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NOT counting LT, the best LB you ever saw?

Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2019 12:01 pm
Butkus.

And go.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/15/2019 12:04 pm : link
I originally wanted to say Mike Singletary, but in terms of overall combination of athleticism and big plays, Junior Seau.
Fiddy I was thinking Carson or Carl Banks at his peak  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
until I opened the thread and read your mention of Butkus.


You pretty much committed suicide to your own OP, with Butkus.
Never got to see Butkus or Ray Nitschke play. Wish I had.  
Klaatu : 6/15/2019 12:09 pm : link
I'll say Ray Lewis.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/15/2019 12:09 pm : link
As much as it pains me to say it, Ray Lewis. Of course he should be in jail right now...
I think he’s a massive fraud, but  
Dave in PA : 6/15/2019 12:09 pm : link
Ray Lewis has to be up there
I agree with Ray Lewis  
Ira : 6/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
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Derrick Thomas  
BSIMatt : 6/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
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I guess I can’t really say best...  
Chris in Philly : 6/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
but I loved the way Derrick Brooks player the position...
Played...  
Chris in Philly : 6/15/2019 12:18 pm : link
And for a couple of years it looked like Patrick Willis was going to be on his way...
I have a hard time picking between  
PatersonPlank : 6/15/2019 12:24 pm : link
Butkus, Lewis, Bobby Bell, and Derrick Brooks

I guess it comes down to do you like the proto-typical MLB or the OLB type
The saints  
GFiLA : 6/15/2019 12:26 pm : link
Linebackers rivaled the Giants during our hay day. They were fun to watch.
Butkus was the only LB besides LT  
TMS : 6/15/2019 12:29 pm : link
that was a true team leader who opponents planned for and actually feared.
RE: Butkus was the only LB besides LT  
Chris in Philly : 6/15/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14472742 TMS said:
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that was a true team leader who opponents planned for and actually feared.


I don’t know about that, man...
Probably Ray Lewis...  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/15/2019 12:32 pm : link
...but Jesse Armstead is right up there.
Derrick Brooks  
Rong5611 : 6/15/2019 12:34 pm : link
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RE: The saints  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14472741 GFiLA said:
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Linebackers rivaled the Giants during our hay day. They were fun to watch.


Swilling rocked!
Ricky Jackson  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2019 12:52 pm : link
The 80s was a golden age of LBs
Butkus  
Chip : 6/15/2019 12:53 pm : link
Willie Lanier was good as well
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christian : 6/15/2019 12:54 pm : link
The most consistent oustide linebacker rushing the passer aside from LT I've seen was Derrick Thomas. He lived in the opponents backfield.

The best cover linebacker I've seen is unfortunately Ray Lewis. 2003 Ray Lewis was as productive at MIKE in coverage as a top tier corner.

Jessie Armstead  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/15/2019 12:56 pm : link
Flying all over the field with that knack for always being around the ball.
LT was obviously in a lague of his own.  
MOOPS : 6/15/2019 1:20 pm : link
I'll add Jack Ham to the list of second best.
By decade  
NINEster : 6/15/2019 1:31 pm : link
'80s: Mike Singletary
'90s: Derrick Thomas
'00s: Ray Lewis
'10s: Patrick Willis
Ray Lewis  
Chris684 : 6/15/2019 1:34 pm : link
Derrick Brooks
Jack freaking  
XBRONX : 6/15/2019 1:35 pm : link
Lambert.
Yup  
Professor Falken : 6/15/2019 1:41 pm : link
Jack Lambert.
Lambert - ( New Window )
When considering their ability in each facet  
GoDeep13 : 6/15/2019 1:47 pm : link
I’d have to say Derrick Brooks. Insane speed. Could cover, chase you down back side, shoot a gap for a TFL or Sack, Leader both in and off the field. Don’t think you build them more complete than Brooks.
RE: Butkus was the only LB besides LT  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/15/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14472742 TMS said:
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that was a true team leader who opponents planned for and actually feared.

If you ever had an accurate thought, it would die of loneliness.
Derrick Thomas  
rdt288 : 6/15/2019 1:49 pm : link
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Ray Lewis  
giantsFC : 6/15/2019 2:04 pm : link
I like the saints LB’s shout out too
LT and Brad Van Pelt!  
SterlingArcher : 6/15/2019 2:12 pm : link
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Lambert and Russell  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2019 2:17 pm : link
and Singletary
RE: Ricky Jackson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/15/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14472755 Greg from LI said:
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The 80s was a golden age of LBs


Good call.

And somehow Ray Lewis escaped my mind.
Hate to say it  
fanofthejets : 6/15/2019 2:48 pm : link
This guy



Jack Lambert is a close 3rd

From my father's period  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/15/2019 2:49 pm : link
Butkus was the elite, but the Chiefs LBs of Willie Lanier and Bobby Bell were really really good.

I know people will knock this, but DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller are closer to LT impact than some current HOFers.

Lewis and Seau are close to Butkus level, but from college I've always felt Brooks was a better all-around LB than Lewis.
Derrick Thomas  
section125 : 6/15/2019 3:12 pm : link
rivaled LT in many ways. I'd say closest thing to LT.
I'm sure these guys were all mentioned  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2019 3:20 pm : link
but I'll say Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Mike Singletary, Harry Carson, Zach Thomas, Luke Kuechly is already there for me.

Steelers fans will say Jack Lambert (before Greg Lloyd or Joey Porter), but I didn't really see Lambert in his prime or Butkus at all.

but none of these guys are really close to LT.
Lambert with 2-3 mentions vs only one for Willie Lanier?  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/15/2019 3:22 pm : link
That's out of whack, so I'm gonna chip in a 2nd nomination for Lanier. That trio, too of Lanier, Bell & Lynch was awesome.
lewis and brooks  
GiantsFan84 : 6/15/2019 3:26 pm : link
are a tie for me. those two guys ALWAYS made the big play too. it was uncanny
RE: Lambert with 2-3 mentions vs only one for Willie Lanier?  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/15/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14472844 BlueLou'sBack said:
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That's out of whack, so I'm gonna chip in a 2nd nomination for Lanier. That trio, too of Lanier, Bell & Lynch was awesome.


Make that the 3rd mention of Lanier and Bell both!

DeMarcus Ware was a beast through his first what 6-7 seasons? But then slowed down or fell off quite a bit.
The craziest thing about this thread  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/15/2019 3:30 pm : link
and all the great LBs mentioned,

is that NO ONE really came CLOSE to LT.

At his peak he was like Thor came from his realm of G-ds to play football among earthlings.
Willie Lanier  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2019 3:32 pm : link
retired in 1977, I'm guessing a good portion of the site never saw him in him prime. Like Butkus, Lambert, Ham, etc.
I don't know how many steroids he was doing  
MM_in_NYC : 6/15/2019 3:34 pm : link
but Zach Thomas best run stuffing LB i've seen.
Butkis.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 6/15/2019 3:38 pm : link
Tommy Nobis was excellent as well.
Derrick Thomas  
dune69 : 6/15/2019 3:42 pm : link
but who can argue with:

Butkus
Lewis
Hendricks
Lambert
Seau
Nitsche
Bednarik
Harry (I loved Harry)
Bell

Lots of very good linebackers
RE: Butkis.  
fanofthejets : 6/15/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14472860 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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Tommy Nobis was excellent as well.


Nobis was a tackling machine. Was a good-sometimes very good player but never great. Despite a good career he underachieved a bit with how hyped he was coming out of Texas as the first pick overall in the NFL draft (went 5th in the AFL draft)
Hey what  
Jerry from Maine : 6/15/2019 4:01 pm : link
about Bill George of the Bears.. dude was a badass, and as huge Sam Huff fan growing up Bill was better.
RE: Hey what  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14472879 Jerry from Maine said:
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about Bill George of the Bears.. dude was a badass, and as huge Sam Huff fan growing up Bill was better.


Joe Schmidt. Bednarik.
I am actually surprised no one has said keuchly  
bhill410 : 6/15/2019 4:23 pm : link
It’s in a 4-3 rather than a 3-4 so he doesn’t get the glamor stats but i am not sure I have seen a better pure linebacker. If you are going to count the olb in a 3-4 (who are really edge rushers in my mind) von Miller in recent years has been something else.
RE: I am actually surprised no one has said keuchly  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14472888 bhill410 said:
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It’s in a 4-3 rather than a 3-4 so he doesn’t get the glamor stats but i am not sure I have seen a better pure linebacker. If you are going to count the olb in a 3-4 (who are really edge rushers in my mind) von Miller in recent years has been something else.


Don't be surprised. Someone said him.

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I'm sure these guys were all mentioned
pjcas18 : 3:20 pm : link : reply
but I'll say Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Mike Singletary, Harry Carson, Zach Thomas, Luke Kuechly is already there for me.

Steelers fans will say Jack Lambert (before Greg Lloyd or Joey Porter), but I didn't really see Lambert in his prime or Butkus at all.

but none of these guys are really close to LT.
Lewis is a HOF LB  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
But If its possible to be thAt good and over rated he’s both.

Never saw Butkus but Jack Lambert is up there for me. Derrick Thomas also. Some guys are great and in the right scheme. Some guys transcend scheme.

If Keuchley can stop having concussion issues hes moving up the
List. Dude is amazing.
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