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judged for it. How they handle the draft with the 3rd pick and free agency with lots of cap space is crucial to the team's future.

and we shouldn't be surprised if the Knicks opt for Culver at 3 over Barrett. Ideally, the Grizzlies would take Barrett at 2, leaving Morant for the Knicks. Apparently, Perry LOVES Morant.



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is this appealling?

russell/vet point
barrett/trier
harris/knox
randle/vet big
robinson/vet big

young team with a ton of room to grow and hope would be russell and barrett turn into a stud back court

I know the common knowledge Toronto or Clippers/Lakers but do we have a shot?


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and KD got hurt that night for whatever it's worth.

i dont mind that, but its only a real competitor if multiple guys take steps and Barrett is a superstar. I dont think anyone else on that team is a superstar and to really win in this league you need one.

I might be more interested in just Randle and see if DSJ takes a step forward. We could use a PF much more then a guard. And hold our capspace a bit longer instead of locking in 40+ to Randle/Dlo

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is this appealling? russell/vet point barrett/trier harris/knox randle/vet big robinson/vet big young team with a ton of room to grow and hope would be russell and barrett turn into a stud back court

That's definitely a fun team, but I think it still leaves you a little short of being a real contender, even with some projected development. How much cap space does that leave for next offseason?

Not sure if Harris is a guy I like for NYK at the $ he will likely get.

the Knicks end up with no big FA's (especially Durant) and I see 90% of fans and realGM Knicks board resorting to discussions surrounding signing people like Russell and Randle....how is it such a close to sure shot that now we miss out on Durant now? Weird

the Knicks end up with no big FA's (especially Durant) and I see 90% of fans and realGM Knicks board resorting to discussions surrounding signing people like Russell and Randle....how is it such a close to sure shot that now we miss out on Durant now? Weird

But I'm not as much thinking they miss out on KD as I am hoping that they sit out on KD.

Now is not the time to sign a guy at 30+ years old who can't play this year and who we don't know will ever be the same.

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the Knicks end up with no big FA's (especially Durant) and I see 90% of fans and realGM Knicks board resorting to discussions surrounding signing people like Russell and Randle....how is it such a close to sure shot that now we miss out on Durant now? Weird

i still think durant wants to come, like i saidni go back and forth, but right now i think i pass and go young

KD, I'd assume the contract will be filled with both player and team options. But that's a massive amount of cap space to essentially devote to someone who will be injured for a year.

Such bad luck that KD went down. Outside of Russell, I don't see a FA that I would want to give a multiyear deal at max money (Kawhi doesn't count because I don't believe he would coming to NY).

I think that the team needs to be thoughtful with this cap space, because even if they give 2 guys max money on 1 year deals like Middleton and Cousins or whoever they will not be the long term answer. The only thing they can do for the team is move us to the ranks of the mediocre.

Durant is amenable to accepting team options.

plan is what the Knicks would do with the rest of the cap space. Sign another star who rides solo with the young-uns until Durant comes back? Can you convince another star to do that? If you can, then that's still probably the best path to being a contender. If you can't get the second star, what do we do with that money?

I think that's why you see folks interested in taking chances on contracts for younger guys who still have some upside, like Russell or Randle. It's a little more attractive than handing out big contracts to second tier stars that are maybe dubious teammates like Boogie or Butler.

I don't know if Russell + Randle would work and if they would meet their contract value. But they still have room to grow and improve and would make for a fun team to root for.

it would make the most sense if you sign KD to just suck again this year and let the kids improve and get another top 5 pick. Then add a good FA next year and get KD back. You would also have all the kids and another lottery pick if there was a star on the trade market. Or perhaps Barrett lit the world on fire and looks like he could be the #2 or #3 option on a contender.

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and we shouldn't be surprised if the Knicks opt for Culver at 3 over Barrett. Ideally, the Grizzlies would take Barrett at 2, leaving Morant for the Knicks. Apparently, Perry LOVES Morant. Don't shoot the messenger

marc berman?

and was refuted pretty quickly by other writers. Barrett hasnt worked out for anyone else. Now if we pass im sure NO would take him at 4 without working him out, but i feel like the knicks game him some sort of assurance.

pretty incomprehensible.

He's a highly coveted player by almost every other team. Making an independent decision that they don't want him is one thing, but if that's really the decision, it would seem pretty negligent not to at least get a return by moving back a bit.

As in all cases, it takes two to tango on a trade like that, but it seems there are more than 1 or two teams that would be buyers. (Pels at 4 likely one of them...)

we know you don't like Barrett. Lol.

Anyway, yeah if the Knicks pass on him I'd be shocked.

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In comment 14474006 Anakim said: Quote: and we shouldn't be surprised if the Knicks opt for Culver at 3 over Barrett. Ideally, the Grizzlies would take Barrett at 2, leaving Morant for the Knicks. Apparently, Perry LOVES Morant. Don't shoot the messenger marc berman?

No, it wasn't Berman. It was some article I came across on Twitter, but I forgot which one it was

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we know you don't like Barrett. Lol. Anyway, yeah if the Knicks pass on him I'd be shocked.

I like Barrett just fine. I just think he has a lot of work to do.

If they really didn't like him then they should trade down because there's no doubt there are teams that would move up to take him.

though not the athlete that Barrett is.

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If they really didn't like him then they should trade down because there's no doubt there are teams that would move up to take him.

I think the thinking is that Culver would be taken at 4 by the Pelicans, so the Knicks would lose him if they trade down.

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though not the athlete that Barrett is.

Barrett's quicker, but Hunter is bigger and stronger. Barrett has a much better handle and is better around the hoop, while Hunter is a lockdown defender and really good shooter.

So he's more physically developed

The only the way the Knicks should not take Barrett is if they get a kings ransom from a team that covets him. If NOLA wants him, it should cost some of those Lakers picks. We know Cleveland also covets him as well.

But he is just over 2 1/2 years older. You can easily say 3 as people say 2.

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In comment 14474090 Ira said: Quote: though not the athlete that Barrett is. Barrett's quicker, but Hunter is bigger and stronger. Barrett has a much better handle and is better around the hoop, while Hunter is a lockdown defender and really good shooter.

I really think Hunter will be a good NBA player. But one of the reasons that he's bigger and stronger than RJ is that he's 21 and RJ just turned 19 last week.

I think Hunter will be a really good 3 and D guy. He's a better prospect IMO than both the Bridges from last year, for example. It's not easy to project his game growing beyond that admittedly very valuable skillset but he has a really high floor. I'll be shocked if he's not a solid NBA player.

On the other hand, Barrett has a far wider array of skills than Hunter. He also has a far wider range of outcomes. On the plus side, he has the kind of scoring and playmaking skills that you could easily see bring him to an all star level. If he becomes a very efficient scorer, he could get to all NBA level. Conversely, if he remains at his current efficiency level, he'd be an inefficient chucker like so many other guys that came to the NBA and failed to make the leap.

For my money, the difference in the guy is the makeup. He's super competitive and driven. Add that to the talent and skills he already has and the sky is the limit. Knicks should pick him at 3.

Jay Bilas raves about Barrett, says he did nothing to lose his status as the #1 guy, except that Zion really blossomed. He does not understand why memphis was so fast to prefer Morant as RJ is the perfect guy for modern day NBA.

I like Barrett,but he's being a little overrated by those who handed in their draft card to Patrick Ewing last month,didn't feel like waiting.

star free agents were locked in - those two players complement stars better than Barrett. I have little faith in (healthy) star players coming at this point, so Barrett is the upside pick. I think the only real alternative would be Garland, whose game is tailor-made for the NBA.

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Jay Bilas raves about Barrett, says he did nothing to lose his status as the #1 guy, except that Zion really blossomed. He does not understand why memphis was so fast to prefer Morant as RJ is the perfect guy for modern day NBA.

Bilas slobbers all over dukies. I still like Ja more than Barrett.

he plays both ends of the floor.

Seems like an adult, similar to the NYG 20018 rookie running back a bit, IMO.

I don't think the Knicks have a shot but it would be great.

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In comment 14474098 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 14474090 Ira said: Quote: though not the athlete that Barrett is. Barrett's quicker, but Hunter is bigger and stronger. Barrett has a much better handle and is better around the hoop, while Hunter is a lockdown defender and really good shooter. I really think Hunter will be a good NBA player. But one of the reasons that he's bigger and stronger than RJ is that he's 21 and RJ just turned 19 last week. I think Hunter will be a really good 3 and D guy. He's a better prospect IMO than both the Bridges from last year, for example. It's not easy to project his game growing beyond that admittedly very valuable skillset but he has a really high floor. I'll be shocked if he's not a solid NBA player. On the other hand, Barrett has a far wider array of skills than Hunter. He also has a far wider range of outcomes. On the plus side, he has the kind of scoring and playmaking skills that you could easily see bring him to an all star level. If he becomes a very efficient scorer, he could get to all NBA level. Conversely, if he remains at his current efficiency level, he'd be an inefficient chucker like so many other guys that came to the NBA and failed to make the leap. For my money, the difference in the guy is the makeup. He's super competitive and driven. Add that to the talent and skills he already has and the sky is the limit. Knicks should pick him at 3.

Good points. One thing that concerns me regarding Barrett'a becoming an efficient shooter is his foul shooting. Players who don't do well behind the foul line often don't develop better jump shots.

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star free agents were locked in - those two players complement stars better than Barrett. I have little faith in (healthy) star players coming at this point, so Barrett is the upside pick. I think the only real alternative would be Garland, whose game is tailor-made for the NBA.

100% agree. Hunter would've been the best choice for a player immediately playing with KD and whomever. The Knicks in this situation need to go for the highest upside and that's Barrett. I don't love him either, but there's no other player I clearly would take over him.

The Knicks need a lottery ticket more than they need a high floor kind of prospect. Much as I love Dre, he is rather unlikely to become an NBA franchise player. Barrett probably won't either, but if you squint hard enough and tilt your head, he MIGHT have that ceiling.

otherwise we're in for a boring night. Summer League games should be fun - I think RJ/Mitch/Knox/Trier can topple the Frye/Lee/Nate squad as the greatest Summer League team in Knicks history - do they raise banners for that? Barring a Leonard signing, it might be the highlight of the season.

Morant so much, why not try and make a deal with the Grizzlies for the 2nd pick? Multiple ways we could accomplish that. Take a bad contract from them (Parsons?) plus the third, send DSJ and the 3rd pick, move 3 and a future pick etc.

(Without trading down for a boatload) will send the remotes flying.

would clear another 3 million and add another cheap rookie...

Then try to move down and acquire more assets. I am sure NO would love Barrett to pair with Zion

they spent 3 days with him, he is not working out for anyone else, and had professed his love for the Knicks...

Mills and Perry say thr same thing over and over again they do not want anyone who doesnt want to be here

fail to see any argument for Culver. He's 21 in February, Barrett just turned 19. Culver may be more physically developed but not hugely so given the age difference. Culver is shorter, Culver freshman year put up 11 and 5 with 2 assists on 46/38, Barrett 23 and 8 with 4 assists, 45/31% shooting (identical to Culver this season). Yes, Culver is the better defender that would be a really poor move. You only get X chances at drafting a star and Barrett could be that.

"He was in mourning after that loss," says Dwayne Washington, who has coached Barrett since he was 12. "Most people would have been like, 'I'm going to the league, I'm going to be a top-five pick. (Let's move on).'... He was burning."

That competitive drive has shaped Barrett as a player and person throughout a decorated high school career and his season at Duke. And those close to Barrett believe it will lead to success at the next level.

"Winning is the only thing that matters to him," Washington says. "There's no compromise.... Everything he's been about has been about winning, excellence, not being afraid to compete at the highest level, the biggest stage."

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Barrett will step onto the biggest stage of his life on Thursday night when he shakes commissioner Adam Silver's hand and puts on the hat of the team that drafts him. If everything goes the way it's projected, Barrett will have a blue Knicks hat on when he walks off the Barclays Center stage. New York is expected to select Barrett with the No. 3 pick.

And if they do, the immediate question some long-suffering Knicks fans will ask about Barrett is, can he handle the Big Apple?

Those who have spent time around Barrett believe the answer is a resounding yes.

"There's one guy in (the draft) that's built for New York City and that's RJ Barrett," says Rae Miller, an assistant coach at Montverde Academy, where Barrett played high school basketball. "He has the personality, the level of play that New York enjoys and he has the character."

"He's been raised with a New York mentality," says Washington, adding: "He is what people say New Yorkers are supposed to be -- aggressive, determined, confident and always pushing the envelope. That's how you get to greatness."

Barrett has embraced the idea of playing for the Knicks, a franchise that has won just one playoff series in the past 19 years. He's only met and worked out for New York in the weeks leading up to the draft, eschewing workout invites from other teams with top picks.

"This is the place I want to be, so I hope they draft me," he said earlier this month.
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The Knicks need a lottery ticket more than they need a high floor kind of prospect. Much as I love Dre, he is rather unlikely to become an NBA franchise player. Barrett probably won't either, but if you squint hard enough and tilt your head, he MIGHT have that ceiling.

Wow Greg coming from you that's gushing over Barrett! All joking aside I read where Boogie is looking at possibly another 1 year deal and the most the Warriors can offer is like 6 mill. I know I'm beating a dead horse, but you guys wouldn't take him here at like 2 years/20 mill or 1 year 10? Pair him with another FA and you still have all our assets AND cap space.

if we can get a late first for Frank. And honestly for a contender it might not be the worst gamble. We know he is a plus defender and i still think he can develop a shot. So for a contender he could have more value then a guy drafted 28th. And for us it gives us a chance to take someone with more upside (and save a few $$)

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though not the athlete that Barrett is.

Sorry but DeAndre Hunter is not a better shooter than Barrett. Hunter was the third best shooter on his college team.

I'm huge Virginia fan, and I like Hunter. But he will be a complementary player in the NBA. Im not completely 100% sold on Barrett but he has the highest floor in this draft.

But Culver is a legit prospect. To me it's not like Barrett is some kind of slam dunk. He didnt play this season in a way that justified him as a franchise-changing prospect, so this "he would have been the #1 pick before the season" means nothing.

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is this appealling? russell/vet point barrett/trier harris/knox randle/vet big robinson/vet big young team with a ton of room to grow and hope would be russell and barrett turn into a stud back court

Russell is appealing. Harris and Randle are not.

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fail to see any argument for Culver. He's 21 in February, Barrett just turned 19. Culver may be more physically developed but not hugely so given the age difference. Culver is shorter, Culver freshman year put up 11 and 5 with 2 assists on 46/38, Barrett 23 and 8 with 4 assists, 45/31% shooting (identical to Culver this season). Yes, Culver is the better defender that would be a really poor move. You only get X chances at drafting a star and Barrett could be that.

That's not a very strong argument.Age,Freshman stats,and shorter.Talent wise I don't think there's much of gap,if any.We're talking about a guys who's been slated to go 1 pick later.

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In comment 14474184 DanMetroMan said: Quote: fail to see any argument for Culver. He's 21 in February, Barrett just turned 19. Culver may be more physically developed but not hugely so given the age difference. Culver is shorter, Culver freshman year put up 11 and 5 with 2 assists on 46/38, Barrett 23 and 8 with 4 assists, 45/31% shooting (identical to Culver this season). Yes, Culver is the better defender that would be a really poor move. You only get X chances at drafting a star and Barrett could be that. That's not a very strong argument.Age,Freshman stats,and shorter.Talent wise I don't think there's much of gap,if any.We're talking about a guys who's been slated to go 1 pick later.

Shorter? Barrett is 6'7, Culver is 6'5-6'6, Barrett is the taller of the 2. Barrett was the #1 HS player in the nation 12 months ago, is younger and outplayed Culver. "1 pick later" is a major understatement. There is a clear "best player" and then the next 2... and then 3 of 4 guys in the next tier. Good luck finding more than a handful of "prominent' mock drafts that have anyone but Zion, Morant, Barrett as their clear top 3.

which make me think the Knicks will sign Durant. It was reported he is staying in New York over the summer at a hotel and it was also reported that Draymond Green was coming out this week to talk with him. That is significant because it wreaks of a last ditch effort to convince him to stay on the west coast. My biggest fear is that he would resign. That tells me he is not resigning. Also, if he opts out I think it is the Knicks. I would sign him even with the injury. Stay tuned. The next two weeks will be VERY interesting. LOVE that we did not do the AD trade.

points, rebound and assists. They shot about the same FG% and 3pt%. And Barrett was a freshmen. Culver is a prospect for sure, but he is not as good of a prospect as Barrett.

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which make me think the Knicks will sign Durant. It was reported he is staying in New York over the summer at a hotel and it was also reported that Draymond Green was coming out this week to talk with him. That is significant because it wreaks of a last ditch effort to convince him to stay on the west coast. My biggest fear is that he would resign. That tells me he is not resigning. Also, if he opts out I think it is the Knicks. I would sign him even with the injury. Stay tuned. The next two weeks will be VERY interesting. LOVE that we did not do the AD trade.

You should listen to what the lead surgeon at HSS had to say about Durant's injury.

A few things:

1) The repair is incredibly precise and tricky to pull off. Repaired too tight and he's higher risk to re-injure. Repaired not tight enough and he loses his "get off' step in that leg.

2) The calf and the achilles together should be considered a sign that Durant might just be very injury prone as he ages.

3) If he were going to give a contract to Durant he'd prefer it be short or backed up with great insurance, but if you listened it didn't sound like he would at all.

seems like a good fit for the Sixers for 24th overall, the Sixers have 2 high 2nd round picks (33 and 34) and it's doubtful they would get much value out of 3 picks that "late" as rookies. Frank likely could help them this season. Spurs pick 19 (likely too high) but also 29, the Bucks at 30 also seem like a fit

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seems like a good fit for the Sixers for 24th overall, the Sixers have 2 high 2nd round picks (33 and 34) and it's doubtful they would get much value out of 3 picks that "late" as rookies. Frank likely could help them this season. Spurs pick 19 (likely too high) but also 29, the Bucks at 30 also seem like a fit

You think the Knicks will get a first rounder for Frank? I'm not very optimistic of that.

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Sorry but DeAndre Hunter is not a better shooter than Barrett. Hunter was the third best shooter on his college team. I'm huge Virginia fan, and I like Hunter. But he will be a complementary player in the NBA. Im not completely 100% sold on Barrett but he has the highest floor in this draft.

First of all, UVA was #7 in the country at 3PT shooting, so no shit we had some shooters. Kyle Guy was a career 42.5% 3PT shooter. Jerome was at 39.2%. And where was Dre? 41.9% career, led the team with 43.8% this season.

And he's absolutely a better shooter than Barrett:

2PT%: Hunter 55%, Barrett 52.9%
3PT%: Hunter 43.8%, Barrett 30.8%
FT%: Hunter 78.3%, Barrett 66.5%

Yes, Barrett has the higher upside, but he is NOT a better shooter right now, and with that lousy FT% it's a rather large leap to assume that he ever will be.

I actually think Durant is going to sign with the Nets. I don't have any intel on it, just a hunch.

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Shorter? Barrett is 6'7, Culver is 6'5-6'6, Barrett is the taller of the 2. Barrett was the #1 HS player in the nation 12 months ago, is younger and outplayed Culver. "1 pick later" is a major understatement. There is a clear "best player" and then the next 2... and then 3 of 4 guys in the next tier. Good luck finding more than a handful of "prominent' mock drafts that have anyone but Zion, Morant, Barrett as their clear top 3.

I think you're putting too much stock in mock drafts.It's one thing to figure out where a guy might be drafted,it's another to make declarations like "3 player draft".

Things like that have said in other sports during draft time,and turned out to be wrong

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In comment 14474239 DanMetroMan said: Quote: seems like a good fit for the Sixers for 24th overall, the Sixers have 2 high 2nd round picks (33 and 34) and it's doubtful they would get much value out of 3 picks that "late" as rookies. Frank likely could help them this season. Spurs pick 19 (likely too high) but also 29, the Bucks at 30 also seem like a fit You think the Knicks will get a first rounder for Frank? I'm not very optimistic of that.

Late firsts really have a pretty crappy return rate and these teams likely get more out of Frank this season than a guy you take 28th.

Picks 24-30 over since 2016-

Luwawu-Cabarrot, Brice Johnson, Korkmaz, Siakam, Skal, Lydon, Pasecniks, Swanigan, Kuzma, Bradley, White, Simons, Wagner, Shamet, Williams, Evans, Musa, Spellman.

Now obviously Siakim is very good, as is Kuzma but all in all that's a pretty shitty group if you are a contender looking for "now" help.

Says that Kawhi will consider 5 teams this offseason.

Nothing earth shattering but

Raptors
Lakers
Clippers
Knicks
Nets

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In comment 14474228 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Shorter? Barrett is 6'7, Culver is 6'5-6'6, Barrett is the taller of the 2. Barrett was the #1 HS player in the nation 12 months ago, is younger and outplayed Culver. "1 pick later" is a major understatement. There is a clear "best player" and then the next 2... and then 3 of 4 guys in the next tier. Good luck finding more than a handful of "prominent' mock drafts that have anyone but Zion, Morant, Barrett as their clear top 3. I think you're putting too much stock in mock drafts.It's one thing to figure out where a guy might be drafted,it's another to make declarations like "3 player draft". Things like that have said in other sports during draft time,and turned out to be wrong

So you're of the belief Barrett is showing up 3rd by virtue of who the Knicks might take and not their industry view of him being the clear #3rd best prospect? Agree to disagree. Outside of defense there isn't really a single thing you can definitively say Culver is better at and yes, age matters when projecting.

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In comment 14474217 Vanzetti said: Quote: Sorry but DeAndre Hunter is not a better shooter than Barrett. Hunter was the third best shooter on his college team. I'm huge Virginia fan, and I like Hunter. But he will be a complementary player in the NBA. Im not completely 100% sold on Barrett but he has the highest floor in this draft. First of all, UVA was #7 in the country at 3PT shooting, so no shit we had some shooters. Kyle Guy was a career 42.5% 3PT shooter. Jerome was at 39.2%. And where was Dre? 41.9% career, led the team with 43.8% this season. And he's absolutely a better shooter than Barrett: 2PT%: Hunter 55%, Barrett 52.9% 3PT%: Hunter 43.8%, Barrett 30.8% FT%: Hunter 78.3%, Barrett 66.5% Yes, Barrett has the higher upside, but he is NOT a better shooter right now, and with that lousy FT% it's a rather large leap to assume that he ever will be.

First of all, you are comparing a freshman and sophomore. Look at Hunter's first year stats.

Secondly, Hunter took only 2.8 threes per game. Most of them were wide open looks. Conversely, Barrett had 6.2 three-point attempts per game.

Hunter is a good all-around player. His upside might be Ron Artest. However, he will not be a top scorer in the NBA, whereas Barrett projects as a guy who will be a 20+ ppg.

Now, if you want to say Barrett will be a guy who scores but does not make his teammates better, you might have an argument. But to say Hunter is a better shooter than Barrett is ridiculous.

Durant only does short deals so there is no problem there. Also I am basing my desire to have him on the fact that he will lose something but that even with losing something he will be one of the better players in the NBA. Finally, by signing Durant you bring in other big fish. Look at LA...five minutes after they sign KD Kyrie is talking about them as a destination. Durant helps greatly with the second max.

52.5% on 2s, 38.2% on 3s, 75.5% at the line. About the same as Barrett on 2s, still significantly better beyond the arc and at the line.

You want to say Barrett's the better prospect, fine, but absolutely nothing supports the argument that he's the better shooter. Not a thing.

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the Knicks end up with no big FA's (especially Durant) and I see 90% of fans and realGM Knicks board resorting to discussions surrounding signing people like Russell and Randle....how is it such a close to sure shot that now we miss out on Durant now? Weird

Can't help but feel the momentum building for us to strike out in free agency, but you're right - Durant at least is very much in play. If we were favorites pre-injury, why wouldn't we be favorites now? We're in a position to let him take a year off - other teams may not be so patient. Whether we can get another legit max will say a lot about Mills, Perry and Fiz as salesman.

the Lakers land Kawhi it's going to be hard to enjoy the NBA. That trio would be unstoppable.

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I am a UVA fan and have watched almost every UVA game in the past 3 years. I am in the (apparently small) camp that believes that DeAndre will be underwhelming as a pro. The second half of his last game was one of about 4 halves of basketball in his career where he played aggressively and acted like he wanted to be The Man. I guess that's good, but I can tell you that in general he was pretty passive on offense. His successful drives were against lesser players. He is not quick. And to those saying he's a very good outside shooter . . . he rarely took a shot when he was not wide open. You won't find much film of him making or even taking contested jumpers. Kyle Guy he is not.

I am actually surprised that the experts have him pegged as high as they do. I hope I'm wrong about him, because he's a good kid and I'd love to see him do well.

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the Lakers land Kawhi it's going to be hard to enjoy the NBA. That trio would be unstoppable.

You said this back in 2010 that it would be tough for you to keep following the Knicks if they struck out in FA - I doubt you are going anywhere.

What is the exact correlation between poor FT & and poor shooting? I know there is one, but what exactly is the explanation for the correlation?

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In comment 14474320 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Lakers land Kawhi it's going to be hard to enjoy the NBA. That trio would be unstoppable. You said this back in 2010 that it would be tough for you to keep following the Knicks if they struck out in FA - I doubt you are going anywhere.

Who said I'm "going anywhere"? But the Lakers would be close to unbeatable after already having insane lucky/history.

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What is the exact correlation between poor FT & and poor shooting? I know there is one, but what exactly is the explanation for the correlation?

I actually think it's the opposite in that a player who shoots well from the free throw line, but struggles with three pointers is seen as a guy who probably has good shooting form, but just needs to work on it more. A good example of that in college was Kawhi Leonard.

You would've never guessed it by watching him, but he said he's a righty

Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, & Kawhi stays in Toronto on a short deal.

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In comment 14474345 Anakim said: Quote: What is the exact correlation between poor FT & and poor shooting? I know there is one, but what exactly is the explanation for the correlation? I actually think it's the opposite in that a player who shoots well from the free throw line, but struggles with three pointers is seen as a guy who probably has good shooting form, but just needs to work on it more. A good example of that in college was Kawhi Leonard.

I think Barrett lacks all 3. He's what? A 65% FT shooter and shoots 30% from 3?

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Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, & Kawhi stays in Toronto on a short deal.

Kyrie ends up in brooklyn kd is following him there, kd is not coming to the knicks alone

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You would've never guessed it by watching him, but he said he's a righty

He just wanted a challenge.

"Shams also mentions that PHX has made Warren and Jackson available is separate deals, as well as the #6 pick."

the Knicks offers for AD included the #3 pick, Smith and Ntilikina. Knox and Robinson were never offered. We clearly weren't going all in, because that offer is a waste of time.

Way too much of a risk he'd just bolt for the Lakers. They are the only team who could feel confident in making their best offer, knowing that they will almost certainly sign him to an extension.

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn After Brooklyn declines to make a qualifying offer, F Rondae Hollis-Jefferson will become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN. Hollis-Jefferson, 24, defends multiple positions well. For now, Nets have $46M in cap space.

let kd and irving go to brooklyn, they think they can go all in and be succesful, let them...good luck

feeling justified that they in fact had the best offer is, not surprisingly, full of shit.

They simply made the best offer as they were negotiating from a position of strength thanks to Rich Paul and the petulant baby LeBron James.

I would be interested in Russell. But it scares me a little that the Nets don't seem to want to resign him. Zero interest in Harris or Randle. If thats what we get out of this offseason I will be furious.

What about Brogdon? I would be interested in him but its going to cost big for the bucks not to match.

I still think Durant is coming. I would be happy if they landed Russell or Brogdon, sign Durant and then have extra space for flexbility or fliers/ vets.

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I would be interested in Russell. But it scares me a little that the Nets don't seem to want to resign him. Zero interest in Harris or Randle. If thats what we get out of this offseason I will be furious. What about Brogdon? I would be interested in him but its going to cost big for the bucks not to match. I still think Durant is coming. I would be happy if they landed Russell or Brogdon, sign Durant and then have extra space for flexbility or fliers/ vets.

your friend still hearing durant to knicks?

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine Milwaukee is offering draft compensation this week in hopes of finding a team willing to take on the contract of Tony Snell or Ersan Ilyasova via trade, league sources say, as the Bucks seek to create added flexibility to retain elite status in the East

Illyasova is basically an expiring. That�s one I�d consider with their first.

for the 1st round pick.

they won't be giving away a boat load of draft picks but Durant and Irving will go about as well as Garnett and Pierce did for them. I would expect the Knicks to do that. I thought smart people were running the Nets?

of an offer if true. My guess is push comes to shove they offered knox, but it obviously didnt get that far. Glad to see the knicks not just back the truck up for once. ANd im sure they would have increased the offer if NO had more interest in Knox.

In comment 14474549 Anakim said:

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine Milwaukee is offering draft compensation this week in hopes of finding a team willing to take on the contract of Tony Snell or Ersan Ilyasova via trade, league sources say, as the Bucks seek to create added flexibility to retain elite status in the East

Would take Ilyasova for the 30th pick. Good player and its only 7 million guaranteed for next year. Would not touch the Snell contract...

to look at a pair of Williams kids

Carsen out of Purdue or Grant out of Tennessee.

When I watched Grant play, I couldn't help but think of a younger, more athletic Kurt Thomas.

The Knicks are not taking any contracts to impact their cap until they are sure they are not getting 2 Free Agents. The 30th pick is not worth reducing their CAP at this point.

I would use every penny of our cap space on contracts with draft picks attached to them. Snell, Ilyasova, Gallinari - next year's FA class sucks so it can be contracts with one or two years remaining. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddle masses, and your first rounders."

I understand the interest in guys like Russell or Randle, but they're not moving the needle enough.

Usually don�t make the league and they are guaranteed contracts. Pass.

we probably won't KNOW this week that we're out of the running for free agents, but the general philosophy still stands going forward.

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The Knicks are not taking any contracts to impact their cap until they are sure they are not getting 2 Free Agents. The 30th pick is not worth reducing their CAP at this point.

Not even for 1 year? And not when they basically need to rebuild through the draft or wait a couple years longer because (other than a Kawhi hail Mary) there's virtually no path to contention for them this year and no good free agents next year?

If Free agency was before the draft, would be easier to make that move. I can see if they know they are not getting anybody and other teams need to clear cap space, they could get future assets. Next year's draft is much better and deeper.

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they won't be giving away a boat load of draft picks but Durant and Irving will go about as well as Garnett and Pierce did for them. I would expect the Knicks to do that. I thought smart people were running the Nets?

i have no clue what you guys are talking about. the nets young core is centered around Levert and Allen and taking a shot on Dlo realizing his potential. If things go as they hope... the nets will still have their young core (plus kurucs, musa, 2 picks this year, prince, Din, Harris depending on if they trade)--- and just have swapped Kyrie for Dlo.

the comparison is lazy. Does it mean the nets decisions will turn out correct? i have no idea, but they are just lazy comparisons.

love a late #1 to use on Claxton. Big fan.

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Durant and Irving have no wear on them and neither has ever been injured. Two guys in their primes. Seems like a great idea.

Seriously? There's nothing special about him at all.

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Howard eisley left for michigan

I wonder how Fizdale truly feels about that - Mike Miller might be our very own Nick Nurse. Hope he gets consideration if/when Fizdale falls out of favor.

If BBI is any indication, a large percentage of Knicks fans really hate the Nets (cue: �no we don�t, NO ONE CARES�).

It�s weird. As a Yankees/Giants fan I really could not care any less about the Mets or Jets even when they win. And given the Nets are not even on Mets/Jets level, I really don�t understand where the anger germinates.

A lot of the most adamant Knicks BBI predictions re: the Nets (no big free agents will sign there, no one would prefer them over the Knicks) seem like they�re about to be proven false. Now the goalposts are moving, �KD and Kyrie will suck, lulz�.

I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town.

a Nets team of Kyrie, Lavert and Jarrett Allen doesn't scare me.

If I'm the Knicks I'm still going all in for Durant assuming Kawhi goes elsewhere.

DSJ/Frank
Barrett/Dotson/Trier
Durant/Knox
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Robinson

with a likely high lotto pick next year + room for a max next offseason is one hell of a position to be in.

In comment 14474683 threeofakind33 said:

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If BBI is any indication, a large percentage of Knicks fans really hate the Nets (cue: �no we don�t, NO ONE CARES�). It�s weird. As a Yankees/Giants fan I really could not care any less about the Mets or Jets even when they win. And given the Nets are not even on Mets/Jets level, I really don�t understand where the anger germinates. A lot of the most adamant Knicks BBI predictions re: the Nets (no big free agents will sign there, no one would prefer them over the Knicks) seem like they�re about to be proven false. Now the goalposts are moving, �KD and Kyrie will suck, lulz�. I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town.

I think most Knicks fans would love a Knicks/Nets rivalry. And also most Knicks fans do hate the Nets. That can be true AND it can be true that the Nets core isn't particularly intimidating.

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I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town.

I can only speak for myself. Because the Nets (as you described them) are the 7th team in town, any discussion of them in the media has to involve the Knicks in order to generate clicks and phone calls into talk shows. Thus, a 42-40 Nets team is treated like the '98 Bulls in order to maximize the humiliation for the Knicks. It's a common practice used by the print media in particular, and a few talking heads like Michael Kay. Should we just ignore it? Probably, but it's frustrating.

Kyrie Irving will be a good litmus test. He's been rumored to Knicks for months, and all you've heard is he's a cancer, injury-prone, flaky, Boston played better without him, etc. - I guarantee you that changes when he's holding up a Brooklyn jersey in a couple of weeks. Suddenly the theme will be, "the Nets stole a HOF point guard from the Knicks because they have such great culture!"

I'd reference Sean Marks storming the officials' locker room after a playoff game and getting suspended. Barely a ripple from the media. Woj even praised him for "standing up for his team." Imagine the reaction if a Knicks exec did that?

I used to love watching Jason Kidd's Nets teams, and got into Nets basketball a bit last year because they played such a fun brand of basketball, but I admit the agenda-driven lovefest gets the best of me from time to time. Nothing personal against any Nets fans - they're great fans who know their basketball.

In comment 14474687 Jon in NYC said:

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a Nets team of Kyrie, Lavert and Jarrett Allen doesn't scare me. If I'm the Knicks I'm still going all in for Durant assuming Kawhi goes elsewhere. DSJ/Frank Barrett/Dotson/Trier Durant/Knox ?? Robinson with a likely high lotto pick next year + room for a max next offseason is one hell of a position to be in.

This would be my plan A. I'd also offer Russell a deal if the Nets renounce his rights. Plan B if Durant goes elsewhere would be to try and work out 1-2 year deals with guys like Randle, Brogdon, Ross etc.

I think it's a bad idea for the Knicks to sit on their space or trade for non-factors to get late picks with their space because of what it does to young player development, especially guys that are raw and need more structure like Knox and Barrett.

unless Kawhi is somehow persuaded to sign here. I was on board from the start, though it's still hard to stomach KD tearing his Achilles right in the damn NBA Finals.

Fair enough. I�m really just surprised how much the Nets seem to be triggering folks this year. It�s strange to me.

On the core. I�m not as high on Allen as a lot of Nets fans, he has a long way to go. They won a lot in spite of him last year.

But, LeVert is All-Star caliber if he remains healthy and Kyrie is one of the 10-15 best players in the league. I�d say they�re off to a good start, with room for another max (a third All-Star caliber player). They also have very solid complementary pieces in Harris, Dinwiddie, Prince, Kurucs, Davis, etc. The infrastructure in Atkinson and Marks is the real ace in the hole though. They have built a winning organization, facilities and culture which is what is allowing them to now transition to getting the big fish.

In comment 14474697 bceagle05 said:

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Quote: I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town. I can only speak for myself. Because the Nets (as you described them) are the 7th team in town, any discussion of them in the media has to involve the Knicks in order to generate clicks and phone calls into talk shows. Thus, a 42-40 Nets team is treated like the '98 Bulls in order to maximize the humiliation for the Knicks. It's a common practice used by the print media in particular, and a few talking heads like Michael Kay. Should we just ignore it? Probably, but it's frustrating. Kyrie Irving will be a good litmus test. He's been rumored to Knicks for months, and all you've heard is he's a cancer, injury-prone, flaky, Boston played better without him, etc. - I guarantee you that changes when he's holding up a Brooklyn jersey in a couple of weeks. Suddenly the theme will be, "the Nets stole a HOF point guard from the Knicks because they have such great culture!" I'd reference Sean Marks storming the officials' locker room after a playoff game and getting suspended. Barely a ripple from the media. Woj even praised him for "standing up for his team." Imagine the reaction if a Knicks exec did that? I used to love watching Jason Kidd's Nets teams, and got into Nets basketball a bit last year because they played such a fun brand of basketball, but I admit the agenda-driven lovefest gets the best of me from time to time. Nothing personal against any Nets fans - they're great fans who know their basketball.

This. Ever since the Nets moved to Brooklyn the media has taken every opportunity possible to use the Nets to essentially taunt the Knicks. It's not Nets' fans fault though which is why I avoid making snarky comments about the Nets vs engaging in actual debate where there are merits to both sides of an argument. IE, "Jarrett Allen vs Mitchell Robinson".

I think that was a pretty cogent rationale. Thanks.

LaVert ever done that makes people think he�s all star caliber?

He�s got some skill. But all star caliber? I dont see it.

Look at his playoff stats (he was even better than the stat line) and the two months prior to injury last year. He had the numbers to back it up.

Russell was an All-Star last year and the vast majority of Nets fans would tell you LeVert is the better player.

He also plays both ends of the floor.

He�s really good and a great kid.

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LaVert ever done that makes people think he�s all star caliber? He�s got some skill. But all star caliber? I dont see it.

all-star caliber ≠ star or superstar. In the past 2 years Middleton, Vucevic, Drummond and Horford have all been all stars. Hell in 2015, Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver were all-stars.

See threeofakind, I can be objective although I can't defend your assessment of Kyrie as a top 10-15 player in the league :). *MAYBE* top 15 although I'd say he's in the 15-20 range. IMO he's not better than (in no order): Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, AD, Giannis, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, George, Embiid, Lillard, Jokic, Klay, KAT, Beal, etc.

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In comment 14474716 MookGiants said: Quote: LaVert ever done that makes people think he�s all star caliber? He�s got some skill. But all star caliber? I dont see it. all-star caliber ≠ star or superstar. In the past 2 years Middleton, Vucevic, Drummond and Horford have all been all stars. Hell in 2015, Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver were all-stars. See threeofakind, I can be objective although I can't defend your assessment of Kyrie as a top 10-15 player in the league :). *MAYBE* top 15 although I'd say he's in the 15-20 range. IMO he's not better than (in no order): Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, AD, Giannis, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, George, Embiid, Lillard, Jokic, Klay, KAT, Beal, etc.

I agree. No way is Kyrie top 10. If he's your number two, you can win though. He probably is 15 on that list. I don't think Beal is better. Kyrie's clutch give him the edge imo.

In Vucevic or does his lack of defense scare you off? He is a pretty good passer for a big man and can shoot the 3.

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In Vucevic or does his lack of defense scare you off? He is a pretty good passer for a big man and can shoot the 3.

Zero interest from me. Good play who will likely get paid like a great player. He'll be 29 in October. I prefer Randle who I don't think will get paid as much either although who knows.

From your list, I�d say the following were clearly better:
Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, AD, Giannis, Harden, Curry, George, Embiid, Lillard, Klay, Jokic. That would put him 13? KAT and Beal put up big numbers on bad teams.

As a basketball player only. Ignoring the less savory parts of his character.

I think Kyrie has a lot of growing up to do and hope coming back to the area and playing for the team he rooted for growing up will ground him a bit.

Knicks get brought up in any basketball conversation and it always negative even if it has nothing to do with them..

For example the davis trade to lakers, why are the knicks brought up? now it is the knicks are screwed and they have to do something..

Knicks do the smart thing and build with youth, they suck and it is going to take forever..

Knicks sign 2 guys, what are they doing same old knicks...

Evwry radio show today people are screaming and yelling that the knicks are screwed, someone calls in and says well what if they just take it slow, nope got to have it now, then somone says ok sign butler and harris, nope that is stupid, ok what do you want them to do? sign someone no more youth...

sorry rant over today just really annoyed me

I think Knick fans have been beaten down for so long that negativity is just the accepted norm.

BJ Armstrong said today while the Raptors are the favorite for Kawhi right now he�s hearing that both the Knicks and Clippers are �in the fold�. He�s a pretty prominent agent so it�s not like Cris Carter throwing it out there.

Toronto, but who knows? If he does stick around, the Raps should give an insane bonus to Alex McKechnie, who was in charge of Kawhi's load management.

This summer is going to be crazy.

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Toronto, but who knows? If he does stick around, the Raps should give an insane bonus to Alex McKechnie, who was in charge of Kawhi's load management. This summer is going to be crazy.

I feel like though if he was leaning toward staying today would of been the perfect oppurtunity to say he was staying...

In comment 14474999 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14474995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Toronto, but who knows? If he does stick around, the Raps should give an insane bonus to Alex McKechnie, who was in charge of Kawhi's load management. This summer is going to be crazy. I feel like though if he was leaning toward staying today would of been the perfect oppurtunity to say he was staying...

He�s a man of few words lol

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BJ Armstrong said today while the Raptors are the favorite for Kawhi right now he�s hearing that both the Knicks and Clippers are �in the fold�. He�s a pretty prominent agent so it�s not like Cris Carter throwing it out there.

to be fair chris carter is close to leonards uncle and his brother is kawhis inner circle

so he�s got to come up with things to say everyday that keeps people engaged

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so he�s got to come up with things to say everyday that keeps people engaged

Fox sports, him and nick wright actually have a pretty good show, i like nock wright

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In comment 14474566 arniefez said:

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they won't be giving away a boat load of draft picks but Durant and Irving will go about as well as Garnett and Pierce did for them. I would expect the Knicks to do that. I thought smart people were running the Nets?

You�re saying stupid things.

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it is really not a bad show, i know people hate chris carter but i dont mind it

But he could have been hammered for all we know. Everyone's drinking during those parades.

He did crack a joke about his laugh.

I actually think Kawhi would be a secretly good hang.

And none of them good for NYK.

I believe the Durant injury also took them out of the Davis talks.

Hoping Kawhi shocks people and comes to New York. That would right a lot of wrongs so far this offseason.

I'll be floored-FLOORED-if he signs with us. I really think it's either LAC or Toronto.

& they were talking about if KD doesn't play in Game 5. Raps win the Finals that night. KD doesn't tear his Achilles, Klay doesn't tear his ACL because there's no Game 6.

Unreal.

but I don�t see him going to the Clippers anymore, not with the Lakers building another super team in the same building. He apparently felt disrespected by the endorsements dollars he was offered in SA and wanted a bigger city to raise his personal brand. Winning it all with Toronto ad the lead guy may have changed that but playing second fiddle to the Lebron-AD and whoever else show certainly doesn�t seem too appealing

to get barrett.



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not with us

which would be a nice consolation. But I doubt that will happen.

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either guy and dont even really have a preference. At this point i may have locked myself into barrett. That said i dont think it matters cause i dont see how the pels get up to 2. MEM is rebuilding and there is a huge drop off to 4. Best asset that NO has left is a future first to go with #4 but i doubt thats enough. Those Laker picks could have value but not for awhile and i doubt MEM is that interested unless NO is willing to trade 4, a future first of their own, and one or two of the laker picks.

i prefer Barrett because i can see Barrett becoming a dominant scorer and being a top option offensively...

Which, let's be honest, is an unusual position for Knicks fans.

-175 and nets +300

where did you see that? -175 is crazy high odds all of a sudden that he is a knick.

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where did you see that? -175 is crazy high odds all of a sudden that he is a knick.

Yeah that�s such a huge shift. Makes me think something leaked.

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where did you see that? -175 is crazy high odds all of a sudden that he is a knick.

i saw it on another forum, asked for a link

or someone put a whole ton of money on KI to NY. That said i cant find anything online about an odds shift

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or someone put a whole ton of money on KI to NY. That said i cant find anything online about an odds shift

the odds do not change based on bets, it is not like betting on games or horse racing where lones shift...

Those odds are set by vegas and dont shift unless they change them

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In comment 14475235 Italianju said: Quote: or someone put a whole ton of money on KI to NY. That said i cant find anything online about an odds shift the odds do not change based on bets, it is not like betting on games or horse racing where lones shift... Those odds are set by vegas and dont shift unless they change them

Yes, the odds-makers change them....almost entirely based on bets placed. If someone comes in and makes a huge bet, the house will adjust the line almost instantaneously (or turn the prop 'off' while they decide what the line should be adjusted to)

it is not solely based on bets placed, vegas uses a bunch of different things to make the odds on future bets like this..

Like last year when the lakers were rumored to get lebron, they skyrocketed up the board...

Look at the knicks odds to win title that is not based on betting...

Lines shift because of betting, this is not just betting..

Someone can come in with a huge bet but if vegas feels like the outcome is not plausible they will leave the odds as is..

that said i dont think you see large wages placed on these kind of bets the same way you see them on games. So in theory a lot of the line is set by vegas as they protect themselves, but again the line will 100% move based on incoming bets.

something happened somewhere to make whichever sportsbook it was think he is likely a knick.

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that said i dont think you see large wages placed on these kind of bets the same way you see them on games. So in theory a lot of the line is set by vegas as they protect themselves, but again the line will 100% move based on incoming bets.

if vegas feels it is a likely outcome, the line would 100 percent move you are correct..

if someone places a 100 thousand dollar bet on the hawks to win the title the line is not going to move, that is my point

That�s is a huge change, personally I think it�s probably bs, not blaming NYgiants, but that is a huge change and without a link it�s almost unbelievable.

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That�s is a huge change, personally I think it�s probably bs, not blaming NYgiants, but that is a huge change and without a link it�s almost unbelievable.

I cant find it anywhere and i cant find the odds on my draft kings sportsbook

But whoever posted that could be a bs source. That�s a big move especially considering how confident people have been with him signing with brooklyn

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and got hammered for it and pulled down the prop, haha.

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and got hammered for it and pulled down the prop, haha.

I guess rhey pull it down every time they put it up..

but it doesnt make sense, if the nets are bringing in heavy bets why make them +300?

I wouldn�t put much into that

and it is overwhelming the prop why not just make them the overwhelming favorite? why even take bets at +300?

doesnt make sense to me why they would even make that bet available

or they get a wave of wagers they will adjust the line like 99% of the time. In a bet like that they assume the bettor has some inside information. This isn't like betting on a game where they shade lines. They put out props to collect the vig.

on those kinds of bets are typically very low. It's like betting on WWE. It's relatively low stakes. I wouldn't read too much into it.

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& they were talking about if KD doesn't play in Game 5. Raps win the Finals that night. KD doesn't tear his Achilles, Klay doesn't tear his ACL because there's no Game 6. Unreal.

Then Durant tears it days into his first training camp with the Knicks.

surprisingly

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surprisingly

Celtics are crumbling. I bet he takes a discount deal to go to LAL.

but the Celtics are gonna be the big losers of the summer. Kyrie and Horford gone, AD in Los Angeles, no more top five picks on a silver platter courtesy of the Nets trade. All they have to show for that trade is one very good player (Tatum) and one solid player (Brown). They'll find a way to stay competitive, but they haven't built anything close to what was expected with all those assets.

is the longest tenured Knick. Wow.

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but the Celtics are gonna be the big losers of the summer. Kyrie and Horford gone, AD in Los Angeles, no more top five picks on a silver platter courtesy of the Nets trade. All they have to show for that trade is one very good player (Tatum) and one solid player (Brown). They'll find a way to stay competitive, but they haven't built anything close to what was expected with all those assets.

ainge and stevens will still get their ass kissed and basically blame it all on kyrie...

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is the longest tenured Knick. Wow.

hahahaha fuck

Irving or Kemba plus Horford and they will be in the Finals.

Lakers-Bucks 2019-20 NBA Finals.

Write it down.

to stay 2-3 more years with Boston but at a lower AAV.

He has chsnged his shot a little bit to make it more effecient and smoother stroke. Also has worked on his shiftiness and working on side steps in the half court.

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is the longest tenured Knick. Wow.

have they officially waived Lance yet? If not, it's still him. He's like the Jared Jeffries of this era...

Scenario appears the most likely right now.

In comment 14475447 Chris684 said:

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Irving or Kemba plus Horford and they will be in the Finals. Lakers-Bucks 2019-20 NBA Finals. Write it down.

Literally zero chance of this happening

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In comment 14475444 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Quote: is the longest tenured Knick. Wow. have they officially waived Lance yet? If not, it's still him. He's like the Jared Jeffries of this era...

There was a report that the knicks planned to waive him, but nothing official

Lance Thomas is going to be waived since they picked up Triers option. As of right now nothing is official. But by the end of the month Frank will be the longest tenured Knick.

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Lance Thomas is going to be waived since they picked up Triers option. As of right now nothing is official. But by the end of the month Frank will be the longest tenured Knick.

I'm not sure Frank makes it thru Thursday.

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RJ Barrett's per-game averages in the six games Zion Williamson missed last season:

26.2 points (while shooting 49.6% from the floor),
8.2 rebounds,
5.2 assists
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Flash-forward to mid-June and the Knicks' plans for the offseason suddenly look murky.

They, of course, did not get the No. 1 pick in the draft � the New Orleans Pelicans landed it in a stunning jump in the lottery. The Knicks got the third overall pick.

Durant � so heavily rumored to be joining the Knicks that Newsday's Steve Popper described the feeling among league executives as "fait accompli" � tore his Achilles in the Finals, likely keeping him out of the entire 2019-20 season.

Irving now seems more interested in joining the Brooklyn Nets, according to various reports. He recently changed his representation to Roc Nation, an agency with ties to the Nets.

Davis was traded to the Los Angeles Lakers on Saturday. According to The Athletic's Shams Charania, the Knicks did not include second-year players Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson, two of their best assets, in offers to the Pelicans.
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@TommyBeer RJ Barrett's per-game averages in the six games Zion Williamson missed last season: 26.2 points (while shooting 49.6% from the floor), 8.2 rebounds, 5.2 assists 1.7 made 3-pointers. DuKe WeNt 3-3 wItHoUt ZiOn

What was his FGM-FGA for those games?

max contracts before signing Trier. Now,signing 2 may no longer be in the cards but if it is,I'd imagine they'd need to clear up more space besides Thomas. Wouldn't surprise me to see them try to move Frank for a mid/lower 1st as he was a Phil draft pick & it would open up cap space!

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In comment 14475544 Jon in NYC said: Quote: @TommyBeer RJ Barrett's per-game averages in the six games Zion Williamson missed last season: 26.2 points (while shooting 49.6% from the floor), 8.2 rebounds, 5.2 assists 1.7 made 3-pointers. DuKe WeNt 3-3 wItHoUt ZiOn What was his FGM-FGA for those games?

I'm not sure but he shot 50% from the field despite a higher usage rate.

Book it. He has the fire and desire to improve every facet of his game. And he's what, 18? I think he has a bit of time, to do so.

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In comment 14475544 Jon in NYC said: Quote: @TommyBeer RJ Barrett's per-game averages in the six games Zion Williamson missed last season: 26.2 points (while shooting 49.6% from the floor), 8.2 rebounds, 5.2 assists 1.7 made 3-pointers. DuKe WeNt 3-3 wItHoUt ZiOn What was his FGM-FGA for those games?

62-125. Almost 21 attempts per game

But that�s not likely given where the Hawks pick.

Barrett has that alpha mentality which will compensate for whatever deficiencies he has now at 18. I just wish he was a little more twitchy and explosive.

I am sick of watching Frenchie who�s afraid to do anything and Knox who played like he was in a rec league game last year.

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In comment 14475551 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14475544 Jon in NYC said: Quote: @TommyBeer RJ Barrett's per-game averages in the six games Zion Williamson missed last season: 26.2 points (while shooting 49.6% from the floor), 8.2 rebounds, 5.2 assists 1.7 made 3-pointers. DuKe WeNt 3-3 wItHoUt ZiOn What was his FGM-FGA for those games? 62-125. Almost 21 attempts per game

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Book it. He has the fire and desire to improve every facet of his game. And he's what, 18? I think he has a bit of time, to do so.

Just turned 19

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Darius Garland will conduct a last-minute workout in Tarrytown with the New York Knicks tomorrow, a source told ESPN. Garland is in serious consideration for the No. 3 pick. Minnesota, Boston, Chicago are teams looking at potentially trading up to No. 4 with Garland in mind.


Seems late in the game for a smokescreen. Probably for due diligence should someone come in with a great offer.

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Darius Garland will conduct a last-minute workout in Tarrytown with the New York Knicks tomorrow, a source told ESPN. Garland is in serious consideration for the No. 3 pick. Minnesota, Boston, Chicago are teams looking at potentially trading up to No. 4 with Garland in mind.

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on those kinds of bets are typically very low. It's like betting on WWE. It's relatively low stakes. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Yes, but you can put the bet in multiple times and at different books. They set limits low on bets like this because it becomes apparent right away when someone has inside info. So yeh I would read a lot into this.

Garland. Problem is they don�t have much to offer player wise to move up.

But my friend said he likes Garland more than both Morant and Barrett

Knicks flip picks with Pels, Pels take Barrett, Knicks take Garland at 4?

I realize a lot of fans have already walked RJ down the aisle, but I wouldn�t hang up the phone given the Pels war chest.

Garland has a lethal three-point shot and is quick enough to break down defenses - he's like a hybrid of the Portland guards. I'm a big fan of his game.

But that very well could be because Garland got hurt

What do you do with DSJ if you draft Garland? Flip him for another pick?

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What do you do with DSJ if you draft Garland? Flip him for another pick?

I would think. A pick in the 11-20 range?

either the Knicks are preparing in case NO moves up to two for Barrett and someone makes a godfather type offer for #3 for Morant, the Knicks want teams trying to trade up to 4 for Garland to offer the same for 3 to see if it's something they want to do, or the Knicks no longer feel like Barrett being at #3 is a certainty and aren't in love with Morant.

Barrett not working out for any other team tells me that the Knicks have given some signal that they're taking him at 3 if he's there and this happening at the last minutes means it likely has something to do with whatever New Orleans is up to.

Interesting. I don't know much about Garland at all.

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Source: The Atlanta Hawks have been aggressive exploring trades packaging the No. 8 and 10 picks to move up in the draft. Their offer to the Knicks for the No. 3 pick was apparently rebuffed. The Pelicans are considering the possibility of trading the No. 4 pick for 8+10.

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In comment 14475612 figgy2989 said: Quote: What do you do with DSJ if you draft Garland? Flip him for another pick? I would think. A pick in the 11-20 range?

DSJ's trade value may be even lower than that right now.

Knicks rebuffed

If true,sounds like you can expect a very safe selection from the Knicks.Maybe someone will sense it and jump ahead of them,just like what used to happen to the Giants.

and you can't tell much on that in a workout.

Plus small guys are generally a defensive liability in the era of positionless basketball.

the last minute workout is them simply doing their do diligence incase they get an offer for #3 that they can't refuse.

The Atlanta Hawks have been aggressively trying to move up in the draft by offering a trade package including the No. 8 and 10 picks, according to ESPN�s Jonathan Givony.

The Knicks apparently rebuffed the offer for the No. 3 pick, per Givony, but the Pelicans are considering the possibility of trading the No. 4 pick for the Hawks�two top-10 picks.

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Jonathan Givony ‏ Verified account @DraftExpress 56s56 seconds ago More Source: The Atlanta Hawks have been aggressive exploring trades packaging the No. 8 and 10 picks to move up in the draft. Their offer to the Knicks for the No. 3 pick was apparently rebuffed. The Pelicans are considering the possibility of trading the No. 4 pick for 8+10.

Not surprising. The Draft falls off a cliff from the top-3 (4, if you count Garland)

Is not enough to get to #3 for me.

For #3. I shouldn�t be Hart or Ball if we are working out a PG.

knicks worked out mo bamba and everyone thought theybhad a deal to move up

Good point. But I bet they tried to get him.

but Ingram and #4 doesn't make me want to move #3.

side note: I really despise that the draft is before FA.

Kid is a freak of athletic and offensive talent for his height. Injuries are obviously a huge concern. Think he goes top 10? Probably worth the risk in a shallow draft

no one would think he was any good. PASS.

What would anyone take from NO to drop from 3 to 4? I know stay the course is the popular answer one I agree with but would an unprotected #1 do it? (And not the laker picks).

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Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes is declining his $25.1M player option and becoming an unrestricted free agent, his agent, Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports, tells ESPN. Barnes, 27, and Kings are open to exploring a new deal together this summer, sources said.

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Adrian Wojnarowski � Verified account @wojespn Following Following @wojespn More Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes is declining his $25.1M player option and becoming an unrestricted free agent, his agent, Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports, tells ESPN. Barnes, 27, and Kings are open to exploring a new deal together this summer, sources said.

Wow. He's not getting close to 25.1 million this year.

seeing that there's a lot of money out there to be spent and opting out.

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In comment 14475766 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Adrian Wojnarowski � Verified account @wojespn Following Following @wojespn More Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes is declining his $25.1M player option and becoming an unrestricted free agent, his agent, Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports, tells ESPN. Barnes, 27, and Kings are open to exploring a new deal together this summer, sources said. Wow. He's not getting close to 25.1 million this year.

We've seen this movie before. Mozgov got 64Mil!

Who knows how it turns out in the long run, but this drafts prospects are Zion as clear number 1 and Morant/ Barrett 2a/ 2b. After that it�s a pretty steep drop off.

I really like Culver but it would take a lot for me to move down to 4. And 8/10/17 isn�t cutting it to get to 3.

I�m starting to get excited about Barrett. And he�s on the next Boardroom with Kleiman and Jay Williams...