from Monday Morning Quarterback [not written Peter King]
Jon Halapio, C, New York Giants: The Giants are revamping their offensive line in a major way, but one of the unsung components of the rebuild is at center, where Halapio could emerge as a foundation piece to the new-look front. He began last year as New York’s starter before going down with an injury after just 116 snaps of action. But in those snaps, he didn’t allow a single pressure, despite almost 50 pass-blocking snaps against the Jaguars and their array of pass-rushing weapons. With vastly improved players beside him, Halapio could prove to be a significant upgrade as a player who isn’t being talked about much heading into 2019. |
the other players on the list
Levi Wallace, CB, Buffalo Bills
Vita Vea, DL, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mackensie Alexander, CB, Minnesota Vikings
O.J. Howard, TE, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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I laughed at the line of PFF rating being at the heart of all contract negotiations. GTFOH. Nice shill piece by Collinsworth though to get the rubes to buy his consumer product. If you didn't notice he was pimping it would help your gambling. There's a sucker born every minute.
All that being said Pio seems to be more talented than your average journeyman and if he can get the line calls right maybe he does break out.
Thank you for your "honest" opinion. But sadly, it still doesn't make you right.
Pulley is a traditional second level C who can wall off inside backers and pick up blitzers where range is required. Going to be over-powered from time to time.
SB's relative success should determine starter.
Halapio is an unknown quantity. He apparently impressed in limited time last season.
I watched Pulley closely last season and I don't know how you can say he was solid. Pulley is smart and did a good job with the line calls but he struggled mightily versus power rushers. He was frequently pushed back into the pocket. The offensive line improved when Jamon Brown was inserted into the starting lineup with Solder being healthy.
Halapio has also received praise from the coaching staff and LeCharles Bentley. We don't know what we have in Halapio yet but we do know that Pulley is not a starting caliber center.
Eli had a 280 lb pass rusher coming full bore, right at him, unblocked. THat's how QBs get injured.
The Cowboys were exploiting Halapio. Baiting him to vacate the middle.
Plenty of snaps this preseason to better evaluate the C position. Will be fun to watch all the pending position battles.
Will benefit from Will Hernandez knowing what to do. Coming in from UT El Paso, he was more than a little lost. But he hasAs I rev enormous ability he overcame and is now ready to begin to be a star
As I recall, Pio had next to no center experience when he was called to take over that spot, last year. I thought he did very well, considering. Will will need very little help, Pio has been studying hard, while injured.
I think Pulley is as good as he's going to get (which isn't too bad), except he gets pushed back.. In that respect, he reminds me of ex Giant O'Hara, very smart not ever fooled, but not strong enough to approach 1st tier.
Meant to say - Hernandez has enormous ability.
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Pio is not very good... Pulley is much better. Pulley was very solid in the 2nd half of last season. Pio's play was very overrated at the start of last season, he looked very shakey. Start Pulley Week 1 and never look back. It was a mistake to even think Pio was better than Brett Jones last year, he wasn't. That's my honest opinion.
Thank you for your "honest" opinion. But sadly, it still doesn't make you right.
Well Canton, in case you dont know...
See the thing about opinions is...
it's an opinion.... soooo... Ugh...
I was not looking to be right or wrong but thanks for your thanks.
Their methodology is so shoddy that they often have people who know little about football trying to determine what a player's assignment was, what the playcall was and what schemes were employed.
Heck, we had one poster try this exact exercise (even using Halapio) last week and it was a complete load of crap.
When PFF doesn't know the insight you absolutely MUST have to know if a player did the right or wrong thing, they will continue to be nothing but stat porn
Pulley is a traditional second level C who can wall off inside backers and pick up blitzers where range is required. Going to be over-powered from time to time.
SB's relative success should determine starter.
That’s a good post - the contrasting styles will be interesting to watch during preseason.
Their methodology is so shoddy that they often have people who know little about football trying to determine what a player's assignment was, what the playcall was and what schemes were employed.
Heck, we had one poster try this exact exercise (even using Halapio) last week and it was a complete load of crap.
When PFF doesn't know the insight you absolutely MUST have to know if a player did the right or wrong thing, they will continue to be nothing but stat porn
I think they use interns for their college rankings. I imagine the interns who graduate go on the NFL games and/or write for PFF.
Their methodology is so shoddy that they often have people who know little about football trying to determine what a player's assignment was, what the playcall was and what schemes were employed.
This seems to be a cornerstone argument for you, and this is simply something you cannot actually prove. You're accusing the people who do it of knowing nothing, while doing the same thing. Unless, forgive me for jumping to conclusions, you have an inside knowledge of their process.
There are still a ton of question marks on this line outside of Zietler and Hernandez. Will Nate Solder live up to the big money thrown at him? The previously mentioned Center spot. And will Mike Remmers be a serviceable RT, if not, welcome back to the Chad Wheeler show.
The Giants offense absolutely needs to sustain drivers to take pressure off the defense which is still short a proven pass rusher and it starts with the offensive line.
PFF's rankings are fully dependent on people watching plays and determining if the player did their assignment correctly and followed the best result. So in theory, a QB could still get a negative rating for a TD pass if he makes a poor throw that a WR has to adjust to. Conversely, a WR who runs a route incorrectly gets docked points. But the reviewer has to know what the route was and if it was followed. Translate to rankings for OL and DL and they also need to assume what the playcall was, the assignment was and what the scheme was - and figure out if an audible and what audible was called.
It is completely provable to say that methodology is questionable if not downright horrible. Many people here put a lot of stock in Belicheck. He thinks PFF is hot garbage. He has a quote where he says that he can't even rate his players until all the staff is together and they call out what the play and assignments were, so how can a guy on his couch.
And the proof is in how NFL teams view PFF's rankings. There is not a single NFL team that ascribes to their player rankings. Not one. What PFF sells to team is quantitative data on snap counts and other stats that teams purchase in lieu of having an intern compile.
And obviously, this cannot be proven, but in talking with coaches, scouts and executives at the Combine, there is almost a unanimous disregard for what PFF has done to skew fans perceptions. Agents will try to use PFF rankings to get larger contracts. ESPN and fan sites quote PFF's rankings as if they are real indicators of play. There isn't even a belief that some of the rankings are even directionally correct.
It is stat porn, that plays well for those who follow metrics in baseball. They are trying to bring that same authority to the NFL, but whereas MLB GM's and coaches recognize the value of baseball analytics, it is completely different. It isn't a subjective rating system - it is concrete stats. For the NFL it is utter crap.
How can you not love this face?
They also don't judge on a stupid +1/-1 scale. Say a guy makes ten decent plays and one horrific mistake. He gets grade out as elite?
Collinsworth lucked into PFF, but he have to credit him to seeing this opportunity. That article is pretty much a marketing piece for their consumer products. I guarantee you the real pro gamblers aren't using PFF since they actually take the time to break down film similar to how a professional scout would and not assigning stupid +1/-1 grades.
Eli had a 280 lb pass rusher coming full bore, right at him, unblocked. THat's how QBs get injured.
The Cowboys were exploiting Halapio. Baiting him to vacate the middle.
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This seems to be a cornerstone argument for you, and this is simply something you cannot actually prove. You're accusing the people who do it of knowing nothing, while doing the same thing. Unless, forgive me for jumping to conclusions, you have an inside knowledge of their process.
PFF's rankings are fully dependent on people watching plays and determining if the player did their assignment correctly and followed the best result. So in theory, a QB could still get a negative rating for a TD pass if he makes a poor throw that a WR has to adjust to. Conversely, a WR who runs a route incorrectly gets docked points. But the reviewer has to know what the route was and if it was followed. Translate to rankings for OL and DL and they also need to assume what the playcall was, the assignment was and what the scheme was - and figure out if an audible and what audible was called.
It is completely provable to say that methodology is questionable if not downright horrible. Many people here put a lot of stock in Belicheck. He thinks PFF is hot garbage. He has a quote where he says that he can't even rate his players until all the staff is together and they call out what the play and assignments were, so how can a guy on his couch.
And the proof is in how NFL teams view PFF's rankings. There is not a single NFL team that ascribes to their player rankings. Not one. What PFF sells to team is quantitative data on snap counts and other stats that teams purchase in lieu of having an intern compile.
And obviously, this cannot be proven, but in talking with coaches, scouts and executives at the Combine, there is almost a unanimous disregard for what PFF has done to skew fans perceptions. Agents will try to use PFF rankings to get larger contracts. ESPN and fan sites quote PFF's rankings as if they are real indicators of play. There isn't even a belief that some of the rankings are even directionally correct.
It is stat porn, that plays well for those who follow metrics in baseball. They are trying to bring that same authority to the NFL, but whereas MLB GM's and coaches recognize the value of baseball analytics, it is completely different. It isn't a subjective rating system - it is concrete stats. For the NFL it is utter crap.