The Raptors GM did have his credentials and the security guard was pissed because the Warriors lost, so he took out his frustration on the GM. He knew who he was, the guard was being an asshole to try and make Uriji look bad.
I've read that Ujiri had his credentials, but pretty much just flashed Â
just can't chalk this up as a misunderstanding and let it go? They're going after a misdemeanor? Yawn
Yeh I agree, not a good look, but they'll drop the charge. In their eyes you can't just go around pushing officers because the wronged you, so they'll charge and drop.
When a person whose job it is to enforce the rules enforces them, you have to comply. Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if the guy had a gun or a knife or anyone got hurt by an uncredetentialed person, the security guard/cop who let him through would be excoriated by the public. The whole point of a credential process is to check credentials, not to flash not to whatever. It is for the raptor’s executive safety why he is on the floor and for the protection of the players. It might be a pain and you might want to run on the court in the moment, but I have a hard time saying the guard made an error. In any event, under no circumstances should you ever put your hands on any person—let alone a security guard or a cop.
The Raptors GM did have his credentials and the security guard was pissed because the Warriors lost, so he took out his frustration on the GM. He knew who he was, the guard was being an asshole to try and make Uriji look bad.
at what point can you push and hit a person?
I don't blame Ujiri. The cop wanted him to show his ID. He's the GM! Â
It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
The Raptors GM did have his credentials and the security guard was pissed because the Warriors lost, so he took out his frustration on the GM. He knew who he was, the guard was being an asshole to try and make Uriji look bad.
at what point can you push and hit a person?
At what point do you choose to be a little bitch because your team lost? It’s not like security didn’t know who he was, seeing as he’s at every game home and away during the playoffs and was likely escorted to his skybox by that very same security.
RE: I don't blame Ujiri. The cop wanted him to show his ID. He's the GM! Â
It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
Yeah before the game the cop has to memorize the faces of an entire roster of Raptors and Golden State employees before taking to the court to provide security for the team. Right..
The Raptors GM did have his credentials and the security guard was pissed because the Warriors lost, so he took out his frustration on the GM. He knew who he was, the guard was being an asshole to try and make Uriji look bad.
at what point can you push and hit a person?
At what point do you choose to be a little bitch because your team lost? It’s not like security didn’t know who he was, seeing as he’s at every game home and away during the playoffs and was likely escorted to his skybox by that very same security.
you didn't answer the question. The answer is you shouldn't.
I can't relate, i'm a knicks fan and they never lose.
RE: I don't blame Ujiri. The cop wanted him to show his ID. He's the GM! Â
It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
One of the more brainless takes I've seen in a while. You do know the game was not in Toronto, right?
But every security guard should know what every away team executive looks like to avoid having policies. That is why they have credentials in the first place.
And like with most cases it seems like many people don't have the whole story before determining guilt or innocence and of course it wouldn't be a story in 2019 without accusing someone of being racist.
Seems like in the end the security detail did the right thing, and my guess is this goes away. but hard to find fault based on the USA Today account
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....Ujiri is accused of twice shoving an officer and striking him in the face after he was stopped from coming onto the court to join the Raptors’ postgame celebration at the Golden State Warriors' Oracle Arena because he did not display a proper credential, according to police. Video of the aftermath of that incident was captured by NBC Bay Area, which was the first to report the complaint against Ujiri.
Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
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....“We were told to strictly enforce the credentialing policy and not allow anyone onto the court without a credential, so our deputies were doing that,” Sgt. Ray Kelly, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, said. “Our deputy contacted Mr. Masai Ujiri as he attempted to walk onto the court. He had no credential displayed, and our deputy asked for his credential.
“Mr. Ujiri didn’t produce them and pushed our deputy out of the way to gain access to the court. At that point our deputy tried to stop him and pushed him backward and then Mr. Ujiri came back with a second shove, a more significant push that, with his forward momentum, his arm struck our deputy in the face.
“At that point our deputy pushed Mr. Ujiri away again and some NBA security people and others intervened and he ended up walking onto the court.”....
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...Kelly declined to name the officer and said the police chose not to detain Ujiri on the court because it wouldn’t have been in “anyone’s best interests” to do that on national television, as the Raptors were preparing for the postgame trophy ceremony.
“We decided to take the high road in light of their victory but will submit a report for complaint,” Kelly said.
It will be up to the district attorney whether charges are brought against Ujiri.
Or working private security for Warriors? If it is the latter, then there is this grey area because they allow cops to wear their uniforms while working as private security.
However, Ujiri is still a jackass and those who think he should be allowed to do that because of his identity reveal their belief in double standards.
RE: I don't blame Ujiri. The cop wanted him to show his ID. He's the GM! Â
It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
I think it is very different. Henry Louis Gates was an older man, very professorial and walks with a pronounced limp. He was clearly not a criminal and the incident took place at his own house.
Ujiri is in Oakland. Lots of fans want to run on the court after a championship win and the deputy had been instructed not to allow anyone without ID. It's just like when Dolan went nuts and fired the security guard who asked to see his ID. Everyone blamed Dolan. This is the same situation, only the GM is black so it gets attributed to racism. Actually, this incident is not as bad as the Dolan one because there was chaos after Toronto's victory, and the deputy was right to take extra precautions. Imagine if Ujiri was actually some looney Warriors fan who got onto the court and attacked Kawhi. Everyone would be calling for the deputy to be fired if that happened.
his way into the Men’s locker room at the Aussie Open, he didn’t have it and just waited like a gentleman until his handler came with the badge. The rules apply to everyone for everyone’s safety. There is a video of the Federer incident but I am on my phone so I can’t link it now.
Ujiri was in the wrong. But he is a guy in an expensive suit who is very likely to have some official reason for being there. It seems to me that the deputy could have handled the situation better.
Also, after he got shoved the first time, the deputy shoved Ujiri back. That is completely improper procedure. So, I think ultimately the whole incident should be dropped or the trial can be adjourned with intention to dismiss as long as there are no other incidents in the next six months.
Ujiri was in the wrong. But he is a guy in an expensive suit who is very likely to have some official reason for being there. It seems to me that the deputy could have handled the situation better.
Also, after he got shoved the first time, the deputy shoved Ujiri back. That is completely improper procedure. So, I think ultimately the whole incident should be dropped or the trial can be adjourned with intention to dismiss as long as there are no other incidents in the next six months.
So wearing an expensive suit gets your on the floor, do you realize how dangerous that standard is if the public finds out an expensive suit is the only disguise you need to get on the floor? Show the proper credentials or expect if you don’t for someone to do their job. I am sure he wasn’t traveling alone and could have had an underling correct it in about two minutes.
Ujiri should not have reacted the way he did if true Â
it would have been an easy enough resolution regardless of the correct credentials or not. Much like Lowry coming to get him, that's likely all it would have taken
But having worked at a club on Sunset, the bouncers were implicitly required to 'know who's who' just in case they were out and about. I just did sound, and had a real goofy incident of a celeb complaining to my mgr - by the end even he was like 'she was probably pissed you didn't recognize her' knowing I wouldn't have said or done anything wrong
Hell even less high profile, I worked as customer service in a company, got a call where the guy name dropped 'his friend' who was on the board to do something abnormal for a return. Tho we were trained never to allow this kind of thing, and NO ONE had given me a list of board members, I got the slap on the wrist. Even so it was me, not mgmt, who thought to pass on a list of names to the CS team
It would behoove the security company to be sure the FOs are known entities, if not just have pictures even in digital form on phone so they could double check even without the arm bands or whatever. Also might be smarter to do so at least for the potential championship winning game since you know away FOs will be on court
Ujiri should've been pointed out to the security immediately Â
So that they knew who he was. At this point, everyone knows who he was/what happened and the Raptors will pay a small fine to the security. Big bang boom.
RE: Ujiri should not have reacted the way he did if true Â
it would have been an easy enough resolution regardless of the correct credentials or not. Much like Lowry coming to get him, that's likely all it would have taken
But having worked at a club on Sunset, the bouncers were implicitly required to 'know who's who' just in case they were out and about. I just did sound, and had a real goofy incident of a celeb complaining to my mgr - by the end even he was like 'she was probably pissed you didn't recognize her' knowing I wouldn't have said or done anything wrong
Hell even less high profile, I worked as customer service in a company, got a call where the guy name dropped 'his friend' who was on the board to do something abnormal for a return. Tho we were trained never to allow this kind of thing, and NO ONE had given me a list of board members, I got the slap on the wrist. Even so it was me, not mgmt, who thought to pass on a list of names to the CS team
It would behoove the security company to be sure the FOs are known entities, if not just have pictures even in digital form on phone so they could double check even without the arm bands or whatever. Also might be smarter to do so at least for the potential championship winning game since you know away FOs will be on court
Pretty sure they have the whole credentials system in an effort to avoid all of this. It hardly seems like an efficient or safe system to have security detail look up a picture of someone requesting access to a secure area.
If Ujiri simply displayed the proper credentials all of this likely would have been avoided.
I'll paste this again, seems like maybe it was in white ink the first time.
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Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
According to at least one Warrior fan quoted in the linked USA today article, the police officer initiated contact and Masai responded by shoving the cop.
If true, maybe two wrongs here evolved into an unnecessary escalation? Maybe when trying to rush to the celebration Masai should have more prominently displayed his credential, and maybe when that didn't happen the cop could have opted for a number of other options short of pushing him?
One totally reasonable alternative is to calmly walk with him and ask him to see the credential.
Maybe read what I wrote FIRST about Ujiri staying calm anyway Â
Then I simply pointed out somewhat relevant experiences. It's not far fetched for the company to be forward thinking. I never said to get rid of the system in place, just in case something like this happens. And since it did - my idea would have simply prevented it. Particularly if everyone stayed calm as I suggested first, in NOT white ink
But yes, good smart ass reply anyway
it's impossible to know who is telling the truth re: the credential Â
he clearly had some form of a credential in his hand in the video. This could just be a misunderstanding on both sides, where both sides had valid reasons for what they did and both been in the wrong in how they handled things or it could have been 1 side. I'm not sure we'll ever know who escalated things and what the proper documentation was - but even if he was being a raging douche it would suck if Ujiri had a once in a lifetime moment impacted bc of a disorganized credentialing system.
I also think the comparisons to what happened with the GS owner who shoved Lowry are fair game. Same arena, similar general behavior in question (interacting with the event on the court), just a far more inappropriate action that could have really led to a bad situation and a very weak wrist slap. And obviously at the core the GS owner had zero right to do what he did while Ujiri did have the right to be on the court. If Ujiri is going to get punished i'd hope they have some real clear evidence of him doing something egregiously wrong (and simply displaying the wrong credential is not that).
My only point is from the article it sounds like there is a special gold band you need to get onto the court. NOT the credentials that Ujiri was holding. Maybe he knew it, maybe he didn't. Maybe he had the proper credentials and wasn't displaying them. Maybe he didn't have them. Not known (to me) at this time.
Security is instructed to tightly control access to the court.
I don't care the skin color of the person or how well dressed they are, if I'm security I don't let someone on the court until I see the gold access band.
Period.
If someone tries to push past me or just walk past me, and I was security, you bet your ass I'm going to physically stop them from entering the court until I see the proper credentials.
Anything less would be risking player and personnel safety of those people with proper credentials already on the court.
So, sure I think this probably goes away and should but the people blaming the security detail or claiming racism are off base IMO (but not surprising).
This is a guy doing his job, and someone was frustrated with them doing it, also maybe justifiably. At least that how it sounds to me with the information I've read so far.
RE: I've read that Ujiri had his credentials, but pretty much just flashed Â
them and tried to power walk fast and the cop tried to stop him to authenticate and than that ensued. This to me makes the most sense.
I read that too and I think there's blame all the way around. Supposedly the NBA asked for tighter security for anyone trying to get on the floor after a Championship was won, even adding more credentials to be shown for those who should get access, i.e. a gold wristband.
It's possible this guy was just following orders and didn't see all the credentials required, just like it's possible the GM either didn't have them all or didn't show them all.
I pretty much agree with you - it's security's job to stop anyone without credentials. So less being the instigator, that's fine. I just added examples from personal experience as ways to prevent w/ a little forward thinking, esp because it's the security guard, the bouncer, or me just 'doing my job' who gets bitten even so
But step 1 here is an NBA FO employee being able to stay calm knowing this would be resolved shortly. Whether he initiated or just punched the guy after being stopped it's unacceptable if true (tho we don't know the facts yet). That would have made this a non-story
Oh this is rich. Did you pop the champagne when Klay tore his ACL like a typical Raptor fan?
oh relax buttercup. You should break your teetotaling habits and have a glass of wine - it is actually good for your health and will guaranteed make you less uptight. Signed Champion Kyle Lowry
Was we can coin the NFL phrase of “dilfer” to a marginal player leading his team to a title the next time a marginal point guard wins an NBA title and call it “Lowry’d.”
A five time all star is marginal? Maybe you are lying about never having a drink or trying drugs; because that is a bizarre comment even by your usual confrontational, Oscar the Grouch standards #depneedstogetlaid
RE: RE: I don't blame Ujiri. The cop wanted him to show his ID. He's the GM! Â
It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
One of the more brainless takes I've seen in a while. You do know the game was not in Toronto, right?
But every security guard should know what every away team executive looks like to avoid having policies. That is why they have credentials in the first place.
And like with most cases it seems like many people don't have the whole story before determining guilt or innocence and of course it wouldn't be a story in 2019 without accusing someone of being racist.
Seems like in the end the security detail did the right thing, and my guess is this goes away. but hard to find fault based on the USA Today account
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....Ujiri is accused of twice shoving an officer and striking him in the face after he was stopped from coming onto the court to join the Raptors’ postgame celebration at the Golden State Warriors' Oracle Arena because he did not display a proper credential, according to police. Video of the aftermath of that incident was captured by NBC Bay Area, which was the first to report the complaint against Ujiri.
Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
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....“We were told to strictly enforce the credentialing policy and not allow anyone onto the court without a credential, so our deputies were doing that,” Sgt. Ray Kelly, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, said. “Our deputy contacted Mr. Masai Ujiri as he attempted to walk onto the court. He had no credential displayed, and our deputy asked for his credential.
“Mr. Ujiri didn’t produce them and pushed our deputy out of the way to gain access to the court. At that point our deputy tried to stop him and pushed him backward and then Mr. Ujiri came back with a second shove, a more significant push that, with his forward momentum, his arm struck our deputy in the face.
“At that point our deputy pushed Mr. Ujiri away again and some NBA security people and others intervened and he ended up walking onto the court.”....
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...Kelly declined to name the officer and said the police chose not to detain Ujiri on the court because it wouldn’t have been in “anyone’s best interests” to do that on national television, as the Raptors were preparing for the postgame trophy ceremony.
“We decided to take the high road in light of their victory but will submit a report for complaint,” Kelly said.
It will be up to the district attorney whether charges are brought against Ujiri.
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My take is brainless, yet yours ignores the historical relationship between the state and black people in this country. You think Gettleman is getting a pat down on his way to the Lombardi? Just because you haven't experienced systemic racism doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And just because he's a millionaire, his skin color doesn't change. He's still perceived as lesser relative to his white peers.
RE: RE: RE: I don't blame Ujiri. The cop wanted him to show his ID. He's the GM! Â
It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
One of the more brainless takes I've seen in a while. You do know the game was not in Toronto, right?
But every security guard should know what every away team executive looks like to avoid having policies. That is why they have credentials in the first place.
And like with most cases it seems like many people don't have the whole story before determining guilt or innocence and of course it wouldn't be a story in 2019 without accusing someone of being racist.
Seems like in the end the security detail did the right thing, and my guess is this goes away. but hard to find fault based on the USA Today account
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....Ujiri is accused of twice shoving an officer and striking him in the face after he was stopped from coming onto the court to join the Raptors’ postgame celebration at the Golden State Warriors' Oracle Arena because he did not display a proper credential, according to police. Video of the aftermath of that incident was captured by NBC Bay Area, which was the first to report the complaint against Ujiri.
Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
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....“We were told to strictly enforce the credentialing policy and not allow anyone onto the court without a credential, so our deputies were doing that,” Sgt. Ray Kelly, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, said. “Our deputy contacted Mr. Masai Ujiri as he attempted to walk onto the court. He had no credential displayed, and our deputy asked for his credential.
“Mr. Ujiri didn’t produce them and pushed our deputy out of the way to gain access to the court. At that point our deputy tried to stop him and pushed him backward and then Mr. Ujiri came back with a second shove, a more significant push that, with his forward momentum, his arm struck our deputy in the face.
“At that point our deputy pushed Mr. Ujiri away again and some NBA security people and others intervened and he ended up walking onto the court.”....
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...Kelly declined to name the officer and said the police chose not to detain Ujiri on the court because it wouldn’t have been in “anyone’s best interests” to do that on national television, as the Raptors were preparing for the postgame trophy ceremony.
“We decided to take the high road in light of their victory but will submit a report for complaint,” Kelly said.
It will be up to the district attorney whether charges are brought against Ujiri.
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My take is brainless, yet yours ignores the historical relationship between the state and black people in this country. You think Gettleman is getting a pat down on his way to the Lombardi? Just because you haven't experienced systemic racism doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And just because he's a millionaire, his skin color doesn't change. He's still perceived as lesser relative to his white peers.
Racism exists. Nowhere did I ever deny that, nor would I.
This is not it IMO.
Roger Federrer was also stopped, what color is his skin?
but Federrer stopped and waited for the person with his credentials and didn't keep walking past security or shove them.
Do you think if Ujiri stopped and waited for NBA security to wave him in this incident would have been avoided?
Or do you just presume a white police officer working security saw a black man and went into a racist rage or simply figured because he was a black man he couldn't possibly belong on the court (where the majority of the people were in fact black)?
Do you think maybe the security guard didn't see the gold wrist band (or Ujiri didn't have a gold wrist band) and the officer was going his job?
And because racism does actually exist, blaming it when it had nothing to do with the incident creates a victim culture that helps no one move forward. Especially the true victims of racism.
RE: I've read that Ujiri had his credentials, but pretty much just flashed Â
whereas the trophy ceremony was happening in real time. Ujiri was understandably rushing to something he was supposed to be part of. And the law of averages says championship ceremonies are pretty once in a lifetime.
That doesn't excuse any level of physical contact but we don't know the details of the misunderstanding he encountered on the way. Maybe the gold band credential was the issue. Or maybe the officer was being a dick. Or maybe Ujiri was being a total assclown. Or maybe GS's arena operations people just had a bad plan setup and it was neither parties' fault. We don't know. But the facts that are known lead me to give Ujiri the benefit of doubt until we hear something specific otherwise. He had at least 1 credential in his hand and he was trying to get to where he was supposed to be.
RE: Federer example isn't a good comp - they can't start a match w/o him Â
whereas the trophy ceremony was happening in real time. Ujiri was understandably rushing to something he was supposed to be part of. And the law of averages says championship ceremonies are pretty once in a lifetime.
That doesn't excuse any level of physical contact but we don't know the details of the misunderstanding he encountered on the way. Maybe the gold band credential was the issue. Or maybe the officer was being a dick. Or maybe Ujiri was being a total assclown. Or maybe GS's arena operations people just had a bad plan setup and it was neither parties' fault. We don't know. But the facts that are known lead me to give Ujiri the benefit of doubt until we hear something specific otherwise. He had at least 1 credential in his hand and he was trying to get to where he was supposed to be.
the point wasn't the circumstances being exactly the same, my point was neither person, Federrer at the Australian Open or Ujiri at game 6 had the proper credentials to get where they were trying to go and the people working security detail stopped them both.
In one case, Adamg claims it was racist because it was a black man in a suit who was stopped.
That is what I consider reckless and ignorant and probably more racist than anything else on this thread.
that's fair I was just pointing out Ujiri's situation had urgency Â
which makes it a lot harder for anyone to keep their cool in any sort of disagreement or misunderstanding. Anyone drawing conclusions about the misunderstanding at this point is getting out over their skis, but I'd include as part of that any conclusions critical of Ujiri. We don't know if his reaction was warranted or unwarranted yet.
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Greg Wiener, a season ticket holder who was standing next to the officer, told The Associated Press the police are not telling the truth and are trying to cover up for what the officer did. He said Masai Ujiri never struck the officer in the face or asked for a credential.
btw today's stories quote a GS fan disputing the police version Â
about Ujiri refusing the credential request. Both the NBA and Sheriff's department are investigating so again I don't think there's any way to accurately assign blame until more facts come out.
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Greg Wiener, a 61-year-old Warriors’ season ticket holder, said Friday he was standing next to the deputy during the encounter and didn’t see Ujiri strike him in the face.
Wiener said the encounter began when the deputy put his hand on Ujiri’s chest and pushed him. Ujiri shoved him back before bystanders intervened, Wiener said.
“The thing about the cops saying the policeman asked for his credentials, that didn’t happen. There was no conversation at all,” Wiener said. “This part about striking him in the face, yeah that didn’t happen.”
Wiener said he hadn’t been interviewed by authorities.
“This looks like somebody trying to embellish what happened to protect what they did, what the policeman did,” Wiener said.
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Greg Wiener, a season ticket holder who was standing next to the officer, told The Associated Press the police are not telling the truth and are trying to cover up for what the officer did. He said Masai Ujiri never struck the officer in the face or asked for a credential.
Wiener's actual quote sounds nothing like that tweet.
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Wiener, however, says he was standing to the right of the deputy when he saw Ujiri trying to get on the court at the end of the game.
"He didn't hit him in the face, he shoved him in the chest," Wiener said. "He was excited his team just won, he wanted to get on the court."
Wiener says Ujiri's credentials were in his hands and not clearly visible to the deputy when he tried to go onto the court. The deputy stopped him and Ujiri stepped back, before trying to go forward again. When Ujiri was stopped by the deputy again, Wiener said Ujiri pushed the deputy in the chest with two hands.
The whole incident was very quick, Wiener said, about 25 seconds or less. He plans to make a statement to Oakland police next week.
A Raptors spokesperson told CNN Sports on Friday, "The incident is being looked at, and we are cooperating with authorities. We look forward to resolving the situation."
If you read that guys twitter page it seems as he was taking his pass Â
out the cop put his hands on him to stop him from getting on the court and than Ujiri shoved him pretty hard. What a surprise! Both parties are assholes! These things rarely happen unless you have two assholes involved.
The cop going to the hospital is the biggest bitch ass move I"ve Â
"(Ujiri) had (his credential) in his hand and his hand was down by his side," he said. "It looked like he was trying to get it up. As Ujiri came forward, the cop stepped forward and put his hand on his chest and basically said, 'Nobody can go past this point.' He just stopped him. Ujiri didn't say anything, he didn't get his badge up, then the cop kind of pushed him back, then Ujiri shoved him. I mean, hard.
It appears the fan's quote is getting sliced and diced in different publications.
A five time all star is marginal? Maybe you are lying about never having a drink or trying drugs; because that is a bizarre comment even by your usual confrontational, Oscar the Grouch standards #depneedstogetlaid
Why would I need to lie about that? You think I’m going to come to a message board telling people who I’ll never meet I never drank or dis drugs? Are you that much of a loser who actually thinks this? Well we all know the answer.
The sad thing is if I was a drinker or drug user.... my doctor said I’d probably be dead now after my recent attack. But stay classy asshole.
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whereas the trophy ceremony was happening in real time. Ujiri was understandably rushing to something he was supposed to be part of. And the law of averages says championship ceremonies are pretty once in a lifetime.
That doesn't excuse any level of physical contact but we don't know the details of the misunderstanding he encountered on the way. Maybe the gold band credential was the issue. Or maybe the officer was being a dick. Or maybe Ujiri was being a total assclown. Or maybe GS's arena operations people just had a bad plan setup and it was neither parties' fault. We don't know. But the facts that are known lead me to give Ujiri the benefit of doubt until we hear something specific otherwise. He had at least 1 credential in his hand and he was trying to get to where he was supposed to be.
the point wasn't the circumstances being exactly the same, my point was neither person, Federrer at the Australian Open or Ujiri at game 6 had the proper credentials to get where they were trying to go and the people working security detail stopped them both.
In one case, Adamg claims it was racist because it was a black man in a suit who was stopped.
That is what I consider reckless and ignorant and probably more racist than anything else on this thread.
I could be wrong. But there is no sense in what I said could be construed as racist. Claims of racism are not themselves instances of racism. That makes no sense.
Yeh I agree, not a good look, but they'll drop the charge. In their eyes you can't just go around pushing officers because the wronged you, so they'll charge and drop.
at what point can you push and hit a person?
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
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The Raptors GM did have his credentials and the security guard was pissed because the Warriors lost, so he took out his frustration on the GM. He knew who he was, the guard was being an asshole to try and make Uriji look bad.
at what point can you push and hit a person?
At what point do you choose to be a little bitch because your team lost? It’s not like security didn’t know who he was, seeing as he’s at every game home and away during the playoffs and was likely escorted to his skybox by that very same security.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
Yeah before the game the cop has to memorize the faces of an entire roster of Raptors and Golden State employees before taking to the court to provide security for the team. Right..
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The Raptors GM did have his credentials and the security guard was pissed because the Warriors lost, so he took out his frustration on the GM. He knew who he was, the guard was being an asshole to try and make Uriji look bad.
at what point can you push and hit a person?
At what point do you choose to be a little bitch because your team lost? It’s not like security didn’t know who he was, seeing as he’s at every game home and away during the playoffs and was likely escorted to his skybox by that very same security.
you didn't answer the question. The answer is you shouldn't.
I can't relate, i'm a knicks fan and they never lose.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
One of the more brainless takes I've seen in a while. You do know the game was not in Toronto, right?
But every security guard should know what every away team executive looks like to avoid having policies. That is why they have credentials in the first place.
And like with most cases it seems like many people don't have the whole story before determining guilt or innocence and of course it wouldn't be a story in 2019 without accusing someone of being racist.
Seems like in the end the security detail did the right thing, and my guess is this goes away. but hard to find fault based on the USA Today account
Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
“Mr. Ujiri didn’t produce them and pushed our deputy out of the way to gain access to the court. At that point our deputy tried to stop him and pushed him backward and then Mr. Ujiri came back with a second shove, a more significant push that, with his forward momentum, his arm struck our deputy in the face.
“At that point our deputy pushed Mr. Ujiri away again and some NBA security people and others intervened and he ended up walking onto the court.”....
“We decided to take the high road in light of their victory but will submit a report for complaint,” Kelly said.
It will be up to the district attorney whether charges are brought against Ujiri.
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However, Ujiri is still a jackass and those who think he should be allowed to do that because of his identity reveal their belief in double standards.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
I think it is very different. Henry Louis Gates was an older man, very professorial and walks with a pronounced limp. He was clearly not a criminal and the incident took place at his own house.
Ujiri is in Oakland. Lots of fans want to run on the court after a championship win and the deputy had been instructed not to allow anyone without ID. It's just like when Dolan went nuts and fired the security guard who asked to see his ID. Everyone blamed Dolan. This is the same situation, only the GM is black so it gets attributed to racism. Actually, this incident is not as bad as the Dolan one because there was chaos after Toronto's victory, and the deputy was right to take extra precautions. Imagine if Ujiri was actually some looney Warriors fan who got onto the court and attacked Kawhi. Everyone would be calling for the deputy to be fired if that happened.
Also, after he got shoved the first time, the deputy shoved Ujiri back. That is completely improper procedure. So, I think ultimately the whole incident should be dropped or the trial can be adjourned with intention to dismiss as long as there are no other incidents in the next six months.
Also, after he got shoved the first time, the deputy shoved Ujiri back. That is completely improper procedure. So, I think ultimately the whole incident should be dropped or the trial can be adjourned with intention to dismiss as long as there are no other incidents in the next six months.
So wearing an expensive suit gets your on the floor, do you realize how dangerous that standard is if the public finds out an expensive suit is the only disguise you need to get on the floor? Show the proper credentials or expect if you don’t for someone to do their job. I am sure he wasn’t traveling alone and could have had an underling correct it in about two minutes.
But having worked at a club on Sunset, the bouncers were implicitly required to 'know who's who' just in case they were out and about. I just did sound, and had a real goofy incident of a celeb complaining to my mgr - by the end even he was like 'she was probably pissed you didn't recognize her' knowing I wouldn't have said or done anything wrong
Hell even less high profile, I worked as customer service in a company, got a call where the guy name dropped 'his friend' who was on the board to do something abnormal for a return. Tho we were trained never to allow this kind of thing, and NO ONE had given me a list of board members, I got the slap on the wrist. Even so it was me, not mgmt, who thought to pass on a list of names to the CS team
It would behoove the security company to be sure the FOs are known entities, if not just have pictures even in digital form on phone so they could double check even without the arm bands or whatever. Also might be smarter to do so at least for the potential championship winning game since you know away FOs will be on court
But having worked at a club on Sunset, the bouncers were implicitly required to 'know who's who' just in case they were out and about. I just did sound, and had a real goofy incident of a celeb complaining to my mgr - by the end even he was like 'she was probably pissed you didn't recognize her' knowing I wouldn't have said or done anything wrong
Hell even less high profile, I worked as customer service in a company, got a call where the guy name dropped 'his friend' who was on the board to do something abnormal for a return. Tho we were trained never to allow this kind of thing, and NO ONE had given me a list of board members, I got the slap on the wrist. Even so it was me, not mgmt, who thought to pass on a list of names to the CS team
It would behoove the security company to be sure the FOs are known entities, if not just have pictures even in digital form on phone so they could double check even without the arm bands or whatever. Also might be smarter to do so at least for the potential championship winning game since you know away FOs will be on court
Pretty sure they have the whole credentials system in an effort to avoid all of this. It hardly seems like an efficient or safe system to have security detail look up a picture of someone requesting access to a secure area.
If Ujiri simply displayed the proper credentials all of this likely would have been avoided.
I'll paste this again, seems like maybe it was in white ink the first time.
If true, maybe two wrongs here evolved into an unnecessary escalation? Maybe when trying to rush to the celebration Masai should have more prominently displayed his credential, and maybe when that didn't happen the cop could have opted for a number of other options short of pushing him?
One totally reasonable alternative is to calmly walk with him and ask him to see the credential.
Then I simply pointed out somewhat relevant experiences. It's not far fetched for the company to be forward thinking. I never said to get rid of the system in place, just in case something like this happens. And since it did - my idea would have simply prevented it. Particularly if everyone stayed calm as I suggested first, in NOT white ink
But yes, good smart ass reply anyway
I also think the comparisons to what happened with the GS owner who shoved Lowry are fair game. Same arena, similar general behavior in question (interacting with the event on the court), just a far more inappropriate action that could have really led to a bad situation and a very weak wrist slap. And obviously at the core the GS owner had zero right to do what he did while Ujiri did have the right to be on the court. If Ujiri is going to get punished i'd hope they have some real clear evidence of him doing something egregiously wrong (and simply displaying the wrong credential is not that).
My only point is from the article it sounds like there is a special gold band you need to get onto the court. NOT the credentials that Ujiri was holding. Maybe he knew it, maybe he didn't. Maybe he had the proper credentials and wasn't displaying them. Maybe he didn't have them. Not known (to me) at this time.
Security is instructed to tightly control access to the court.
I don't care the skin color of the person or how well dressed they are, if I'm security I don't let someone on the court until I see the gold access band.
Period.
If someone tries to push past me or just walk past me, and I was security, you bet your ass I'm going to physically stop them from entering the court until I see the proper credentials.
Anything less would be risking player and personnel safety of those people with proper credentials already on the court.
So, sure I think this probably goes away and should but the people blaming the security detail or claiming racism are off base IMO (but not surprising).
This is a guy doing his job, and someone was frustrated with them doing it, also maybe justifiably. At least that how it sounds to me with the information I've read so far.
I read that too and I think there's blame all the way around. Supposedly the NBA asked for tighter security for anyone trying to get on the floor after a Championship was won, even adding more credentials to be shown for those who should get access, i.e. a gold wristband.
It's possible this guy was just following orders and didn't see all the credentials required, just like it's possible the GM either didn't have them all or didn't show them all.
But step 1 here is an NBA FO employee being able to stay calm knowing this would be resolved shortly. Whether he initiated or just punched the guy after being stopped it's unacceptable if true (tho we don't know the facts yet). That would have made this a non-story
Oh this is rich. Did you pop the champagne when Klay tore his ACL like a typical Raptor fan?
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Oh this is rich. Did you pop the champagne when Klay tore his ACL like a typical Raptor fan?
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It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
One of the more brainless takes I've seen in a while. You do know the game was not in Toronto, right?
But every security guard should know what every away team executive looks like to avoid having policies. That is why they have credentials in the first place.
And like with most cases it seems like many people don't have the whole story before determining guilt or innocence and of course it wouldn't be a story in 2019 without accusing someone of being racist.
Seems like in the end the security detail did the right thing, and my guess is this goes away. but hard to find fault based on the USA Today account
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....Ujiri is accused of twice shoving an officer and striking him in the face after he was stopped from coming onto the court to join the Raptors’ postgame celebration at the Golden State Warriors' Oracle Arena because he did not display a proper credential, according to police. Video of the aftermath of that incident was captured by NBC Bay Area, which was the first to report the complaint against Ujiri.
Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
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....“We were told to strictly enforce the credentialing policy and not allow anyone onto the court without a credential, so our deputies were doing that,” Sgt. Ray Kelly, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, said. “Our deputy contacted Mr. Masai Ujiri as he attempted to walk onto the court. He had no credential displayed, and our deputy asked for his credential.
“Mr. Ujiri didn’t produce them and pushed our deputy out of the way to gain access to the court. At that point our deputy tried to stop him and pushed him backward and then Mr. Ujiri came back with a second shove, a more significant push that, with his forward momentum, his arm struck our deputy in the face.
“At that point our deputy pushed Mr. Ujiri away again and some NBA security people and others intervened and he ended up walking onto the court.”....
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...Kelly declined to name the officer and said the police chose not to detain Ujiri on the court because it wouldn’t have been in “anyone’s best interests” to do that on national television, as the Raptors were preparing for the postgame trophy ceremony.
“We decided to take the high road in light of their victory but will submit a report for complaint,” Kelly said.
It will be up to the district attorney whether charges are brought against Ujiri.
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My take is brainless, yet yours ignores the historical relationship between the state and black people in this country. You think Gettleman is getting a pat down on his way to the Lombardi? Just because you haven't experienced systemic racism doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And just because he's a millionaire, his skin color doesn't change. He's still perceived as lesser relative to his white peers.
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It's his fucking day. It's his fucking show. That cop should know who the fucking guy is who put together the winning team. He's not some schmuck who needs to show his driver's license. This seems similar to the Louis-Gates thing.
Walking in your house while black.
Joeyguido illustrates the white privilege take perfectly. It's ok to smack someone as the long as the white guy does it.
One of the more brainless takes I've seen in a while. You do know the game was not in Toronto, right?
But every security guard should know what every away team executive looks like to avoid having policies. That is why they have credentials in the first place.
And like with most cases it seems like many people don't have the whole story before determining guilt or innocence and of course it wouldn't be a story in 2019 without accusing someone of being racist.
Seems like in the end the security detail did the right thing, and my guess is this goes away. but hard to find fault based on the USA Today account
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....Ujiri is accused of twice shoving an officer and striking him in the face after he was stopped from coming onto the court to join the Raptors’ postgame celebration at the Golden State Warriors' Oracle Arena because he did not display a proper credential, according to police. Video of the aftermath of that incident was captured by NBC Bay Area, which was the first to report the complaint against Ujiri.
Ujiri appears to be holding a credential in his right hand in the video, and he also appears to be holding a credential in the same hand in a video that shows him watching the end of the game from the tunnel — before the incident occurred. However, per NBA rules, only personnel with specially designated gold armbands were allowed on the court after the conclusion of the game, and it's unclear if Ujiri was wearing one or had one in his possession...
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....“We were told to strictly enforce the credentialing policy and not allow anyone onto the court without a credential, so our deputies were doing that,” Sgt. Ray Kelly, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, said. “Our deputy contacted Mr. Masai Ujiri as he attempted to walk onto the court. He had no credential displayed, and our deputy asked for his credential.
“Mr. Ujiri didn’t produce them and pushed our deputy out of the way to gain access to the court. At that point our deputy tried to stop him and pushed him backward and then Mr. Ujiri came back with a second shove, a more significant push that, with his forward momentum, his arm struck our deputy in the face.
“At that point our deputy pushed Mr. Ujiri away again and some NBA security people and others intervened and he ended up walking onto the court.”....
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...Kelly declined to name the officer and said the police chose not to detain Ujiri on the court because it wouldn’t have been in “anyone’s best interests” to do that on national television, as the Raptors were preparing for the postgame trophy ceremony.
“We decided to take the high road in light of their victory but will submit a report for complaint,” Kelly said.
It will be up to the district attorney whether charges are brought against Ujiri.
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My take is brainless, yet yours ignores the historical relationship between the state and black people in this country. You think Gettleman is getting a pat down on his way to the Lombardi? Just because you haven't experienced systemic racism doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And just because he's a millionaire, his skin color doesn't change. He's still perceived as lesser relative to his white peers.
Racism exists. Nowhere did I ever deny that, nor would I.
This is not it IMO.
Roger Federrer was also stopped, what color is his skin?
but Federrer stopped and waited for the person with his credentials and didn't keep walking past security or shove them.
Do you think if Ujiri stopped and waited for NBA security to wave him in this incident would have been avoided?
Or do you just presume a white police officer working security saw a black man and went into a racist rage or simply figured because he was a black man he couldn't possibly belong on the court (where the majority of the people were in fact black)?
Do you think maybe the security guard didn't see the gold wrist band (or Ujiri didn't have a gold wrist band) and the officer was going his job?
And because racism does actually exist, blaming it when it had nothing to do with the incident creates a victim culture that helps no one move forward. Especially the true victims of racism.
This seems like the most plausible situation.
That doesn't excuse any level of physical contact but we don't know the details of the misunderstanding he encountered on the way. Maybe the gold band credential was the issue. Or maybe the officer was being a dick. Or maybe Ujiri was being a total assclown. Or maybe GS's arena operations people just had a bad plan setup and it was neither parties' fault. We don't know. But the facts that are known lead me to give Ujiri the benefit of doubt until we hear something specific otherwise. He had at least 1 credential in his hand and he was trying to get to where he was supposed to be.
That doesn't excuse any level of physical contact but we don't know the details of the misunderstanding he encountered on the way. Maybe the gold band credential was the issue. Or maybe the officer was being a dick. Or maybe Ujiri was being a total assclown. Or maybe GS's arena operations people just had a bad plan setup and it was neither parties' fault. We don't know. But the facts that are known lead me to give Ujiri the benefit of doubt until we hear something specific otherwise. He had at least 1 credential in his hand and he was trying to get to where he was supposed to be.
the point wasn't the circumstances being exactly the same, my point was neither person, Federrer at the Australian Open or Ujiri at game 6 had the proper credentials to get where they were trying to go and the people working security detail stopped them both.
In one case, Adamg claims it was racist because it was a black man in a suit who was stopped.
That is what I consider reckless and ignorant and probably more racist than anything else on this thread.
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Greg Wiener, a season ticket holder who was standing next to the officer, told The Associated Press the police are not telling the truth and are trying to cover up for what the officer did. He said Masai Ujiri never struck the officer in the face or asked for a credential.
Wiener said the encounter began when the deputy put his hand on Ujiri’s chest and pushed him. Ujiri shoved him back before bystanders intervened, Wiener said.
“The thing about the cops saying the policeman asked for his credentials, that didn’t happen. There was no conversation at all,” Wiener said. “This part about striking him in the face, yeah that didn’t happen.”
Wiener said he hadn’t been interviewed by authorities.
“This looks like somebody trying to embellish what happened to protect what they did, what the policeman did,” Wiener said.
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Greg Wiener, a season ticket holder who was standing next to the officer, told The Associated Press the police are not telling the truth and are trying to cover up for what the officer did. He said Masai Ujiri never struck the officer in the face or asked for a credential.
Wiener's actual quote sounds nothing like that tweet.
"He didn't hit him in the face, he shoved him in the chest," Wiener said. "He was excited his team just won, he wanted to get on the court."
Wiener says Ujiri's credentials were in his hands and not clearly visible to the deputy when he tried to go onto the court. The deputy stopped him and Ujiri stepped back, before trying to go forward again. When Ujiri was stopped by the deputy again, Wiener said Ujiri pushed the deputy in the chest with two hands.
The whole incident was very quick, Wiener said, about 25 seconds or less. He plans to make a statement to Oakland police next week.
A Raptors spokesperson told CNN Sports on Friday, "The incident is being looked at, and we are cooperating with authorities. We look forward to resolving the situation."
It appears the fan's quote is getting sliced and diced in different publications.
Why would I need to lie about that? You think I’m going to come to a message board telling people who I’ll never meet I never drank or dis drugs? Are you that much of a loser who actually thinks this? Well we all know the answer.
The sad thing is if I was a drinker or drug user.... my doctor said I’d probably be dead now after my recent attack. But stay classy asshole.
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whereas the trophy ceremony was happening in real time. Ujiri was understandably rushing to something he was supposed to be part of. And the law of averages says championship ceremonies are pretty once in a lifetime.
That doesn't excuse any level of physical contact but we don't know the details of the misunderstanding he encountered on the way. Maybe the gold band credential was the issue. Or maybe the officer was being a dick. Or maybe Ujiri was being a total assclown. Or maybe GS's arena operations people just had a bad plan setup and it was neither parties' fault. We don't know. But the facts that are known lead me to give Ujiri the benefit of doubt until we hear something specific otherwise. He had at least 1 credential in his hand and he was trying to get to where he was supposed to be.
the point wasn't the circumstances being exactly the same, my point was neither person, Federrer at the Australian Open or Ujiri at game 6 had the proper credentials to get where they were trying to go and the people working security detail stopped them both.
In one case, Adamg claims it was racist because it was a black man in a suit who was stopped.
That is what I consider reckless and ignorant and probably more racist than anything else on this thread.
I could be wrong. But there is no sense in what I said could be construed as racist. Claims of racism are not themselves instances of racism. That makes no sense.