NFT: Yankees at White Sox 6/16

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In comment 14473704 section125 said:

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HR game streak....19 in a row and now 8-2...

Wow double eff up in that post - Maybin and 9-2

we let him go

He may not be long for this Yankees team, but he belongs on a roster.

That is surprising. 11 HRs and 30 rbis. Except for the BA that is pretty decent.

In comment 14473622 arniefez said:

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I read it on BBI a 100 times. Unless it's a pitcher the Yankees might trade for then strikeouts matter more than anything.

How a batter produces runs isn't that important as long as he produces runs. How a pitcher produces outs is important since he can take his defense out of the game through strikeouts. But this probably just went over your head.

In comment 14473700 Stan in LA said:

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In comment 14473665 xman said: Quote: and getting torched. Don't know what happened to him Quote: On Thursday night in San Antonio, Sheffield never made it out of the second inning, giving up eight runs on eight hits, including three homers, a walk and three strikeouts. It dropped his record to 2-6 with a 6.87 ERA in 12 starts and one extended relief appearance for Tacoma. In 55 innings, he�s allowed 59 hits and 42 runs with a whopping 41 walks and 48 strikeouts. In those 12 starts, he�s pitched past the sixth inning in just two. He�s failed to make it past the third inning in his last three starts, giving up 20 earned runs in seven innings for a 25.71 ERA with 11 walks and eight strikeouts. But most scouts are quick to point out that Sheffield is only 23. His stuff and athleticism are still above average. But there�s a belief that his projection isn�t for 2019 and possibly not as a starting pitcher but as a reliever. That would be a setback of sorts for the Mariners, who are counting on Sheffield to be a part of their future rotation. They targeted him as a key prospect when the decision was made to trade veteran players in hopes of adding young talent to the system. Link - ( New Window )

There is some talk that Kevin Reese pegged him as a mediocre reliever cause he felt he would never develop control and at 23 it was unlikely he would show that much improvement unless he completely rebuilt his delivery. Also his stuff hasn't been as good in the last couple years. That is why the Yankees moved him despite being their #1 ranked prospect. Reese was a former Yankees farmhand who is now their Director of Player Development.

He just proves us wrong.

In comment 14473737 Deejboy said:

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In comment 14473622 arniefez said: Quote: I read it on BBI a 100 times. Unless it's a pitcher the Yankees might trade for then strikeouts matter more than anything. How a batter produces runs isn't that important as long as he produces runs. How a pitcher produces outs is important since he can take his defense out of the game through strikeouts. But this probably just went over your head.

Take his defense out of the game through strikeouts? Actually by pitching quickly you keep your defense in the game. I'm sure Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander (to name a few) may disagree with your assessment.

In comment 14473715 bigbluehoya said:

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He may not be long for this Yankees team, but he belongs on a roster.

I'd prefer NYY DFA Cessa before Maybin and use a 4 man bench for a while... I'm assuming the first 2 moves for EE and Stanton are Tauchman and Frazier to AAA Scranton. The Maybin decision does not have to be made until Judge returns later in the week.

In comment 14473605 section125 said:

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lose? What a weak ass lineup. I swear he tries to see just how weak a team he can field and try to win. If I were Paxton, I'd sue for support.

If I were Paxon I�d start pitching like an ace. Boone�s lineups are fine, fans need to get over it and pitchers need to pitch well regardless of who�s in the lineup.

Yankees fans are becoming insufferable with the constant lineup bitching.

Scranton for EE

Meredith Marakovits
‏Verified account @M_Marakovits

Clint Frazier optioned to AAA #yankees

hide him until a trade or injury. Everyone knows how good his bat is, no need to showcase him if he hits a slump in the bigs.

hope we trade him where he can be in the major leagues. He doesn't deserve to still be in the minors. That post game interview was rough

In comment 14473752 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14473605 section125 said: Quote: lose? What a weak ass lineup. I swear he tries to see just how weak a team he can field and try to win. If I were Paxton, I'd sue for support. If I were Paxon I�d start pitching like an ace. Boone�s lineups are fine, fans need to get over it and pitchers need to pitch well regardless of who�s in the lineup. Yankees fans are becoming insufferable with the constant lineup bitching.

It�s been that way since day 1 around here. There�s venting and then there are yankee threads.

BBI isn�t alone though. I can�t go ten minutes talking Yankees without people bashing Boone. He�s been terrific.

In comment 14473759 JPinstripes said:

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Scranton for EE Meredith Marakovits �Verified account @M_Marakovits Clint Frazier optioned to AAA #yankees

Some kind of a trade involving Frazier for a starting pitcher is imminent then. No reason to stash him in AAA otherwise as he doesn't belong there

In comment 14473752 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14473605 section125 said: Quote: lose? What a weak ass lineup. I swear he tries to see just how weak a team he can field and try to win. If I were Paxton, I'd sue for support. If I were Paxon I�d start pitching like an ace. Boone�s lineups are fine, fans need to get over it and pitchers need to pitch well regardless of who�s in the lineup. Yankees fans are becoming insufferable with the constant lineup bitching.

He got away with it today. Have to give him credit. But I do think he can spread the days off a little better so he isn't removing three big bats in the same game. They are being smart resting guys before the Dog Days. And he is extra smart to keep an eye on Didi. His throws have not looked so good since he has back, I'm sure there is some residual trepidation.

And I'm fairly certain Paxton is pitching as well as he can no matter who is in the lineup.

Judge, Voit, Stanton, Sanchez, Encarnacion...how do you pitch to that

In comment 14473806 dpinzow said:

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Judge, Voit, Stanton, Sanchez, Encarnacion...how do you pitch to that

And Hicks, Didi, Torres and DJ....... Wow.

Come on Cash, let's get a pitcher now.

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In comment 14473806 dpinzow said: Quote: Judge, Voit, Stanton, Sanchez, Encarnacion...how do you pitch to that And Hicks, Didi, Torres and DJ....... Wow.

I know Boone likes to hit Judge 2nd but I'd like to get a couple of men on base for him in the 1st inning so I'd hit him 3rd

Lemahieu (3B) (.300 hitter leading off)
Torres (2B) (perfect 2 hitter, makes contact and has some power)
Judge (RF) (best hitter on the team)
Voit (1B) (he's earned the cleanup spot and you need someone who has a great approach at the plate to protect Judge)
Stanton (LF)
Sanchez (C)
Encarnacion (DH) (pitchers will be shaking their head seeing a hitter of his caliber in the 7th spot)
Didi (SS)
Hicks (CF)

Bench: Gardner, Urshela, Romine, Maybin/Tauchman

send Frazier down where he will play everyday and work on his outfield play. Keeping Maybin is smart as he is least affected by lack of playing time. If Frazier is Gardner's replacement, he needs to get to league average or better in his defensive play and he can do it.

In comment 14473802 dpinzow said:

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In comment 14473759 JPinstripes said: Quote: Scranton for EE Meredith Marakovits �Verified account @M_Marakovits Clint Frazier optioned to AAA #yankees Some kind of a trade involving Frazier for a starting pitcher is imminent then. No reason to stash him in AAA otherwise as he doesn't belong there

Odd take. I'm sure he'll be available for the right pitcher, but with Judge and Stanton coming back Frazier was not going to play. And he certainly wouldn't be a late inning defensive replacement. There's zero reason to keep him up with the current roster, he's better off getting at bats and more comfortable in the field in AAA

In comment 14473632 superspynyg said:

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In comment 14473631 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: In comment 14473626 superspynyg said: Quote: There will be no pitching around our one up. No easy outs. I would like to see 3b LeMahieu RF Judge Lf Stanton DH Encarnation 1b Voit C Sanchez SS Didi Cf Hicks 2b Torres If Torres can play a good 3b then switching him and DJ would be best. DJ is a better 2b. Judge will still be in AAA. He is a little behind Stanton with rehab. Yea but it starts tomorrow with Stanton back.

I like the looks of that but IMO, no way Gary bats below Voit or Encarnacion

In comment 14473816 dpinzow said:

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Lemahieu (3B) (.300 hitter leading off) Torres (2B) (perfect 2 hitter, makes contact and has some power) Judge (RF) (best hitter on the team) Voit (1B) (he's earned the cleanup spot and you need someone who has a great approach at the plate to protect Judge) Stanton (LF) Sanchez (C) Encarnacion (DH) (pitchers will be shaking their head seeing a hitter of his caliber in the 7th spot) Didi (SS) Hicks (CF) Bench: Gardner, Urshela, Romine, Maybin/Tauchman

Do not know that they will keep the 4th bench player. I wish they would but with CC and Happ not going deep they need the extra pitcher in the pen unless they designate Cortes to be CC's relief and Hale for Happ...

However, there are so many permutations to that lineup, he could bat almost anyone anywhere and it would be deadly. But I'll bet Judge returns to #2.

LeMahieu 3B
Judge RF
Voit 1B
Stanton LF
Sanchez C
Encarnacion DH
Gregorious SS
Hicks CF
Torres 2B

I can see them flipping Sanchez and Voit or even Didi to get a lefty in there.

In comment 14473782 lightemup said:

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hope we trade him where he can be in the major leagues. He doesn't deserve to still be in the minors. That post game interview was rough

I do feel bad for him as well. Tough situation, guy is a major leaguer and deserves to play somewhere.

This is the perfect time for him to show whether his fielding problems are related to last year's concussion syndrome, either directly or indirectly (i.e., psychologically). If he can move up to being a moderately decent outfielder, his trade value spikes, or he becomes the next candidate to return if someone gets hurt.

In comment 14473816 dpinzow said:

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Lemahieu (3B) (.300 hitter leading off) Torres (2B) (perfect 2 hitter, makes contact and has some power) Judge (RF) (best hitter on the team) Voit (1B) (he's earned the cleanup spot and you need someone who has a great approach at the plate to protect Judge) Stanton (LF) Sanchez (C) Encarnacion (DH) (pitchers will be shaking their head seeing a hitter of his caliber in the 7th spot) Didi (SS) Hicks (CF)

You can be sure the Yanks won't bat Didi and Hicks 8th and 9th. They're the only two LH bats in that lineup. They'll both be higher up in the lineup and they'll have two RH bats at least in between them.

In comment 14473898 Del Shofner said:

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In comment 14473816 dpinzow said: Quote: Lemahieu (3B) (.300 hitter leading off) Torres (2B) (perfect 2 hitter, makes contact and has some power) Judge (RF) (best hitter on the team) Voit (1B) (he's earned the cleanup spot and you need someone who has a great approach at the plate to protect Judge) Stanton (LF) Sanchez (C) Encarnacion (DH) (pitchers will be shaking their head seeing a hitter of his caliber in the 7th spot) Didi (SS) Hicks (CF) You can be sure the Yanks won't bat Didi and Hicks 8th and 9th. They're the only two LH bats in that lineup. They'll both be higher up in the lineup and they'll have two RH bats at least in between them.

I don't think the old norms hold up with this team. The lineup will be tinkered with daily after Stanton's spot.

All good either way!

In comment 14473898 Del Shofner said:

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In comment 14473816 dpinzow said: Quote: Lemahieu (3B) (.300 hitter leading off) Torres (2B) (perfect 2 hitter, makes contact and has some power) Judge (RF) (best hitter on the team) Voit (1B) (he's earned the cleanup spot and you need someone who has a great approach at the plate to protect Judge) Stanton (LF) Sanchez (C) Encarnacion (DH) (pitchers will be shaking their head seeing a hitter of his caliber in the 7th spot) Didi (SS) Hicks (CF) You can be sure the Yanks won't bat Didi and Hicks 8th and 9th. They're the only two LH bats in that lineup. They'll both be higher up in the lineup and they'll have two RH bats at least in between them.

I might be wrong, but I think in the modern analytics era, teams elect to get their best hitters- or the guys who the numbers say have a better chance that day- the most ABs. I don't think which side you hit from matters much anymore.

Besides, this is a righty heavy lineup- at least 6 any night, with the possibility of an all-righty lineup some nights. I don't think that one or two lefty bats are going to force opposing managers to worry much about trying to plan match-ups.

Hicks CF
Judge RF
Stanton LF
Sanchez C
Gregorius SS
Encarcion 1B
Voit DH
LeMahieu 3b
Torres SS

especially as most of our righty hitters hit to all fields and hit both righties and lefties. But I also think they fit one of Didi or Hicks in the middle of the order, Boone seemed to like that last year. My stab at it:

LeMahieu
Judge
Didi
Stanton
Sanchez
Voit
Hicks
Encarnacion
Torres

Assuming all healthy, that�s an insane lineup no matter how you slice it. Also allows for rotating rest days with Urshela, Gardy, and Romine rotating in without giving up too much power.

In comment 14473928 Milton said:

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Hicks CF Judge RF Stanton LF Sanchez C Gregorius SS Encarcion 1B Voit DH LeMahieu 3b Torres SS

LeMahieu needs to lead off. Swap him and Hicks and that's the lineup I'd use

In comment 14473802 dpinzow said:

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In comment 14473759 JPinstripes said: Quote: Scranton for EE Meredith Marakovits �Verified account @M_Marakovits Clint Frazier optioned to AAA #yankees Some kind of a trade involving Frazier for a starting pitcher is imminent then. No reason to stash him in AAA otherwise as he doesn't belong there

As a hitter no. But as a fielder YES! Right now he is a DH and that doesn't help the Yankees at all. It's not like he was below average and his hitting could get away with it. He was historically bad in the OF. Scouts were saying he was getting no jump off the bat and was taking the worst routes they had ever seen. I think the concussions really effected him. But he has to improve of he is a DH and that really limits his career.

he was going down no later than Tuesday. It's just the way the roster is constructed. Encarnacion is too good to pass up for that price and Clint is being dangled. It's a business kid.

Its very logical that concussions would damage spatial and depth perception.

I don't know the neurology of it, but perhaps those capabilities come back over time or 100 fly balls per day hit his way.

In comment 14473967 Bill2 said:

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Its very logical that concussions would damage spatial and depth perception. I don't know the neurology of it, but perhaps those capabilities come back over time or 100 fly balls per day hit his way.

When my daughter had a concussion, the neurologist told us it takes a year and a half for the brain to fully recover from a concussion.

Sorry about your loved one. Hopefully she will fully recover.

Since the post, I looked up the restoration of visual capabilities post concussion. It takes a while to regain the combination of tracking and depth capabilities.

Its perfectly possible that pitch recognition at 60 feet comes back faster than depth, speed, angle, curve against a wildly different background and light takes quite some time to come back.

Add the loss of confidence that comes from healing in front of huge audiences and this can be a tough challenge. Nor is it guaranteed that he recovers well enough to play in the outfield in the elite level league.

Repetition per day is the slow available path

In comment 14473931 MookGiants said:

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In comment 14473928 Milton said: Quote: Hicks CF Judge RF Stanton LF Sanchez C Gregorius SS Encarcion 1B Voit DH LeMahieu 3b Torres SS LeMahieu needs to lead off. Swap him and Hicks and that's the lineup I'd use

I know Boone loves Judge in the 2 spot, but I'd like to see this lineup with LeMahieu behind Hicks at #2 and sliding everyone else down one spot.

Hicks sees a lot of pitches and is suited well for leading off and DJ just hits. He IMO would be a perfect guy batting behind Hicks and setting the table for the sluggers following them.

In comment 14473978 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14473931 MookGiants said: Quote: In comment 14473928 Milton said: Quote: Hicks CF Judge RF Stanton LF Sanchez C Gregorius SS Encarcion 1B Voit DH LeMahieu 3b Torres SS LeMahieu needs to lead off. Swap him and Hicks and that's the lineup I'd use I know Boone loves Judge in the 2 spot, but I'd like to see this lineup with LeMahieu behind Hicks at #2 and sliding everyone else down one spot. Hicks sees a lot of pitches and is suited well for leading off and DJ just hits. He IMO would be a perfect guy batting behind Hicks and setting the table for the sluggers following them.

So many possibilities with this lineup. But LeMahieu has been a hitting machine with RISP, as has Urshela (and Frazier).
I always thought it a bit strange with Judge in the 2 hole, but that is old school vs analytics. But yeah Eman11, I can see your point.

Hicks
LeMahieu
Judge
Stanton
Sanchez
Voit
Encarnacion
Gregorious
Torres

Sick with Torres batting 9th. Near .300 w/14 HRs... I cannot see Gary below 5th.

Section and really it would only be his first AB where he could be more of a table setter (unless Hicks gets an extra base hit) after that with the way this lineup will turn over, there's no doubt he'll still get plenty of AB's with RISP.

You're right though, so many possibilities with this lineup and I'd bet Boone doesn't go with one set one.

I like your lineup too but I think Didi is higher in the order. Partly because of him being a lefty bat but mostly because he's crushing it right now and is one of their more solid all around hitters.

One thing for certain, it's going to be a lot of fun watching this going forward as any one of those bats can carry the team. I see it as almost a fun competition thing between them and being so deep it should take any pressure off the team if one guy slumps for a week. There will be plenty of other guys to pick up the slack.

In comment 14474002 Eman11 said:

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Section and really it would only be his first AB where he could be more of a table setter (unless Hicks gets an extra base hit) after that with the way this lineup will turn over, there's no doubt he'll still get plenty of AB's with RISP. You're right though, so many possibilities with this lineup and I'd bet Boone doesn't go with one set one. I like your lineup too but I think Didi is higher in the order. Partly because of him being a lefty bat but mostly because he's crushing it right now and is one of their more solid all around hitters. One thing for certain, it's going to be a lot of fun watching this going forward as any one of those bats can carry the team. I see it as almost a fun competition thing between them and being so deep it should take any pressure off the team if one guy slumps for a week. There will be plenty of other guys to pick up the slack.

Can you imagine Voit batting eighth if you bump Didi to sixth.

Realistic HR potential lineup (full season)
Hicks (25)
LeMahieu (12)
Judge (45)
Stanton (45)
Sanchez (35)
Gregorios (20)
Encarnacion (35)
Voit (30)
Torres (25)

Aside from wanting your best hitters to get the most ABs, it doesn't really matter all that much.

In comment 14474033 Greg from LI said:

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Aside from wanting your best hitters to get the most ABs, it doesn't really matter all that much.

So, then batting order does matter if you want the best hitters to get the most AB. (Which is why Boone actually would like Judge to lead off)

Exactly which order they fall in doesn't make much of a difference.

They wanted him to get plenty of AB's

In comment 14474041 Greg from LI said:

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Exactly which order they fall in doesn't make much of a difference.

Ok, reasonable...

Judge
Sanchez
LeMahieu
Gregorius
(Torres)

In comment 14474033 Greg from LI said:

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Aside from wanting your best hitters to get the most ABs, it doesn't really matter all that much.

I don't think anyone is worried about it, only having a discussion about it.

I disagree with your point though as there are plenty of reasons why a batting order matters in addition to getting your best hitters the most AB's possible.

You want a lead off hitter who see a lot of pitches, some guys need protection in the order so who bats behind them is important. You want your run producers getting the most opportunities as possible so where they bat matters.

Ideally you'd also like to make it tough on pitchers by stacking some challenging hitters together if possible as well as giving yourself some flexibility as far as speed/power goes if possible to take advantage of your teams strengths.

In comment 14474033 Greg from LI said:

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Aside from wanting your best hitters to get the most ABs, it doesn't really matter all that much.

Yep, I would concur. That was an encouraging effort by
Paxton, lets see if this rotation can pick it up a bit.
A tough homestand this week, need to play better ball,
can't play sloppy ball this week.