and let him rehab in NYC next year. Let KD's comeback story happen in New York...
Im 32. This team has been a joke for my entire life. Sign him and let him rehab. Keep a max spot open
for FA 2020. Draft RJ and let the young guys develop next year.
Whats your opinion?
Anything is possible but I don't see it with DSJ (and I wanted him pre-draft).
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He's special and a lot younger than KD.
He's 30 in February, KD is 31 in September.
Didn't realize that, Dan. Nonetheless, an ACL is easier to come back from than an achilles, so I'd still think Thompson would be a better risk. I'd take both of them on a two-fer, though.
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can Dennis Smith Jr turn it on in year 3? Could he have a D'angelo Russell like trajectory?
Anything is possible but I don't see it with DSJ (and I wanted him pre-draft).
Same. I was one of his biggest fans on BBI, but he just isn't panning out.
If Windhorst's speculation is correct that GS does offer KD a supermax, I think he'd be absolutely nuts not to take it. If I'm KD, that injury changes my mindset -- going to be a savior and do it myself somewhere else is no longer a priority. Collecting the maximum amount of $ and doing as much winning as I can, alpha dog or not, is now the MO. Just my opinion.
After those two players, using space to get more assets would be my next preferred course of action. (Not saying I'd take Wall specifically...that contract is simply too much for too long).
- The best player in the world decides to sign with them mainly because they are in LA.
- They have a disastrous year yet jump all the way up to #4 in the lottery.
- Despite firing their coach, their president resigning, and reports rampant how poorly run they and how bad their culture is, the premier player on the trade market only wants to go there.
Once they get Anthony Davis, they may very well be the favorites next year due to the Durant and Klay injuries.
Meanwhile the Knicks cannot catch a break.
- Never moved up in the lottery once since 1985.
- Have the lottery odds change the year they are by far the worst team and end up with the 3rd pick in a 2 player draft.
- Finally are the favorites to land a true franchise superstar and the guy ruptures his Achilles in game 5 of the finals.
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that they'll be motivated to move?
Wall in DC comes to mind.
You're joking right? I wouldn't take that contract for any amount of picks.
"If his shot comes around, if his feel improves, if he starts defending, if he improves his finishing around the rim, improves efficiency, and if he starts passing more…sure, but the odds are very heavily against him. He will have to be an outlier in multiple categories to overtake what Zion can / will be. Defense can be improved, shooting (at least catch and shoot) can improve, passing can improve…but off-dribble jumpers are immensely important to reach that "next level" for guards in the NBA, and I don't think his form translates well to that. Though the added space could help his finishing a little bit, his average touch and vertical pop/burst hurt him here; this means his efficiency likely stays around league average, unless he starts getting to the FT line at a very high rate (or his 3-point shot really comes around). Basically, there is a route, but it includes him improving heavily in multiple areas and Zion staying stagnant."
NBA scout
"Williamson and Barrett have consensus on their side, Barrett is definitely a higher risk but also maybe higher reward than Williamson. Zion is rare and unorthodox but still very "what you see is what you get" with the added upside of a likely improved shot. Given that 19-year -olds usually fill out, Williamson either needs to be extremely careful with his weight or the probable alternative is that he has physically peaked - a damn good peak but again "what you see is what you get." Barrett has room to grow. He needs a lot of things to go right for him but if they do, it's possible he could be a better pro. His shot isn't broken. The foundation is there and it doesn't worry me too much. It should improve. What worries me is his shot selection and finishing. He makes some really poor choices when he drives and usually gets in trouble. His best attribute is his vision on the perimeter. At 6'7, if he can clean up his decision making in traffic, improve his shot and then add in his already excellent passing and vision, you're looking at a very dangerous combo guard. That sounds like a lot to happen but with the added space and the way the game is called, it is not as far-fetched as it may sound. Personally, at 3, he is a bit risky for me and too much has to happen in the right situation. Given the market value of Barrett and the 3 pick, if there's no one else they love, I would look at moving down or packaging it (never exciting in a big market city but sometimes the right thing). If Duke really had 3 top 10 picks and yet had so many close games, either a couple of them are a little overrated in a mediocre draft class or there are some hard questions to be answered at Duke. I'm inclined to think it's the former."
Scout
"I think that is very possible. RJ is a beast. Zion is just so polarizing. He's definitely a talented player. But I think a lot of the hype has a lot to do with the time we live in. The question to ask yourself is, 'Would Vince Carter be getting this type of hype is he was coming into the league now? Or any dynamic dunker/athlete like Zion? RJ's shot really came along throughout the year last year. Zion has a bit of a slow setup on his perimeter shot. That's my only concern with him really. But Barrett is no doubt a franchise player."
Due diligence in case the unexpected happens.
Kuzma will be included. It's a dog and pony show. They put out they love Kuzma, Lakers finally acquiesce and'reluctantly' agree to include him. And it looks like the Lakers had to really stretch out to meet the Pels demands.
Meanwhile we likely get KD. Who else is the big question.
Lol Barrett is a heck of a prospect. He will be the highest upside guy on the team the moment his name is called next Thursday.
Uh huh....no one said he's awful. What I said is that he's not going to be a franchise player, that his game has significant hole despite his prowess as a volume scorer.
And gee, where have I heard this before? "His shot isn't broken. The foundation is there and it doesn't worry me too much. It should improve.".....exact same stuff people kept telling us about Shumpert and Frenchie, neither of whom ever developed a reliable jump shot (yeah, Frenchie still could, but anyone want to take that bet?).
Dukes team was pretty bad apart from Zion and Barrett
Never understood why the Knicks didn’t do this. Putting aside the ownership deal, why wouldn’t Dolan offer him 15-20 mill a year? It’s a drop in the bucket for MSG and doesn’t effect the cap...
Okay, and when Zion was 29-3 as the lead dog, he had Barrett helping him out. Wow Duke wonj a higher % of games with both Zion and RJ on the court then they did with just one on the court!!!! Who would have thought?!?
These NBA playoff games have been eye-opening. The league's best teams have a big guard/wing in Barrett's mold who is asked to carry a huge amount of playmaking responsibility, both in the half-court and in the open floor. Having more size on the floor gives you clear advantages defensively with the amount of switching every team does. It also leads to numerous cross-matching situations in which the opposing team is forced to decide between giving up a good look early in the clock -- death in today's NBA game -- or having the wrong defender matched up with a team's best player, which is often just as bad.
Barrett is ideally suited for that big wing role with his ability to bust out in transition and make reads out of pick-and-rolls, as he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. According to P3 sports science data from last year, Barrett tested very well relative to NBA athletes in acceleration and posted elite deceleration metrics, on par with James Harden.
He's a freight train once he gets downhill. He brings elite body control, and he's as aggressive as they come seeking out contact in the paint. He's going to continue to improve his pull-up jumper as his career moves along due to his outstanding work ethic, as he has already made huge strides in that area over the past few years. Combine that with his court vision, scoring instincts, competitiveness and the fact that he still hasn't turned 19 years old, and you have everything you look for in a modern NBA prospect.
Mike, like you pointed out, this Duke team was poorly constructed, which made it much easier for opposing defenses to pack the paint and force Barrett to navigate tight spaces while not possessing elite shooting ability himself. He's going to look much better with the ball in his hands surrounded by NBA shooters, especially as his feel for how to play to his strengths evolves into his 20s.
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I woiodnt be surprised to hear an AD trade soon, but i dont think you will hear about any signings
it's all gonna be speculation until free agency officially opens. Some guys usually sign right away. Some guys take meetings.
I'm curious which group Ron Baker will fall into this year...
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Might as well at this point.
weird example of a guy that did better financially by going undrafted.
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according to Shams
Might as well at this point.
it effects nothing regarding free agency
Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.
The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.
But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
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dad says he's staying with GS and Durant has hinting he might be as well.
Strike the Durant part, misleading headline from Berman.
berman reading into them telling each other they have unfinished business
I wouldn't sign him, but even if they do it will be the most underwhelming acquisition of a superstar for any of the teams I root for.
A max contract for a guy who won't be able to play in year one, and who will be 31-32 years old before he steps back on the court with a surgically repaired achilles tendon.
Listening to the doctor from HSS with Francesa yesterday totally convinced me to just stay away.
I'm actually sad as a Knicks fan. I think if Durant didn't get hurt we were looking at either:
Durant and Davis or Kemba, Durant and Barrett.
Now they should just keep tabs on Kawhi and Russell and move forward with the longer rebuild.
The good news is all is not lost unless the Knicks get fucking stupid with money.
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.
The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.
But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
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The Knicks have a few other team options to decide on and also have until June 30 to decide on guaranteeing $1 million of veteran leader Lance Thomas' $7.6 million salary.
The Knicks currently plan to waive Thomas ahead of the guarantee date, per SNY sources.
But the club has interest in bringing the veteran back as a free agent, sources say. Thomas' leadership and professionalism is held in high regard in the organization and he is respected for his mentorship to younger players.
HOLIDAY! CELEBRATE!
Annnnnnnd I just read the next paragraph
You guys are suffering from battered Knicks fan syndrome. When have we ever had 2 players of that caliber, the 3rd overall pick in the draft along with 3 players on our roster who've been top 10 picks the past 3 seasons not to mention Mitch, and multiple #1 picks 2 of the next 4 seasons??? Signing those 2 would not be the end of the road for the next 5 years. Not by a long shot.