NFT: Knicks: Draft week

In comment 14474184 DanMetroMan said:

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fail to see any argument for Culver. He's 21 in February, Barrett just turned 19. Culver may be more physically developed but not hugely so given the age difference. Culver is shorter, Culver freshman year put up 11 and 5 with 2 assists on 46/38, Barrett 23 and 8 with 4 assists, 45/31% shooting (identical to Culver this season). Yes, Culver is the better defender that would be a really poor move. You only get X chances at drafting a star and Barrett could be that.

That's not a very strong argument.Age,Freshman stats,and shorter.Talent wise I don't think there's much of gap,if any.We're talking about a guys who's been slated to go 1 pick later.

In comment 14474225 ghost718 said:

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In comment 14474184 DanMetroMan said: Quote: fail to see any argument for Culver. He's 21 in February, Barrett just turned 19. Culver may be more physically developed but not hugely so given the age difference. Culver is shorter, Culver freshman year put up 11 and 5 with 2 assists on 46/38, Barrett 23 and 8 with 4 assists, 45/31% shooting (identical to Culver this season). Yes, Culver is the better defender that would be a really poor move. You only get X chances at drafting a star and Barrett could be that. That's not a very strong argument.Age,Freshman stats,and shorter.Talent wise I don't think there's much of gap,if any.We're talking about a guys who's been slated to go 1 pick later.

Shorter? Barrett is 6'7, Culver is 6'5-6'6, Barrett is the taller of the 2. Barrett was the #1 HS player in the nation 12 months ago, is younger and outplayed Culver. "1 pick later" is a major understatement. There is a clear "best player" and then the next 2... and then 3 of 4 guys in the next tier. Good luck finding more than a handful of "prominent' mock drafts that have anyone but Zion, Morant, Barrett as their clear top 3.

which make me think the Knicks will sign Durant. It was reported he is staying in New York over the summer at a hotel and it was also reported that Draymond Green was coming out this week to talk with him. That is significant because it wreaks of a last ditch effort to convince him to stay on the west coast. My biggest fear is that he would resign. That tells me he is not resigning. Also, if he opts out I think it is the Knicks. I would sign him even with the injury. Stay tuned. The next two weeks will be VERY interesting. LOVE that we did not do the AD trade.

points, rebound and assists. They shot about the same FG% and 3pt%. And Barrett was a freshmen. Culver is a prospect for sure, but he is not as good of a prospect as Barrett.

In comment 14474230 Chris L. said:

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which make me think the Knicks will sign Durant. It was reported he is staying in New York over the summer at a hotel and it was also reported that Draymond Green was coming out this week to talk with him. That is significant because it wreaks of a last ditch effort to convince him to stay on the west coast. My biggest fear is that he would resign. That tells me he is not resigning. Also, if he opts out I think it is the Knicks. I would sign him even with the injury. Stay tuned. The next two weeks will be VERY interesting. LOVE that we did not do the AD trade.

You should listen to what the lead surgeon at HSS had to say about Durant's injury.

A few things:

1) The repair is incredibly precise and tricky to pull off. Repaired too tight and he's higher risk to re-injure. Repaired not tight enough and he loses his "get off' step in that leg.

2) The calf and the achilles together should be considered a sign that Durant might just be very injury prone as he ages.

3) If he were going to give a contract to Durant he'd prefer it be short or backed up with great insurance, but if you listened it didn't sound like he would at all.

seems like a good fit for the Sixers for 24th overall, the Sixers have 2 high 2nd round picks (33 and 34) and it's doubtful they would get much value out of 3 picks that "late" as rookies. Frank likely could help them this season. Spurs pick 19 (likely too high) but also 29, the Bucks at 30 also seem like a fit

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In comment 14474239 DanMetroMan said:

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seems like a good fit for the Sixers for 24th overall, the Sixers have 2 high 2nd round picks (33 and 34) and it's doubtful they would get much value out of 3 picks that "late" as rookies. Frank likely could help them this season. Spurs pick 19 (likely too high) but also 29, the Bucks at 30 also seem like a fit

You think the Knicks will get a first rounder for Frank? I'm not very optimistic of that.

In comment 14474217 Vanzetti said:

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Sorry but DeAndre Hunter is not a better shooter than Barrett. Hunter was the third best shooter on his college team. I'm huge Virginia fan, and I like Hunter. But he will be a complementary player in the NBA. Im not completely 100% sold on Barrett but he has the highest floor in this draft.

First of all, UVA was #7 in the country at 3PT shooting, so no shit we had some shooters. Kyle Guy was a career 42.5% 3PT shooter. Jerome was at 39.2%. And where was Dre? 41.9% career, led the team with 43.8% this season.

And he's absolutely a better shooter than Barrett:

2PT%: Hunter 55%, Barrett 52.9%
3PT%: Hunter 43.8%, Barrett 30.8%
FT%: Hunter 78.3%, Barrett 66.5%

Yes, Barrett has the higher upside, but he is NOT a better shooter right now, and with that lousy FT% it's a rather large leap to assume that he ever will be.

I actually think Durant is going to sign with the Nets. I don't have any intel on it, just a hunch.

In comment 14474228 DanMetroMan said:

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Shorter? Barrett is 6'7, Culver is 6'5-6'6, Barrett is the taller of the 2. Barrett was the #1 HS player in the nation 12 months ago, is younger and outplayed Culver. "1 pick later" is a major understatement. There is a clear "best player" and then the next 2... and then 3 of 4 guys in the next tier. Good luck finding more than a handful of "prominent' mock drafts that have anyone but Zion, Morant, Barrett as their clear top 3.

I think you're putting too much stock in mock drafts.It's one thing to figure out where a guy might be drafted,it's another to make declarations like "3 player draft".

Things like that have said in other sports during draft time,and turned out to be wrong

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In comment 14474239 DanMetroMan said: Quote: seems like a good fit for the Sixers for 24th overall, the Sixers have 2 high 2nd round picks (33 and 34) and it's doubtful they would get much value out of 3 picks that "late" as rookies. Frank likely could help them this season. Spurs pick 19 (likely too high) but also 29, the Bucks at 30 also seem like a fit You think the Knicks will get a first rounder for Frank? I'm not very optimistic of that.

Late firsts really have a pretty crappy return rate and these teams likely get more out of Frank this season than a guy you take 28th.

Picks 24-30 over since 2016-

Luwawu-Cabarrot, Brice Johnson, Korkmaz, Siakam, Skal, Lydon, Pasecniks, Swanigan, Kuzma, Bradley, White, Simons, Wagner, Shamet, Williams, Evans, Musa, Spellman.

Now obviously Siakim is very good, as is Kuzma but all in all that's a pretty shitty group if you are a contender looking for "now" help.

Says that Kawhi will consider 5 teams this offseason.

Nothing earth shattering but

Raptors
Lakers
Clippers
Knicks
Nets

In comment 14474253 ghost718 said:

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In comment 14474228 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Shorter? Barrett is 6'7, Culver is 6'5-6'6, Barrett is the taller of the 2. Barrett was the #1 HS player in the nation 12 months ago, is younger and outplayed Culver. "1 pick later" is a major understatement. There is a clear "best player" and then the next 2... and then 3 of 4 guys in the next tier. Good luck finding more than a handful of "prominent' mock drafts that have anyone but Zion, Morant, Barrett as their clear top 3. I think you're putting too much stock in mock drafts.It's one thing to figure out where a guy might be drafted,it's another to make declarations like "3 player draft". Things like that have said in other sports during draft time,and turned out to be wrong

So you're of the belief Barrett is showing up 3rd by virtue of who the Knicks might take and not their industry view of him being the clear #3rd best prospect? Agree to disagree. Outside of defense there isn't really a single thing you can definitively say Culver is better at and yes, age matters when projecting.

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In comment 14474244 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14474217 Vanzetti said: Quote: Sorry but DeAndre Hunter is not a better shooter than Barrett. Hunter was the third best shooter on his college team. I'm huge Virginia fan, and I like Hunter. But he will be a complementary player in the NBA. Im not completely 100% sold on Barrett but he has the highest floor in this draft. First of all, UVA was #7 in the country at 3PT shooting, so no shit we had some shooters. Kyle Guy was a career 42.5% 3PT shooter. Jerome was at 39.2%. And where was Dre? 41.9% career, led the team with 43.8% this season. And he's absolutely a better shooter than Barrett: 2PT%: Hunter 55%, Barrett 52.9% 3PT%: Hunter 43.8%, Barrett 30.8% FT%: Hunter 78.3%, Barrett 66.5% Yes, Barrett has the higher upside, but he is NOT a better shooter right now, and with that lousy FT% it's a rather large leap to assume that he ever will be.

First of all, you are comparing a freshman and sophomore. Look at Hunter's first year stats.

Secondly, Hunter took only 2.8 threes per game. Most of them were wide open looks. Conversely, Barrett had 6.2 three-point attempts per game.

Hunter is a good all-around player. His upside might be Ron Artest. However, he will not be a top scorer in the NBA, whereas Barrett projects as a guy who will be a 20+ ppg.

Now, if you want to say Barrett will be a guy who scores but does not make his teammates better, you might have an argument. But to say Hunter is a better shooter than Barrett is ridiculous.

Durant only does short deals so there is no problem there. Also I am basing my desire to have him on the fact that he will lose something but that even with losing something he will be one of the better players in the NBA. Finally, by signing Durant you bring in other big fish. Look at LA...five minutes after they sign KD Kyrie is talking about them as a destination. Durant helps greatly with the second max.

52.5% on 2s, 38.2% on 3s, 75.5% at the line. About the same as Barrett on 2s, still significantly better beyond the arc and at the line.

You want to say Barrett's the better prospect, fine, but absolutely nothing supports the argument that he's the better shooter. Not a thing.

In comment 14474016 SicilianGMEN said:

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the Knicks end up with no big FA's (especially Durant) and I see 90% of fans and realGM Knicks board resorting to discussions surrounding signing people like Russell and Randle....how is it such a close to sure shot that now we miss out on Durant now? Weird

Can't help but feel the momentum building for us to strike out in free agency, but you're right - Durant at least is very much in play. If we were favorites pre-injury, why wouldn't we be favorites now? We're in a position to let him take a year off - other teams may not be so patient. Whether we can get another legit max will say a lot about Mills, Perry and Fiz as salesman.

the Lakers land Kawhi it's going to be hard to enjoy the NBA. That trio would be unstoppable.

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I am a UVA fan and have watched almost every UVA game in the past 3 years. I am in the (apparently small) camp that believes that DeAndre will be underwhelming as a pro. The second half of his last game was one of about 4 halves of basketball in his career where he played aggressively and acted like he wanted to be The Man. I guess that's good, but I can tell you that in general he was pretty passive on offense. His successful drives were against lesser players. He is not quick. And to those saying he's a very good outside shooter . . . he rarely took a shot when he was not wide open. You won't find much film of him making or even taking contested jumpers. Kyle Guy he is not.

I am actually surprised that the experts have him pegged as high as they do. I hope I'm wrong about him, because he's a good kid and I'd love to see him do well.

In comment 14474320 DanMetroMan said:

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the Lakers land Kawhi it's going to be hard to enjoy the NBA. That trio would be unstoppable.

You said this back in 2010 that it would be tough for you to keep following the Knicks if they struck out in FA - I doubt you are going anywhere.

What is the exact correlation between poor FT & and poor shooting? I know there is one, but what exactly is the explanation for the correlation?

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In comment 14474320 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Lakers land Kawhi it's going to be hard to enjoy the NBA. That trio would be unstoppable. You said this back in 2010 that it would be tough for you to keep following the Knicks if they struck out in FA - I doubt you are going anywhere.

Who said I'm "going anywhere"? But the Lakers would be close to unbeatable after already having insane lucky/history.

In comment 14474345 Anakim said:

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What is the exact correlation between poor FT & and poor shooting? I know there is one, but what exactly is the explanation for the correlation?

I actually think it's the opposite in that a player who shoots well from the free throw line, but struggles with three pointers is seen as a guy who probably has good shooting form, but just needs to work on it more. A good example of that in college was Kawhi Leonard.

You would've never guessed it by watching him, but he said he's a righty

Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, & Kawhi stays in Toronto on a short deal.

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In comment 14474345 Anakim said: Quote: What is the exact correlation between poor FT & and poor shooting? I know there is one, but what exactly is the explanation for the correlation? I actually think it's the opposite in that a player who shoots well from the free throw line, but struggles with three pointers is seen as a guy who probably has good shooting form, but just needs to work on it more. A good example of that in college was Kawhi Leonard.

I think Barrett lacks all 3. He's what? A 65% FT shooter and shoots 30% from 3?

In comment 14474392 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, & Kawhi stays in Toronto on a short deal.

Kyrie ends up in brooklyn kd is following him there, kd is not coming to the knicks alone

In comment 14474385 Anakim said:

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You would've never guessed it by watching him, but he said he's a righty

He just wanted a challenge.

"Shams also mentions that PHX has made Warren and Jackson available is separate deals, as well as the #6 pick."

the Knicks offers for AD included the #3 pick, Smith and Ntilikina. Knox and Robinson were never offered. We clearly weren't going all in, because that offer is a waste of time.

Way too much of a risk he'd just bolt for the Lakers. They are the only team who could feel confident in making their best offer, knowing that they will almost certainly sign him to an extension.

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After Brooklyn declines to make a qualifying offer, F Rondae Hollis-Jefferson will become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN. Hollis-Jefferson, 24, defends multiple positions well. For now, Nets have $46M in cap space.

In comment 14474499 Anakim said:

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn After Brooklyn declines to make a qualifying offer, F Rondae Hollis-Jefferson will become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN. Hollis-Jefferson, 24, defends multiple positions well. For now, Nets have $46M in cap space.

let kd and irving go to brooklyn, they think they can go all in and be succesful, let them...good luck

feeling justified that they in fact had the best offer is, not surprisingly, full of shit.

They simply made the best offer as they were negotiating from a position of strength thanks to Rich Paul and the petulant baby LeBron James.

I would be interested in Russell. But it scares me a little that the Nets don't seem to want to resign him. Zero interest in Harris or Randle. If thats what we get out of this offseason I will be furious.

What about Brogdon? I would be interested in him but its going to cost big for the bucks not to match.

I still think Durant is coming. I would be happy if they landed Russell or Brogdon, sign Durant and then have extra space for flexbility or fliers/ vets.

In comment 14474537 TyreeHelmet said:

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I would be interested in Russell. But it scares me a little that the Nets don't seem to want to resign him. Zero interest in Harris or Randle. If thats what we get out of this offseason I will be furious. What about Brogdon? I would be interested in him but its going to cost big for the bucks not to match. I still think Durant is coming. I would be happy if they landed Russell or Brogdon, sign Durant and then have extra space for flexbility or fliers/ vets.

your friend still hearing durant to knicks?

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Milwaukee is offering draft compensation this week in hopes of finding a team willing to take on the contract of Tony Snell or Ersan Ilyasova via trade, league sources say, as the Bucks seek to create added flexibility to retain elite status in the East

In comment 14474549 Anakim said:

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine Milwaukee is offering draft compensation this week in hopes of finding a team willing to take on the contract of Tony Snell or Ersan Ilyasova via trade, league sources say, as the Bucks seek to create added flexibility to retain elite status in the East

Illyasova is basically an expiring. That’s one I’d consider with their first.

for the 1st round pick.

they won't be giving away a boat load of draft picks but Durant and Irving will go about as well as Garnett and Pierce did for them. I would expect the Knicks to do that. I thought smart people were running the Nets?

of an offer if true. My guess is push comes to shove they offered knox, but it obviously didnt get that far. Glad to see the knicks not just back the truck up for once. ANd im sure they would have increased the offer if NO had more interest in Knox.

In comment 14474549 Anakim said:

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine Milwaukee is offering draft compensation this week in hopes of finding a team willing to take on the contract of Tony Snell or Ersan Ilyasova via trade, league sources say, as the Bucks seek to create added flexibility to retain elite status in the East

Would take Ilyasova for the 30th pick. Good player and its only 7 million guaranteed for next year. Would not touch the Snell contract...

to look at a pair of Williams kids

Carsen out of Purdue or Grant out of Tennessee.

When I watched Grant play, I couldn't help but think of a younger, more athletic Kurt Thomas.

The Knicks are not taking any contracts to impact their cap until they are sure they are not getting 2 Free Agents. The 30th pick is not worth reducing their CAP at this point.

I would use every penny of our cap space on contracts with draft picks attached to them. Snell, Ilyasova, Gallinari - next year's FA class sucks so it can be contracts with one or two years remaining. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddle masses, and your first rounders."

I understand the interest in guys like Russell or Randle, but they're not moving the needle enough.

Usually don’t make the league and they are guaranteed contracts. Pass.

we probably won't KNOW this week that we're out of the running for free agents, but the general philosophy still stands going forward.