When Florio is not around. I don’t know what Florio has against the Giants, he doesn’t hide the fact that he is a Steelers fan, but he’s always taking shots at them.
He then says the guys who dont have as much vested interest in the team said he is one of the best rookies they have ever seen this on this team early on. That is pretty effusive praise. And this is coming from Simms who wasnt a huge fan of his game (Simms has missed alot in evaluation of players by the way lol).
if true it's nothing but good news for the Giants... Â
enthusiastic about their team and their new players. But there's so much good news coming out of our training camp, that I'm having a hard time resisting the urge to get enthusiastic.
I don't know - by the looks of the video, Jones is already shitting Â
enthusiastic about their team and their new players. But there's so much good news coming out of our training camp, that I'm having a hard time resisting the urge to get enthusiastic.
That is true but Eli did not get good reviews at this point in his career.
That is not a criticism of Eli - I am just saying that if he were throwing ducks, we wouldve heard that.
it's obviously never a bad thing to look good in practices, but to some degree that's what's expected of a first round QB. Sure some really good ones struggled early like Eli did, but most guys who get picked rd 1 have appealing traits that lead to exciting glimpses in practice. 1 of Jones' big selling points was his maturity and ability to process information so I don't think it's a shock that he's a quick adjuster, especially in comparison to players who are coming out of college with 1/3 the number of starts he made in college.
He was a very tough evaluation bc of how terrible the duke talent was around him and I think a lot of talking heads are only now catching up to the fact that he has legitimate starting QB talent. Still a lot of hurdles between looking good in shorts and winning NFL games. I'm very excited to see him in preseason.
and practice does matter. OTA's and Mini camp are on the very low end of totem pole of importance.
I forget what offensive lineman said it, but he basically all you should be looking for in these practices is a good team cohesion and groups of players jelling with one another.
There are also players that practice really well, but stink in live action. I'm not saying this is the case with Jones, but it's something to watch in Preseason and or in any game play this year.
especially an EX QB -- value a QB's EXPERIENCE between his ears more than they do? Simms SHOULD know better. Yes, DJ could conceivably "out-physical" Eli in pre-season, and be prepared to play, but he hasn't "seen everything a D will throw at you," or just know the nuances of the game the way Eli has.
That will come, but there should be NOTHING DJ can do to win the starting job early, and he should not see the field during regular season until or unless the team falters.
I'm not sure the QB competition stuff is smoke... it sounds to me like Jones is simply outperforming Manning thus far.
Tiny amount of time and it's not even camp yet, but it may not all be lip service from Shurmur.
I still think it's Eli week 1.... but I'm not sure that's quite set in stone.
Unfortunately, as far as the starting QB goes, the head coach may want it to be more of a competition than those above him in the org...
Yeah, the executive order may come from Mara and make it all a moot point... but it sounds to me like Shurmur is pretty damn impressed by Daniel so far and that it's not just typical "talk up the rook" coach speak.
I'm not totally against Eli starting Week 1, but I need to see a really quick hook. If we start 0-2 or 1-3... something like that, I want to see Jones then and there. Not when the season is already over and done in late November.
If Jones wins the job outright, they really should just cut Manning - but I know that won't happen.
Jones is expected to be "ready to play" in Week 1. I don't particularly care if he's starting Week 1, but the "being ready" by Week 1 is a really, really big deal, I think.
So many times, a QB will be drafted, there will be excitement around him, but coaches and team officials will caution fans and media about how it's going to "take some time" before he's ready to get a shot. It seems like Jones is going to be "ready" from Week 1.
I agree with those who say there's nothing bad here.
Pete Prisco and Mike Tanier(formerly of footballoutsiders) Â
Two national writers with no vestaed interest in Giants propaganda, attended minicamp and came away raving about Jones. Tanier said he had recently taken long looks at Carson Wentz and Lamar Jackson during the same stages of their respective rookie careers and that Daniel Jones looked to be ahead of both of them.
Two national writers with no vestaed interest in Giants propaganda, attended minicamp and came away raving about Jones. Tanier said he had recently taken long looks at Carson Wentz and Lamar Jackson during the same stages of their respective rookie careers and that Daniel Jones looked to be ahead of both of them.
Nice call . Cant wait to see this kid in preseason. He is going to get A LOT of playing time.
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Exactly, obviously DJ has ways to go but hearing all this praise is better than hearing he's struggling. Nothing is promised but the signs are all positive and that is very exciting regardless if they have pads on or not, especially considering who is giving the praise.
I was feeling the same thing. Are the Giants just saying he looks awesome to "spin" the pick? It almost sounds too good to be true sometimes in the reports.
That Simms, a DJ skeptic it is fair to say, checked with reliable sources and they confirmed what we have been hearing. And, it sounds like he is outperformed Manning in the mini-camp and OTA's.
This is very positive. Lets see what happens in camp and in the pre-season. Longshot tat DJ is the starter, but good to know he's on the right track.
Gettleman may have pulled off 2 Home Run drafts in a row. This year is going to be extremely interesting to see this further confirmed or shot down.
The 3 first rounders look very strong at this point. Xman looks like he could have a similar impact to Carter a year ago, and Connelly/Slayton have decent shots to fight for playing time. It's early but it's looking like another very strong draft.
what some are saying about there being a QB competition; at least not for the early season or if the Giants/Eli are doing. I think this year, the starting QB position is Eli's to lose. I am very happy to hear Jones is progressing well, but it a lot to ask a rookie QB right out of the gates, particularly when you already have a great vet QB in front of him. Like Simms said, Jones will have to clearly outperform Eli to start.
If he looked like dogshit, they wouldn't pretend otherwise. Â
It's EARLY in the process, but how can this be anything other than good news?
All that being said, I cannot imagine the scenario under which Eli Manning isn't the starter for some portion of this season. The question for me is does this management group (Owners, GM, HC) have the stones to pull a Kurt Warner on Eli because I seriously doubt it. (No way do they have the stones to pull a Russell Wilson.) Eli is going to have to be subpar AND the team is going to have to be eliminated from playoff contention before Jones starts IMO.
There’s just no way he won’t be...but I think Jones will finish the season as the starter. I think the baton gets passed in season. Obviously there are scenarios where that wouldn’t happen..but I think that’s ultimately how it will play out based on all the information to this point and general expectations for the team in 2019.
I watched that this morning, and found it extremely interesting. I mean yeah it's shorts against air and when it's team on team it's no real coverage but good beats bad every time.
Gettleman may have pulled off 2 Home Run drafts in a row. This year is going to be extremely interesting to see this further confirmed or shot down.
The 3 first rounders look very strong at this point. Xman looks like he could have a similar impact to Carter a year ago, and Connelly/Slayton have decent shots to fight for playing time. It's early but it's looking like another very strong draft.
The guys that are trending as misses from round 5 and up are quite few. In fact only Lauletta. All the other guys have shown varying levels of promise. Still early but preseason should give us a little more data.
RE: If he looked like dogshit, they wouldn't pretend otherwise. Â
It's EARLY in the process, but how can this be anything other than good news?
All that being said, I cannot imagine the scenario under which Eli Manning isn't the starter for some portion of this season. The question for me is does this management group (Owners, GM, HC) have the stones to pull a Kurt Warner on Eli because I seriously doubt it. (No way do they have the stones to pull a Russell Wilson.) Eli is going to have to be subpar AND the team is going to have to be eliminated from playoff contention before Jones starts IMO.
If Eli is going strong no. But if he starts to struggle and Jones is lighting it up in practice absolutely.
I'm not sure the QB competition stuff is smoke... it sounds to me like Jones is simply outperforming Manning thus far.
Tiny amount of time and it's not even camp yet, but it may not all be lip service from Shurmur.
I still think it's Eli week 1.... but I'm not sure that's quite set in stone.
Unfortunately, as far as the starting QB goes, the head coach may want it to be more of a competition than those above him in the org...
Yeah, the executive order may come from Mara and make it all a moot point... but it sounds to me like Shurmur is pretty damn impressed by Daniel so far and that it's not just typical "talk up the rook" coach speak.
I'm not totally against Eli starting Week 1, but I need to see a really quick hook. If we start 0-2 or 1-3... something like that, I want to see Jones then and there. Not when the season is already over and done in late November.
If Jones wins the job outright, they really should just cut Manning - but I know that won't happen.
I wouldn't want to cut Manning even if he's 2 on the depth chart. Jones will learn a lot from having a HOFer instructing him on the sidelines.
especially an EX QB -- value a QB's EXPERIENCE between his ears more than they do? Simms SHOULD know better. Yes, DJ could conceivably "out-physical" Eli in pre-season, and be prepared to play, but he hasn't "seen everything a D will throw at you," or just know the nuances of the game the way Eli has.
That will come, but there should be NOTHING DJ can do to win the starting job early, and he should not see the field during regular season until or unless the team falters.
Nothing? Really? If he outperforms Eli in every respect he should still sit on the bench?
I just want to clarify your position because I'm having difficulty accepting that someone would post something that asinine.
and plays in a game at live speed with a pass rush. Sinorice Moss was a OTA superstar too
Fair point, but QB play is a bit more easy to see issues with like missing wide open targets, running the wrong play, etc. It's easier to screw up as a QB and there is no doubt that after the pre-season , Jones > Eli was at that point of his career and he's done better then every other QB I can recall then drafting from Nassib to Lauletta. At least it isn't a negative!
... but I keep seeing people posting that he is outplaying Eli in OTAs. I have seen plenty of glowing write-ups on how DJ looks and is doing at this stage of his career but I have not seen anyone specifically write that he is "way outplaying" Eli.
This is all great stuff and if it's true it's not a bad thing, but this is OTAs in shorts. Are they important? Absolutely but making some kind of decision on who the starter is/should be based on OTAs is kinda silly. Let's see it play out.
I always want to like Chris Simms obviously because of his Dad Â
but I'm baffled. So what does this tell us about Simms analysis of DJ and maybe others? He apparently just listens to media types to prejudge before the draft. Then tells us what he hears from others supposedly with the team once the player starts practicing. So know matter how DJ turns out his bases are covered. Apparently what's been said that the NFL teams were much higher on Jones than the media was reporting must be true. Now I suppose the Giants could be spinning these positive reports to make themselves look good but I doubt it. If Simms is right he's listening to people he trusts on/with the Giants or have close connections to them maybe even his Dad. So far so good I'm liking what I'm hearing.
Numerous sources outside giantsland that have made their own first hand observations. From his pro day to his private workouts to OTAs/minicamps...Jones seems like he’s on a roll.
is “maybe” DG and Shurmur are pretty good at evaluating players. Jones seems to have a more complete set of skills than I thought. Training camp will be VERY interesting when the bullets start flying. Going on 8/1 to see for myself.
Everyone must have a short term memory, i'm pretty sure last year was the most impressive rookie in Giants history
Uhhh. In preseason I'm pretty sure LT was the most impressive in Giants history. Moved into the starting roll in the 2nd practice on a team that already had good linebackers.
I think one thing to keep in mind here is that this shouldn't be too surprising (although if you're one of those folks who was misled about his arm being weak then I suppose it would be). Jones has great touch, timing, and accuracy - and can drive the ball - he should look great in shorts.
But I really hope they don't rush him into service this year.
Yes. But listen to his comments about "at first, I thought this was propaganda until I checked with some other people...".
I'm not sure the QB competition stuff is smoke... it sounds to me like Jones is simply outperforming Manning thus far.
Tiny amount of time and it's not even camp yet, but it may not all be lip service from Shurmur.
I still think it's Eli week 1.... but I'm not sure that's quite set in stone.
Get more picks and get your guy next year.
/ducks
Drafting good players is this team's return to contention.
That is true but Eli did not get good reviews at this point in his career.
That is not a criticism of Eli - I am just saying that if he were throwing ducks, we wouldve heard that.
He was a very tough evaluation bc of how terrible the duke talent was around him and I think a lot of talking heads are only now catching up to the fact that he has legitimate starting QB talent. Still a lot of hurdles between looking good in shorts and winning NFL games. I'm very excited to see him in preseason.
I'm not sure the QB competition stuff is smoke... it sounds to me like Jones is simply outperforming Manning thus far.
Tiny amount of time and it's not even camp yet, but it may not all be lip service from Shurmur.
I still think it's Eli week 1.... but I'm not sure that's quite set in stone.
Unfortunately, as far as the starting QB goes, the head coach may want it to be more of a competition than those above him in the org...
But this isn't coming from fans or media, it's coming from inside the organization or those with connections to the organization.
Big difference.
I forget what offensive lineman said it, but he basically all you should be looking for in these practices is a good team cohesion and groups of players jelling with one another.
There are also players that practice really well, but stink in live action. I'm not saying this is the case with Jones, but it's something to watch in Preseason and or in any game play this year.
That will come, but there should be NOTHING DJ can do to win the starting job early, and he should not see the field during regular season until or unless the team falters.
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I have it on now - about halfway through.
I'm not sure the QB competition stuff is smoke... it sounds to me like Jones is simply outperforming Manning thus far.
Tiny amount of time and it's not even camp yet, but it may not all be lip service from Shurmur.
I still think it's Eli week 1.... but I'm not sure that's quite set in stone.
Unfortunately, as far as the starting QB goes, the head coach may want it to be more of a competition than those above him in the org...
Yeah, the executive order may come from Mara and make it all a moot point... but it sounds to me like Shurmur is pretty damn impressed by Daniel so far and that it's not just typical "talk up the rook" coach speak.
I'm not totally against Eli starting Week 1, but I need to see a really quick hook. If we start 0-2 or 1-3... something like that, I want to see Jones then and there. Not when the season is already over and done in late November.
If Jones wins the job outright, they really should just cut Manning - but I know that won't happen.
So many times, a QB will be drafted, there will be excitement around him, but coaches and team officials will caution fans and media about how it's going to "take some time" before he's ready to get a shot. It seems like Jones is going to be "ready" from Week 1.
I agree with those who say there's nothing bad here.
Gettleman may have pulled off 2 Home Run drafts in a row. This year is going to be extremely interesting to see this further confirmed or shot down.
Nice call . Cant wait to see this kid in preseason. He is going to get A LOT of playing time.
Exactly, obviously DJ has ways to go but hearing all this praise is better than hearing he's struggling. Nothing is promised but the signs are all positive and that is very exciting regardless if they have pads on or not, especially considering who is giving the praise.
This is my "BBI post of the month".
I was feeling the same thing. Are the Giants just saying he looks awesome to "spin" the pick? It almost sounds too good to be true sometimes in the reports.
That Simms, a DJ skeptic it is fair to say, checked with reliable sources and they confirmed what we have been hearing. And, it sounds like he is outperformed Manning in the mini-camp and OTA's.
This is very positive. Lets see what happens in camp and in the pre-season. Longshot tat DJ is the starter, but good to know he's on the right track.
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He was very critical of the pick too, wasn't he?
Yes. But listen to his comments about "at first, I thought this was propaganda until I checked with some other people...".
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Archie Manning told him to draft this bum!
Gettleman may have pulled off 2 Home Run drafts in a row. This year is going to be extremely interesting to see this further confirmed or shot down.
The 3 first rounders look very strong at this point. Xman looks like he could have a similar impact to Carter a year ago, and Connelly/Slayton have decent shots to fight for playing time. It's early but it's looking like another very strong draft.
All that being said, I cannot imagine the scenario under which Eli Manning isn't the starter for some portion of this season. The question for me is does this management group (Owners, GM, HC) have the stones to pull a Kurt Warner on Eli because I seriously doubt it. (No way do they have the stones to pull a Russell Wilson.) Eli is going to have to be subpar AND the team is going to have to be eliminated from playoff contention before Jones starts IMO.
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Archie Manning told him to draft this bum!
Gettleman may have pulled off 2 Home Run drafts in a row. This year is going to be extremely interesting to see this further confirmed or shot down.
The 3 first rounders look very strong at this point. Xman looks like he could have a similar impact to Carter a year ago, and Connelly/Slayton have decent shots to fight for playing time. It's early but it's looking like another very strong draft.
The guys that are trending as misses from round 5 and up are quite few. In fact only Lauletta. All the other guys have shown varying levels of promise. Still early but preseason should give us a little more data.
All that being said, I cannot imagine the scenario under which Eli Manning isn't the starter for some portion of this season. The question for me is does this management group (Owners, GM, HC) have the stones to pull a Kurt Warner on Eli because I seriously doubt it. (No way do they have the stones to pull a Russell Wilson.) Eli is going to have to be subpar AND the team is going to have to be eliminated from playoff contention before Jones starts IMO.
If Eli is going strong no. But if he starts to struggle and Jones is lighting it up in practice absolutely.
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I have it on now - about halfway through.
I'm not sure the QB competition stuff is smoke... it sounds to me like Jones is simply outperforming Manning thus far.
Tiny amount of time and it's not even camp yet, but it may not all be lip service from Shurmur.
I still think it's Eli week 1.... but I'm not sure that's quite set in stone.
Unfortunately, as far as the starting QB goes, the head coach may want it to be more of a competition than those above him in the org...
Yeah, the executive order may come from Mara and make it all a moot point... but it sounds to me like Shurmur is pretty damn impressed by Daniel so far and that it's not just typical "talk up the rook" coach speak.
I'm not totally against Eli starting Week 1, but I need to see a really quick hook. If we start 0-2 or 1-3... something like that, I want to see Jones then and there. Not when the season is already over and done in late November.
If Jones wins the job outright, they really should just cut Manning - but I know that won't happen.
I wouldn't want to cut Manning even if he's 2 on the depth chart. Jones will learn a lot from having a HOFer instructing him on the sidelines.
That will come, but there should be NOTHING DJ can do to win the starting job early, and he should not see the field during regular season until or unless the team falters.
Nothing? Really? If he outperforms Eli in every respect he should still sit on the bench?
I just want to clarify your position because I'm having difficulty accepting that someone would post something that asinine.
This is all great stuff and if it's true it's not a bad thing, but this is OTAs in shorts. Are they important? Absolutely but making some kind of decision on who the starter is/should be based on OTAs is kinda silly. Let's see it play out.
Uhhh. In preseason I'm pretty sure LT was the most impressive in Giants history. Moved into the starting roll in the 2nd practice on a team that already had good linebackers.
But I really hope they don't rush him into service this year.