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So what is the meaning of a "slasher type" RB ? ...

Manny in CA : 6/16/2019 12:52 am

Over the years, I've heard several definitions and examples ..

Some say that such an RB gets through the holes very quickly then have outstanding great cut-back ability like the great Gayle Sayers, Barry Sanders, Hugh McIlheny etc. - to escape tacklers and leave them in their wake.

In my mind, slashers are tackle breakers. They don't look for contact (like the great bruisers - Jim Brown & Taylor and Csonka lived for it; enjoying the pain they inflicted), but welcomed it, when it came ...

The best I've ever seen are:

#1 "Highsteppin" Roger Craig . ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQt6KjjzqYo

#2 . Marshawn "Beastmo" Lynch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lDDZGLBkFY

#3. Marion Barber (I called him "Herky Jerky")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmIby3LYkQ

(I always had utmost respect for Emmit Smith, but Barber, I always wished that I could throw something at him)






Beast Mode  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 6/16/2019 12:59 am : link
You dont think he welcomed contact?
Like I said ..  
Manny in CA : 6/16/2019 1:19 am : link

Slashers (including Lynch welcomed it) but didn't go looking for it.

More "bruiser" types include Tampa Bay's Mike Alstott, & the Giants Brandon Jacobs.

Here's the ultimate list of the guys I'm talking about ...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/775399-nfl-the-top-ten-power-running-backs-of-all-time#slide0
No mention of.....  
jnoble : 6/16/2019 1:39 am : link
...OJ Simpson?

You see, because...
:-)
Five years from now ....  
Manny in CA : 6/16/2019 1:40 am : link

We may very well look back and say that the greatest slasher of all-time is Saquon Barkley. At 6'0", 234 he can "juke" turn on a dime, jump over tacklers and when they catch him, rip away from their tackles.
Yes to OJ too ...  
Manny in CA : 6/16/2019 1:53 am : link

He could do it all.
I think slasher type RBs  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/16/2019 6:52 am : link
are considered one-cut backs. They aren't necessarily power backs. They set up the cut and then make the cut into an open lane and accelerate. They don't have a lot of wiggle, more just acceleration and finding a lane. They are therefore more limited than a Saquan who can make people miss and reverse field.
Good thread  
Tuckrule : 6/16/2019 7:20 am : link
To me a slasher is a one cut type back that just knows how to turn it upfield and find the seams. Examples to me are guys like Chris Johnson, Lamar Miller types. Not much power in their game but just a gift to find the smallest of seams and squeeze through. Saquon has pieces of that in his game but he’s too complete of a back to call him a slasher. That would be insulting.
Terrell Davis  
Capt. Don : 6/16/2019 8:48 am : link
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RE: No mention of.....  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/16/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14473350 jnoble said:
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...OJ Simpson?

You see, because...
:-)


Fits 1000000X better than Lynch on every level
RE: Five years from now ....  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/16/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14473351 Manny in CA said:
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We may very well look back and say that the greatest slasher of all-time is Saquon Barkley. At 6'0", 234 he can "juke" turn on a dime, jump over tacklers and when they catch him, rip away from their tackles.

I would not call Sanders or Saquon slashers. They are a pinball running style. I would add AP and Tomlinson to the list. Slashers are big powerful fast hard to tackle one on one guys.
"slasher type" RB ? = Gayle Sayers  
BCD : 6/16/2019 11:41 am : link
although he could do it all....best ever hands down!!!!!
RE: I think slasher type RBs  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/16/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14473383 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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are considered one-cut backs. They aren't necessarily power backs. They set up the cut and then make the cut into an open lane and accelerate. They don't have a lot of wiggle, more just acceleration and finding a lane. They are therefore more limited than a Saquan who can make people miss and reverse field.


Basically this imo.

Guys who depend on acceleration and making one cut to get upfield. Limited shake-n-bake moves. The power aspect of these runners can vary.
Quick one cut runners  
Reale01 : 6/16/2019 1:33 pm : link
Clinton Portis was one.
Thanks Osi ...  
Manny in CA : 6/16/2019 1:53 pm : link

I think you gave the best description. (Take it back about Barkley, he's a lot more than that limited description).

I'll go back to my original slasher examples - Craig, Lynch and Barber.
All of them made that first cut and then ripped through subsequent tackles.

The classic power backs (Alstott, Okoye, Csonka,) were big men didn't care about being shifty, just aimed at a destination and ran over anybody in their way.

Some terms get used a lot without a clear, commonly-held definition.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/16/2019 3:08 pm : link
"Slasher" is one. It's descriptive of a player's style, it conjures a mental picture of what the guy does on the field, but it's vague as a category. Osi's definition is pretty good.

So if there's a category of "slasher," what are some other categories. "Scatback" seems to be one. What's a scatback? A small, fast, elusive back? I don't think Ahmad Bradshaw or Joe Morris were scatbacks, because they didn't rely on elusiveness. Am I wrong?

What are some other categories and what defines them?
Some here have nailed it but  
GoDeep13 : 6/16/2019 4:12 pm : link
Scatback- Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, Lesean McCoy, etc

Slashers - Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, Arian Foster etc

Bruisers - Okoye, Alstott, Brandon Jacobs, Marshawn Lynch, Csonka etc

Freaks - Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Adrian Peterson, Bo Jackson, (Saquon Barkley)

OJ Simpson was a slasher...  
sober297 : 6/16/2019 4:13 pm : link
too soon?
RE: I think slasher type RBs  
Matt in SGS : 6/16/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14473383 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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are considered one-cut backs. They aren't necessarily power backs. They set up the cut and then make the cut into an open lane and accelerate. They don't have a lot of wiggle, more just acceleration and finding a lane. They are therefore more limited than a Saquan who can make people miss and reverse field.


Perfect description. If you go back to the Giants running back stable in the late 1980s/early 1990s you had pretty much every type of running back.

OJ Anderson- Power back/hammer
Rodney Hampton- became a power back/hammer, but he actually started as a power back with speed/cuts
Dave Meggett- Scat back (ie- smaller running back out of backfield who caught the ball and took advantage of mismatches)
Lewis Tillman- Slasher back. He was a one cut runner who would find a hole, cut and accelerate and go from there. No wiggle, somewhat limited, but effective.
So what about  
Ozarkman : 6/16/2019 7:13 pm : link
Joe Morris. I seem to remember a cut, then he had some good acceleration.
I think Tiki Barber was a slasher, as well as Jim Brown.  
SterlingArcher : 6/16/2019 8:32 pm : link
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I don't really have an opinion on this.  
madgiantscow009 : 6/16/2019 8:52 pm : link
but curtis martin is somebody they called a slasher.
Ahmad Bradshaw  
Samiam : 6/16/2019 8:55 pm : link
An RB that runs angry
Lewis  
Rolyrock : 6/16/2019 9:45 pm : link
Tillman.
Jim Brown was a big man ...  
Manny in CA : 6/17/2019 12:04 am : link

Who was as big as most of the biggest LBs of his day. He was fast, strong, determined and angry.

A term like slasher is a characterization that attempts to  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/17/2019 1:21 am : link
pigeon hole an RB's style.

IE it's a qualifier, a limiting type of description, so pretty naturally it shouldn't be used when describing all time greats like Jim Brown or Gayle Sayers or Barry Sanders or OJ Simpson or Adrian Peterson or what we've seen so far from Barkley.

These guys transcend simple descriptive labels.
MArion Barber?  
djstat : 6/17/2019 8:18 am : link
Is not in the top 3 of anything and certainly not in the same company as Roger Craig or Lynch.
RE: Ahmad Bradshaw  
jerseyjokes : 6/17/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14473876 Samiam said:
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An RB that runs angry


Nah, Bradshaw was far too shifty. Ward was the slasher back at that time.
What was Tiki?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 6/17/2019 12:00 pm : link
Not a slasher. Not a scatback, kind of undefined like Emmitt, a great vision patient RB, on the smaller side gets lost behind a bunch of big bodies than spurt out for a 40 yard run type.
Tiki was a master at cutback running...  
x meadowlander : 6/17/2019 12:09 pm : link
...call it what you want, but in the early 2000's, Giant OL's were subpar and Tiki made absolute BANK exploiting poorly blocked plays, when the hole wasn't there, he'd cut back and find one. He frustrated the hell out of defenses - they'd have a play perfectly defended, the gap blown up, but Tiki was SO quick - really similar traits to Barkley when I think of it in terms of that stop on a dime shiftiness and explosive speed, Barber also had fine hands and was devastating in the open field.

I never thought the Giants would ever get a back that good again. Somehow, the got one better!
RE: I think slasher type RBs  
Thegratefulhead : 6/17/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14473383 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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are considered one-cut backs. They aren't necessarily power backs. They set up the cut and then make the cut into an open lane and accelerate. They don't have a lot of wiggle, more just acceleration and finding a lane. They are therefore more limited than a Saquan who can make people miss and reverse field.
This
Emmit?  
Joey from GlenCove : 6/17/2019 1:21 pm : link
Like I would call him a slasher or a bruiser.

Where do you place him and Curtis Martin?
D.J. Ware  
NYFootballGiants : 6/17/2019 8:11 pm : link
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RE: OJ Simpson was a slasher...  
Tuckrule : 6/18/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14473691 sober297 said:
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too soon?


/end thread
Does...  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 6/19/2019 8:16 am : link
...Tony Dorsett qualify as a "slasher"?
Actually...  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 6/19/2019 8:21 am : link
...looking at his highlight reel, his looks like a lighter version of Saquon. He's shiftier than I remembered:
Tony Dorsett - ( New Window )
That should read...  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 6/19/2019 8:21 am : link
..."he looks".
RE: RE: I think slasher type RBs  
Brown_Hornet : 6/19/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14473692 Matt in SGS said:
Quote:
In comment 14473383 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


Quote:


are considered one-cut backs. They aren't necessarily power backs. They set up the cut and then make the cut into an open lane and accelerate. They don't have a lot of wiggle, more just acceleration and finding a lane. They are therefore more limited than a Saquan who can make people miss and reverse field.



Perfect description. If you go back to the Giants running back stable in the late 1980s/early 1990s you had pretty much every type of running back.

OJ Anderson- Power back/hammer
Rodney Hampton- became a power back/hammer, but he actually started as a power back with speed/cuts
Dave Meggett- Scat back (ie- smaller running back out of backfield who caught the ball and took advantage of mismatches)
Lewis Tillman- Slasher back. He was a one cut runner who would find a hole, cut and accelerate and go from there. No wiggle, somewhat limited, but effective.
Perfect

Tillman was the 1st back that came to mind.
RE: Tiki was a master at cutback running...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/19/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14474275 x meadowlander said:
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...call it what you want, but in the early 2000's, Giant OL's were subpar and Tiki made absolute BANK exploiting poorly blocked plays, when the hole wasn't there, he'd cut back and find one. He frustrated the hell out of defenses - they'd have a play perfectly defended, the gap blown up, but Tiki was SO quick - really similar traits to Barkley when I think of it in terms of that stop on a dime shiftiness and explosive speed, Barber also had fine hands and was devastating in the open field.

I never thought the Giants would ever get a back that good again. Somehow, the got one better!
Agree, but when running zone...
...there is no hole. Tiki had the vision to find the LB and run where he wasn't.
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