My point is, we ranked all year with the hopes of potentially getting KD, Zion & Kyrie, but it looks like RJ Barrett and nothing else at this point.
They tanked all year because their best player blew out his knee the season before and wasn't going to play any games during the 2018-2019 season. Getting those 3 players became part of the plan later.
As for the trade, desperation makes people do weird things. The Lakers were basically the only team seriously trying to get AD and still gave up everything except for Kuzma. (BOS was never going to trade Tatum and the Knicks apparently bowed out from serious offers last week due to the threat of AD not signing an extension.) Now granted IMO, Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated and no one really looks at Josh Hart as a NBA starter. AD got what he wanted. I'm still not sure how the "David Griffin is a super GM" narrative played out here. He didn't do anything differently than Dell Demps would've eventually done.
It’s a massive letdown. I’m not bashing the Knicks, it’s just disappointing. I never wanted the Knicks to trade for AD (you did if I recall correctly).
It’s a massive letdown. I’m not bashing the Knicks, it’s just disappointing. I never wanted the Knicks to trade for AD (you did if I recall correctly).
So how is it a letdown? nothing has happened yet....you have no idea how free agency will go...
and i only wanted ad if it formed a big 3 or paired him with kd before injury
but if they go with russell, randle and other younger vets and add them to this current roster, yeah it is not kd and irving but you have a good young team that you get to watch grow...
and RJ Barrett can be an alpha offensively, he wants the ball and wants the big shots
and let the kids grow, this could be fun for quite a while. The massive number of first round picks we have, including the two from Dallas, could well be enhanced by a late first round or very early second round pick for Ntilikina. We are going to have massive amounts of very young players to build with, and likely another high pick in 2020. NBA DRaftnet has, for example, Andrew Wiseman as the firth pick in 2020. He's a huge, athletic center--and a high school senior right now.
I didn’t watch a whole lot of the nets this year but from what i know he had a breakout year offensively. I remember tracking him during that draft year and remember him being abysmal on defense at Ohio state. I am assuming that i the same today? I am assuming his still pretty slow?
to let another team control your draft for that long. Especially when your team is a 35 year old Lebron and a guy who has had some injury issues. I mean you make this trade if your LA, take your chance lebron still has a few years left (he does) and AD can play 70+ games a year. THat said this would scare the hell out of me if im a laker fan.
But after the Durant injury and Rich Paul’s power play in the SI article, what sense did the trade really make at that point for a team in the Knicks situation?
AD would have most likely been by himself for the year (even if Durant was on the team) not won anything and then bolt after the year anyway.
The Lakers of course wind up the beneficiaries of all of this because as stated above, they gave up a bunch of “shitbirds”.
Lots of tough luck for the Knicks so far but I’ve said all along, all will not be lost unless they start throwing stupid money around.
Draft Barrett, see how the Kawhi meeting goes, and keep tabs on Russell is Kyrie goes to BK.
this has been a letdown, but mostly cause of the KD injury. Def takes the air out of our sails. IM still ok signing him but it doesnt make us the contender next year we were hoping to be. I dont mind russell as he is cheaper and younger then Kyrie. But he also isnt as good, ha. Knicks have to play the slow game now. Lets just hope they continue to just add young talent and hope they hit a HR on a pick.
he could be a guy whose best days are still ahead or he could be the guy who is inconsistent and never puts it all together. He had some great stretches last year and played pretty well in LA at times as well.
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he could be a guy whose best days are still ahead or he could be the guy who is inconsistent and never puts it all together. He had some great stretches last year and played pretty well in LA at times as well.
Can the Nets create room for Kyrie, Durant and Russell. Rick Bucher reporting that Kyrie is working on KD for Brooklyn. I still cannot understand how someone would choose the Nets over the Knicks even with how bad they have managed the team in the past. Why would you want to play for a team with no fan base that no one cares about. No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
Can the Nets create room for Kyrie, Durant and Russell. Rick Bucher reporting that Kyrie is working on KD for Brooklyn. I still cannot understand how someone would choose the Nets over the Knicks even with how bad they have managed the team in the past. Why would you want to play for a team with no fan base that no one cares about. No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
No, they still are 3 million short for kd and irving...
And by all accounts KD does not want to go to brooklyn...
but only because of the Durant injury. The Zion thing was always a long shot, and an Anthony Davis trade was probably just as unlikely as well.
The main hope going into the offseason was signing KD, bringing in a second banana like Kyrie or Kemba, and contending in the East next season. Those signings can still happen, but without KD being able to play this year, we are looking at most likely another "lost" season.
It sounds like the goal is to still pursue Durant (which for all we know is because there was already some kind of handshake agreement in place), but the hope would be that with the the Durant injury, the front office is ready to shift gears. I think the best course of action would be one of the 3 scenarios:
1. Go after Kawhi. The odds of him leaving Toronto after winning the title are slim, but who knows, maybe he was turned off by them cheering Durant's injury. Kawhi is the fastest path to contention in 2020, and a team featuring Kawhi and Kyrie or Kemba is as good as anyone in the East.
2. Make a run at the top young free agents (this is one that nygiants16 has been advocating for). Primary target in this scenario would be D'Angelo Russell, and hinges on Brooklyn signing Kyrie and allowing Russell to walk. Beyond Kawhi and a healthy KD, D'Angelo to me would be the best possible get this summer. He is already an All-Star, and I think he is just going to continue to get better over the next 3+ years, throw max money at him without hesitation. Other potential fits in this strategy, depending on cost, would be:
- Julius Randle
- Kevon Looney
- Terry Rozier
- Malcolm Brogdon
3. Stand pat, develop the young guys, and make a run at star at a later date (either through free agency or trade). Everyone shits on the Lakers and how poorly they have been run, but there is a lesson to be learned from what's transpired over the last couple of seasons. There is value to having a bunch of young guys with potential on your roster, even if the end game isn't to keep them as your core, but to try and build a "super team." Maybe guys like Dennis Smith, Kevin Knox, Mitch Robinson, etc. don't have a ton of trade value right now, but if they get minutes next year and play well, then it will be much easier to send a package of those guys out for the next star that demands a trade. Hopefully things pan out and RJ Barrett turns into a star, let's focus on him and the other youngsters and see what options that brings us along the way.
just stay the course. Develop the young guys. Sign KD. Let him sit for a year. Another top pick next year. Unfortunately we have another year of this bullshit.
But it's the right way to do this. Things are looking up for the Knicks.. or so I hope.
players don't care about turning around X franchise in any sport Â
they go to the best situation for themselves personally - like every other human being in every other profession who gets a job offer. Do you think any software developer has ever thought "you know what, I really want to help turn Microsoft around" and put a value on that beyond tangible factors like money, who the boss is, what the role is, etc.
90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.
for the Lakers. They just signed away their draft rights for the next 5-7 years. Lebron is 35 now. Anthony Davis has injury concerns. Brian Windhorst said this has the potential to be Nets-Celtics 2.0, i don't think he is wrong. I think i would have risked waiting a year for AD. Yes they now have a chance to win next year, but i would not be comfortable with jeopardizing my long term stability like that. I actually liked the idea of the Lakers trading young talent to the Wizards for Bradley Beal, who is not as good as Davis but is a perfect fit next to Lebron.
Even with that criticism, the Lakers will now sign a top guard and probably make the finals, and i get to hear how legendary Lebron is for creating another super team. Tired of it. I've grown to love watching him play. Everything else about him is just too much for me.
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I don’t get why the Knicks would still consider signing Durant. History alone tells us that an Achilles rupture greatly diminishes an nba player. Nothing good seemingly ever happens for this franchise. Why would anyone think that’ll change by KD “remaining KD” in 2020-2021 at 32?
I get it. It fucking sucks to have had endured the constant losing year after year and when the light at the end of the tunnel was finally upon us, the entire team transformation plan go up in flames. Smart teams adapt. Let’s see if these guys go a different route. Personally, that means no KD, sign Russell, draft RJ, keep finding gems outside of round 1 like Mitch and Trier, and play the long game.
Personally, I'm excited about RJ and pairing it with our young core. I have little belief Frank will turn into anything more than what he has already shown offensively. I get he's still young. But I don't think he is a Knick opening day.
Getting the 3rd pick wasn’t a let down in my view Â
They just got the best best big man in the nba who is 26 years old. They gave up NOTHING. When they are winning 55-60 games these next 2-3 years no will remember the backup mediocre talents they jettisoned. Fucking garbage. Teams could have beaten that offer in spades. Lakers are such a blessed stepped in shit franchise it’s sickening.
Anything less than a championship is a complete failure for the Lakers. Lebron is a year older and just had his first significant injury of his career. It’s awesome to have superstars and the Knicks certainly need it but it’s hard to win without any depth. Everything has to got their way to win it all. In my view they have a 2 year window. I think Lebron’s decline will slightly start this year and I would imagine another leg down after next year. They also will have absolutely no trading capabilities until 2025. They will only be able to make moves via mid level and min contracts moving forward. It’s a risk they had to take or Lebron was going to leave or asked to be traded, but let’s not act like they are going to just run through the league and win a championship. It won’t be easy l, pelicans made out the best they possibly can, they pretty much own the lakers future for he next 7 years.
future for a shot to win it next year, which is such a risky move. By the time this season is over Lebron will be 37 and on his last legs. Can’t think AD will stay long term if this season doesn’t go well. He won’t want to be there with no help once Lebron is done.
In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
I doubt it to be honest. Don't think they're anywhere near what I've seen some hype them as. I think it's grim to be honest. I think that one moment in time with KD getting injured ruined everything and will lead the Knicks to further basketball purgatory. I'd be happy to be wrong on this and hope I am.
Ball and Ingram both have real potential, and you have 3 picks besides that including a chance to get a guy like Hunter who I think would be great next to Zion. Or flip that pick for a good player now.
Pelicans did well considering the circumstance. They will be very fun to watch with Zion.
Kemba is a very good player but I think the Lakers would be making a mistake if they’re just targeting him. They don’t need a Kemba next to LeBron/AD, they should be targeting Patrick Beverley and/or JJ Redick + veteran 3nD type wings imo.
Lakers have a 2-3 year window here with LeBron/AD and that’s a small window but 1 title makes this all worth it. I expect them to get at least 1 together. And if LeBron is a Karl Malone type of cyborg, maybe the window is even bigger.
Draft RJ, use the cap space to hoard picks, develop Robinson, Knox, DSJ, Trier, etc. Get another high pick next year.
Still will have cap space and multiple firsts over the next few years.
Do it the right way, and the Knicks are contenders in 2 seasons or so.
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Brett!
Happy B-Day to JonC!
Thanks!
I'm hearing the Lakers will pursue Kemba Walker if they're able to work the timing with NO to maximize cap space for both teams.
Wow. Thank God for that. I feared the Lakers would go another year without a championship run...
(And happy b-day. Thanks for the info.)
They tanked all year because their best player blew out his knee the season before and wasn't going to play any games during the 2018-2019 season. Getting those 3 players became part of the plan later.
As for the trade, desperation makes people do weird things. The Lakers were basically the only team seriously trying to get AD and still gave up everything except for Kuzma. (BOS was never going to trade Tatum and the Knicks apparently bowed out from serious offers last week due to the threat of AD not signing an extension.) Now granted IMO, Ball and Ingram are ridiculously overrated and no one really looks at Josh Hart as a NBA starter. AD got what he wanted. I'm still not sure how the "David Griffin is a super GM" narrative played out here. He didn't do anything differently than Dell Demps would've eventually done.
You were cocky all year saying KD to the Knicks is a lock. We are going to end up with RJ Barrett and nothing else. Such a let down.
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You were cocky all year saying KD to the Knicks is a lock. We are going to end up with RJ Barrett and nothing else. Such a let down.
You are joking right? so it is the knicks fault he blew out his achilles?
Knicks probably still end up with him and then you will be complaining they signed him...
If Knicks decide to stay the course or sign younger players that is a good thing, it means they learned from their mistakes
So how is it a letdown? nothing has happened yet....you have no idea how free agency will go...
and i only wanted ad if it formed a big 3 or paired him with kd before injury
1. We get the 3rd pick in the draft.
2. KD ruptures his achilles and will likely miss all of 19-20.
The Knicks can still make some nice moves no doubt, but it’s been a disappoint SO FAR.
1. We get the 3rd pick in the draft.
2. KD ruptures his achilles and will likely miss all of 19-20.
The Knicks can still make some nice moves no doubt, but it’s been a disappoint SO FAR.
I dont know hoe anyome could of "expected" zion, there was a 14 percent chance and they still got 3 in a 3 player draft....
Still will probably end up with KD, really nothing to be dissapointed in, nkthing has happened yet..
and RJ Barrett can be an alpha offensively, he wants the ball and wants the big shots
2. Kemba Walker
Would you sign either of these players?
2. Kemba Walker
Would you sign either of these players?
i am on record saying i would sign russell to an offer sheet at 601
AD would have most likely been by himself for the year (even if Durant was on the team) not won anything and then bolt after the year anyway.
The Lakers of course wind up the beneficiaries of all of this because as stated above, they gave up a bunch of “shitbirds”.
Lots of tough luck for the Knicks so far but I’ve said all along, all will not be lost unless they start throwing stupid money around.
Draft Barrett, see how the Kawhi meeting goes, and keep tabs on Russell is Kyrie goes to BK.
Kemba Walker and Jimmy Butler are possibilities. Also Kyrie.
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Knicks could really add a lot of pieces if they go thay route..
from what i have read 18 to 20 million a year
No, they still are 3 million short for kd and irving...
And by all accounts KD does not want to go to brooklyn...
The main hope going into the offseason was signing KD, bringing in a second banana like Kyrie or Kemba, and contending in the East next season. Those signings can still happen, but without KD being able to play this year, we are looking at most likely another "lost" season.
It sounds like the goal is to still pursue Durant (which for all we know is because there was already some kind of handshake agreement in place), but the hope would be that with the the Durant injury, the front office is ready to shift gears. I think the best course of action would be one of the 3 scenarios:
1. Go after Kawhi. The odds of him leaving Toronto after winning the title are slim, but who knows, maybe he was turned off by them cheering Durant's injury. Kawhi is the fastest path to contention in 2020, and a team featuring Kawhi and Kyrie or Kemba is as good as anyone in the East.
2. Make a run at the top young free agents (this is one that nygiants16 has been advocating for). Primary target in this scenario would be D'Angelo Russell, and hinges on Brooklyn signing Kyrie and allowing Russell to walk. Beyond Kawhi and a healthy KD, D'Angelo to me would be the best possible get this summer. He is already an All-Star, and I think he is just going to continue to get better over the next 3+ years, throw max money at him without hesitation. Other potential fits in this strategy, depending on cost, would be:
- Julius Randle
- Kevon Looney
- Terry Rozier
- Malcolm Brogdon
3. Stand pat, develop the young guys, and make a run at star at a later date (either through free agency or trade). Everyone shits on the Lakers and how poorly they have been run, but there is a lesson to be learned from what's transpired over the last couple of seasons. There is value to having a bunch of young guys with potential on your roster, even if the end game isn't to keep them as your core, but to try and build a "super team." Maybe guys like Dennis Smith, Kevin Knox, Mitch Robinson, etc. don't have a ton of trade value right now, but if they get minutes next year and play well, then it will be much easier to send a package of those guys out for the next star that demands a trade. Hopefully things pan out and RJ Barrett turns into a star, let's focus on him and the other youngsters and see what options that brings us along the way.
No disrespect to the 3 or 4 Nets fans on this board just stating facts. How can you not want to be part of turning around the knicks.
Ha Ha Ha, I know for a fact that there is at least 6 Nets fans on this board!
Kareem
Shaq
Gasol
Howard (Okay he's a bust)
Davis
These fucks just land every great big man.
But it's the right way to do this. Things are looking up for the Knicks.. or so I hope.
90% of the time people go wherever the most money is. In the NBA there are maxes so the decision making criteria are different - but there are still about 100 factors ahead of franchise history. Teammates, chances of winning, management, location. This isn't a shot at the knicks, it's true of every single franchise in every sport. If Belichek leaves and the Pats suck for a decade no big free agent is going to say "I want to go to NE and rebuild that franchise". Unless they offer them more money than everyone else.
Even with that criticism, the Lakers will now sign a top guard and probably make the finals, and i get to hear how legendary Lebron is for creating another super team. Tired of it. I've grown to love watching him play. Everything else about him is just too much for me.
I get it. It fucking sucks to have had endured the constant losing year after year and when the light at the end of the tunnel was finally upon us, the entire team transformation plan go up in flames. Smart teams adapt. Let’s see if these guys go a different route. Personally, that means no KD, sign Russell, draft RJ, keep finding gems outside of round 1 like Mitch and Trier, and play the long game.
Zion
Morant
RJ
Personally, I'm excited about RJ and pairing it with our young core. I have little belief Frank will turn into anything more than what he has already shown offensively. I get he's still young. But I don't think he is a Knick opening day.
They just got the best best big man in the nba who is 26 years old. They gave up NOTHING. When they are winning 55-60 games these next 2-3 years no will remember the backup mediocre talents they jettisoned. Fucking garbage. Teams could have beaten that offer in spades. Lakers are such a blessed stepped in shit franchise it’s sickening.
In short, if it goes right it goes really right. Better chance it goes wrong and the Lakers are fucked for a while.
We will see but I hope they fail.
Knicks need to proceed carefully. Stinks that KD is hurt, not so sure I want him at this point.
I am all in on Russell if his max is only 23M.
At this point I’d say no to Durant.
Pelicans did well considering the circumstance. They will be very fun to watch with Zion.
Kemba is a very good player but I think the Lakers would be making a mistake if they’re just targeting him. They don’t need a Kemba next to LeBron/AD, they should be targeting Patrick Beverley and/or JJ Redick + veteran 3nD type wings imo.
Lakers have a 2-3 year window here with LeBron/AD and that’s a small window but 1 title makes this all worth it. I expect them to get at least 1 together. And if LeBron is a Karl Malone type of cyborg, maybe the window is even bigger.