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Let's say Eli has a good, but not great, year....

Milton : 6/16/2019 4:38 am
The Giants win the division, beat a wild card team in the first round of the playoffs, but then lose to the Rams or Packers in the next round. Eli's numbers are good, but not dominant. He does an excellent job of running the offense, the turnovers are limited, but so are his wow moments. Maybe Jones gets to start the final, meaningless game of the season and performs well. He makes some plays with his feet that open some eyes (and no, I'm not saying he kicks somebody in the face).

In this hypothetical, the Giants make the decision not to re-sign Eli. So my question isn't what should the Giants do with Eli, it's where does Eli land in that scenario?

The first place to look would be Jacksonville, but they just signed Foles to a big deal, so he would have to fall flat on his face for them to move on so quickly. On top of that, the 2020 QB class is supposed to be a good one, so the teams in most need at the position are likely to be the same teams in good position to draft one. I'm sure there will be at least a team or two in the market for him if he's coming off a good year, but I'm having a hard time thinking of who that might be.

Why do I care? There could be a 2021 3rd round comp pick in it for the Giants.
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Hard to believe  
joeinpa : 6/16/2019 5:56 am : link
Any team would sign a quarterback who will turn 40 at the end of the 20 season. If Giants Don t resign Eli, I think he s done.
Think Eli will retire after this season  
UberAlias : 6/16/2019 6:00 am : link
He wants to play his career with the Giants. If he shows he still has something in the tank after this season I can see he looking into continuing to play for another team but in the end I don’t see anything materializing that will make it worth it to him putting in another uniform. He’s not going to take any discounts to play for someone else and needs to be more than just a hope to win a SB — would need to be a serious contender. I do t see that happening so Eli will retire a Giant.
Thank him for being a great QB and better person in the community  
Rick in Dallas : 6/16/2019 6:04 am : link
Wish him well in his retirement where he will make loads of money.
If he has a good  
Allen in CNJ : 6/16/2019 6:10 am : link
year and the team makes significant progress with him leading it, and they bow out of the playoffs as a real future contender, I say he comes back for another year and another shot at a championship. Jones can sit for 2 years, or play sparingly in "package" situations - and I honestly think we'll see Jones this year in different packages/situations designed for him to run the offense.
RE: If he has a good  
joeinpa : 6/16/2019 6:15 am : link
In comment 14473368 Allen in CNJ said:
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year and the team makes significant progress with him leading it, and they bow out of the playoffs as a real future contender, I say he comes back for another year and another shot at a championship. Jones can sit for 2 years, or play sparingly in "package" situations - and I honestly think we'll see Jones this year in different packages/situations designed for him to run the offense.


Taking a quarterback with the 6th pick and sitting him for 2 years is not likely. I think it is a scenario those fans who are saddened by the thought of Eli s career ending cling to, but IMO, Gettleman and Shurmur are not going to do that.
Tenn. Titans might be a landing spot.  
Diver_Down : 6/16/2019 6:24 am : link
They are in what DG refers to QB hell. A player who does enough, but doesn't deliver. They are in football purgatory with Mariota. 9-7. Good enough to make the playoffs (2017). Good enough to keep them drafting out of reach at the top of the draft to secure the next franchise. With next year's crop of QB, there is no guarantee that they will get their guy. They have traded for Tannehill who is the poster boy for QB Hell. Miami who has been churning through QBs for 20 years had to send a 6th round pick and pay part of Tannehill's guarantees to unload him. He might serve as an adequate backup for when Mariota is injured.

They will likely have to aggressively trade up in the draft to get a top QB. Mariota won't be back. He is already earning a $21M salary for this year. He is earning $5M more than Eli this year. Are they satisfied with letting Tannehill lead at the top of the depth chart while a rookie gets ready to play (if they are successful in drafting the next franchise QB)? I could see the Titans signing Eli as a bridge for the drafted rookie or until they can draft a new QB.
Jones is Gettleman's and Shurmur's QB.  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/16/2019 6:48 am : link
He appears to be a great system fit, quick learner, and has an entire toolbox of things he can do with his legs that Eli never had.

Will Eli play for another team? Will any other team want him? Doubtful at best.
Jones is Gettleman's and Shurmur's QB.  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/16/2019 6:49 am : link
He appears to be a great system fit, quick learner, and has an entire toolbox of things he can do with his legs that Eli never had.

Will Eli play for another team? Will any other team want him? Doubtful at best.
The only way this is an issue. Dak walks and the Cowboys signs Eli  
George from PA : 6/16/2019 7:07 am : link
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If Eli wanted to play another year, he'd go to a team that was strong  
Ira : 6/16/2019 7:16 am : link
overall, but needed a qb.
there are 2 models  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 6/16/2019 7:21 am : link
The first is Namath to the Rams or Montana to the Chiefs. The second is Phil Simms who could have played for the browns, but chose not to.

In your scenario, Eli could go either way, but I think I would lean toward the Simms example.
My guess he retires at the end of this year. His best opportunity  
Blue21 : 6/16/2019 7:27 am : link
other than that might be as a backup QB for someone for very little money. I don't see him doing that.
Titans  
WillVAB : 6/16/2019 7:48 am : link
A similar thread popped up a month or two ago. Titans make the most sense.
For one thing  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/16/2019 7:54 am : link
there is no way he gets re-signed by the Giants. Even if he plays well Jones will start under center week 1 2020. You don't invest a top pick on a player and sit him in today's NFL. Getty knows this, but he is playing the PR game.

As for Eli, I could see someone like Tennessee giving him a one year deal as a transitional guy, but I suspect he is done.
Resign for 1 year  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/16/2019 8:12 am : link
I think the question for management is if they feel the team is ready for a deep run the following year with another draft and all the free agency money.

Maybe PS and DG might feel Jones is ready but I have a hard time seeing them take a SB contending team and entrusting it to Jones who is a unknown. Eli has done it.....twice.

I definitely can't see Mara/Tisch not giving Eli one more chance particularly with how they screwed up the 2nd half of his career. The only thing I strongly hope is that it would be a one year extension only.

I actually think this may in fact become a reality as I believe the Giants are going to surprise many this year. Or we'll see in training camp is arm has fallen off a cliff and it is a moot point.

Eli will continue to be the Giants starting QB  
Jimmy Googs : 6/16/2019 8:33 am : link
‘till hell freezes over...
If Haskins fails,  
WillieYoung : 6/16/2019 8:35 am : link
Redskins, although they have $32 Million in dead money from Smith in 2020.
Milton,  
robbieballs2003 : 6/16/2019 8:40 am : link
You answered your own question. You said the Giants aren't resigning him and the year is over. They can't do anything else. If they aren't resigning him they can't trade him. I'm confused.
RE: Milton,  
robbieballs2003 : 6/16/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14473425 robbieballs2003 said:
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You answered your own question. You said the Giants aren't resigning him and the year is over. They can't do anything else. If they aren't resigning him they can't trade him. I'm confused.


Oh, I got you. I misread what you wrote. I thought y9u said what will the Giants do not the opposite.

Too early to have any definitive answer on that. Too much changes throughout the year. And the draft is after FA so unless a team is picking in like the top 4 or 5 they cannot just assume they'll get a QB in the draft. We have to see injuries, retirements, draft positioning, etc.
RE: Milton,  
Milton : 6/16/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14473425 robbieballs2003 said:
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You answered your own question. You said the Giants aren't resigning him and the year is over. They can't do anything else. If they aren't resigning him they can't trade him. I'm confused.
He signs with another team as an unrestricted free agent and the Giants pick up a comp pick the following year (2021). The question is: what team does he sign with? Titans could be a fit that potentially makes sense.
if Jones is turning heads  
fkap : 6/16/2019 8:47 am : link
Eli will not be brought back if he's only a game manager. Eli needs to be outstanding (or Jones completely shits the bed) to be considered.

They're not sitting a hot prospect and paying big bucks to an old QB who is not the future, even if he is playing decent.

With a young team that is on the rise, the window of opportunity is more than just one year. sitting Jones messes with the window. Only if Jones looks bad are the Giants in one year desperation mode.
I highly doubt  
Big Rick in FL : 6/16/2019 8:47 am : link
Eli plays for anybody else. After this year he'll have made $252,280,004 in on field earnings. He's won 2 SBs and 2 SB MVPs. Will be top 8 all time in basically all the passing categories. He's a lock for the HOF. He's got nothing left to prove or accomplish. He just seems like he will be a 1 team player.

Unless Eli wins a Super Bowl I don't see any way DJ isn't the starter come Week 1 of 2020. I can't see this season being much different than the last two so I think DJ will be starting long before Week 1 of 2020.
Manning will retire a Giant.  
Britt in VA : 6/16/2019 8:51 am : link
That's what he's always wanted, and that's what he'll do. I'm certain of it.
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Big Rick in FL : 6/16/2019 8:54 am : link
Our WRs are average at best. It'll take some time for the OL to gel. The Defense could eventually be good, but they are relying on a lot of young guys/rookies to make an impact. Normally not a recipe for success.

We play the Pats Week 6 on Thursday night and then have 10 days off before we play the Cardinals. I think that's the game that DJ will make his first start.

They have a fairly easy schedule from Week 7 until the Bye Week. We got the Cards, Lions, Cowboys & Jets. Only one of those involves travel. Jones gets experience against 3 shit defenses before going into the Bye Week.

Starting him at that time makes much more sense then starting him after the Bye Week on the road against a great Bears Defense.
RE: Resign for 1 year  
joeinpa : 6/16/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14473419 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I think the question for management is if they feel the team is ready for a deep run the following year with another draft and all the free agency money.

Maybe PS and DG might feel Jones is ready but I have a hard time seeing them take a SB contending team and entrusting it to Jones who is a unknown. Eli has done it.....twice.

I definitely can't see Mara/Tisch not giving Eli one more chance particularly with how they screwed up the 2nd half of his career. The only thing I strongly hope is that it would be a one year extension only.

I actually think this may in fact become a reality as I believe the Giants are going to surprise many this year. Or we'll see in training camp is arm has fallen off a cliff and it is a moot point.


The Eli that took the Giants to two Super Bowls was a different player than the Eli of today. As to Mara and Tisch, they have been extremely loyal to Eli and probably don’t share the sentiment they messed up the second half of his career
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christian : 6/16/2019 9:24 am : link
I wouldn't count out the Bucs, and as crazy as it might seem, if Brees calls it quits, NO.
There is always the possibility that Eli plays well and the Giants are  
Hades07 : 6/16/2019 9:42 am : link
not winning. Moving to Jones and trading Eli to a contender that lost their QB to injury. Eli has a no trade clause, but in this scenario he may waive it for the chance at a play-off run if he's going to sit here anyway. If the Giants aren't winning, I can't imagine the Giants will continue to play Eli regardless of how well he is performing individually.
That would be Perfect for Eli  
GeoMan999 : 6/16/2019 9:52 am : link
He ends his career making the playoffs. That would be wonderful for him.

An added benefit is that he retires before Ben R. and Rivers, thus avoiding the talk of which of the three should make the Hall of Fame.

He can go into the HOF by first and by himself. No five year discussion about which of the three should make it by the stinking media!!
Joe  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/16/2019 11:45 am : link
Eli was 31-32 years of age after 2011. In the following years they dumped in OC, HC and changed systems.

The issue has been the OL in following years. They never fixed in properly. Management tried to address all the other issues except what was the actual reason. So we will disagree on ownership's role.

Does he have enough still? We shall see this year. If he does not you move on (I have no issue with that) but there is still a lot of value if he has enough left. Eli possesses a rareness to show up big in big games and if the team shows the potential to make the deep run the following year and Eli still has it I believe you give him another year.

Regardless, I do not think Eli will want to play anywhere else.
The reality is Eli  
Dave on the UWS : 6/16/2019 12:36 pm : link
Expects to be the Giants QB until he’s 45 or so. His ego doesn’t allow for anything else. There’s MO way this doesn’t end up messy. Jones HAS to be the starting QB next year or they waste his rookie deal. Mara is so hyper sensitive where Manning is concerned, he will have to have his arm twisted big time for the sake of the franchise. That’s why any talk about Jones winking the job in training camp is laughable. Eli will NOT retire he will have to be cut- like Simms.
RE: ...  
Diver_Down : 6/16/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14473454 christian said:
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I wouldn't count out the Bucs, and as crazy as it might seem, if Brees calls it quits, NO.


Despite Winston getting a vote of confidence for the coming season, the Bucs are going to be terrible. Winston will walk and the Bucs should be in the top 5 of the draft to get one of the QBs. Eli could be a placeholder, but I just don't see it.

N.O. on the other hand is a possibility if Brees retires. His arm fell off a cliff in the second half of the season. I think this is his final season. They will still finish our of reach of the choice QBs so Manning can fill the role as game manager while they still have a good team.
RE: RE: ...  
Klaatu : 6/16/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14473562 Diver_Down said:
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N.O. on the other hand is a possibility if Brees retires. His arm fell off a cliff in the second half of the season. I think this is his final season. They will still finish our of reach of the choice QBs so Manning can fill the role as game manager while they still have a good team.


And what a story if Eli ends up in New Orleans!
Who the Hell Knows?  
Samiam : 6/16/2019 12:44 pm : link
So many things can happen between now and next year that I don’t see the point in speculating. Up until a few days ago, Knicks fans were locked into Kevin Durant. Football is way more violent than basketball. Jones looks like he might be the QB of the future. Was it Joe Frazier who said everyone looks good until somebody smacks in the face (or something like that). We know nothing about Eli’s plans going forward other than he wants to be here now. I don’t get all this mind reading. I want to enjoy the season. Haven’t done that too much lately
I hate the idea of Eli in another uniform  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/16/2019 12:52 pm : link
It's selfish, but I hope retires a Giant when the time comes.

I can't predict where he may land. As someone said above, I would have thought Jacksonville an option but that door may have closed with Foles. Also agree Tennessee seems like they would be interested.
RE: RE: ...  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14473562 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14473454 christian said:


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I wouldn't count out the Bucs, and as crazy as it might seem, if Brees calls it quits, NO.



Despite Winston getting a vote of confidence for the coming season, the Bucs are going to be terrible. Winston will walk and the Bucs should be in the top 5 of the draft to get one of the QBs. Eli could be a placeholder, but I just don't see it.

N.O. on the other hand is a possibility if Brees retires. His arm fell off a cliff in the second half of the season. I think this is his final season. They will still finish our of reach of the choice QBs so Manning can fill the role as game manager while they still have a good team.


The Titans and Saints are really the only two possibilities for Eli. Brees's arm fell off a cliff in the second half of two seasons in a row now. I wouldn't have been surprised if he retired this year if the Saints didn't go out like that.
RE: Who the Hell Knows?  
Milton : 6/16/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14473570 Samiam said:
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Was it Joe Frazier who said everyone looks good until somebody smacks in the face (or something like that).
I think you're thinking of Mike Tyson's quote...
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"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
RE: The reality is Eli  
MOOPS : 6/16/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14473560 Dave on the UWS said:
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Expects to be the Giants QB until he’s 45 or so. His ego doesn’t allow for anything else. There’s MO way this doesn’t end up messy. Jones HAS to be the starting QB next year or they waste his rookie deal. Mara is so hyper sensitive where Manning is concerned, he will have to have his arm twisted big time for the sake of the franchise. That’s why any talk about Jones winking the job in training camp is laughable. Eli will NOT retire he will have to be cut- like Simms.


Eli"s contract expires in seven months. He's not getting another one. Don't see why his exit has to be messy.

The front office and Eli will have the 'talk' before the season starts. Eli will ride off into the sunset after this season and he'll be a pro about it.
What constitutes a "great" year for Eli and the team?  
RickInCharlotte : 6/16/2019 1:21 pm : link
I disagree that there's "no way" Eli will be re-signed. The question is where is that dividing line? If the Giants win the Super Bowl, of course he's coming back. That's not likely to happen, so start walking the line back. How good of a season does Eli and team have to have in order for him to play for the NYG in 2020?

Super Bowl loss?
A home playoff win and a loss in the NFC Championship?
Two playoff wins and a loss in the NFC Championship?
A wild card playoff road win and a divisional round loss?
A home playoff loss?
A wild card playoff road loss?

12-4 overall? 11-5?
6-0 record inside the division? 5-1? 4-2?

4400 yards passing?
4:1 TD:INT ratio?

Would Rivers or Rothlisberger be sent packing under similar circumstances?

I hope we're all rooting for such a future debate because it will mean the Giants are winning in 2019.
Best outcome  
Reale01 : 6/16/2019 1:48 pm : link
The best outcome is that the Giants win the Superbowl and Eli retires. He could go out on top with a great big F-you to naysayers.

He will get a shot at it this year. He will be under pressure to get off to a fast start. If they are close this year and he plays well I think he will get a chance to compete for the starting job next year to take another shot at it. I believe he will retire if he doesn't win the job next year.

The Giants will not consider having him back unless he plays very well this year. Its a tough position for Eli, but it may bring the best out of him.

The OP's scenario is basically Alex Smith in his last year in KC.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/16/2019 2:18 pm : link
In that case Jones becomes the starter in 2020 and the Giants let Eli go. The decision is clearly in his hands. I think then it comes down to: How much would he be worth on the open market? How badly does he want to keep playing? Is he willing to consider being a backup, or to be brought in as a bridge quarterback to show a rookie how it's done?

My guess is he's not going to get starter money from anybody, and he has no interest in collecting a smaller paycheck in a strange city, and then he'd retire.

One exception: New Orleans. If they bring him in to back up Brees, or if Brees is hurt and they want Eli to play, I bet he'd do that. It's his hometown, he has family there, and it might be worth it to him to take lesser millions to play there.
Has Eli ever had a "great" year?  
Vanzetti : 6/16/2019 4:38 pm : link
He has had great playoff runs in 2007 and 2011. But his regular season performance tends to be good rather than great.

So, to me the question really means: what if Eli has an Eli year? And it is a good question because I fully expect him to be close to the "old Eli," both in the good and bad sense of that term.
As long as  
MarkT : 6/16/2019 5:03 pm : link
is the best quarterback on this team, he stays and starts. When he is not, he will retire.
Eli...  
MarkT : 6/16/2019 5:04 pm : link
Eli has a good year
I just don't see the Giants sitting on Jones  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/16/2019 5:14 pm : link
past this season in any senario.
Short of something  
Sneakers O'toole : 6/16/2019 5:15 pm : link
unforseen and catastrophic.
RE: Has Eli ever had a  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2019 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14473711 Vanzetti said:
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He has had great playoff runs in 2007 and 2011. But his regular season performance tends to be good rather than great.

So, to me the question really means: what if Eli has an Eli year? And it is a good question because I fully expect him to be close to the "old Eli," both in the good and bad sense of that term.


If he has a year like that you gotta think the Titans and Saints will be buyers. They are both set up for him to suceed as well with strong olines and run games.
RE: What constitutes a  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/16/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14473587 RickInCharlotte said:
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I disagree that there's "no way" Eli will be re-signed. The question is where is that dividing line? If the Giants win the Super Bowl, of course he's coming back. That's not likely to happen, so start walking the line back. How good of a season does Eli and team have to have in order for him to play for the NYG in 2020?

Super Bowl loss?
A home playoff win and a loss in the NFC Championship?
Two playoff wins and a loss in the NFC Championship?
A wild card playoff road win and a divisional round loss?
A home playoff loss?
A wild card playoff road loss?

12-4 overall? 11-5?
6-0 record inside the division? 5-1? 4-2?

4400 yards passing?
4:1 TD:INT ratio?

Would Rivers or Rothlisberger be sent packing under similar circumstances?

I hope we're all rooting for such a future debate because it will mean the Giants are winning in 2019.


Eli's best td int ratio is 2.5/1. So if he has a career year than yeh he should come back. Supremely unlikely though.
Rookies will play.  
Q v2.0 : 6/16/2019 5:59 pm : link
Inevitably, a bunch of rookies will have to play this year, including QB Jones in certain ‘situations’. Not packages, because he is expected to learn the entire offense by the opener.

As coach Shurmur has said, movement plays for the QB are in the playbook, but he hasn’t called them.

Let’s face it, watching Eli and Tom, 8 SB wins between them, run a 440 would age all of us considerably.
simms  
Simms : 6/16/2019 6:06 pm : link
I recall being a cap casualty after having perhaps one of his top three seasons in his career.

True the giants had little clue to how the cap worked, as others too.

Should Eli have a good season and Jones emerges hard to see him stay on. If Eli becomes player of the year type of season can see one more season, but think its still a stretch.

If Farve, Payton, and others finish wearing another jersey Eli would not shock me. Being an Eli guy hope he does have a good season worth stepping away with his head held up high.

I would wish no less for any aging vet who gave his all to his team.
Moops- the problem  
Dave on the UWS : 6/16/2019 6:41 pm : link
comes in if Eli has a “decent” year and sits down with Mara and says “I want to continue to play”, and Mara says “anything you want. Eli will have to be shown the door, he’s not leaving voluntarily. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
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