and let him rehab in NYC next year. Let KD's comeback story happen in New York...
Im 32. This team has been a joke for my entire life. Sign him and let him rehab. Keep a max spot open
for FA 2020. Draft RJ and let the young guys develop next year.
Whats your opinion?
Signing KD also keeps the knicks from wasting the money ona multi year contract for someone that is not worth it.
Draft Barrett, keep the picks, draft more good young players, use the cap space on guys who can actually, you know, play basketball. Or take back some bad expiring contracts to get yet more draft capital.
Exactly. And please dont say sign Klay and Kawhi... good luck with that. Lets also stop with the young core and use the cap space for picks. The Knicks young players need to make leaps and bounds and any pick Received for a bad contract will be a late 1st.
Ill happily sign up for getting a top 15 player of all time ages 32-34- regardless of the injury. Knicks fans are nuts.
I'm in mourning. I have no clue what they should do.
It's a helluva lot of money for a 30something guy coming off a really difficult injury to predict the rehab.
KD should stick the Warriors with the bill by opting in on his player option year. Reboot the whole thing when he's healthy for the following season.
What the Knicks could/should do? /shrug
Do what Evan Roberts has been suggesting: use it as a weapon. Take on bad contracts in return for unprotected draft picks. The worst thing to do is sign guys like Tobias Harris, Kemba, Middleton, Jimmy Butler to max deals.
The short term fix option should have gone up in flames the instant KD ruptured his Achilles.
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Him then what is your plan for the cap space?
Do what Evan Roberts has been suggesting: use it as a weapon. Take on bad contracts in return for unprotected draft picks. The worst thing to do is sign guys like Tobias Harris, Kemba, Middleton, Jimmy Butler to max deals.
The short term fix option should have gone up in flames the instant KD ruptured his Achilles.
Agreed, go all out for Leonard which is highly unlikely. When he passes draft Barrett at 3 and then develop the kids while trying to acquire unprotected picks.
I'm in mourning. I have no clue what they should do.
It's a helluva lot of money for a 30something guy coming off a really difficult injury to predict the rehab.
KD should stick the Warriors with the bill by opting in on his player option year. Reboot the whole thing when he's healthy for the following season.
What the Knicks could/should do? /shrug
Yes itnis dolans fault he blew out his achilles..
Durant opting in would be the dumbest thing he could ever do..
You go into next year with a healthy durant and another max slot, if you dont fill it this offseason
Durant's a mid-level guy now?
The whole taking on contract thing isnt going to get you unprotected 1st rounders anymore and teams that are willing to trade 1st rounders are most likely making a run for it so those picks are in the 20s. Its just not worth taking on a 2 or 3 year bad contract.
Signing Durant is a no brainer. It leads to one more year of development and a probable lottery pick. You go into 2020 free agency with healthy Durant with 3 years left in the deal. Maybe its only 85 percent of the old Durant but that is still awesome. Year 3 of Knox and Mitch and year 2 of Barrett. Another lottery pick, $40 million in cap space because cap goes up. Also you have a shot at Anthony Davis. You will also have 2 first rounders in 2021 that could be used in a package at that point if you want to fill out the roster with another star.
The first guy ain't comin' and the other two seem to have fucked up their legs. Go figure. Not that Thompson was leaving the Warriors anyway.
He is also clearly outnof shape
Anyone who still wants to sign KD ought to listen. Its not good.
He basically said these injuries are a bad sign for Durant moving forward and any contract better be short term or have insurance, but then again, you cant really have a short term contract when you cant even play in year one.
He was also talking about how precise the surgeon needs to be. If the tendon is repaired too tight, it can tear again. Not tight enough and youll have no get off in that step. Very difficult to come back unchanged by this.
I love Durant but I would pass.
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Steve Kerr said Klay Thompson told him on his way off the court: "Just a two minute rest and I'll be ready." Next thing Kerr heard Klay was done for the night, crutching out of the arena.
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I thought the "And..." was a continuation of the Durant point. I'm with you there. No mediocre FAs please.
...with Nets after agent switch.
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He's young, he flashed last year. And if you're committed to keeping RJ, and using these draft picks to build from the ground up, he would fit the rebuild.
And save the Knicks from themselves.
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If a team as well run as the Warriors are willing to offer him the max that should show the Knicks exactly what they should do.
He's young, he flashed last year. And if you're committed to keeping RJ, and using these draft picks to build from the ground up, he would fit the rebuild.
The plans have really changed but I agree with this.
The best Knicks plan right now is to draft RJ and continue to build from the ground up.
Their FA interest should be Kawhi only (a total pipe dream anyway) and Russell if the Nets make him available. Either of those guys would fit nicely in the plan.
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this is not a surprise, they were always going to offer him the max
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If a team as well run as the Warriors are willing to offer him the max that should show the Knicks exactly what they should do.
Maybe if the Knicks could get the rest of the Warriors to leave GSW and join NYK. Otherwise the decision is not the same at all. Even when KD was healthy, it only made sense to sign him at age 31 as part of a plan to win now.
And, apart from that, I think there are evident reasons GSW had to do this, even if they are aware the cold calculation and evidence of history are that the next KD contract could very well turn out to be an albatross.
He's 30 in February, KD is 31 in September.
Wall in DC comes to mind.
My plan would be to sign Durant and sign Kemba if you can. If you can't get Kemba and it sounds like hes staying in CHA, roll the cap space over into next summer and hope Davis wants to make a move.
As for Davis, I could see a surprise team trade for him now. There are many teams out there that can beat the Lakers offer...
He needs to work on his jumper, if he can get a consistent jumper he would be deadly offensively, he can turn the corner on anyone. He has really good vision and is an underrated passer..
Anything is possible but I don't see it with DSJ (and I wanted him pre-draft).
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He's special and a lot younger than KD.
He's 30 in February, KD is 31 in September.
Didn't realize that, Dan. Nonetheless, an ACL is easier to come back from than an achilles, so I'd still think Thompson would be a better risk. I'd take both of them on a two-fer, though.
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can Dennis Smith Jr turn it on in year 3? Could he have a D'angelo Russell like trajectory?
Anything is possible but I don't see it with DSJ (and I wanted him pre-draft).
Same. I was one of his biggest fans on BBI, but he just isn't panning out.
If Windhorst's speculation is correct that GS does offer KD a supermax, I think he'd be absolutely nuts not to take it. If I'm KD, that injury changes my mindset -- going to be a savior and do it myself somewhere else is no longer a priority. Collecting the maximum amount of $ and doing as much winning as I can, alpha dog or not, is now the MO. Just my opinion.
After those two players, using space to get more assets would be my next preferred course of action. (Not saying I'd take Wall specifically...that contract is simply too much for too long).
- The best player in the world decides to sign with them mainly because they are in LA.
- They have a disastrous year yet jump all the way up to #4 in the lottery.
- Despite firing their coach, their president resigning, and reports rampant how poorly run they and how bad their culture is, the premier player on the trade market only wants to go there.
Once they get Anthony Davis, they may very well be the favorites next year due to the Durant and Klay injuries.
Meanwhile the Knicks cannot catch a break.
- Never moved up in the lottery once since 1985.
- Have the lottery odds change the year they are by far the worst team and end up with the 3rd pick in a 2 player draft.
- Finally are the favorites to land a true franchise superstar and the guy ruptures his Achilles in game 5 of the finals.
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that they'll be motivated to move?
Wall in DC comes to mind.
You're joking right? I wouldn't take that contract for any amount of picks.
"If his shot comes around, if his feel improves, if he starts defending, if he improves his finishing around the rim, improves efficiency, and if he starts passing moresure, but the odds are very heavily against him. He will have to be an outlier in multiple categories to overtake what Zion can / will be. Defense can be improved, shooting (at least catch and shoot) can improve, passing can improvebut off-dribble jumpers are immensely important to reach that "next level" for guards in the NBA, and I don't think his form translates well to that. Though the added space could help his finishing a little bit, his average touch and vertical pop/burst hurt him here; this means his efficiency likely stays around league average, unless he starts getting to the FT line at a very high rate (or his 3-point shot really comes around). Basically, there is a route, but it includes him improving heavily in multiple areas and Zion staying stagnant."
NBA scout
"Williamson and Barrett have consensus on their side, Barrett is definitely a higher risk but also maybe higher reward than Williamson. Zion is rare and unorthodox but still very "what you see is what you get" with the added upside of a likely improved shot. Given that 19-year -olds usually fill out, Williamson either needs to be extremely careful with his weight or the probable alternative is that he has physically peaked - a damn good peak but again "what you see is what you get." Barrett has room to grow. He needs a lot of things to go right for him but if they do, it's possible he could be a better pro. His shot isn't broken. The foundation is there and it doesn't worry me too much. It should improve. What worries me is his shot selection and finishing. He makes some really poor choices when he drives and usually gets in trouble. His best attribute is his vision on the perimeter. At 6'7, if he can clean up his decision making in traffic, improve his shot and then add in his already excellent passing and vision, you're looking at a very dangerous combo guard. That sounds like a lot to happen but with the added space and the way the game is called, it is not as far-fetched as it may sound. Personally, at 3, he is a bit risky for me and too much has to happen in the right situation. Given the market value of Barrett and the 3 pick, if there's no one else they love, I would look at moving down or packaging it (never exciting in a big market city but sometimes the right thing). If Duke really had 3 top 10 picks and yet had so many close games, either a couple of them are a little overrated in a mediocre draft class or there are some hard questions to be answered at Duke. I'm inclined to think it's the former."
Scout
"I think that is very possible. RJ is a beast. Zion is just so polarizing. He's definitely a talented player. But I think a lot of the hype has a lot to do with the time we live in. The question to ask yourself is, 'Would Vince Carter be getting this type of hype is he was coming into the league now? Or any dynamic dunker/athlete like Zion? RJ's shot really came along throughout the year last year. Zion has a bit of a slow setup on his perimeter shot. That's my only concern with him really. But Barrett is no doubt a franchise player."
Due diligence in case the unexpected happens.
Kuzma will be included. It's a dog and pony show. They put out they love Kuzma, Lakers finally acquiesce and'reluctantly' agree to include him. And it looks like the Lakers had to really stretch out to meet the Pels demands.
Meanwhile we likely get KD. Who else is the big question.
Lol Barrett is a heck of a prospect. He will be the highest upside guy on the team the moment his name is called next Thursday.
Uh huh....no one said he's awful. What I said is that he's not going to be a franchise player, that his game has significant hole despite his prowess as a volume scorer.
And gee, where have I heard this before? "His shot isn't broken. The foundation is there and it doesn't worry me too much. It should improve.".....exact same stuff people kept telling us about Shumpert and Frenchie, neither of whom ever developed a reliable jump shot (yeah, Frenchie still could, but anyone want to take that bet?).
Dukes team was pretty bad apart from Zion and Barrett
Never understood why the Knicks didnt do this. Putting aside the ownership deal, why wouldnt Dolan offer him 15-20 mill a year? Its a drop in the bucket for MSG and doesnt effect the cap...
Okay, and when Zion was 29-3 as the lead dog, he had Barrett helping him out. Wow Duke wonj a higher % of games with both Zion and RJ on the court then they did with just one on the court!!!! Who would have thought?!?
These NBA playoff games have been eye-opening. The league's best teams have a big guard/wing in Barrett's mold who is asked to carry a huge amount of playmaking responsibility, both in the half-court and in the open floor. Having more size on the floor gives you clear advantages defensively with the amount of switching every team does. It also leads to numerous cross-matching situations in which the opposing team is forced to decide between giving up a good look early in the clock -- death in today's NBA game -- or having the wrong defender matched up with a team's best player, which is often just as bad.
Barrett is ideally suited for that big wing role with his ability to bust out in transition and make reads out of pick-and-rolls, as he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. According to P3 sports science data from last year, Barrett tested very well relative to NBA athletes in acceleration and posted elite deceleration metrics, on par with James Harden.
He's a freight train once he gets downhill. He brings elite body control, and he's as aggressive as they come seeking out contact in the paint. He's going to continue to improve his pull-up jumper as his career moves along due to his outstanding work ethic, as he has already made huge strides in that area over the past few years. Combine that with his court vision, scoring instincts, competitiveness and the fact that he still hasn't turned 19 years old, and you have everything you look for in a modern NBA prospect.
Mike, like you pointed out, this Duke team was poorly constructed, which made it much easier for opposing defenses to pack the paint and force Barrett to navigate tight spaces while not possessing elite shooting ability himself. He's going to look much better with the ball in his hands surrounded by NBA shooters, especially as his feel for how to play to his strengths evolves into his 20s.
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I woiodnt be surprised to hear an AD trade soon, but i dont think you will hear about any signings
it's all gonna be speculation until free agency officially opens. Some guys usually sign right away. Some guys take meetings.
I'm curious which group Ron Baker will fall into this year...
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Might as well at this point.
weird example of a guy that did better financially by going undrafted.
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Might as well at this point.
it effects nothing regarding free agency
Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.
The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.
But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
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dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.
Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.
berman reading into them telling each other they have unfinished business
I wouldn't sign him, but even if they do it will be the most underwhelming acquisition of a superstar for any of the teams I root for.
A max contract for a guy who won't be able to play in year one, and who will be 31-32 years old before he steps back on the court with a surgically repaired achilles tendon.
Listening to the doctor from HSS with Francesa yesterday totally convinced me to just stay away.
I'm actually sad as a Knicks fan. I think if Durant didn't get hurt we were looking at either:
Durant and Davis or Kemba, Durant and Barrett.
Now they should just keep tabs on Kawhi and Russell and move forward with the longer rebuild.
The good news is all is not lost unless the Knicks get fucking stupid with money.
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The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.
But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.
The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.
But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
Annnnnnnd I just read the next paragraph
You guys are suffering from battered Knicks fan syndrome. When have we ever had 2 players of that caliber, the 3rd overall pick in the draft along with 3 players on our roster who've been top 10 picks the past 3 seasons not to mention Mitch, and multiple #1 picks 2 of the next 4 seasons??? Signing those 2 would not be the end of the road for the next 5 years. Not by a long shot.
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This would be positive as there would most likely be chance to get him next year.
If its LA I dont see any possibility he doesnt stay there.
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Boogie Cousins and Kyrie would be more of the same for the Knicks, some nice moments but no deep playoff runs.
You guys are suffering from battered Knicks fan syndrome. When have we ever had 2 players of that caliber, the 3rd overall pick in the draft along with 3 players on our roster who've been top 10 picks the past 3 seasons not to mention Mitch, and multiple #1 picks 2 of the next 4 seasons??? Signing those 2 would not be the end of the road for the next 5 years. Not by a long shot.
Boogie cousins is damaged goods now, but even when he was at his best isnt the kind of player that leads a team anywhere. Neither is Kyrie.
If the Knicks were offered 5 first round picks to take Wall I personally would say yes immediately. I'd actually consider it for 2 first round picks if they could get one of them unprotected. If the Knicks are going to be lucky in the draft they need as many opportunities as possible. Also, even though he hasn't been great, when Wall comes back he still might be the best PG the Knicks have had since... I can't think of a good Knicks PG.
As I mentioned before, I'm with the group who would not want to offer KD a 4 year max contract. It's been said that he'll still be tall and will still be able to shoot, but how many others have said that a tall frame is more prone to foot and leg injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if KD is always tweaking this or hurting that after he come back.
I agree that the Knicks should only be targeting Kawhi and Russell at this point. The Boogie talk seems ridiculous to me long term, but if nobody offers him the max, I wouldn't mind if the Knicks gave him a max 1 year deal. Then throw a ton of money at someone like Redick for 1 year to open up the floor for the rookies. After that I bet it would be easy to reach the cap floor. I have reverted back to my hopes that the Knicks play the long game. Quick fixes haven't worked for 20 years.
I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..
Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson
maybe bring back vonleh as well
I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..
Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson
maybe bring back vonleh as well
Given the circumstances, Russell and Barrett would be a productive little offseason, with still more cap space and all of our picks/Dallas picks.
I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..
Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson
maybe bring back vonleh as well
Agreed. The Knicks better be all over Russell if Brooklyn is going to let him go, and I like Randle as well. Hes underrated and would probably come at a pretty reasonable price.
I am also calling julius randle and building a nice young squad..
Russell/smith jr
Barrett/trier
Knox
Randle
Robinson
maybe bring back vonleh as well
I actually like this. It isnt winning a damn thing next season, but its not a bad table setting at all, going into 2020 with 3 first rounders and a fist full of money.
Would also be very fun to watch that group grow/struggle night in and night out.
What do you think randle costs to sign?
Say they get kyrie and do not get KD, they get Butler or Harris, yes they are good but are they a championship contender? jist doesnt make sense
the new regime is also player development within a system. the nets think Levert can be an All Star player, same with Jaret Allen. So if they believe that, and pair them with Irving and a Tobias or something... its within the vision of the team. you are just swapping Irving for Dlo... 1 making more but both making a lot... one being a for sure All NBA guy, the other an all star.
the old nets and the new nets literally have zero in common.
insert Kyrie for Dlo... insert Tobias or Jimmy for Kurucs... insert player development on levert and Allen....its not a reach to say that team can compete with anyone.... yes a lot of assumptions... but in the end with tobias and kyrie you would still have one of the youngest starting lineups for playoff teams in the NBA.
Signing irving you immediately go to iso ball..
It is not like Dlo is some PG who is not overdribbling himself.
So Irving actually does fit the system they ran last year.
makes sense to me and he likes/fits the NY vibe. and he can play off ball if you draft a point/forward type like barrett-
It is not like Dlo is some PG who is not overdribbling himself.
So Irving actually does fit the system they ran last year.
you know a lot more about the nets than me so if you think it makes sense no reason for me to question
Building around young players is the right move, and one they've never been patient with.
the new regime is also player development within a system. the nets think Levert can be an All Star player, same with Jaret Allen. So if they believe that, and pair them with Irving and a Tobias or something... its within the vision of the team. you are just swapping Irving for Dlo... 1 making more but both making a lot... one being a for sure All NBA guy, the other an all star.
the old nets and the new nets literally have zero in common.
Literally?
God I hate what that word has morphed into. What happened to the word literally? Seriously... why?
God I hate what that word has morphed into. What happened to the word literally? Seriously... why?
I hate that.
My even bigger pet peeve is "disinterested." It is not the same as "uninterested." Disinterested means impartial, neutral, as in "having no stake/interest in the outcome." You want the judge in your lawsuit to be disinterested. You don't want him to be uninterested. It's a very useful word. But because people get them confused all the time, "disinterested" is losing its meaning. And that's a damn shame.
I agree with this.
Barrett/trier
Harris/knox
randle/vet big
Robinson/vet center
obviously the hope would be russell and barrett grow into a dynamic back court and robinson continues to grow into being an anchor defensively..
Team is young enough with a ton of room to grow