NFT: Knicks: Draft week

In comment 14474593 Pete44 said:

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The Knicks are not taking any contracts to impact their cap until they are sure they are not getting 2 Free Agents. The 30th pick is not worth reducing their CAP at this point.

Not even for 1 year? And not when they basically need to rebuild through the draft or wait a couple years longer because (other than a Kawhi hail Mary) there's virtually no path to contention for them this year and no good free agents next year?

If Free agency was before the draft, would be easier to make that move. I can see if they know they are not getting anybody and other teams need to clear cap space, they could get future assets. Next year's draft is much better and deeper.

In comment 14474566 arniefez said:

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they won't be giving away a boat load of draft picks but Durant and Irving will go about as well as Garnett and Pierce did for them. I would expect the Knicks to do that. I thought smart people were running the Nets?

i have no clue what you guys are talking about. the nets young core is centered around Levert and Allen and taking a shot on Dlo realizing his potential. If things go as they hope... the nets will still have their young core (plus kurucs, musa, 2 picks this year, prince, Din, Harris depending on if they trade)--- and just have swapped Kyrie for Dlo.

the comparison is lazy. Does it mean the nets decisions will turn out correct? i have no idea, but they are just lazy comparisons.

love a late #1 to use on Claxton. Big fan.

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Durant and Irving have no wear on them and neither has ever been injured. Two guys in their primes. Seems like a great idea.

Seriously? There's nothing special about him at all.

In comment 14474657 nygiants16 said:

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Howard eisley left for michigan

I wonder how Fizdale truly feels about that - Mike Miller might be our very own Nick Nurse. Hope he gets consideration if/when Fizdale falls out of favor.

If BBI is any indication, a large percentage of Knicks fans really hate the Nets (cue: �no we don�t, NO ONE CARES�).

It�s weird. As a Yankees/Giants fan I really could not care any less about the Mets or Jets even when they win. And given the Nets are not even on Mets/Jets level, I really don�t understand where the anger germinates.

A lot of the most adamant Knicks BBI predictions re: the Nets (no big free agents will sign there, no one would prefer them over the Knicks) seem like they�re about to be proven false. Now the goalposts are moving, �KD and Kyrie will suck, lulz�.

I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town.

a Nets team of Kyrie, Lavert and Jarrett Allen doesn't scare me.

If I'm the Knicks I'm still going all in for Durant assuming Kawhi goes elsewhere.

DSJ/Frank
Barrett/Dotson/Trier
Durant/Knox
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Robinson

with a likely high lotto pick next year + room for a max next offseason is one hell of a position to be in.

In comment 14474683 threeofakind33 said:

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If BBI is any indication, a large percentage of Knicks fans really hate the Nets (cue: �no we don�t, NO ONE CARES�). It�s weird. As a Yankees/Giants fan I really could not care any less about the Mets or Jets even when they win. And given the Nets are not even on Mets/Jets level, I really don�t understand where the anger germinates. A lot of the most adamant Knicks BBI predictions re: the Nets (no big free agents will sign there, no one would prefer them over the Knicks) seem like they�re about to be proven false. Now the goalposts are moving, �KD and Kyrie will suck, lulz�. I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town.

I think most Knicks fans would love a Knicks/Nets rivalry. And also most Knicks fans do hate the Nets. That can be true AND it can be true that the Nets core isn't particularly intimidating.

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I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town.

I can only speak for myself. Because the Nets (as you described them) are the 7th team in town, any discussion of them in the media has to involve the Knicks in order to generate clicks and phone calls into talk shows. Thus, a 42-40 Nets team is treated like the '98 Bulls in order to maximize the humiliation for the Knicks. It's a common practice used by the print media in particular, and a few talking heads like Michael Kay. Should we just ignore it? Probably, but it's frustrating.

Kyrie Irving will be a good litmus test. He's been rumored to Knicks for months, and all you've heard is he's a cancer, injury-prone, flaky, Boston played better without him, etc. - I guarantee you that changes when he's holding up a Brooklyn jersey in a couple of weeks. Suddenly the theme will be, "the Nets stole a HOF point guard from the Knicks because they have such great culture!"

I'd reference Sean Marks storming the officials' locker room after a playoff game and getting suspended. Barely a ripple from the media. Woj even praised him for "standing up for his team." Imagine the reaction if a Knicks exec did that?

I used to love watching Jason Kidd's Nets teams, and got into Nets basketball a bit last year because they played such a fun brand of basketball, but I admit the agenda-driven lovefest gets the best of me from time to time. Nothing personal against any Nets fans - they're great fans who know their basketball.

In comment 14474687 Jon in NYC said:

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a Nets team of Kyrie, Lavert and Jarrett Allen doesn't scare me. If I'm the Knicks I'm still going all in for Durant assuming Kawhi goes elsewhere. DSJ/Frank Barrett/Dotson/Trier Durant/Knox ?? Robinson with a likely high lotto pick next year + room for a max next offseason is one hell of a position to be in.

This would be my plan A. I'd also offer Russell a deal if the Nets renounce his rights. Plan B if Durant goes elsewhere would be to try and work out 1-2 year deals with guys like Randle, Brogdon, Ross etc.

I think it's a bad idea for the Knicks to sit on their space or trade for non-factors to get late picks with their space because of what it does to young player development, especially guys that are raw and need more structure like Knox and Barrett.

unless Kawhi is somehow persuaded to sign here. I was on board from the start, though it's still hard to stomach KD tearing his Achilles right in the damn NBA Finals.

Fair enough. I�m really just surprised how much the Nets seem to be triggering folks this year. It�s strange to me.

On the core. I�m not as high on Allen as a lot of Nets fans, he has a long way to go. They won a lot in spite of him last year.

But, LeVert is All-Star caliber if he remains healthy and Kyrie is one of the 10-15 best players in the league. I�d say they�re off to a good start, with room for another max (a third All-Star caliber player). They also have very solid complementary pieces in Harris, Dinwiddie, Prince, Kurucs, Davis, etc. The infrastructure in Atkinson and Marks is the real ace in the hole though. They have built a winning organization, facilities and culture which is what is allowing them to now transition to getting the big fish.

In comment 14474697 bceagle05 said:

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Quote: I just don�t understand it. Who cares? We are the 7th team in town. I can only speak for myself. Because the Nets (as you described them) are the 7th team in town, any discussion of them in the media has to involve the Knicks in order to generate clicks and phone calls into talk shows. Thus, a 42-40 Nets team is treated like the '98 Bulls in order to maximize the humiliation for the Knicks. It's a common practice used by the print media in particular, and a few talking heads like Michael Kay. Should we just ignore it? Probably, but it's frustrating. Kyrie Irving will be a good litmus test. He's been rumored to Knicks for months, and all you've heard is he's a cancer, injury-prone, flaky, Boston played better without him, etc. - I guarantee you that changes when he's holding up a Brooklyn jersey in a couple of weeks. Suddenly the theme will be, "the Nets stole a HOF point guard from the Knicks because they have such great culture!" I'd reference Sean Marks storming the officials' locker room after a playoff game and getting suspended. Barely a ripple from the media. Woj even praised him for "standing up for his team." Imagine the reaction if a Knicks exec did that? I used to love watching Jason Kidd's Nets teams, and got into Nets basketball a bit last year because they played such a fun brand of basketball, but I admit the agenda-driven lovefest gets the best of me from time to time. Nothing personal against any Nets fans - they're great fans who know their basketball.

This. Ever since the Nets moved to Brooklyn the media has taken every opportunity possible to use the Nets to essentially taunt the Knicks. It's not Nets' fans fault though which is why I avoid making snarky comments about the Nets vs engaging in actual debate where there are merits to both sides of an argument. IE, "Jarrett Allen vs Mitchell Robinson".

I think that was a pretty cogent rationale. Thanks.

LaVert ever done that makes people think he�s all star caliber?

He�s got some skill. But all star caliber? I dont see it.

Look at his playoff stats (he was even better than the stat line) and the two months prior to injury last year. He had the numbers to back it up.

Russell was an All-Star last year and the vast majority of Nets fans would tell you LeVert is the better player.

He also plays both ends of the floor.

He�s really good and a great kid.

In comment 14474716 MookGiants said:

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LaVert ever done that makes people think he�s all star caliber? He�s got some skill. But all star caliber? I dont see it.

all-star caliber ≠ star or superstar. In the past 2 years Middleton, Vucevic, Drummond and Horford have all been all stars. Hell in 2015, Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver were all-stars.

See threeofakind, I can be objective although I can't defend your assessment of Kyrie as a top 10-15 player in the league :). *MAYBE* top 15 although I'd say he's in the 15-20 range. IMO he's not better than (in no order): Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, AD, Giannis, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, George, Embiid, Lillard, Jokic, Klay, KAT, Beal, etc.

In comment 14474727 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 14474716 MookGiants said: Quote: LaVert ever done that makes people think he�s all star caliber? He�s got some skill. But all star caliber? I dont see it. all-star caliber ≠ star or superstar. In the past 2 years Middleton, Vucevic, Drummond and Horford have all been all stars. Hell in 2015, Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver were all-stars. See threeofakind, I can be objective although I can't defend your assessment of Kyrie as a top 10-15 player in the league :). *MAYBE* top 15 although I'd say he's in the 15-20 range. IMO he's not better than (in no order): Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, AD, Giannis, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, George, Embiid, Lillard, Jokic, Klay, KAT, Beal, etc.

I agree. No way is Kyrie top 10. If he's your number two, you can win though. He probably is 15 on that list. I don't think Beal is better. Kyrie's clutch give him the edge imo.

In Vucevic or does his lack of defense scare you off? He is a pretty good passer for a big man and can shoot the 3.

In comment 14474733 TommyWiseau said:

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In Vucevic or does his lack of defense scare you off? He is a pretty good passer for a big man and can shoot the 3.

Zero interest from me. Good play who will likely get paid like a great player. He'll be 29 in October. I prefer Randle who I don't think will get paid as much either although who knows.

From your list, I�d say the following were clearly better:
Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, AD, Giannis, Harden, Curry, George, Embiid, Lillard, Klay, Jokic. That would put him 13? KAT and Beal put up big numbers on bad teams.

As a basketball player only. Ignoring the less savory parts of his character.

I think Kyrie has a lot of growing up to do and hope coming back to the area and playing for the team he rooted for growing up will ground him a bit.

Knicks get brought up in any basketball conversation and it always negative even if it has nothing to do with them..

For example the davis trade to lakers, why are the knicks brought up? now it is the knicks are screwed and they have to do something..

Knicks do the smart thing and build with youth, they suck and it is going to take forever..

Knicks sign 2 guys, what are they doing same old knicks...

Evwry radio show today people are screaming and yelling that the knicks are screwed, someone calls in and says well what if they just take it slow, nope got to have it now, then somone says ok sign butler and harris, nope that is stupid, ok what do you want them to do? sign someone no more youth...

sorry rant over today just really annoyed me

I think Knick fans have been beaten down for so long that negativity is just the accepted norm.

BJ Armstrong said today while the Raptors are the favorite for Kawhi right now he�s hearing that both the Knicks and Clippers are �in the fold�. He�s a pretty prominent agent so it�s not like Cris Carter throwing it out there.

Toronto, but who knows? If he does stick around, the Raps should give an insane bonus to Alex McKechnie, who was in charge of Kawhi's load management.

This summer is going to be crazy.

In comment 14474995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Toronto, but who knows? If he does stick around, the Raps should give an insane bonus to Alex McKechnie, who was in charge of Kawhi's load management. This summer is going to be crazy.

I feel like though if he was leaning toward staying today would of been the perfect oppurtunity to say he was staying...

In comment 14474999 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14474995 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Toronto, but who knows? If he does stick around, the Raps should give an insane bonus to Alex McKechnie, who was in charge of Kawhi's load management. This summer is going to be crazy. I feel like though if he was leaning toward staying today would of been the perfect oppurtunity to say he was staying...

He�s a man of few words lol

In comment 14474988 Strahan91 said:

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BJ Armstrong said today while the Raptors are the favorite for Kawhi right now he�s hearing that both the Knicks and Clippers are �in the fold�. He�s a pretty prominent agent so it�s not like Cris Carter throwing it out there.

to be fair chris carter is close to leonards uncle and his brother is kawhis inner circle

so he�s got to come up with things to say everyday that keeps people engaged

In comment 14475018 Strahan91 said:

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so he�s got to come up with things to say everyday that keeps people engaged

Fox sports, him and nick wright actually have a pretty good show, i like nock wright

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In comment 14474566 arniefez said:

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they won't be giving away a boat load of draft picks but Durant and Irving will go about as well as Garnett and Pierce did for them. I would expect the Knicks to do that. I thought smart people were running the Nets?

You�re saying stupid things.

In comment 14475028 Strahan91 said:

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it is really not a bad show, i know people hate chris carter but i dont mind it

But he could have been hammered for all we know. Everyone's drinking during those parades.

He did crack a joke about his laugh.

I actually think Kawhi would be a secretly good hang.

And none of them good for NYK.

I believe the Durant injury also took them out of the Davis talks.

Hoping Kawhi shocks people and comes to New York. That would right a lot of wrongs so far this offseason.

I'll be floored-FLOORED-if he signs with us. I really think it's either LAC or Toronto.

& they were talking about if KD doesn't play in Game 5. Raps win the Finals that night. KD doesn't tear his Achilles, Klay doesn't tear his ACL because there's no Game 6.

Unreal.

but I don�t see him going to the Clippers anymore, not with the Lakers building another super team in the same building. He apparently felt disrespected by the endorsements dollars he was offered in SA and wanted a bigger city to raise his personal brand. Winning it all with Toronto ad the lead guy may have changed that but playing second fiddle to the Lebron-AD and whoever else show certainly doesn�t seem too appealing

to get barrett.



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which would be a nice consolation. But I doubt that will happen.

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either guy and dont even really have a preference. At this point i may have locked myself into barrett. That said i dont think it matters cause i dont see how the pels get up to 2. MEM is rebuilding and there is a huge drop off to 4. Best asset that NO has left is a future first to go with #4 but i doubt thats enough. Those Laker picks could have value but not for awhile and i doubt MEM is that interested unless NO is willing to trade 4, a future first of their own, and one or two of the laker picks.

i prefer Barrett because i can see Barrett becoming a dominant scorer and being a top option offensively...

Which, let's be honest, is an unusual position for Knicks fans.

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