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dep026 : 6/15/2019 6:34 pm
Hart, Ball, Ingram and three first round picks.

Laughing how people thought this wasn’t going to happen...
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The Lakers just mortgaged their  
Jon in NYC : 6/16/2019 11:42 am : link
future for a shot to win it next year, which is such a risky move. By the time this season is over Lebron will be 37 and on his last legs. Can’t think AD will stay long term if this season doesn’t go well. He won’t want to be there with no help once Lebron is done.

In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
Whoops Lebron will be  
Jon in NYC : 6/16/2019 11:43 am : link
35 next season. Same idea applies. You want to bank on him being your top gun ages 36-38 if he even plays that long?
On one of the talk radio programs on Friday, they were  
GiantsUA : 6/16/2019 11:57 am : link
discussing LBJ's game and how a big man camped in the paint does not compliment it.

We will see but I hope they fail.

Knicks need to proceed carefully. Stinks that KD is hurt, not so sure I want him at this point.
The Lakers has been as poorly run as the Knicks, but they  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/16/2019 11:58 am : link
manage to get all the breaks.

I am all in on Russell if his max is only 23M.

At this point I’d say no to Durant.
Have to hope the Knicks core develops  
moespree : 6/16/2019 12:05 pm : link
I doubt it to be honest. Don't think they're anywhere near what I've seen some hype them as. I think it's grim to be honest. I think that one moment in time with KD getting injured ruined everything and will lead the Knicks to further basketball purgatory. I'd be happy to be wrong on this and hope I am.
At least it’s over  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2019 12:09 pm : link
Ball and Ingram both have real potential, and you have 3 picks besides that including a chance to get a guy like Hunter who I think would be great next to Zion. Or flip that pick for a good player now.

Pelicans did well considering the circumstance. They will be very fun to watch with Zion.

Kemba is a very good player but I think the Lakers would be making a mistake if they’re just targeting him. They don’t need a Kemba next to LeBron/AD, they should be targeting Patrick Beverley and/or JJ Redick + veteran 3nD type wings imo.

Lakers have a 2-3 year window here with LeBron/AD and that’s a small window but 1 title makes this all worth it. I expect them to get at least 1 together. And if LeBron is a Karl Malone type of cyborg, maybe the window is even bigger.
Max Russell if you can  
Jon in NYC : 6/16/2019 12:11 pm : link
and max Durant. I’d almost rather have Russell at 23 for 23 mil than Kyrie at 28 for 31 or whatever it is.
RE: Have to hope the Knicks core develops  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/16/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14473538 moespree said:
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I doubt it to be honest. Don't think they're anywhere near what I've seen some hype them as. I think it's grim to be honest. I think that one moment in time with KD getting injured ruined everything and will lead the Knicks to further basketball purgatory. I'd be happy to be wrong on this and hope I am.


Our youngest player of our young core is Dotson at 25. Everyone else is 21 or younger. Can we give these guys a few years unlike the Lakers who dropped DLo and now we are talking about maxing him.

Players need development.
The Knicks are not in a bad spot  
Oscar : 6/16/2019 12:21 pm : link
They aren’t going to be a playoff team or anything but it’s not that grim. Cap flexibility, a young roster, have all our picks, a couple Dallas picks. Just keep trying to make good decisions, have the assets if a good opportunity presents itself.

I know people wanted a title contender overnight but the Knicks have been much worse off than they are now for most of the last twenty years.
people crowning the lakers  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2019 12:29 pm : link
are crazy imo.

they will be thin and need shooting. I'm not saying they shouldn't be considered a top 3 title odds squad now, but the title is still wide open.

where were all these Dlo fans and supporters during the regular season?
I’m starting to come around  
GMEN46 : 6/16/2019 12:33 pm : link
On maxing Russell it’s only $23 million. See if you can get randle On an overpriced 1 year deal with player option for year 2. There are no good free agents next year anyway so if he opts in then I’m fine with it. I think if they sign Russell they have to trade smith jr. No way i want him on the starting line up with Russell. I also would bring Mario back and see him running pg for second unit for an extended period of time. Not sure Barrett and Russell can start together in back court though.

Maybe starting line up looks like this:

PG - Russell
SG - Dotson
SF - Knox
PF - Randle
C - Mitch or Deandre

Bench
Mitch or Deandre
Wes Matthews
Barrett - playing 30 mins a night
Trier - if he doesn’t start being a better teammate then let him go at year end
Mario
Frank
Vonleh - being him back

I’m thinking this team has a shot at an 8 seed?
DEanglo Russell  
GMEN46 : 6/16/2019 12:35 pm : link
Can someone who watches him regularly provide some info on his defense, is it really bad?
RE: This is RISKY  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/16/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14473492 GiantGrit said:
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for the Lakers. They just signed away their draft rights for the next 5-7 years. Lebron is 35 now. Anthony Davis has injury concerns. Brian Windhorst said this has the potential to be Nets-Celtics 2.0, i don't think he is wrong.


Don't get this comparison at all. The Nets trade resulted in them getting ZERO prime seasons from Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett. They were both ancient and trending downward when that moronic trade was made. The Lakers traded for an elite player during his prime. AD still has realistically 5 years of top-flight performance left. And the Lakers got to keep the only one of their young players they really wanted.

Everything in the NBA is about narratives and who the basketball media likes. The Laker-fanboy media hyped up the young guys. David Griffin is somehow seen as a wonderful GM despite drafting Andrew Wiggins, hiring Dave Blatt, and signing Tristan Thompson and JR Smith to two of the worst contracts in NBA history.
RE: DEanglo Russell  
hitdog42 : 6/16/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14473557 GMEN46 said:
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Can someone who watches him regularly provide some info on his defense, is it really bad?


it got better as the season went on, but he is still a minus defender. he is helped by having length yo be able to play a half step off guys--- he needs to just keep getting stronger. I don't think he is a full on liability but ideally he is paired with a very good defending 2.

his excellence is his vision/shot/feel for the game on offense. Very few are as good pinning the guy on their back and creating shots for himself or others. he took the next step when his finishing got better and his 3pt shot a touch more consistent.

As a nets fan my heart would say sign Dlo, but i can't kid myself and pretend that Kyrie isnt a different level player.
RE: players don't care about turning around X franchise in any sport  
MookGiants : 6/16/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14473489 Eric on Li said:
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they go to the best situation for themselves personally - like every other human being in every other profession who gets a job offer. Do you think any software developer has ever thought "you know what, I really want to help turn Microsoft around" and put a value on that beyond tangible factors like money, who the boss is, what the role is, etc.

90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.


The Durant situation is much different than most. The injury throws a monkey wrench into things, but he's the only guy who would even consider leaving the current situation he's in, because thats definitely the best situation basketball wise and it's also where he can get the most money.

Durant leaving would be about his legacy and repairing the image of him taking the easy way out and going to a team that won without him.

If you're leaving for reasons like that, it would be important to go to a team like the Knicks over the Nets. Because if we're talking about what the best situation is, there's no argument to be made that the knicks or nets are even in the discussion with the warriors.

Durant leaving would be all about changing the public perception and his legacy. If that's what it's about, it wouldn't make much sense to go to the Nets
The risk for the lakers are the draft picks...  
Italianju : 6/16/2019 12:41 pm : link
In 6 years those picks could be valuable as hell. Lebron will be gone and what about the lakers FO has shown they will make smart moves the next couple years to make sure they can still compete when lebron is gone.

If I’m a laker fan I could care less about trading inrgram and ball. Ingram has solid role player upside to me. And ball stinks. He is a good backup PG as long as you are looking for a rebounder/distributor and not a shooter. They are only thought of highly because they are Lakers and top 3 picks. NO did well here cause that draft capital is impressive.
RE: The Knicks are not in a bad spot  
widmerseyebrow : 6/16/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14473549 Oscar said:
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They aren’t going to be a playoff team or anything but it’s not that grim. Cap flexibility, a young roster, have all our picks, a couple Dallas picks. Just keep trying to make good decisions, have the assets if a good opportunity presents itself.

I know people wanted a title contender overnight but the Knicks have been much worse off than they are now for most of the last twenty years.


Good perspective, but I'll be surprised the offseason the Knicks have money to spend and don't reflexively use it poorly in an attempt to curb disappointment.
In my view it will be very hard to make mistakes with the money  
GMEN46 : 6/16/2019 1:34 pm : link
If they strike out in KD and Kawhi. Then it seems hard to mess o unless they try to max Middleton. I don’t want kemba or butler under any circumstances, but there are certainly others that would like them. Also I am fine with middle tier free agents as long as they are 1 or 2 year deals. Next years free agent class is abysmal so we can afford 2 year deals.

A Middleton max would be devastating, he is not going to age well.



Bring back  
XBRONX : 6/16/2019 1:52 pm : link
Mario? He really sucks.What does he do well?
Question about this: How valuable are the pick swaps?  
81_Great_Dane : 6/16/2019 1:57 pm : link
I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?

Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
Swaps are a few years down the road  
Oscar : 6/16/2019 2:11 pm : link
LeBron will be finished or seriously diminished, there’s a chance the Lakers are not very good at that point. Nice to have the option at least for New Orleans.
Odds for the Lakers have jumped to win it all are now +350  
Stan in LA : 6/16/2019 2:22 pm : link
Next best is Bucks at +600.

That is overwhelming favorite status.

I don't see it with all that can/will go wrong.

RE: Question about this: How valuable are the pick swaps?  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/16/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14473603 81_Great_Dane said:
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I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?

Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.

Obviously that’s what the Lakers are hoping. And it may well we’ll work out that way. But teams have been burned by that thinking before, only to have injuries and other misfortunes result in them conveying high picks that turned into stars for somebody else.
RE: RE: Question about this: How valuable are the pick swaps?  
81_Great_Dane : 6/16/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14473633 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 14473603 81_Great_Dane said:


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I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?

Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.


Obviously that’s what the Lakers are hoping. And it may well we’ll work out that way. But teams have been burned by that thinking before, only to have injuries and other misfortunes result in them conveying high picks that turned into stars for somebody else.
The Lakers are gambling that they'll be better than the Pelicans, which is a decent bet. But if things fall apart, and the Lakers are bad, they're not going to be in good position to rebuild through the draft. Not that they really care about that...
Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2019 3:26 pm : link
In 4-5 years, Zion will demand a trade to the Lakers and make sure it doesn't happen.
RE: RE: players don't care about turning around X franchise in any sport  
Eric on Li : 6/16/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14473565 MookGiants said:
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The Durant situation is much different than most. The injury throws a monkey wrench into things, but he's the only guy who would even consider leaving the current situation he's in, because thats definitely the best situation basketball wise and it's also where he can get the most money.

Durant leaving would be about his legacy and repairing the image of him taking the easy way out and going to a team that won without him.

If you're leaving for reasons like that, it would be important to go to a team like the Knicks over the Nets. Because if we're talking about what the best situation is, there's no argument to be made that the knicks or nets are even in the discussion with the warriors.

Durant leaving would be all about changing the public perception and his legacy. If that's what it's about, it wouldn't make much sense to go to the Nets


He could repair his image going to the Clippers too and they might be the best team of the 3. Being in the unique situation he's in, predicting what KD would do was hard and now with the injury impossible. Last year Lebron chose LA because he just wanted to live there. The team wasn't good, management was completely unstable, etc. I suspect KD and Kawhi will similarly both just make their decisions based on which cities they'd prefer to live with LA + NY being most likely (or in Kawhi's case resigning in Toronto).
RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
christian : 6/16/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14473658 BrettNYG10 said:
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In 4-5 years, Zion will demand a trade to the Lakers and make sure it doesn't happen.


Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.

The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.
I find it hard to believe  
santacruzom : 6/16/2019 5:18 pm : link
LeBron saw all this coming... that Davis would insist in being traded in the first place, that the Lakers would win the 4th pick to use as an asset, that no one else would make the Pelicans a better offer, and that all this would transpire just before the season in which their biggest conference threat won't have their best player all year and their third best player until Feb at the earliest.
RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
Sean : 6/16/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14473658 BrettNYG10 said:
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In 4-5 years, Zion will demand a trade to the Lakers and make sure it doesn't happen.


Funny, sad & true.
RE: RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/16/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14473664 christian said:
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Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.

The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.

The whole reason he’s refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.
RE: RE: RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
PhiPsi125 : 6/16/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14473746 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.

The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.


The whole reason he’s refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.


Can any team give that to him or just the Lakers?

Not that it matters, all things being equal with the money...he’s not leaving LA unless LeBron really pisses him off. Which I don’t see happening because LeBron only bullies younger, non-superstar players.
RE: RE: RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
christian : 6/16/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14473746 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 14473664 christian said:


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Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.

The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.


The whole reason he’s refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.


Or he's keeping his options open like James and Durant have a number of times in the last few years.
RE: Lebron has completely  
Mdgiantsfan : 6/16/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14473017 GMEN46 said:
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Ruined any chance of being in the Jordan conversation. I don’t even consider him a 1B.


That ended with “The Decision”! This version of the NBA is AAU at its worst.
RE: Nets  
Mdgiantsfan : 6/16/2019 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14473426 GMEN46 said:
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Can the Nets create room for Kyrie, Durant and Russell. Rick Bucher reporting that Kyrie is working on KD for Brooklyn. I still cannot understand how someone would choose the Nets over the Knicks even with how bad they have managed the team in the past. Why would you want to play for a team with no fan base that no one cares about. No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.

This sounds so arrogant. The Knicks have been a joke for quite some time and you wonder why someone wouldn’t to come to town? Durant’s not turning the Knicks around without significant help. AD wasn’t turning that team around without significant help. I don’t know if last year was a fluke for the Nets, but they show much better promise on the court and in the front office.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings  
christian : 6/16/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14473753 PhiPsi125 said:
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Not that it matters, all things being equal with the money...he’s not leaving LA unless LeBron really pisses him off. Which I don’t see happening because LeBron only bullies younger, non-superstar players.


I don't think Davis would leave LeBron, I think he'll keep his options open to correspond with LeBron's contract ending.

I don't think Davis and his crew would be wise for him to be 29, James retires after year 19 in the league, and be tied to a Lakers team racing to the bottom with Pelicans.
Lebron is 34  
Vanzetti : 6/16/2019 7:01 pm : link
He does not turn 35 until December

Lakers likely have a four-year window until LJ turns 38

I could see their winning two championships in the next four years. I could also see their winning none.

Keeping Kuzma is huge because of how the economics work
I do think  
GMEN46 : 6/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
Lebron has 4 elite years in him. He is not a shooter and he is not going to age well. I think it’s a 2 year maybe 3 year window max. I really hope Kyrie goes there I think it will end up blowing up in their faces.
RE: The Lakers just mortgaged their  
djm : 6/16/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14473523 Jon in NYC said:
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future for a shot to win it next year, which is such a risky move. By the time this season is over Lebron will be 37 and on his last legs. Can’t think AD will stay long term if this season doesn’t go well. He won’t want to be there with no help once Lebron is done.

In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.


Hope so. We’ll see if they can’t get a 3rd and then I might agree it could backfire but if they get that 3rd the lakers all but ensure they will be a +50 win team for the next few years. They will be giving up 28th overall picks but by years 4-5-6 maybe they suck and have to part with actual quality. I just don’t see it they will be fine.
Listening to Simmons/Russillo podcast  
GMEN46 : 6/17/2019 7:20 am : link
They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft it’s crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys aren’t saying it’s 100 percent true but it’s what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.

I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.

I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
nobody knows anything  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2019 7:31 am : link
..
...  
christian : 6/17/2019 7:35 am : link
Players aren't avoiding the Knicks because it's a challenge -- their agents and others who've been involved in basketball know Dolan is a dreadful owner. It's going to take time for the basketball world to trust the Knicks aren't always on the verge of doing something idiotic.

Really glad the Knicks didn't try to match that package.  
Heisenberg : 6/17/2019 7:40 am : link
It makes a little sense if you already have LeBron, but not for the Knicks. I'm relieved they didn't give up all the future value for this one guy and then have nothing left to surround him with.

Wait  
Harvest Blend : 6/17/2019 9:24 am : link
there are Lakers fans on this site? Front run much?
RE: Listening to Simmons/Russillo podcast  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/17/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14473975 GMEN46 said:
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They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft it’s crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys aren’t saying it’s 100 percent true but it’s what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.

I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.

I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.


Spoiler alert dammit! I'm planning on listening to that later :-)
RE: Listening to Simmons/Russillo podcast  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/17/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14473975 GMEN46 said:
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They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft it’s crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys aren’t saying it’s 100 percent true but it’s what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.

I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.

I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.


Two Words Bud. James Dolan.
RE: Listening to Simmons/Russillo podcast  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/17/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14473975 GMEN46 said:
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They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft it’s crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys aren’t saying it’s 100 percent true but it’s what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.

I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.

I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.


2 months ago, Simmons said he heard KD was 100% GUARANTEED signing with the Knicks. Basically, he has no idea what he's talking about.
RE: ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/17/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14473982 christian said:
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Players aren't avoiding the Knicks because it's a challenge -- their agents and others who've been involved in basketball know Dolan is a dreadful owner. It's going to take time for the basketball world to trust the Knicks aren't always on the verge of doing something idiotic.


Enough of the Dolan nonsense.
Players can give two shits who the owner is  
nygiants16 : 6/17/2019 10:50 am : link
as long as they give the player what they want and spend money, besides oakley, who has hated the knicks since he was traded, can you name me 1 player who has said a bad word about dolan?

Have the knicks sucked since he took over? absolutely but not everything is dolans fault
RE: Players can give two shits who the owner is  
Greg from LI : 6/17/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14474155 nygiants16 said:
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absolutely but not everything is dolans fault


Ultimately, it IS all his fault. Who hired these fiascoes who have been mismanaging the team for two decades? Who keeps Steve Mills and Allan Houston around for no apparent reason?

It's not that Dolan meddles in everything, it's that he repeatedly hires terrible people and then doesn't hold them accountable for the wretched state of the franchise.
Dolan has totally earned this reputation  
Heisenberg : 6/17/2019 11:03 am : link
He hired Isiah, watched him run the franchise deeper into the ground, then defended him with the sexual harrassment case and even let that go to trial (!!!!). They lost and then later on Dolan STILL brought Isiah back to run the WNBA team. And that's just a sliver of the dumb shit he's done.

That said, I think he tried to step back and let Phil do his thing. Phil was just terrible. Now he's still stepped back with the current regime but his reputation is well earned as a guy who fucks up the franchise. I don't think it's crazy to think that people are hesitant to sign on with the Knicks because he's an idiot. At a minimum, it's a negative strike against the team. You know that Mills and Perry will have to explain to any FA of consequence how Dolan will not be fucking up the team.
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