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NFT: Knicks should still go out and sign Kevin Durant

ELI THE GOAT : 6/13/2019 9:57 pm
and let him rehab in NYC next year. Let KD's comeback story happen in New York...

Im 32. This team has been a joke for my entire life. Sign him and let him rehab. Keep a max spot open
for FA 2020. Draft RJ and let the young guys develop next year.

Whats your opinion?
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RE: The question is  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14471922 TommyWiseau said:
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can Dennis Smith Jr turn it on in year 3? Could he have a D'angelo Russell like trajectory?


Anything is possible but I don't see it with DSJ (and I wanted him pre-draft).
RE: RE: I'd happily offer Thompson a max deal, even after the ACL.  
yatqb : 6/14/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14471910 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14471897 yatqb said:


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He's special and a lot younger than KD.


He's 30 in February, KD is 31 in September.


Didn't realize that, Dan. Nonetheless, an ACL is easier to come back from than an achilles, so I'd still think Thompson would be a better risk. I'd take both of them on a two-fer, though.
RE: RE: The question is  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14471930 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14471922 TommyWiseau said:


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can Dennis Smith Jr turn it on in year 3? Could he have a D'angelo Russell like trajectory?



Anything is possible but I don't see it with DSJ (and I wanted him pre-draft).


Same. I was one of his biggest fans on BBI, but he just isn't panning out.
my comment was mostly  
bigbluehoya : 6/14/2019 10:15 am : link
tongue-in-cheek, with the pessimistic assumption that NYK fail to land Durant or Kawhi.

If Windhorst's speculation is correct that GS does offer KD a supermax, I think he'd be absolutely nuts not to take it. If I'm KD, that injury changes my mindset -- going to be a savior and do it myself somewhere else is no longer a priority. Collecting the maximum amount of $ and doing as much winning as I can, alpha dog or not, is now the MO. Just my opinion.

After those two players, using space to get more assets would be my next preferred course of action. (Not saying I'd take Wall specifically...that contract is simply too much for too long).
Lakers Luck  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 10:18 am : link
Is there a more charmed franchise in sports? They have a heavily protected pick that they never had to give up because they got the 2nd pick 3 years in a row.
- The best player in the world decides to sign with them mainly because they are in LA.
- They have a disastrous year yet jump all the way up to #4 in the lottery.
- Despite firing their coach, their president resigning, and reports rampant how poorly run they and how bad their culture is, the premier player on the trade market only wants to go there.

Once they get Anthony Davis, they may very well be the favorites next year due to the Durant and Klay injuries.

Meanwhile the Knicks cannot catch a break.
- Never moved up in the lottery once since 1985.
- Have the lottery odds change the year they are by far the worst team and end up with the 3rd pick in a 2 player draft.
- Finally are the favorites to land a true franchise superstar and the guy ruptures his Achilles in game 5 of the finals.
No way in hell  
TommyWiseau : 6/14/2019 10:18 am : link
would I take on John Wall's contract, not even for 5 first round picks.
The reality is the only way the Knicks  
Dave on the UWS : 6/14/2019 10:18 am : link
get better is through drafting: get lucky and develop players. Have to hope guys like Knox and Barrett will become stars. It’s likely the only way they are getting any.
RE: RE: so which teams have bad contracts  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14471912 The_Boss said:
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that they'll be motivated to move?



Wall in DC comes to mind.


You're joking right? I wouldn't take that contract for any amount of picks.
Odds  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 10:36 am : link
Lakers are now title favorites in Vegas. Unbelievable...
When the Lakers inevitably get Anthony Davis  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 10:39 am : link
for a piece of shit trade package, it will really piss me off.

Barrett vs. Zion via Begley  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 10:42 am : link
NBA scout
"If his shot comes around, if his feel improves, if he starts defending, if he improves his finishing around the rim, improves efficiency, and if he starts passing more…sure, but the odds are very heavily against him. He will have to be an outlier in multiple categories to overtake what Zion can / will be. Defense can be improved, shooting (at least catch and shoot) can improve, passing can improve…but off-dribble jumpers are immensely important to reach that "next level" for guards in the NBA, and I don't think his form translates well to that. Though the added space could help his finishing a little bit, his average touch and vertical pop/burst hurt him here; this means his efficiency likely stays around league average, unless he starts getting to the FT line at a very high rate (or his 3-point shot really comes around). Basically, there is a route, but it includes him improving heavily in multiple areas and Zion staying stagnant."

NBA scout
"Williamson and Barrett have consensus on their side, Barrett is definitely a higher risk but also maybe higher reward than Williamson. Zion is rare and unorthodox but still very "what you see is what you get" with the added upside of a likely improved shot. Given that 19-year -olds usually fill out, Williamson either needs to be extremely careful with his weight or the probable alternative is that he has physically peaked - a damn good peak but again "what you see is what you get." Barrett has room to grow. He needs a lot of things to go right for him but if they do, it's possible he could be a better pro. His shot isn't broken. The foundation is there and it doesn't worry me too much. It should improve. What worries me is his shot selection and finishing. He makes some really poor choices when he drives and usually gets in trouble. His best attribute is his vision on the perimeter. At 6'7, if he can clean up his decision making in traffic, improve his shot and then add in his already excellent passing and vision, you're looking at a very dangerous combo guard. That sounds like a lot to happen but with the added space and the way the game is called, it is not as far-fetched as it may sound. Personally, at 3, he is a bit risky for me and too much has to happen in the right situation. Given the market value of Barrett and the 3 pick, if there's no one else they love, I would look at moving down or packaging it (never exciting in a big market city but sometimes the right thing). If Duke really had 3 top 10 picks and yet had so many close games, either a couple of them are a little overrated in a mediocre draft class or there are some hard questions to be answered at Duke. I'm inclined to think it's the former."

Scout
"I think that is very possible. RJ is a beast. Zion is just so polarizing. He's definitely a talented player. But I think a lot of the hype has a lot to do with the time we live in. The question to ask yourself is, 'Would Vince Carter be getting this type of hype is he was coming into the league now? Or any dynamic dunker/athlete like Zion? RJ's shot really came along throughout the year last year. Zion has a bit of a slow setup on his perimeter shot. That's my only concern with him really. But Barrett is no doubt a franchise player."
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 10:43 am : link
meeting with Morant today
RE: Knicks  
Giantz_comeback : 6/14/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14471983 DanMetroMan said:
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meeting with Morant today


Due diligence in case the unexpected happens.
what do those guys know..  
Italianju : 6/14/2019 10:46 am : link
i read right here that Barrett is an awful basketball player
RE: When the Lakers inevitably get Anthony Davis  
Giantz_comeback : 6/14/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14471975 Chris684 said:
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for a piece of shit trade package, it will really piss me off.


Kuzma will be included. It's a dog and pony show. They put out they love Kuzma, Lakers finally acquiesce and'reluctantly' agree to include him. And it looks like the Lakers had to really stretch out to meet the Pels demands.

Meanwhile we likely get KD. Who else is the big question.
RE: what do those guys know..  
Giantz_comeback : 6/14/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14471988 Italianju said:
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i read right here that Barrett is an awful basketball player


Lol Barrett is a heck of a prospect. He will be the highest upside guy on the team the moment his name is called next Thursday.
RE: what do those guys know..  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14471988 Italianju said:
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i read right here that Barrett is an awful basketball player


Uh huh....no one said he's awful. What I said is that he's not going to be a franchise player, that his game has significant hole despite his prowess as a volume scorer.

And gee, where have I heard this before? "His shot isn't broken. The foundation is there and it doesn't worry me too much. It should improve.".....exact same stuff people kept telling us about Shumpert and Frenchie, neither of whom ever developed a reliable jump shot (yeah, Frenchie still could, but anyone want to take that bet?).

Maybe  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 10:53 am : link
it's the leftiness but Barrett reminds me of a poor man's Harden
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 10:58 am : link
reporting the Wizards will offer Masai Ujiri 10 million per year and an ownership stake.
I'll mention this again  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2019 11:00 am : link
With Zion in the lineup, Duke was 29-3. Without him, with Barrett as the lead dog, they were 3-3, and they struggled like hell to beat a terrible Wake team at home for one of those wins.
RE: I'll mention this again  
Giantz_comeback : 6/14/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14472016 Greg from LI said:
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With Zion in the lineup, Duke was 29-3. Without him, with Barrett as the lead dog, they were 3-3, and they struggled like hell to beat a terrible Wake team at home for one of those wins.


Dukes team was pretty bad apart from Zion and Barrett
I know! Poor Duke  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2019 11:28 am : link
They were down to six or seven McD All Americans when Zion was out! Hard times to be sure.
RE: Woj  
TyreeHelmet : 6/14/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14472012 DanMetroMan said:
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reporting the Wizards will offer Masai Ujiri 10 million per year and an ownership stake.


Never understood why the Knicks didn’t do this. Putting aside the ownership deal, why wouldn’t Dolan offer him 15-20 mill a year? It’s a drop in the bucket for MSG and doesn’t effect the cap...
RE: I'll mention this again  
TommyWiseau : 6/14/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14472016 Greg from LI said:
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With Zion in the lineup, Duke was 29-3. Without him, with Barrett as the lead dog, they were 3-3, and they struggled like hell to beat a terrible Wake team at home for one of those wins.


Okay, and when Zion was 29-3 as the lead dog, he had Barrett helping him out. Wow Duke wonj a higher % of games with both Zion and RJ on the court then they did with just one on the court!!!! Who would have thought?!?
How long before we start hearing  
GMEN46 : 6/14/2019 11:34 am : link
More concrete rumors? When can teams start talking to agents and players officially? I guess I am wondering how soon before we start getting some Woj bombs
Givony has Barrett > Morant fwiw  
Strahan91 : 6/14/2019 11:35 am : link
here's what he said:

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I'm a little surprised by how quickly everyone seems to have settled on the fact that Barrett is clearly an inferior prospect to Morant -- a statement you widely hear among NBA folks. It's not something I actually agree with, personally. If I were making the pick for Memphis, I would be all over Barrett at No. 2, not just because of his positional fit on the roster alongside Mike Conley (although that helps), but also because of Barrett's overall talent level and modern NBA qualities.

These NBA playoff games have been eye-opening. The league's best teams have a big guard/wing in Barrett's mold who is asked to carry a huge amount of playmaking responsibility, both in the half-court and in the open floor. Having more size on the floor gives you clear advantages defensively with the amount of switching every team does. It also leads to numerous cross-matching situations in which the opposing team is forced to decide between giving up a good look early in the clock -- death in today's NBA game -- or having the wrong defender matched up with a team's best player, which is often just as bad.

Barrett is ideally suited for that big wing role with his ability to bust out in transition and make reads out of pick-and-rolls, as he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. According to P3 sports science data from last year, Barrett tested very well relative to NBA athletes in acceleration and posted elite deceleration metrics, on par with James Harden.

He's a freight train once he gets downhill. He brings elite body control, and he's as aggressive as they come seeking out contact in the paint. He's going to continue to improve his pull-up jumper as his career moves along due to his outstanding work ethic, as he has already made huge strides in that area over the past few years. Combine that with his court vision, scoring instincts, competitiveness and the fact that he still hasn't turned 19 years old, and you have everything you look for in a modern NBA prospect.

Mike, like you pointed out, this Duke team was poorly constructed, which made it much easier for opposing defenses to pack the paint and force Barrett to navigate tight spaces while not possessing elite shooting ability himself. He's going to look much better with the ball in his hands surrounded by NBA shooters, especially as his feel for how to play to his strengths evolves into his 20s.

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RE: How long before we start hearing  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14472057 GMEN46 said:
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More concrete rumors? When can teams start talking to agents and players officially? I guess I am wondering how soon before we start getting some Woj bombs


I woiodnt be surprised to hear an AD trade soon, but i dont think you will hear about any signings
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 11:45 am : link
his fault but the Knicks were one of the worst shooting teams in the NBA so the last line... likely doesn't change his rookie season.
RE: How long before we start hearing  
Enzo : 6/14/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14472057 GMEN46 said:
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More concrete rumors? When can teams start talking to agents and players officially? I guess I am wondering how soon before we start getting some Woj bombs

it's all gonna be speculation until free agency officially opens. Some guys usually sign right away. Some guys take meetings.

I'm curious which group Ron Baker will fall into this year...
Bondy  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 1:20 pm : link
argues against a Durant (only) move
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Knicks exercised Trier's option  
Strahan91 : 6/14/2019 1:38 pm : link
according to Shams
RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
TommyWiseau : 6/14/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:
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according to Shams


Good
RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
Jan in DC : 6/14/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:
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according to Shams


Might as well at this point.
RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
Enzo : 6/14/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14472189 Strahan91 said:
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according to Shams

weird example of a guy that did better financially by going undrafted.
RE: RE: Knicks exercised Trier's option  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14472221 Jan in DC said:
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according to Shams



Might as well at this point.


it effects nothing regarding free agency
For those who don’t want to sign Durant  
GMEN46 : 6/14/2019 2:51 pm : link
Then you would have to wait until 2021 free agency to hope to get some stars because 2020 is awful besides Anthony Davis.
Klay's  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 2:59 pm : link
dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.
RE: Klay's  
DanMetroMan : 6/14/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14472258 DanMetroMan said:
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dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.


Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.
LANCE THOMAS Update:  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/14/2019 3:21 pm : link
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.

The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.

But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
RE: RE: Klay's  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14472259 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14472258 DanMetroMan said:


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dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.



Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.


berman reading into them telling each other they have unfinished business
I agree with the poster who wrote that  
GiantsUA : 6/14/2019 3:32 pm : link
Boogie Cousins and Kyrie would be more of the same for the Knicks, some nice moments but no deep playoff runs.
Just listened to Simmons & he'd be floored if KD return to GS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/14/2019 3:46 pm : link
Apparently Jay Williams was on ESPN the other day & lit into the Dubs for how they handled the injury situation/misdiagnosed it. Why does that matter? Jay is close with KD & has been on KD's 'The Boardroom'.
Man imagine signing KD and Klay, drafting Barrett and us and Mavs  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/14/2019 3:50 pm : link
sucking in 2020 year. We could potentially be awesome for years.
I hate to say it  
Chris684 : 6/14/2019 3:53 pm : link
but nothing with Durant really matters much anymore.

I wouldn't sign him, but even if they do it will be the most underwhelming acquisition of a superstar for any of the teams I root for.

A max contract for a guy who won't be able to play in year one, and who will be 31-32 years old before he steps back on the court with a surgically repaired achilles tendon.

Listening to the doctor from HSS with Francesa yesterday totally convinced me to just stay away.

I'm actually sad as a Knicks fan. I think if Durant didn't get hurt we were looking at either:

Durant and Davis or Kemba, Durant and Barrett.

Now they should just keep tabs on Kawhi and Russell and move forward with the longer rebuild.

The good news is all is not lost unless the Knicks get fucking stupid with money.
RE: LANCE THOMAS Update:  
Anakim : 6/14/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14472276 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.

The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.

But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.




HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
RE: RE: LANCE THOMAS Update:  
Anakim : 6/14/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14472296 Anakim said:
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.

The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.

But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.






HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!



Annnnnnnd I just read the next paragraph
Lance Thomas mentor and all around good guy.  
GiantsUA : 6/14/2019 4:18 pm : link
That and 2.53 cents will get you a cup of coffee.
Lance thomas actually could be a good asset  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 4:19 pm : link
if traded before june 30th
RE: I agree with the poster who wrote that  
Stu11 : 6/14/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14472281 GiantsUA said:
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Boogie Cousins and Kyrie would be more of the same for the Knicks, some nice moments but no deep playoff runs.

You guys are suffering from battered Knicks fan syndrome. When have we ever had 2 players of that caliber, the 3rd overall pick in the draft along with 3 players on our roster who've been top 10 picks the past 3 seasons not to mention Mitch, and multiple #1 picks 2 of the next 4 seasons??? Signing those 2 would not be the end of the road for the next 5 years. Not by a long shot.
Awfully quiet around the anthony davis market  
nygiants16 : 6/14/2019 4:51 pm : link
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