Esp at the cost (and assuming NO wasn't big on our guys so wanted more picks), I'm fine they didn't get AD. Much better to go full bore in FA next year, whether that's w/ a healing KD (and Kyrie) or w/ the young squad and all the picks for draft or a future, more sensible trade than an AD rental
Still hope they find a way to go all out on Kawhi, even chase ACL Klay, but obviously that seems a pipe dream
I like Klay's game even better than Durant's and I think that Klay's long-term health prospects are better than KD's. However I doubt he's willing to leave the Warriors and if Barrett pans out, the Knicks will be ok at shooting guard either way. It sure would be fun to have the problem of playing both of them at once, though.
How can you throw all that money at Durant when he has a ruptured achilles? That's a very very difficult injury to come back from. Rupture = full tear. Ugh.
to win the 2020 NBA title when the odds came out yesterday. They knew.
They are clearly in win-now mode, which is smart for them. LBJ is in the autumn of his career, he's in win-now mode, too. Plus the Clippers were threatening to make the Lakers the second team in L.A. That is almost impossible but the Lakers were so bad and so dysfunctional, and the Clippers have been run so well, it could have happened. Now, at least the Lakers go into the season with championship aspirations.
But they seem to be betting their future on being the Lakers which means being a place that players want to go to for their own reasons rather than being good at finding young players. Laker fans are used to imported stars going back to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq, they won't mind.
Kobe was imported too. He was a Hornet for a few minutes.
Does this increase Toronto's odds of keeping Kawhi
Tho I still think KD's adjustment in game <might> be easier as Klay's involves a heavy motor. His J will be ok even if he becomes more a set shooter, but a drop in quicks / speed means getting open will be totally different given his constant run around
Tho achilles is worse, KD already gets limited hop and doesn't attack the rim quite like that (Westbrook, DRose etc), even his fadeaway Js are more length than lift. Not easy, but easier (maybe)
Obviously it's all conjecture well before we even know health. ACLs are way better than they were, but still can't expect 100% recovery and achilles are still awful
The money to KD is betting he'll still be a very good player at min (based on history, his attitude / work ethic and age). So it's surely risky but I get it and why NYK won't be the only one offering a max...
RE: But Knicks fans told me they had the better package?
which they couldn't do if AD wasn't going to resign there.
I'm happy for the Pelicans that they got good value for 1 year remaining (on top of winning the lotto) plus 3 solid young players and future picks. If I were them I'd probably just flip #4 for 2 of the Hawks picks and then take a guard and forward. Or maybe since this is a flat draft you move down 5-10 picks this year and try to get another lotto pick for next year.
I don't mind the Lakers getting Davis, everything is more fun when Lebron is doing ridiculous things in the playoffs/finals. With Davis he should be in contention for the rest of his career.
RE: Thought New Orleans was playing hardball for Kuzma
Who the hell knows what'll come of that? I'm meh on Ball. Hart is no Kuzma.
Kuzma is a 3 point specialist who shot 30% last year, after ending his rookie season at 36%. He had a hot few months shooting 40% and since then he's basically just been a volume shooter. He's got decent athleticism, BBIQ, and his stroke is nice so in a good situation I'd guess he's closer to 36% going forward that's a role player.
Ingram (if healthy) and Ball have starter upside. Hart's obvious a couple tiers below the other 2 but I do like him as bench piece.
Because the Lakers always fall assbackwards into this.
This x 100.
Its just funny that a grown adult would talk shit about even being a lakers fan if youre a nyg fan as well. Then to rub it in when the lakers once again just step in shit, and yes they step in shit because they are the lakers and woooopdy fucking dooooo. You root for Coca Cola of the nba. The lakers hold an unfair advantage more than any other pro franchise. Even more so than the Yankees. It is what it is......oh good for you Christian bale meltdown mode)
The Clippers can pair Leonard with another max, and build for the medium-term.
The Lakers absolutely lucked into it -- half of Golden State's stars tear tendons, they jump from 11 to 4 in the draft, after James decides he wants to jump start his post-career.
Last year who said Lebron didnt go to the Lakers to form a super team. This offseason was the one where he could get the players he wanted and the process begins. This has been in the fold for over a year and when more come, Ill continue to laugh.
At some point people will realize that Lebron has been and will continue to be bad for the league as long as he and his friends continue to dictate player movement.
LBJ wanted AD & he got him. Now they'll fill out their roster with Kemba or some other max player & vets playing on minimums to get a ring. They'll be playing in June next year.
I freaking hate the Lakers. Goddammit. Even 2 1/2 hours later, I'm still pissed.
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Gonna be interesting to see the details on the Picks LA just gave NOLA. From what I understand the Pelicans didnt want Lakers FRP next year. But through pick swaps they essentially have control of the Lakers draft for the next 7 years.
Way I read this, going out seven years, Pels have right to swap first round picks in the four years they don't have the Lakers' pick outright.
There is really no reason for anyone to be a Lakers fan if you are a Giants fan. Watching the pretty purple and gold uniforms on Magic and Kareem every week isnt a legit reason. That means the adults didnt raise you right.
Fuck the Lakers.
Without KD, I dont think trading half the team and all those picks would have been a good move. Ive warmed up to Russell. Lets get it done.
Impressive power play by AD/ Rich Paul/ Lebron. They picked and chose
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Impressive power play by AD/ Rich Paul/ Lebron. They picked and chose
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
The deadline offer had no way to guarantee the 4th pick, that alone makes this a stronger deal.
Paul and James played this well, but they were able to fast-forward it by a year or half by lucking into the pick.
Impressive power play by AD/ Rich Paul/ Lebron. They picked and chose
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Wrong they got tons of draft capital in this deal that is being under reported right now. Not only did they get 3 1st rd picks including this years 4th pick, they are also getting rights to pick swaps for the next 5 to 7 years in years they don't get their 1st round pick. This trade has the potential to turn out really badly for the lakers
They werent winning with the shitbirds they traded, they are irrelevant. I would bet many teams in the league wouldnt trade for them for their best player. They got Anthony fn Davis, one of the best players in the game. They have 5 guys on the roster to speak of and cap room. More is going to come. And if it doesnt work out....
Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
They werent winning with the shitbirds they traded, they are irrelevant. I would bet many teams in the league wouldnt trade for them for their best player. They got Anthony fn Davis, one of the best players in the game. They have 5 guys on the roster to speak of and cap room. More is going to come. And if it doesnt work out....
Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
The downside is the pelicans own the lakers draft for the next 5 to 7 years so if something goes wrong such as injuries, under performance etc it can be devastating for them
RE: RE: RE: But Knicks fans told me they had the better package?
No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Thanks for the correction. I missed that connection. Oh well. Good for the Lakers. They really needed some good fortune after their tough run of things...
it was the same deal with CP3, Melo, Dwight etc. At least LA had to give up a solid package. 2x recent #2 overall picks (both 21 years old), the #4 in this draft, at least 2 more firsts in the future (plus swaps), and a decent role player in Hart. Considering the last 2 first round picks the Lakers gave up on are about to cash in as FA and they got almost nothing back for them, it's not like they are infallible. Obviously no guarantees Ball/Ingram go on to develop like Russell/Randle did, but that's not the point, the upside is there.
of what it once was. Its a superstar league run by the players at this point. I keep trying to get back into it but its just not the same as it once was. I think I was spoiled growing up watching Jordan, Bird, Ewing, Magic, Barkley, Olajuwon, etc.
end of this trade could make it depending on how much left in the tank LeBron has; Pelicans controlling all the Lakers picks in 23-24-25 when Lebron is 39-40-41;
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The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:
No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in 22
Unprotected swap in 23
Unprotected first in 24
Unprotected swap in 25
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
Is there a single Knicks fan who really thought they would get Zion? Hoped? Sure. Thought? Why would anyone think that? Odds were against it. That's the point of the lottery it's a disincentive to tank. Worst team in the league has a lousy chance of landing the #1 overall pick anyway.
Still hope they find a way to go all out on Kawhi, even chase ACL Klay, but obviously that seems a pipe dream
How can you throw all that money at Durant when he has a ruptured achilles? That's a very very difficult injury to come back from. Rupture = full tear. Ugh.
They are clearly in win-now mode, which is smart for them. LBJ is in the autumn of his career, he's in win-now mode, too. Plus the Clippers were threatening to make the Lakers the second team in L.A. That is almost impossible but the Lakers were so bad and so dysfunctional, and the Clippers have been run so well, it could have happened. Now, at least the Lakers go into the season with championship aspirations.
But they seem to be betting their future on being the Lakers which means being a place that players want to go to for their own reasons rather than being good at finding young players. Laker fans are used to imported stars going back to Wilt, Kareem and Shaq, they won't mind.
Kobe was imported too. He was a Hornet for a few minutes.
Does he want to play second fiddle in LA to the Lakers?
Tho achilles is worse, KD already gets limited hop and doesn't attack the rim quite like that (Westbrook, DRose etc), even his fadeaway Js are more length than lift. Not easy, but easier (maybe)
Obviously it's all conjecture well before we even know health. ACLs are way better than they were, but still can't expect 100% recovery and achilles are still awful
The money to KD is betting he'll still be a very good player at min (based on history, his attitude / work ethic and age). So it's surely risky but I get it and why NYK won't be the only one offering a max...
They did. They just didnt offer it.
Too bad about KD, for all kinds of reasons.
Let it play out from here, at least the Knicks have picks and cap room now.
I'm happy for the Pelicans that they got good value for 1 year remaining (on top of winning the lotto) plus 3 solid young players and future picks. If I were them I'd probably just flip #4 for 2 of the Hawks picks and then take a guard and forward. Or maybe since this is a flat draft you move down 5-10 picks this year and try to get another lotto pick for next year.
I don't mind the Lakers getting Davis, everything is more fun when Lebron is doing ridiculous things in the playoffs/finals. With Davis he should be in contention for the rest of his career.
Tend to agree, but that's still a lot of picks. A lot depends on what they do with #4.
The can probably get a handful of ring chasers to come for exceptions/vet minimum.
Kuzma is a 3 point specialist who shot 30% last year, after ending his rookie season at 36%. He had a hot few months shooting 40% and since then he's basically just been a volume shooter. He's got decent athleticism, BBIQ, and his stroke is nice so in a good situation I'd guess he's closer to 36% going forward that's a role player.
Ingram (if healthy) and Ball have starter upside. Hart's obvious a couple tiers below the other 2 but I do like him as bench piece.
This x 100.
Its just funny that a grown adult would talk shit about even being a lakers fan if youre a nyg fan as well. Then to rub it in when the lakers once again just step in shit, and yes they step in shit because they are the lakers and woooopdy fucking dooooo. You root for Coca Cola of the nba. The lakers hold an unfair advantage more than any other pro franchise. Even more so than the Yankees. It is what it is......oh good for you Christian bale meltdown mode)
The Lakers absolutely lucked into it -- half of Golden State's stars tear tendons, they jump from 11 to 4 in the draft, after James decides he wants to jump start his post-career.
At some point people will realize that Lebron has been and will continue to be bad for the league as long as he and his friends continue to dictate player movement.
I think the Knicks are more aggressive after AD if Durant was coming here to play this season.
Fuck the Lakers anyway. I hope they choke on all of this.
I freaking hate the Lakers. Goddammit. Even 2 1/2 hours later, I'm still pissed.
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Gonna be interesting to see the details on the Picks LA just gave NOLA. From what I understand the Pelicans didnt want Lakers FRP next year. But through pick swaps they essentially have control of the Lakers draft for the next 7 years.
Way I read this, going out seven years, Pels have right to swap first round picks in the four years they don't have the Lakers' pick outright.
Will see if that's confirmed.
Lol, yeah. They were clamoring once James signed and no one else came that he didnt take the easy road. LOL, I got a good laugh.
Fuck the Lakers.
Without KD, I dont think trading half the team and all those picks would have been a good move. Ive warmed up to Russell. Lets get it done.
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There were really posters who thought the Lakers and James weren't going after max players?
Lol, yeah. They were clamoring once James signed and no one else came that he didnt take the easy road. LOL, I got a good laugh.
That's weird -- the Lakers were always maneuvering to free up space this off-season.
I even think Magic said it in the James press conference.
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
The deadline offer had no way to guarantee the 4th pick, that alone makes this a stronger deal.
Paul and James played this well, but they were able to fast-forward it by a year or half by lucking into the pick.
Their destination and got it. He was always headed to the Lakers and he aint leaving.
I dont think people realize how good Davis is and can get better. This is a steal for the Lakers. Their offer from the deadline actually got worse.
Wrong they got tons of draft capital in this deal that is being under reported right now. Not only did they get 3 1st rd picks including this years 4th pick, they are also getting rights to pick swaps for the next 5 to 7 years in years they don't get their 1st round pick. This trade has the potential to turn out really badly for the lakers
If the Lakers had jumped to 1 or 2 now my tinfoil would come out.
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Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
The Lakers only had to beat the best offer a team willing to rent Davis.
The C's were likely offering Smart, Brown, and 2 firsts not likely to be top 5.
Lebron will probably leave after a year or two and find a new superteam. The people who fall for this continuously need to open their eyes.
The downside is the pelicans own the lakers draft for the next 5 to 7 years so if something goes wrong such as injuries, under performance etc it can be devastating for them
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No one said that. People said the Knicks could top if they wanted to. Obviously, they didn't. Check back here next year when AD can hit FA for real and see what's what.
AD wont be hitting FA next year, hes signing long term with the Lakers. This has been said over and over again. AD and Lebron share the same agent in Rich Paul, theyve already mapped this out, AD will be retiring as a Laker.
Thanks for the correction. I missed that connection. Oh well. Good for the Lakers. They really needed some good fortune after their tough run of things...
Davis held all the cards, and he won.
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The Pelicans will get the following picks from the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN:
No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in 22
Unprotected swap in 23
Unprotected first in 24
Unprotected swap in 25
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in 22
Unprotected swap in 23 (Lebron age 38, Davis age 30)
Unprotected first in 24
Unprotected swap in 25
That's a Billy King-esque haul of future unprotected picks.
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What hype?
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
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What hype?
My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
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Brett!
Happy B-Day to JonC!
Thanks!
I'm hearing the Lakers will pursue Kemba Walker if they're able to work the timing with NO to maximize cap space for both teams.