russell walk if they sign irving, the second that happens if i am the knicks i am calling him...

I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..

Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson

maybe bring back vonleh as well


I actually like this. It isn’t winning a damn thing next season, but it’s not a bad table setting at all, going into 2020 with 3 first rounders and a fist full of money.

Would also be very fun to watch that group grow/struggle night in and night out.

What do you think randle costs to sign?
The irving to nets thing still doesnt make sense  
nygiants16 : 6/15/2019 7:56 am : link
It just doesnt seem like a nets move, current regime..This seems like an old nets move...

Say they get kyrie and do not get KD, they get Butler or Harris, yes they are good but are they a championship contender? jist doesnt make sense
overthinking it  
hitdog42 : 6/15/2019 8:08 am : link
if they dont get irving they resign dlo. The only reason they can get a guy like irving is because of the new nets regime... system, culture, performance team, handling of players behind the scenes.
the new regime is also player development within a system. the nets think Levert can be an All Star player, same with Jaret Allen. So if they believe that, and pair them with Irving and a Tobias or something... its within the vision of the team. you are just swapping Irving for Dlo... 1 making more but both making a lot... one being a for sure All NBA guy, the other an all star.
the old nets and the new nets literally have zero in common.
like this years nets team  
hitdog42 : 6/15/2019 8:12 am : link
with Dlo playing bad in the playoffs, was beating the sixers in several games. the sixers took the raptors to 7 games. the raptors won the title.
insert Kyrie for Dlo... insert Tobias or Jimmy for Kurucs... insert player development on levert and Allen....its not a reach to say that team can compete with anyone.... yes a lot of assumptions... but in the end with tobias and kyrie you would still have one of the youngest starting lineups for playoff teams in the NBA.
Hitdog i get what yiu are saying  
nygiants16 : 6/15/2019 8:20 am : link
but it is not just simply swapping irving for russell, and then play the same style, your style will completely change with irving. Go ask Brad Stevens if they played the way they wanted to play.

Signing irving you immediately go to iso ball..
I will go back and forth 10 more times BUT  
nygiants16 : 6/15/2019 8:31 am : link
If the Nets really are signing irving, i am offering Russell a contract at 601, you can build a really nice young team with a all the cap space the Knicks have
usage rate and system  
hitdog42 : 6/15/2019 8:31 am : link
Nets run pick and roll up top all day. Dlo was like top 5-6 in the NBA in usage (well ahead of Kyrie) with a much worse TS%. Kyrie in the nets system is using a lot of high pick and roll with a lot of off ball movement. And then its playing off ball with Levert or Dinwiddie handling.
It is not like Dlo is some PG who is not overdribbling himself.
So Irving actually does fit the system they ran last year.
RE: I will go back and forth 10 more times BUT  
hitdog42 : 6/15/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14472634 nygiants16 said:
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If the Nets really are signing irving, i am offering Russell a contract at 601, you can build a really nice young team with a all the cap space the Knicks have


makes sense to me and he likes/fits the NY vibe. and he can play off ball if you draft a point/forward type like barrett-
RE: usage rate and system  
nygiants16 : 6/15/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14472635 hitdog42 said:
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Nets run pick and roll up top all day. Dlo was like top 5-6 in the NBA in usage (well ahead of Kyrie) with a much worse TS%. Kyrie in the nets system is using a lot of high pick and roll with a lot of off ball movement. And then its playing off ball with Levert or Dinwiddie handling.
It is not like Dlo is some PG who is not overdribbling himself.
So Irving actually does fit the system they ran last year.


you know a lot more about the nets than me so if you think it makes sense no reason for me to question
Knicks don't have the luxury of Durant.  
FStubbs : 6/15/2019 10:02 am : link
They've seen this show before. They know how it ends up. He comes back for 2020-2021 a shell of himself and then the Knicks are stuck with a bad guaranteed max contract that makes them losers for a few more years.

Building around young players is the right move, and one they've never been patient with.
I’d hate to let DLo walk for nothing and I’ll believe it when I see it  
Eric on Li : 6/15/2019 10:16 am : link
I see no reason to not at minimum give him and Kyrie a year to see if they can play together. I’d sooner resign DLo than any other FA (other than Leonard) with Kyrie and then just sign a stop gap PF with the remaining cap room. Or trade Dinwiddie for a lotto pick if someone like Clarke falls.
RE: overthinking it  
djm : 6/15/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14472627 hitdog42 said:
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if they dont get irving they resign dlo. The only reason they can get a guy like irving is because of the new nets regime... system, culture, performance team, handling of players behind the scenes.
the new regime is also player development within a system. the nets think Levert can be an All Star player, same with Jaret Allen. So if they believe that, and pair them with Irving and a Tobias or something... its within the vision of the team. you are just swapping Irving for Dlo... 1 making more but both making a lot... one being a for sure All NBA guy, the other an all star.
the old nets and the new nets literally have zero in common.


Literally?

God I hate what that word has morphed into. What happened to the word literally? Seriously... why?
RE: RE: overthinking it  
81_Great_Dane : 6/16/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14472825 djm said:
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Literally?

God I hate what that word has morphed into. What happened to the word literally? Seriously... why?
"Literally" has become a contronym — a word that means itself and its opposite. There are others: dust -- to take remove dust, or to sprinkle dust over. Cleave -- to separate, or to adhere closely.

I hate that.

My even bigger pet peeve is "disinterested." It is not the same as "uninterested." Disinterested means impartial, neutral, as in "having no stake/interest in the outcome." You want the judge in your lawsuit to be disinterested. You don't want him to be uninterested. It's a very useful word. But because people get them confused all the time, "disinterested" is losing its meaning. And that's a damn shame.
RE: I will go back and forth 10 more times BUT  
Heisenberg : 6/17/2019 7:42 am : link
In comment 14472634 nygiants16 said:
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If the Nets really are signing irving, i am offering Russell a contract at 601, you can build a really nice young team with a all the cap space the Knicks have


I agree with this.
If you sign  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2019 8:00 am : link
Russell and Randle, trade smith and frank you could get close to have money to add a max, whether it is this free agency or roll it over..
is this appealling?  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2019 8:04 am : link
russell/vet point
Barrett/trier
Harris/knox
randle/vet big
Robinson/vet center

obviously the hope would be russell and barrett grow into a dynamic back court and robinson continues to grow into being an anchor defensively..

Team is young enough with a ton of room to grow
I'm hoping that they pass on Durant and Klay - fool's gold for reasons  
Ira : 6/17/2019 8:29 am : link
already explained in this thread. There are other free agents that they can be difference makers. They should look for younger two way players. We're not a player or two away from being a competitor, but we can add young players to build around.
I would be wary of Russell  
Greg from LI : 6/17/2019 8:59 am : link
Guy who was a draft bust has one good year.....not sure that's a player I want to give a huge contract to.
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