No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
yea...I hope the knicks management wouldn't be stupid enough to trade 3 1st round picks. Thats what got them AD, not Lonzo, Ingram and josh hart. Great deal for the pelicans regardless
yea...I hope the knicks management wouldn't be stupid enough to trade 3 1st round picks. Thats what got them AD, not Lonzo, Ingram and josh hart. Great deal for the pelicans regardless
For a rental. Imagine if we lost RJ, Mitch, DSJ, Knox, and two other first round picks. For a rental.
We'll see how this all plays out yet.
RE: RE: But Knicks fans told me they had the better package?
No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
I look forward to checking back in a year and seeing Knicks fans talking about another star coming to them who inevitably doesnt.
No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
I look forward to checking back in a year and seeing Knicks fans talking about another star coming to them who inevitably doesnt.
Dumbest fan base in sports.
Almost as much as you not understanding the difference between the Knicks being able to put a better package together amd actually putting a better package together or reading that once KD wemt down that changed the Knicks plans. But keep on keeping on.
You won't be such a whiny bitch once you experience basketball in June.
Happy birthday Jon!
Who is whining? You are beating your chest like you just accomplished something based on false info and then criticize an entire fan base. You want me to be like you? No thanks. I'd rather punch myself in the dick repeatedly.
to criticize the Knicks amd their fans how about you actually try being excited for acquiring AD? You are more comcerned with thinking you are right and more comcerned with Knicks fans. Do you root for the Jets because you act like a Jets fan that is more concerned with being better than the Giants tham how their team actually is.
How would that be different from any other day as a Knicks fan?
I wouldn't have to listen to you.
Yet you're responding to my every post?
^That is an NBA champion btw.
And a rapist. I'm responding because you act like you are 12. Again, you got AD so what do you do on this thread? Oh, that's right, you just go after Knicks fans.
yea...I hope the knicks management wouldn't be stupid enough to trade 3 1st round picks. Thats what got them AD, not Lonzo, Ingram and josh hart. Great deal for the pelicans regardless
For a rental. Imagine if we lost RJ, Mitch, DSJ, Knox, and two other first round picks. For a rental.
We'll see how this all plays out yet.
AD may want to stay in L.A. But if he went over to the Clippers who have a nice team these days and are ahead of the Lakers heads would explode in Laker world.
unprotected? Theoretically this could turn out to be a disaster trade for the Lakers. If they don't win it all next season and Davis bolts then the Lakers could regret this trade.
I doubt any of this happens but it is a possibility to consider.
I think my head would explode if Kyrie signed on with the Lakers, and as impossible as that might have been a week ago, I don't think it is any longer.
Maybe now LeBron will have someone to sit next to on the bench
With lakers then brooklyn. Thats an interesting dynamic of perosnalities and a ton o injury risk. Its only a matter of time until Lebron has a major injury. The Kyrie Lebron Davis dynamic may end up making Davis want to leave. That would be best case scenario for knicks.
Lost the Zion sweepstakes
KD ruptures his Achilles
AD lands elsewhere
Kyrie is (likely) headed to Brooklyn (fine by me)
Kawhi wins a title in Toronto (making them a more likely landing spot)
RE: RE: But Knicks fans told me they had the better package?
No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Lost the Zion sweepstakes
KD ruptures his Achilles
AD lands elsewhere
Kyrie is (likely) headed to Brooklyn (fine by me)
Kawhi wins a title in Toronto (making them a more likely landing spot)
For me personally, the only issue was KD. We knew well in advance that getting the top pick was most likely not happening. We just gave ourselves the best chamce possible. I wanted a top 3 pick and possibly top 4. We got that. Expecting anything more was just unrealistic. Hoping is a better word for mose.
AD was never a priority for me. Makes no sense to gut the team imo. Yes, on paper, he is worth the players we'd give up in a vacuum but it isn't a vacuum. We need to build a team and we are headed in the right direction.
Kyrie isn't making or breaking any offseason for me. I think most Knicks fans were in the sams boat as me where if he was needed to get KD then great. If not, that is fine too. He is a talent but he also comes with a lot of baggage.
Leonard was never a real possibility in my eyes but with KD going down I think he is more of a target now than before KD's injury.
RE: RE: I wonder if Kawhi stays away from the Clippers now.
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Ya know the Lakers will add Kyrie, Kemba or Butler, and the Clippers will stay second fiddle.
I still get the feeling kyrie ends up on the knicks with KD...
Knicks sign a bunch of vets along with deandre and try to make a playoff run and hope kd can come back for playoffs
Love to eat my words in a year, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect KD to have any positive effect being less than a year out from a ruptured achilles by next years playoffs. It would be big if he was cleared / healthy enough to play, but it'll take at least a few months if not an entire season to get to wherever his post injury 100% will be, as well as to adjust to his weakened ups & quicks. Tho IMO his game might be 'easiest,' it will still take a decent amount of time to do so you'd think
Kyrie is going to Brooklyn, KD will probably join him.
Esp at the cost (and assuming NO wasn't big on our guys so wanted more picks), I'm fine they didn't get AD. Much better to go full bore in FA next year, whether that's w/ a healing KD (and Kyrie) or w/ the young squad and all the picks for draft or a future, more sensible trade than an AD rental
Still hope they find a way to go all out on Kawhi, even chase ACL Klay, but obviously that seems a pipe dream
Well, now we know why the Vegas made the Lakers the favorite
to win the 2020 NBA title when the odds came out yesterday. They knew.
They are clearly in win-now mode, which is smart for them. LBJ is in the autumn of his career, he's in win-now mode, too. Plus the Clippers were threatening to make the Lakers the second team in L.A. That is almost impossible but the Lakers were so bad and so dysfunctional, and the Clippers have been run so well, it could have happened. Now, at least the Lakers go into the season with championship aspirations.
But they seem to be betting their future on being the Lakers which means being a place that players want to go to for their own reasons rather than being good at finding young players. Laker fans are used to imported stars going back to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq, they won't mind.
Kris Middleton. He plays like an old man. I hate his game. I think I could be talked into a max for D Russell and a 1 year deal for randle. I think Russell is good value at that price and also could be used in a deal down the road if needed to get a bigger star.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Im sure thats the plan. But a lot can happen in a year, and Im quite sure Davis will have no compunction about leaving if things dont go well.
Esp at the cost (and assuming NO wasn't big on our guys so wanted more picks), I'm fine they didn't get AD. Much better to go full bore in FA next year, whether that's w/ a healing KD (and Kyrie) or w/ the young squad and all the picks for draft or a future, more sensible trade than an AD rental
Still hope they find a way to go all out on Kawhi, even chase ACL Klay, but obviously that seems a pipe dream
I like Klay's game even better than Durant's and I think that Klay's long-term health prospects are better than KD's. However I doubt he's willing to leave the Warriors and if Barrett pans out, the Knicks will be ok at shooting guard either way. It sure would be fun to have the problem of playing both of them at once, though.
How can you throw all that money at Durant when he has a ruptured achilles? That's a very very difficult injury to come back from. Rupture = full tear. Ugh.
to win the 2020 NBA title when the odds came out yesterday. They knew.
They are clearly in win-now mode, which is smart for them. LBJ is in the autumn of his career, he's in win-now mode, too. Plus the Clippers were threatening to make the Lakers the second team in L.A. That is almost impossible but the Lakers were so bad and so dysfunctional, and the Clippers have been run so well, it could have happened. Now, at least the Lakers go into the season with championship aspirations.
But they seem to be betting their future on being the Lakers which means being a place that players want to go to for their own reasons rather than being good at finding young players. Laker fans are used to imported stars going back to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq, they won't mind.
Kobe was imported too. He was a Hornet for a few minutes.
Does this increase Toronto's odds of keeping Kawhi
Tho I still think KD's adjustment in game <might> be easier as Klay's involves a heavy motor. His J will be ok even if he becomes more a set shooter, but a drop in quicks / speed means getting open will be totally different given his constant run around
Tho achilles is worse, KD already gets limited hop and doesn't attack the rim quite like that (Westbrook, DRose etc), even his fadeaway Js are more length than lift. Not easy, but easier (maybe)
Obviously it's all conjecture well before we even know health. ACLs are way better than they were, but still can't expect 100% recovery and achilles are still awful
The money to KD is betting he'll still be a very good player at min (based on history, his attitude / work ethic and age). So it's surely risky but I get it and why NYK won't be the only one offering a max...
RE: But Knicks fans told me they had the better package?
which they couldn't do if AD wasn't going to resign there.
I'm happy for the Pelicans that they got good value for 1 year remaining (on top of winning the lotto) plus 3 solid young players and future picks. If I were them I'd probably just flip #4 for 2 of the Hawks picks and then take a guard and forward. Or maybe since this is a flat draft you move down 5-10 picks this year and try to get another lotto pick for next year.
I don't mind the Lakers getting Davis, everything is more fun when Lebron is doing ridiculous things in the playoffs/finals. With Davis he should be in contention for the rest of his career.
RE: Thought New Orleans was playing hardball for Kuzma
Who the hell knows what'll come of that? I'm meh on Ball. Hart is no Kuzma.
Kuzma is a 3 point specialist who shot 30% last year, after ending his rookie season at 36%. He had a hot few months shooting 40% and since then he's basically just been a volume shooter. He's got decent athleticism, BBIQ, and his stroke is nice so in a good situation I'd guess he's closer to 36% going forward that's a role player.
Ingram (if healthy) and Ball have starter upside. Hart's obvious a couple tiers below the other 2 but I do like him as bench piece.
Because the Lakers always fall assbackwards into this.
This x 100.
Its just funny that a grown adult would talk shit about even being a lakers fan if youre a nyg fan as well. Then to rub it in when the lakers once again just step in shit, and yes they step in shit because they are the lakers and woooopdy fucking dooooo. You root for Coca Cola of the nba. The lakers hold an unfair advantage more than any other pro franchise. Even more so than the Yankees. It is what it is......oh good for you Christian bale meltdown mode)
The Clippers can pair Leonard with another max, and build for the medium-term.
The Lakers absolutely lucked into it -- half of Golden State's stars tear tendons, they jump from 11 to 4 in the draft, after James decides he wants to jump start his post-career.
Last year who said Lebron didnt go to the Lakers to form a super team. This offseason was the one where he could get the players he wanted and the process begins. This has been in the fold for over a year and when more come, Ill continue to laugh.
At some point people will realize that Lebron has been and will continue to be bad for the league as long as he and his friends continue to dictate player movement.
LBJ wanted AD & he got him. Now they'll fill out their roster with Kemba or some other max player & vets playing on minimums to get a ring. They'll be playing in June next year.
I freaking hate the Lakers. Goddammit. Even 2 1/2 hours later, I'm still pissed.
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Gonna be interesting to see the details on the Picks LA just gave NOLA. From what I understand the Pelicans didnt want Lakers FRP next year. But through pick swaps they essentially have control of the Lakers draft for the next 7 years.
Way I read this, going out seven years, Pels have right to swap first round picks in the four years they don't have the Lakers' pick outright.
There is really no reason for anyone to be a Lakers fan if you are a Giants fan. Watching the pretty purple and gold uniforms on Magic and Kareem every week isnt a legit reason. That means the adults didnt raise you right.
Fuck the Lakers.
Without KD, I dont think trading half the team and all those picks would have been a good move. Ive warmed up to Russell. Lets get it done.
Impressive power play by AD/ Rich Paul/ Lebron. They picked and chose
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Impressive power play by AD/ Rich Paul/ Lebron. They picked and chose
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
The deadline offer had no way to guarantee the 4th pick, that alone makes this a stronger deal.
Paul and James played this well, but they were able to fast-forward it by a year or half by lucking into the pick.
Impressive power play by AD/ Rich Paul/ Lebron. They picked and chose
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Wrong they got tons of draft capital in this deal that is being under reported right now. Not only did they get 3 1st rd picks including this years 4th pick, they are also getting rights to pick swaps for the next 5 to 7 years in years they don't get their 1st round pick. This trade has the potential to turn out really badly for the lakers
They werent winning with the shitbirds they traded, they are irrelevant. I would bet many teams in the league wouldnt trade for them for their best player. They got Anthony fn Davis, one of the best players in the game. They have 5 guys on the roster to speak of and cap room. More is going to come. And if it doesnt work out....
Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
They werent winning with the shitbirds they traded, they are irrelevant. I would bet many teams in the league wouldnt trade for them for their best player. They got Anthony fn Davis, one of the best players in the game. They have 5 guys on the roster to speak of and cap room. More is going to come. And if it doesnt work out....
Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
The downside is the pelicans own the lakers draft for the next 5 to 7 years so if something goes wrong such as injuries, under performance etc it can be devastating for them
RE: RE: RE: But Knicks fans told me they had the better package?
No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Thanks for the correction. I missed that connection. Oh well. Good for the Lakers. They really needed some good fortune after their tough run of things...
it was the same deal with CP3, Melo, Dwight etc. At least LA had to give up a solid package. 2x recent #2 overall picks (both 21 years old), the #4 in this draft, at least 2 more firsts in the future (plus swaps), and a decent role player in Hart. Considering the last 2 first round picks the Lakers gave up on are about to cash in as FA and they got almost nothing back for them, it's not like they are infallible. Obviously no guarantees Ball/Ingram go on to develop like Russell/Randle did, but that's not the point, the upside is there.
of what it once was. Its a superstar league run by the players at this point. I keep trying to get back into it but its just not the same as it once was. I think I was spoiled growing up watching Jordan, Bird, Ewing, Magic, Barkley, Olajuwon, etc.
end of this trade could make it depending on how much left in the tank LeBron has; Pelicans controlling all the Lakers picks in 23-24-25 when Lebron is 39-40-41;
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The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:
No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in 22
Unprotected swap in 23
Unprotected first in 24
Unprotected swap in 25
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
Is there a single Knicks fan who really thought they would get Zion? Hoped? Sure. Thought? Why would anyone think that? Odds were against it. That's the point of the lottery it's a disincentive to tank. Worst team in the league has a lousy chance of landing the #1 overall pick anyway.
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
They tanked all year because their best player blew out his knee the season before and wasn't going to play any games during the 2018-2019 season. Getting those 3 players became part of the plan later.
As for the trade, desperation makes people do weird things. The Lakers were basically the only team seriously trying to get AD and still gave up everything except for Kuzma. (BOS was never going to trade Tatum and the Knicks apparently bowed out from serious offers last week due to the threat of AD not signing an extension.) Now granted IMO, Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated and no one really looks at Josh Hart as a NBA starter. AD got what he wanted. I'm still not sure how the "David Griffin is a super GM" narrative played out here. He didn't do anything differently than Dell Demps would've eventually done.
but if they go with russell, randle and other younger vets and add them to this current roster, yeah it is not kd and irving but you have a good young team that you get to watch grow...
and RJ Barrett can be an alpha offensively, he wants the ball and wants the big shots
and let the kids grow, this could be fun for quite a while. The massive number of first round picks we have, including the two from Dallas, could well be enhanced by a late first round or very early second round pick for Ntilikina. We are going to have massive amounts of very young players to build with, and likely another high pick in 2020. NBA DRaftnet has, for example, Andrew Wiseman as the firth pick in 2020. He's a huge, athletic center--and a high school senior right now.
I didnt watch a whole lot of the nets this year but from what i know he had a breakout year offensively. I remember tracking him during that draft year and remember him being abysmal on defense at Ohio state. I am assuming that i the same today? I am assuming his still pretty slow?
to let another team control your draft for that long. Especially when your team is a 35 year old Lebron and a guy who has had some injury issues. I mean you make this trade if your LA, take your chance lebron still has a few years left (he does) and AD can play 70+ games a year. THat said this would scare the hell out of me if im a laker fan.
But after the Durant injury and Rich Pauls power play in the SI article, what sense did the trade really make at that point for a team in the Knicks situation?
AD would have most likely been by himself for the year (even if Durant was on the team) not won anything and then bolt after the year anyway.
The Lakers of course wind up the beneficiaries of all of this because as stated above, they gave up a bunch of shitbirds.
Lots of tough luck for the Knicks so far but Ive said all along, all will not be lost unless they start throwing stupid money around.
Draft Barrett, see how the Kawhi meeting goes, and keep tabs on Russell is Kyrie goes to BK.
this has been a letdown, but mostly cause of the KD injury. Def takes the air out of our sails. IM still ok signing him but it doesnt make us the contender next year we were hoping to be. I dont mind russell as he is cheaper and younger then Kyrie. But he also isnt as good, ha. Knicks have to play the slow game now. Lets just hope they continue to just add young talent and hope they hit a HR on a pick.
he could be a guy whose best days are still ahead or he could be the guy who is inconsistent and never puts it all together. He had some great stretches last year and played pretty well in LA at times as well.
RE: what kind of contract do we think Randle gets....
he could be a guy whose best days are still ahead or he could be the guy who is inconsistent and never puts it all together. He had some great stretches last year and played pretty well in LA at times as well.
Can the Nets create room for Kyrie, Durant and Russell. Rick Bucher reporting that Kyrie is working on KD for Brooklyn. I still cannot understand how someone would choose the Nets over the Knicks even with how bad they have managed the team in the past. Why would you want to play for a team with no fan base that no one cares about. No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
Can the Nets create room for Kyrie, Durant and Russell. Rick Bucher reporting that Kyrie is working on KD for Brooklyn. I still cannot understand how someone would choose the Nets over the Knicks even with how bad they have managed the team in the past. Why would you want to play for a team with no fan base that no one cares about. No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
No, they still are 3 million short for kd and irving...
And by all accounts KD does not want to go to brooklyn...
but only because of the Durant injury. The Zion thing was always a long shot, and an Anthony Davis trade was probably just as unlikely as well.
The main hope going into the offseason was signing KD, bringing in a second banana like Kyrie or Kemba, and contending in the East next season. Those signings can still happen, but without KD being able to play this year, we are looking at most likely another "lost" season.
It sounds like the goal is to still pursue Durant (which for all we know is because there was already some kind of handshake agreement in place), but the hope would be that with the the Durant injury, the front office is ready to shift gears. I think the best course of action would be one of the 3 scenarios:
1. Go after Kawhi. The odds of him leaving Toronto after winning the title are slim, but who knows, maybe he was turned off by them cheering Durant's injury. Kawhi is the fastest path to contention in 2020, and a team featuring Kawhi and Kyrie or Kemba is as good as anyone in the East.
2. Make a run at the top young free agents (this is one that nygiants16 has been advocating for). Primary target in this scenario would be D'Angelo Russell, and hinges on Brooklyn signing Kyrie and allowing Russell to walk. Beyond Kawhi and a healthy KD, D'Angelo to me would be the best possible get this summer. He is already an All-Star, and I think he is just going to continue to get better over the next 3+ years, throw max money at him without hesitation. Other potential fits in this strategy, depending on cost, would be:
- Julius Randle
- Kevon Looney
- Terry Rozier
- Malcolm Brogdon
3. Stand pat, develop the young guys, and make a run at star at a later date (either through free agency or trade). Everyone shits on the Lakers and how poorly they have been run, but there is a lesson to be learned from what's transpired over the last couple of seasons. There is value to having a bunch of young guys with potential on your roster, even if the end game isn't to keep them as your core, but to try and build a "super team." Maybe guys like Dennis Smith, Kevin Knox, Mitch Robinson, etc. don't have a ton of trade value right now, but if they get minutes next year and play well, then it will be much easier to send a package of those guys out for the next star that demands a trade. Hopefully things pan out and RJ Barrett turns into a star, let's focus on him and the other youngsters and see what options that brings us along the way.
just stay the course. Develop the young guys. Sign KD. Let him sit for a year. Another top pick next year. Unfortunately we have another year of this bullshit.
But it's the right way to do this. Things are looking up for the Knicks.. or so I hope.
players don't care about turning around X franchise in any sport
they go to the best situation for themselves personally - like every other human being in every other profession who gets a job offer. Do you think any software developer has ever thought "you know what, I really want to help turn Microsoft around" and put a value on that beyond tangible factors like money, who the boss is, what the role is, etc.
90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.
for the Lakers. They just signed away their draft rights for the next 5-7 years. Lebron is 35 now. Anthony Davis has injury concerns. Brian Windhorst said this has the potential to be Nets-Celtics 2.0, i don't think he is wrong. I think i would have risked waiting a year for AD. Yes they now have a chance to win next year, but i would not be comfortable with jeopardizing my long term stability like that. I actually liked the idea of the Lakers trading young talent to the Wizards for Bradley Beal, who is not as good as Davis but is a perfect fit next to Lebron.
Even with that criticism, the Lakers will now sign a top guard and probably make the finals, and i get to hear how legendary Lebron is for creating another super team. Tired of it. I've grown to love watching him play. Everything else about him is just too much for me.
Other than, perhaps, the overwhelming desire to finally be relevant
I dont get why the Knicks would still consider signing Durant. History alone tells us that an Achilles rupture greatly diminishes an nba player. Nothing good seemingly ever happens for this franchise. Why would anyone think thatll change by KD remaining KD in 2020-2021 at 32?
I get it. It fucking sucks to have had endured the constant losing year after year and when the light at the end of the tunnel was finally upon us, the entire team transformation plan go up in flames. Smart teams adapt. Lets see if these guys go a different route. Personally, that means no KD, sign Russell, draft RJ, keep finding gems outside of round 1 like Mitch and Trier, and play the long game.
Personally, I'm excited about RJ and pairing it with our young core. I have little belief Frank will turn into anything more than what he has already shown offensively. I get he's still young. But I don't think he is a Knick opening day.
They just got the best best big man in the nba who is 26 years old. They gave up NOTHING. When they are winning 55-60 games these next 2-3 years no will remember the backup mediocre talents they jettisoned. Fucking garbage. Teams could have beaten that offer in spades. Lakers are such a blessed stepped in shit franchise its sickening.
Anything less than a championship is a complete failure for the Lakers. Lebron is a year older and just had his first significant injury of his career. Its awesome to have superstars and the Knicks certainly need it but its hard to win without any depth. Everything has to got their way to win it all. In my view they have a 2 year window. I think Lebrons decline will slightly start this year and I would imagine another leg down after next year. They also will have absolutely no trading capabilities until 2025. They will only be able to make moves via mid level and min contracts moving forward. Its a risk they had to take or Lebron was going to leave or asked to be traded, but lets not act like they are going to just run through the league and win a championship. It wont be easy l, pelicans made out the best they possibly can, they pretty much own the lakers future for he next 7 years.
future for a shot to win it next year, which is such a risky move. By the time this season is over Lebron will be 37 and on his last legs. Cant think AD will stay long term if this season doesnt go well. He wont want to be there with no help once Lebron is done.
In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
I doubt it to be honest. Don't think they're anywhere near what I've seen some hype them as. I think it's grim to be honest. I think that one moment in time with KD getting injured ruined everything and will lead the Knicks to further basketball purgatory. I'd be happy to be wrong on this and hope I am.
Ball and Ingram both have real potential, and you have 3 picks besides that including a chance to get a guy like Hunter who I think would be great next to Zion. Or flip that pick for a good player now.
Pelicans did well considering the circumstance. They will be very fun to watch with Zion.
Kemba is a very good player but I think the Lakers would be making a mistake if theyre just targeting him. They dont need a Kemba next to LeBron/AD, they should be targeting Patrick Beverley and/or JJ Redick + veteran 3nD type wings imo.
Lakers have a 2-3 year window here with LeBron/AD and thats a small window but 1 title makes this all worth it. I expect them to get at least 1 together. And if LeBron is a Karl Malone type of cyborg, maybe the window is even bigger.
I doubt it to be honest. Don't think they're anywhere near what I've seen some hype them as. I think it's grim to be honest. I think that one moment in time with KD getting injured ruined everything and will lead the Knicks to further basketball purgatory. I'd be happy to be wrong on this and hope I am.
Our youngest player of our young core is Dotson at 25. Everyone else is 21 or younger. Can we give these guys a few years unlike the Lakers who dropped DLo and now we are talking about maxing him.
They arent going to be a playoff team or anything but its not that grim. Cap flexibility, a young roster, have all our picks, a couple Dallas picks. Just keep trying to make good decisions, have the assets if a good opportunity presents itself.
I know people wanted a title contender overnight but the Knicks have been much worse off than they are now for most of the last twenty years.
On maxing Russell its only $23 million. See if you can get randle On an overpriced 1 year deal with player option for year 2. There are no good free agents next year anyway so if he opts in then Im fine with it. I think if they sign Russell they have to trade smith jr. No way i want him on the starting line up with Russell. I also would bring Mario back and see him running pg for second unit for an extended period of time. Not sure Barrett and Russell can start together in back court though.
Maybe starting line up looks like this:
PG - Russell
SG - Dotson
SF - Knox
PF - Randle
C - Mitch or Deandre
Bench
Mitch or Deandre
Wes Matthews
Barrett - playing 30 mins a night
Trier - if he doesnt start being a better teammate then let him go at year end
Mario
Frank
Vonleh - being him back
for the Lakers. They just signed away their draft rights for the next 5-7 years. Lebron is 35 now. Anthony Davis has injury concerns. Brian Windhorst said this has the potential to be Nets-Celtics 2.0, i don't think he is wrong.
Don't get this comparison at all. The Nets trade resulted in them getting ZERO prime seasons from Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett. They were both ancient and trending downward when that moronic trade was made. The Lakers traded for an elite player during his prime. AD still has realistically 5 years of top-flight performance left. And the Lakers got to keep the only one of their young players they really wanted.
Everything in the NBA is about narratives and who the basketball media likes. The Laker-fanboy media hyped up the young guys. David Griffin is somehow seen as a wonderful GM despite drafting Andrew Wiggins, hiring Dave Blatt, and signing Tristan Thompson and JR Smith to two of the worst contracts in NBA history.
Can someone who watches him regularly provide some info on his defense, is it really bad?
it got better as the season went on, but he is still a minus defender. he is helped by having length yo be able to play a half step off guys--- he needs to just keep getting stronger. I don't think he is a full on liability but ideally he is paired with a very good defending 2.
his excellence is his vision/shot/feel for the game on offense. Very few are as good pinning the guy on their back and creating shots for himself or others. he took the next step when his finishing got better and his 3pt shot a touch more consistent.
As a nets fan my heart would say sign Dlo, but i can't kid myself and pretend that Kyrie isnt a different level player.
RE: players don't care about turning around X franchise in any sport
they go to the best situation for themselves personally - like every other human being in every other profession who gets a job offer. Do you think any software developer has ever thought "you know what, I really want to help turn Microsoft around" and put a value on that beyond tangible factors like money, who the boss is, what the role is, etc.
90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.
The Durant situation is much different than most. The injury throws a monkey wrench into things, but he's the only guy who would even consider leaving the current situation he's in, because thats definitely the best situation basketball wise and it's also where he can get the most money.
Durant leaving would be about his legacy and repairing the image of him taking the easy way out and going to a team that won without him.
If you're leaving for reasons like that, it would be important to go to a team like the Knicks over the Nets. Because if we're talking about what the best situation is, there's no argument to be made that the knicks or nets are even in the discussion with the warriors.
Durant leaving would be all about changing the public perception and his legacy. If that's what it's about, it wouldn't make much sense to go to the Nets
In 6 years those picks could be valuable as hell. Lebron will be gone and what about the lakers FO has shown they will make smart moves the next couple years to make sure they can still compete when lebron is gone.
If Im a laker fan I could care less about trading inrgram and ball. Ingram has solid role player upside to me. And ball stinks. He is a good backup PG as long as you are looking for a rebounder/distributor and not a shooter. They are only thought of highly because they are Lakers and top 3 picks. NO did well here cause that draft capital is impressive.
They arent going to be a playoff team or anything but its not that grim. Cap flexibility, a young roster, have all our picks, a couple Dallas picks. Just keep trying to make good decisions, have the assets if a good opportunity presents itself.
I know people wanted a title contender overnight but the Knicks have been much worse off than they are now for most of the last twenty years.
Good perspective, but I'll be surprised the offseason the Knicks have money to spend and don't reflexively use it poorly in an attempt to curb disappointment.
In my view it will be very hard to make mistakes with the money
If they strike out in KD and Kawhi. Then it seems hard to mess o unless they try to max Middleton. I dont want kemba or butler under any circumstances, but there are certainly others that would like them. Also I am fine with middle tier free agents as long as they are 1 or 2 year deals. Next years free agent class is abysmal so we can afford 2 year deals.
A Middleton max would be devastating, he is not going to age well.
I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?
Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
LeBron will be finished or seriously diminished, theres a chance the Lakers are not very good at that point. Nice to have the option at least for New Orleans.
Odds for the Lakers have jumped to win it all are now +350
I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?
Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
Obviously thats what the Lakers are hoping. And it may well well work out that way. But teams have been burned by that thinking before, only to have injuries and other misfortunes result in them conveying high picks that turned into stars for somebody else.
RE: RE: Question about this: How valuable are the pick swaps?
I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?
Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
Obviously thats what the Lakers are hoping. And it may well well work out that way. But teams have been burned by that thinking before, only to have injuries and other misfortunes result in them conveying high picks that turned into stars for somebody else.
The Lakers are gambling that they'll be better than the Pelicans, which is a decent bet. But if things fall apart, and the Lakers are bad, they're not going to be in good position to rebuild through the draft. Not that they really care about that...
Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings
The Durant situation is much different than most. The injury throws a monkey wrench into things, but he's the only guy who would even consider leaving the current situation he's in, because thats definitely the best situation basketball wise and it's also where he can get the most money.
Durant leaving would be about his legacy and repairing the image of him taking the easy way out and going to a team that won without him.
If you're leaving for reasons like that, it would be important to go to a team like the Knicks over the Nets. Because if we're talking about what the best situation is, there's no argument to be made that the knicks or nets are even in the discussion with the warriors.
Durant leaving would be all about changing the public perception and his legacy. If that's what it's about, it wouldn't make much sense to go to the Nets
He could repair his image going to the Clippers too and they might be the best team of the 3. Being in the unique situation he's in, predicting what KD would do was hard and now with the injury impossible. Last year Lebron chose LA because he just wanted to live there. The team wasn't good, management was completely unstable, etc. I suspect KD and Kawhi will similarly both just make their decisions based on which cities they'd prefer to live with LA + NY being most likely (or in Kawhi's case resigning in Toronto).
RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings
LeBron saw all this coming... that Davis would insist in being traded in the first place, that the Lakers would win the 4th pick to use as an asset, that no one else would make the Pelicans a better offer, and that all this would transpire just before the season in which their biggest conference threat won't have their best player all year and their third best player until Feb at the earliest.
RE: Once the Pelicans are prepared to pass the Lakers in the standings
Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.
The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.
The whole reason hes refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.
Can any team give that to him or just the Lakers?
Not that it matters, all things being equal with the money...hes not leaving LA unless LeBron really pisses him off. Which I dont see happening because LeBron only bullies younger, non-superstar players.
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Can the Nets create room for Kyrie, Durant and Russell. Rick Bucher reporting that Kyrie is working on KD for Brooklyn. I still cannot understand how someone would choose the Nets over the Knicks even with how bad they have managed the team in the past. Why would you want to play for a team with no fan base that no one cares about. No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
This sounds so arrogant. The Knicks have been a joke for quite some time and you wonder why someone wouldnt to come to town? Durants not turning the Knicks around without significant help. AD wasnt turning that team around without significant help. I dont know if last year was a fluke for the Nets, but they show much better promise on the court and in the front office.
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Not that it matters, all things being equal with the money...hes not leaving LA unless LeBron really pisses him off. Which I dont see happening because LeBron only bullies younger, non-superstar players.
I don't think Davis would leave LeBron, I think he'll keep his options open to correspond with LeBron's contract ending.
I don't think Davis and his crew would be wise for him to be 29, James retires after year 19 in the league, and be tied to a Lakers team racing to the bottom with Pelicans.
Lebron has 4 elite years in him. He is not a shooter and he is not going to age well. I think its a 2 year maybe 3 year window max. I really hope Kyrie goes there I think it will end up blowing up in their faces.
future for a shot to win it next year, which is such a risky move. By the time this season is over Lebron will be 37 and on his last legs. Cant think AD will stay long term if this season doesnt go well. He wont want to be there with no help once Lebron is done.
In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
Hope so. Well see if they cant get a 3rd and then I might agree it could backfire but if they get that 3rd the lakers all but ensure they will be a +50 win team for the next few years. They will be giving up 28th overall picks but by years 4-5-6 maybe they suck and have to part with actual quality. I just dont see it they will be fine.
They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft its crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys arent saying its 100 percent true but its what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
Players aren't avoiding the Knicks because it's a challenge -- their agents and others who've been involved in basketball know Dolan is a dreadful owner. It's going to take time for the basketball world to trust the Knicks aren't always on the verge of doing something idiotic.
Really glad the Knicks didn't try to match that package.
It makes a little sense if you already have LeBron, but not for the Knicks. I'm relieved they didn't give up all the future value for this one guy and then have nothing left to surround him with.
They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft its crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys arent saying its 100 percent true but its what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
Spoiler alert dammit! I'm planning on listening to that later :-)
They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft its crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys arent saying its 100 percent true but its what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
They are saying the rumors going around last week was that KD and Kyrie pre KD injury were actually planning on signing with Nets all along, but nets are not as interested with the injury. This is completely mind boggling to me not even being a biased knicks fan. How could you want to play in a Brooklyn over the Knicks. This generation of players are so soft its crazy, no one is willing to take on a challenger. These guys would rather go play for a team that literally does not have a fan base and no one cares about. Obviously these guys arent saying its 100 percent true but its what they were both hearing. Russillo had Woj in his podcast a few days ago and Woj said that the injury increases chances of KD back to Warriors.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
2 months ago, Simmons said he heard KD was 100% GUARANTEED signing with the Knicks. Basically, he has no idea what he's talking about.
Players aren't avoiding the Knicks because it's a challenge -- their agents and others who've been involved in basketball know Dolan is a dreadful owner. It's going to take time for the basketball world to trust the Knicks aren't always on the verge of doing something idiotic.
as long as they give the player what they want and spend money, besides oakley, who has hated the knicks since he was traded, can you name me 1 player who has said a bad word about dolan?
Have the knicks sucked since he took over? absolutely but not everything is dolans fault
Ultimately, it IS all his fault. Who hired these fiascoes who have been mismanaging the team for two decades? Who keeps Steve Mills and Allan Houston around for no apparent reason?
It's not that Dolan meddles in everything, it's that he repeatedly hires terrible people and then doesn't hold them accountable for the wretched state of the franchise.
He hired Isiah, watched him run the franchise deeper into the ground, then defended him with the sexual harrassment case and even let that go to trial (!!!!). They lost and then later on Dolan STILL brought Isiah back to run the WNBA team. And that's just a sliver of the dumb shit he's done.
That said, I think he tried to step back and let Phil do his thing. Phil was just terrible. Now he's still stepped back with the current regime but his reputation is well earned as a guy who fucks up the franchise. I don't think it's crazy to think that people are hesitant to sign on with the Knicks because he's an idiot. At a minimum, it's a negative strike against the team. You know that Mills and Perry will have to explain to any FA of consequence how Dolan will not be fucking up the team.
Arrogant and ignorant post.
Think the Lakers were bidding against themselves.
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Arrogant and ignorant post.
No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
This post embodies all the Lakers fans' takes on BBI. Delusional.
yea...I hope the knicks management wouldn't be stupid enough to trade 3 1st round picks. Thats what got them AD, not Lonzo, Ingram and josh hart. Great deal for the pelicans regardless
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yea...I hope the knicks management wouldn't be stupid enough to trade 3 1st round picks. Thats what got them AD, not Lonzo, Ingram and josh hart. Great deal for the pelicans regardless
For a rental. Imagine if we lost RJ, Mitch, DSJ, Knox, and two other first round picks. For a rental.
We'll see how this all plays out yet.
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No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
I look forward to checking back in a year and seeing Knicks fans talking about another star coming to them who inevitably doesnt.
Dumbest fan base in sports.
It makes a lot more sense for the Lakers to go all in considering they have LeBron and adding AD makes them an instant contender.
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No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
I look forward to checking back in a year and seeing Knicks fans talking about another star coming to them who inevitably doesnt.
Dumbest fan base in sports.
Almost as much as you not understanding the difference between the Knicks being able to put a better package together amd actually putting a better package together or reading that once KD wemt down that changed the Knicks plans. But keep on keeping on.
Happy birthday Jon!
Happy birthday Jon!
Who is whining? You are beating your chest like you just accomplished something based on false info and then criticize an entire fan base. You want me to be like you? No thanks. I'd rather punch myself in the dick repeatedly.
How would that be different from any other day as a Knicks fan?
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How would that be different from any other day as a Knicks fan?
I wouldn't have to listen to you.
What hype?
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How would that be different from any other day as a Knicks fan?
I wouldn't have to listen to you.
Yet you're responding to my every post?
^That is an NBA champion btw.
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I'd rather punch myself in the dick repeatedly.
How would that be different from any other day as a Knicks fan?
I wouldn't have to listen to you.
Yet you're responding to my every post?
^That is an NBA champion btw.
And a rapist. I'm responding because you act like you are 12. Again, you got AD so what do you do on this thread? Oh, that's right, you just go after Knicks fans.
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yea...I hope the knicks management wouldn't be stupid enough to trade 3 1st round picks. Thats what got them AD, not Lonzo, Ingram and josh hart. Great deal for the pelicans regardless
For a rental. Imagine if we lost RJ, Mitch, DSJ, Knox, and two other first round picks. For a rental.
We'll see how this all plays out yet.
I doubt any of this happens but it is a possibility to consider.
Time to booze some more today.
I still get the feeling kyrie ends up on the knicks with KD...
Knicks sign a bunch of vets along with deandre and try to make a playoff run and hope kd can come back for playoffs
Lost the Zion sweepstakes
KD ruptures his Achilles
AD lands elsewhere
Kyrie is (likely) headed to Brooklyn (fine by me)
Kawhi wins a title in Toronto (making them a more likely landing spot)
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No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Lost the Zion sweepstakes
KD ruptures his Achilles
AD lands elsewhere
Kyrie is (likely) headed to Brooklyn (fine by me)
Kawhi wins a title in Toronto (making them a more likely landing spot)
For me personally, the only issue was KD. We knew well in advance that getting the top pick was most likely not happening. We just gave ourselves the best chamce possible. I wanted a top 3 pick and possibly top 4. We got that. Expecting anything more was just unrealistic. Hoping is a better word for mose.
AD was never a priority for me. Makes no sense to gut the team imo. Yes, on paper, he is worth the players we'd give up in a vacuum but it isn't a vacuum. We need to build a team and we are headed in the right direction.
Kyrie isn't making or breaking any offseason for me. I think most Knicks fans were in the sams boat as me where if he was needed to get KD then great. If not, that is fine too. He is a talent but he also comes with a lot of baggage.
Leonard was never a real possibility in my eyes but with KD going down I think he is more of a target now than before KD's injury.
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I still get the feeling kyrie ends up on the knicks with KD...
Knicks sign a bunch of vets along with deandre and try to make a playoff run and hope kd can come back for playoffs
Love to eat my words in a year, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect KD to have any positive effect being less than a year out from a ruptured achilles by next years playoffs. It would be big if he was cleared / healthy enough to play, but it'll take at least a few months if not an entire season to get to wherever his post injury 100% will be, as well as to adjust to his weakened ups & quicks. Tho IMO his game might be 'easiest,' it will still take a decent amount of time to do so you'd think
Am I screwing around? Kinda. But with our luck, I'm totally expecting it.
(Chugging another beer).
Still hope they find a way to go all out on Kawhi, even chase ACL Klay, but obviously that seems a pipe dream
They are clearly in win-now mode, which is smart for them. LBJ is in the autumn of his career, he's in win-now mode, too. Plus the Clippers were threatening to make the Lakers the second team in L.A. That is almost impossible but the Lakers were so bad and so dysfunctional, and the Clippers have been run so well, it could have happened. Now, at least the Lakers go into the season with championship aspirations.
But they seem to be betting their future on being the Lakers which means being a place that players want to go to for their own reasons rather than being good at finding young players. Laker fans are used to imported stars going back to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq, they won't mind.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Im sure thats the plan. But a lot can happen in a year, and Im quite sure Davis will have no compunction about leaving if things dont go well.
Still hope they find a way to go all out on Kawhi, even chase ACL Klay, but obviously that seems a pipe dream
How can you throw all that money at Durant when he has a ruptured achilles? That's a very very difficult injury to come back from. Rupture = full tear. Ugh.
They are clearly in win-now mode, which is smart for them. LBJ is in the autumn of his career, he's in win-now mode, too. Plus the Clippers were threatening to make the Lakers the second team in L.A. That is almost impossible but the Lakers were so bad and so dysfunctional, and the Clippers have been run so well, it could have happened. Now, at least the Lakers go into the season with championship aspirations.
But they seem to be betting their future on being the Lakers which means being a place that players want to go to for their own reasons rather than being good at finding young players. Laker fans are used to imported stars going back to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq, they won't mind.
Kobe was imported too. He was a Hornet for a few minutes.
Does he want to play second fiddle in LA to the Lakers?
Tho achilles is worse, KD already gets limited hop and doesn't attack the rim quite like that (Westbrook, DRose etc), even his fadeaway Js are more length than lift. Not easy, but easier (maybe)
Obviously it's all conjecture well before we even know health. ACLs are way better than they were, but still can't expect 100% recovery and achilles are still awful
The money to KD is betting he'll still be a very good player at min (based on history, his attitude / work ethic and age). So it's surely risky but I get it and why NYK won't be the only one offering a max...
They did. They just didnt offer it.
Too bad about KD, for all kinds of reasons.
Let it play out from here, at least the Knicks have picks and cap room now.
I'm happy for the Pelicans that they got good value for 1 year remaining (on top of winning the lotto) plus 3 solid young players and future picks. If I were them I'd probably just flip #4 for 2 of the Hawks picks and then take a guard and forward. Or maybe since this is a flat draft you move down 5-10 picks this year and try to get another lotto pick for next year.
I don't mind the Lakers getting Davis, everything is more fun when Lebron is doing ridiculous things in the playoffs/finals. With Davis he should be in contention for the rest of his career.
Tend to agree, but that's still a lot of picks. A lot depends on what they do with #4.
The can probably get a handful of ring chasers to come for exceptions/vet minimum.
Kuzma is a 3 point specialist who shot 30% last year, after ending his rookie season at 36%. He had a hot few months shooting 40% and since then he's basically just been a volume shooter. He's got decent athleticism, BBIQ, and his stroke is nice so in a good situation I'd guess he's closer to 36% going forward that's a role player.
Ingram (if healthy) and Ball have starter upside. Hart's obvious a couple tiers below the other 2 but I do like him as bench piece.
This x 100.
Its just funny that a grown adult would talk shit about even being a lakers fan if youre a nyg fan as well. Then to rub it in when the lakers once again just step in shit, and yes they step in shit because they are the lakers and woooopdy fucking dooooo. You root for Coca Cola of the nba. The lakers hold an unfair advantage more than any other pro franchise. Even more so than the Yankees. It is what it is......oh good for you Christian bale meltdown mode)
The Lakers absolutely lucked into it -- half of Golden State's stars tear tendons, they jump from 11 to 4 in the draft, after James decides he wants to jump start his post-career.
At some point people will realize that Lebron has been and will continue to be bad for the league as long as he and his friends continue to dictate player movement.
I think the Knicks are more aggressive after AD if Durant was coming here to play this season.
Fuck the Lakers anyway. I hope they choke on all of this.
I freaking hate the Lakers. Goddammit. Even 2 1/2 hours later, I'm still pissed.
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Gonna be interesting to see the details on the Picks LA just gave NOLA. From what I understand the Pelicans didnt want Lakers FRP next year. But through pick swaps they essentially have control of the Lakers draft for the next 7 years.
Way I read this, going out seven years, Pels have right to swap first round picks in the four years they don't have the Lakers' pick outright.
Will see if that's confirmed.
Lol, yeah. They were clamoring once James signed and no one else came that he didnt take the easy road. LOL, I got a good laugh.
Fuck the Lakers.
Without KD, I dont think trading half the team and all those picks would have been a good move. Ive warmed up to Russell. Lets get it done.
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There were really posters who thought the Lakers and James weren't going after max players?
Lol, yeah. They were clamoring once James signed and no one else came that he didnt take the easy road. LOL, I got a good laugh.
That's weird -- the Lakers were always maneuvering to free up space this off-season.
I even think Magic said it in the James press conference.
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
The deadline offer had no way to guarantee the 4th pick, that alone makes this a stronger deal.
Paul and James played this well, but they were able to fast-forward it by a year or half by lucking into the pick.
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Wrong they got tons of draft capital in this deal that is being under reported right now. Not only did they get 3 1st rd picks including this years 4th pick, they are also getting rights to pick swaps for the next 5 to 7 years in years they don't get their 1st round pick. This trade has the potential to turn out really badly for the lakers
If the Lakers had jumped to 1 or 2 now my tinfoil would come out.
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Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
The Lakers only had to beat the best offer a team willing to rent Davis.
The C's were likely offering Smart, Brown, and 2 firsts not likely to be top 5.
Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
The downside is the pelicans own the lakers draft for the next 5 to 7 years so if something goes wrong such as injuries, under performance etc it can be devastating for them
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No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Thanks for the correction. I missed that connection. Oh well. Good for the Lakers. They really needed some good fortune after their tough run of things...
Davis held all the cards, and he won.
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The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:
No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in 22
Unprotected swap in 23
Unprotected first in 24
Unprotected swap in 25
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in 22
Unprotected swap in 23 (Lebron age 38, Davis age 30)
Unprotected first in 24
Unprotected swap in 25
That's a Billy King-esque haul of future unprotected picks.
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What hype?
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
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What hype?
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
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Thanks!
I'm hearing the Lakers will pursue Kemba Walker if they're able to work the timing with NO to maximize cap space for both teams.
Draft RJ, use the cap space to hoard picks, develop Robinson, Knox, DSJ, Trier, etc. Get another high pick next year.
Still will have cap space and multiple firsts over the next few years.
Do it the right way, and the Knicks are contenders in 2 seasons or so.
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Happy B-Day to JonC!
Thanks!
I'm hearing the Lakers will pursue Kemba Walker if they're able to work the timing with NO to maximize cap space for both teams.
Wow. Thank God for that. I feared the Lakers would go another year without a championship run...
(And happy b-day. Thanks for the info.)
They tanked all year because their best player blew out his knee the season before and wasn't going to play any games during the 2018-2019 season. Getting those 3 players became part of the plan later.
As for the trade, desperation makes people do weird things. The Lakers were basically the only team seriously trying to get AD and still gave up everything except for Kuzma. (BOS was never going to trade Tatum and the Knicks apparently bowed out from serious offers last week due to the threat of AD not signing an extension.) Now granted IMO, Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated and no one really looks at Josh Hart as a NBA starter. AD got what he wanted. I'm still not sure how the "David Griffin is a super GM" narrative played out here. He didn't do anything differently than Dell Demps would've eventually done.
You were cocky all year saying KD to the Knicks is a lock. We are going to end up with RJ Barrett and nothing else. Such a let down.
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I still hate it.
You were cocky all year saying KD to the Knicks is a lock. We are going to end up with RJ Barrett and nothing else. Such a let down.
You are joking right? so it is the knicks fault he blew out his achilles?
Knicks probably still end up with him and then you will be complaining they signed him...
If Knicks decide to stay the course or sign younger players that is a good thing, it means they learned from their mistakes
So how is it a letdown? nothing has happened yet....you have no idea how free agency will go...
and i only wanted ad if it formed a big 3 or paired him with kd before injury
1. We get the 3rd pick in the draft.
2. KD ruptures his achilles and will likely miss all of 19-20.
The Knicks can still make some nice moves no doubt, but its been a disappoint SO FAR.
1. We get the 3rd pick in the draft.
2. KD ruptures his achilles and will likely miss all of 19-20.
The Knicks can still make some nice moves no doubt, but its been a disappoint SO FAR.
I dont know hoe anyome could of "expected" zion, there was a 14 percent chance and they still got 3 in a 3 player draft....
Still will probably end up with KD, really nothing to be dissapointed in, nkthing has happened yet..
and RJ Barrett can be an alpha offensively, he wants the ball and wants the big shots
2. Kemba Walker
Would you sign either of these players?
2. Kemba Walker
Would you sign either of these players?
i am on record saying i would sign russell to an offer sheet at 601
AD would have most likely been by himself for the year (even if Durant was on the team) not won anything and then bolt after the year anyway.
The Lakers of course wind up the beneficiaries of all of this because as stated above, they gave up a bunch of shitbirds.
Lots of tough luck for the Knicks so far but Ive said all along, all will not be lost unless they start throwing stupid money around.
Draft Barrett, see how the Kawhi meeting goes, and keep tabs on Russell is Kyrie goes to BK.
Kemba Walker and Jimmy Butler are possibilities. Also Kyrie.
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Knicks could really add a lot of pieces if they go thay route..
from what i have read 18 to 20 million a year
No, they still are 3 million short for kd and irving...
And by all accounts KD does not want to go to brooklyn...
The main hope going into the offseason was signing KD, bringing in a second banana like Kyrie or Kemba, and contending in the East next season. Those signings can still happen, but without KD being able to play this year, we are looking at most likely another "lost" season.
It sounds like the goal is to still pursue Durant (which for all we know is because there was already some kind of handshake agreement in place), but the hope would be that with the the Durant injury, the front office is ready to shift gears. I think the best course of action would be one of the 3 scenarios:
1. Go after Kawhi. The odds of him leaving Toronto after winning the title are slim, but who knows, maybe he was turned off by them cheering Durant's injury. Kawhi is the fastest path to contention in 2020, and a team featuring Kawhi and Kyrie or Kemba is as good as anyone in the East.
2. Make a run at the top young free agents (this is one that nygiants16 has been advocating for). Primary target in this scenario would be D'Angelo Russell, and hinges on Brooklyn signing Kyrie and allowing Russell to walk. Beyond Kawhi and a healthy KD, D'Angelo to me would be the best possible get this summer. He is already an All-Star, and I think he is just going to continue to get better over the next 3+ years, throw max money at him without hesitation. Other potential fits in this strategy, depending on cost, would be:
- Julius Randle
- Kevon Looney
- Terry Rozier
- Malcolm Brogdon
3. Stand pat, develop the young guys, and make a run at star at a later date (either through free agency or trade). Everyone shits on the Lakers and how poorly they have been run, but there is a lesson to be learned from what's transpired over the last couple of seasons. There is value to having a bunch of young guys with potential on your roster, even if the end game isn't to keep them as your core, but to try and build a "super team." Maybe guys like Dennis Smith, Kevin Knox, Mitch Robinson, etc. don't have a ton of trade value right now, but if they get minutes next year and play well, then it will be much easier to send a package of those guys out for the next star that demands a trade. Hopefully things pan out and RJ Barrett turns into a star, let's focus on him and the other youngsters and see what options that brings us along the way.
No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
Ha Ha Ha, I know for a fact that there is at least 6 Nets fans on this board!
Kareem
Shaq
Gasol
Howard (Okay he's a bust)
Davis
These fucks just land every great big man.
But it's the right way to do this. Things are looking up for the Knicks.. or so I hope.
90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.
Even with that criticism, the Lakers will now sign a top guard and probably make the finals, and i get to hear how legendary Lebron is for creating another super team. Tired of it. I've grown to love watching him play. Everything else about him is just too much for me.
I get it. It fucking sucks to have had endured the constant losing year after year and when the light at the end of the tunnel was finally upon us, the entire team transformation plan go up in flames. Smart teams adapt. Lets see if these guys go a different route. Personally, that means no KD, sign Russell, draft RJ, keep finding gems outside of round 1 like Mitch and Trier, and play the long game.
Zion
Morant
RJ
Personally, I'm excited about RJ and pairing it with our young core. I have little belief Frank will turn into anything more than what he has already shown offensively. I get he's still young. But I don't think he is a Knick opening day.
They just got the best best big man in the nba who is 26 years old. They gave up NOTHING. When they are winning 55-60 games these next 2-3 years no will remember the backup mediocre talents they jettisoned. Fucking garbage. Teams could have beaten that offer in spades. Lakers are such a blessed stepped in shit franchise its sickening.
In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
We will see but I hope they fail.
Knicks need to proceed carefully. Stinks that KD is hurt, not so sure I want him at this point.
I am all in on Russell if his max is only 23M.
At this point Id say no to Durant.
Pelicans did well considering the circumstance. They will be very fun to watch with Zion.
Kemba is a very good player but I think the Lakers would be making a mistake if theyre just targeting him. They dont need a Kemba next to LeBron/AD, they should be targeting Patrick Beverley and/or JJ Redick + veteran 3nD type wings imo.
Lakers have a 2-3 year window here with LeBron/AD and thats a small window but 1 title makes this all worth it. I expect them to get at least 1 together. And if LeBron is a Karl Malone type of cyborg, maybe the window is even bigger.
Our youngest player of our young core is Dotson at 25. Everyone else is 21 or younger. Can we give these guys a few years unlike the Lakers who dropped DLo and now we are talking about maxing him.
Players need development.
I know people wanted a title contender overnight but the Knicks have been much worse off than they are now for most of the last twenty years.
they will be thin and need shooting. I'm not saying they shouldn't be considered a top 3 title odds squad now, but the title is still wide open.
where were all these Dlo fans and supporters during the regular season?
Maybe starting line up looks like this:
PG - Russell
SG - Dotson
SF - Knox
PF - Randle
C - Mitch or Deandre
Bench
Mitch or Deandre
Wes Matthews
Barrett - playing 30 mins a night
Trier - if he doesnt start being a better teammate then let him go at year end
Mario
Frank
Vonleh - being him back
Im thinking this team has a shot at an 8 seed?
Don't get this comparison at all. The Nets trade resulted in them getting ZERO prime seasons from Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett. They were both ancient and trending downward when that moronic trade was made. The Lakers traded for an elite player during his prime. AD still has realistically 5 years of top-flight performance left. And the Lakers got to keep the only one of their young players they really wanted.
Everything in the NBA is about narratives and who the basketball media likes. The Laker-fanboy media hyped up the young guys. David Griffin is somehow seen as a wonderful GM despite drafting Andrew Wiggins, hiring Dave Blatt, and signing Tristan Thompson and JR Smith to two of the worst contracts in NBA history.
it got better as the season went on, but he is still a minus defender. he is helped by having length yo be able to play a half step off guys--- he needs to just keep getting stronger. I don't think he is a full on liability but ideally he is paired with a very good defending 2.
his excellence is his vision/shot/feel for the game on offense. Very few are as good pinning the guy on their back and creating shots for himself or others. he took the next step when his finishing got better and his 3pt shot a touch more consistent.
As a nets fan my heart would say sign Dlo, but i can't kid myself and pretend that Kyrie isnt a different level player.
90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.
The Durant situation is much different than most. The injury throws a monkey wrench into things, but he's the only guy who would even consider leaving the current situation he's in, because thats definitely the best situation basketball wise and it's also where he can get the most money.
Durant leaving would be about his legacy and repairing the image of him taking the easy way out and going to a team that won without him.
If you're leaving for reasons like that, it would be important to go to a team like the Knicks over the Nets. Because if we're talking about what the best situation is, there's no argument to be made that the knicks or nets are even in the discussion with the warriors.
Durant leaving would be all about changing the public perception and his legacy. If that's what it's about, it wouldn't make much sense to go to the Nets
If Im a laker fan I could care less about trading inrgram and ball. Ingram has solid role player upside to me. And ball stinks. He is a good backup PG as long as you are looking for a rebounder/distributor and not a shooter. They are only thought of highly because they are Lakers and top 3 picks. NO did well here cause that draft capital is impressive.
I know people wanted a title contender overnight but the Knicks have been much worse off than they are now for most of the last twenty years.
Good perspective, but I'll be surprised the offseason the Knicks have money to spend and don't reflexively use it poorly in an attempt to curb disappointment.
A Middleton max would be devastating, he is not going to age well.
Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
That is overwhelming favorite status.
I don't see it with all that can/will go wrong.
Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
Obviously thats what the Lakers are hoping. And it may well well work out that way. But teams have been burned by that thinking before, only to have injuries and other misfortunes result in them conveying high picks that turned into stars for somebody else.
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I mean, obviously they're great if the Pelicans are good and the Lakers are bad. But if the Lakers are good and the Pelicans are bad, which is much more likely, the swaps are worthless, no?
Aren't the Pelicans sort of betting on the Anthony Davis/LeBron James Lakers being worse than the Pelicans a few years from now? That doesn't seem like a good bet. The Lakers are going to continue to be an attractive destination for free agents. Even when they're a shitshow, like they were last season, they will always be able to turn things around quickly by signing stars. Meanwhile the Pelicans will have a young team on the way up, but they're not an instant contender or anything.
Obviously thats what the Lakers are hoping. And it may well well work out that way. But teams have been burned by that thinking before, only to have injuries and other misfortunes result in them conveying high picks that turned into stars for somebody else.
The Durant situation is much different than most. The injury throws a monkey wrench into things, but he's the only guy who would even consider leaving the current situation he's in, because thats definitely the best situation basketball wise and it's also where he can get the most money.
Durant leaving would be about his legacy and repairing the image of him taking the easy way out and going to a team that won without him.
If you're leaving for reasons like that, it would be important to go to a team like the Knicks over the Nets. Because if we're talking about what the best situation is, there's no argument to be made that the knicks or nets are even in the discussion with the warriors.
Durant leaving would be all about changing the public perception and his legacy. If that's what it's about, it wouldn't make much sense to go to the Nets
He could repair his image going to the Clippers too and they might be the best team of the 3. Being in the unique situation he's in, predicting what KD would do was hard and now with the injury impossible. Last year Lebron chose LA because he just wanted to live there. The team wasn't good, management was completely unstable, etc. I suspect KD and Kawhi will similarly both just make their decisions based on which cities they'd prefer to live with LA + NY being most likely (or in Kawhi's case resigning in Toronto).
Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.
The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.
Funny, sad & true.
Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.
The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.
The whole reason hes refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.
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Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.
The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.
The whole reason hes refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.
Can any team give that to him or just the Lakers?
Not that it matters, all things being equal with the money...hes not leaving LA unless LeBron really pisses him off. Which I dont see happening because LeBron only bullies younger, non-superstar players.
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Let's see if Davis doesn't maneuver a deal that wraps in 3 years, when James has 19 seasons on his body, and his deal is up.
The Lakers shit ship might pass the Pelicans before too long.
The whole reason hes refusing to sign an extension now is because he wants the guaranteed 5 year/ $200M+ deal he can get next year.
Or he's keeping his options open like James and Durant have a number of times in the last few years.
That ended with The Decision! This version of the NBA is AAU at its worst.
This sounds so arrogant. The Knicks have been a joke for quite some time and you wonder why someone wouldnt to come to town? Durants not turning the Knicks around without significant help. AD wasnt turning that team around without significant help. I dont know if last year was a fluke for the Nets, but they show much better promise on the court and in the front office.
I don't think Davis would leave LeBron, I think he'll keep his options open to correspond with LeBron's contract ending.
I don't think Davis and his crew would be wise for him to be 29, James retires after year 19 in the league, and be tied to a Lakers team racing to the bottom with Pelicans.
Lakers likely have a four-year window until LJ turns 38
I could see their winning two championships in the next four years. I could also see their winning none.
Keeping Kuzma is huge because of how the economics work
In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
Hope so. Well see if they cant get a 3rd and then I might agree it could backfire but if they get that 3rd the lakers all but ensure they will be a +50 win team for the next few years. They will be giving up 28th overall picks but by years 4-5-6 maybe they suck and have to part with actual quality. I just dont see it they will be fine.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
Spoiler alert dammit! I'm planning on listening to that later :-)
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
Two Words Bud. James Dolan.
I know there mixed views on signing KD, but I am in the camp of the knicks signing him and having one more development year. I am getting the sense it is not happening and the knicks are truly going to strike out. If Durant goes back to warriors, then nets will keep Russell. Seems like Kawhi is clippers, lakers or raptors, kemba is probably staying put. I think jimmy butler hopefully stays in a phili I have no interest.
I am so concerned thisbis going to lead to a maxed Middleton. I am onboard with Randle with a short overpriced contract, but a maxed Middleton may be the final straw for me.
2 months ago, Simmons said he heard KD was 100% GUARANTEED signing with the Knicks. Basically, he has no idea what he's talking about.
Enough of the Dolan nonsense.
Have the knicks sucked since he took over? absolutely but not everything is dolans fault
Ultimately, it IS all his fault. Who hired these fiascoes who have been mismanaging the team for two decades? Who keeps Steve Mills and Allan Houston around for no apparent reason?
It's not that Dolan meddles in everything, it's that he repeatedly hires terrible people and then doesn't hold them accountable for the wretched state of the franchise.
That said, I think he tried to step back and let Phil do his thing. Phil was just terrible. Now he's still stepped back with the current regime but his reputation is well earned as a guy who fucks up the franchise. I don't think it's crazy to think that people are hesitant to sign on with the Knicks because he's an idiot. At a minimum, it's a negative strike against the team. You know that Mills and Perry will have to explain to any FA of consequence how Dolan will not be fucking up the team.