All signs are pointing to Erik Karlsson returning to SJ and re-signing with the Sharks, which would take the most prominent name off the 2019 UFA board.
Further to @TSNBobMcKenzie 's report on Erik Karlsson, I'm told the deal is indeed done: 8 years max deal, north of $11 million per season... the Sharks with a huge move in keeping the superstar D from hitting the market.
Listen its the cost of doing business, but I don't see him aging well with all the LB injuries he's suffered. 8 Years is a long time. come year 5 or 6 of that one they will be in cap hell.
and Gostisbehere both rumored to be legit "on the block" I like both.
Gostisbehere is better handling the puck, but Trouba beats him in every other facet IMO (and should cost more), but both would check a box for legit top 4 D (Ghost is LD, Trouba RD).
I hope the Canadiens are in on both and both fit what the Rangers should be looking at based on age.
Keep the temptation of signing him away and keep him out West. He's still a good player but clearly we all agree an 8 year max contract isn't going to age well for him.
I'm interested in Trouba but if the price is what Brooks threw out there in his article yesterday then hard pass.
but I am glad the Rangers aren't going to be saddled with this kind of contract. If they can somehow come away from this offseason with Trouba and Panarin, plus Kakko, I see no reason they can't contend for the playoffs next season. I still worry about the blue line, even with Trouba, but hopefully between Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, a few will make some big strides. Problem is they still have Smith and Staal who are detrimental to the team, and Shattenkirk, who while not terrible, is not a plus player and has a huge contract that no one will take. The next 3-4 weeks will be interesting.
Keep the temptation of signing him away and keep him out West. He's still a good player but clearly we all agree an 8 year max contract isn't going to age well for him.
I'm interested in Trouba but if the price is what Brooks threw out there in his article yesterday then hard pass.
but I am glad the Rangers aren't going to be saddled with this kind of contract. If they can somehow come away from this offseason with Trouba and Panarin, plus Kakko, I see no reason they can't contend for the playoffs next season. I still worry about the blue line, even with Trouba, but hopefully between Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, a few will make some big strides. Problem is they still have Smith and Staal who are detrimental to the team, and Shattenkirk, who while not terrible, is not a plus player and has a huge contract that no one will take. The next 3-4 weeks will be interesting.
I can envision a buyout of either Staal, Smith and/or Shattenkirk. Too many d-men in the pipeline to have these over-the-hill vets taking up roster space.
I hear talks between the Devs and Jets have broken down though for now. They both have a lot of mutual interest. I could see it heating up again. There was rumors of a Hall-Laine swap if Hall balks on re-signing with the Devs. evidently Ottawa made an offer for Hall and Shero laughed at them. Don't know what it was.
but I am glad the Rangers aren't going to be saddled with this kind of contract. If they can somehow come away from this offseason with Trouba and Panarin, plus Kakko, I see no reason they can't contend for the playoffs next season. I still worry about the blue line, even with Trouba, but hopefully between Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, a few will make some big strides. Problem is they still have Smith and Staal who are detrimental to the team, and Shattenkirk, who while not terrible, is not a plus player and has a huge contract that no one will take. The next 3-4 weeks will be interesting.
I can envision a buyout of either Staal, Smith and/or Shattenkirk. Too many d-men in the pipeline to have these over-the-hill vets taking up roster space.
I agree, and hope they would buy out Staal of those 3. He declined very rapidly after being a key component of one of the best blue lines in the league just 5-6 years ago.
Create space by burying Smith, and seeing what Vesey/Names can fetch. I'd rather attach an asset to Staal's contract (depending on what it is obviously), to move him, then to be saddled with dead cap for 4 more years, in addition to Girardi's 4 more seasons of dead cap. If you're dead set on buying him out, do it next off-season, when it would only be 2 seasons of dead cap.
I still think Shatty can be valuable on the blue-line, and on the PP, and with a full offseason of rehab should be a little improved.
great player but he likely has 3-5 good years left
i hope the Rangers can resist signing a big ticket free agent--especially toothpick Panarin. Just continue the rebuild. Rangers need to suck for another year to restock the farm. This is the year to trade Kreider, who should bring back two firsts or the equivalent in players and prospects
these are the players traded in the NHL for two first round picks:
No, that's not white ink, from my quick research there has been no one traded for two 1sts in the last dozen years. I did not go back further.
And I'm a Kreider fan, but I severely doubt at 28 years old and really a career underachiever, in the final year of his contract Kreider will get 2 1sts back from anyone. Good trade if Gorton pulls that off.
but I am glad the Rangers aren't going to be saddled with this kind of contract. If they can somehow come away from this offseason with Trouba and Panarin, plus Kakko, I see no reason they can't contend for the playoffs next season. I still worry about the blue line, even with Trouba, but hopefully between Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, a few will make some big strides. Problem is they still have Smith and Staal who are detrimental to the team, and Shattenkirk, who while not terrible, is not a plus player and has a huge contract that no one will take. The next 3-4 weeks will be interesting.
I can envision a buyout of either Staal, Smith and/or Shattenkirk. Too many d-men in the pipeline to have these over-the-hill vets taking up roster space.
It just doesn’t make sense to eat dead cap space in 2021-2023 when we should be competing for the playoffs again just to free up capital this upcoming season in what will undoubtedly be another rebuilding year.
I know JD believes in fielding something of a competitiive team because it gets players motivated and aides in young player development — and that logic makes sense.... but there’s still no reason why we can’t stay comfortably under the cap this year without buyouts.
And smith can be sent to Hartford or put in a press box all year or rolled out as a 4th line wing.
And staal id rather eat half or even two thirds of his salary in a trade - he has a NMC but hopefully maybe one of his brothers can get their teams to absorb him - even at $2 mil a year or whatever for the two years left. It’s not like he’s worse than Girardi and Tampa gave him a like deal....
And thank God the sharks resigned Karlsson
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these are the players traded in the NHL for two first round picks:
No, that's not white ink, from my quick research there has been no one traded for two 1sts in the last dozen years. I did not go back further.
And I'm a Kreider fan, but I severely doubt at 28 years old and really a career underachiever, in the final year of his contract Kreider will get 2 1sts back from anyone. Good trade if Gorton pulls that off.
these are the players traded in the NHL for two first round picks:
No, that's not white ink, from my quick research there has been no one traded for two 1sts in the last dozen years. I did not go back further.
And I'm a Kreider fan, but I severely doubt at 28 years old and really a career underachiever, in the final year of his contract Kreider will get 2 1sts back from anyone. Good trade if Gorton pulls that off.
Didn’t the rangers give up two firsts for MSL?
Yes, but it was conditional based on the Rangers reaching the SCF. Should have clarified my post did not include conditional pick trades. So, yes, while it wound up 2 1sts I don't consider him traded for 2 1sts. Maybe semantics.
(player) really sucks. Let's trade him even if we have to retain salary. If a guy sucks why would another team want to trade for him?
those guys suck more on the Rangers because they are top 4 D.
On other teams, contending teams, someone like Staal or Shattenkirk on a 3rd pair could be viewed as a difference maker. with only 2 seasons left on their deals they could be moved. And if the Rangers eat salary they might even get some moderate value back in addition to get out of a bad contract.
(player) really sucks. Let's trade him even if we have to retain salary. If a guy sucks why would another team want to trade for him?
Shattenkirk and maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t think Staal sucks either. They are just paid too much money. Rangers would have to eat salary to move them but that would still beat eating dead cap for four more years.
Smith on the other hand - he sucks. I’d just bury him in Hartford and bring him up for the occasional fourth line wing role when forward injuries hit.
Picas- I don’t know how many players have netted two first rounders - plenty have netted a first and a role player prospect which might be a similar return when we are taking 20s selection picks (one could argue pionk has late first round value plus the jets pick for Trouba....) - but I agree Kreider isn’t returning two firsts not by a long shot. Especially in a contract year now.
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Further to @TSNBobMcKenzie 's report on Erik Karlsson, I'm told the deal is indeed done: 8 years max deal, north of $11 million per season... the Sharks with a huge move in keeping the superstar D from hitting the market.
good luck near the end of that contract for SJS.
Gostisbehere is better handling the puck, but Trouba beats him in every other facet IMO (and should cost more), but both would check a box for legit top 4 D (Ghost is LD, Trouba RD).
I hope the Canadiens are in on both and both fit what the Rangers should be looking at based on age.
I'm interested in Trouba but if the price is what Brooks threw out there in his article yesterday then hard pass.
I'm interested in Trouba but if the price is what Brooks threw out there in his article yesterday then hard pass.
All this +1
I can envision a buyout of either Staal, Smith and/or Shattenkirk. Too many d-men in the pipeline to have these over-the-hill vets taking up roster space.
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but I am glad the Rangers aren't going to be saddled with this kind of contract. If they can somehow come away from this offseason with Trouba and Panarin, plus Kakko, I see no reason they can't contend for the playoffs next season. I still worry about the blue line, even with Trouba, but hopefully between Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, a few will make some big strides. Problem is they still have Smith and Staal who are detrimental to the team, and Shattenkirk, who while not terrible, is not a plus player and has a huge contract that no one will take. The next 3-4 weeks will be interesting.
I can envision a buyout of either Staal, Smith and/or Shattenkirk. Too many d-men in the pipeline to have these over-the-hill vets taking up roster space.
I agree, and hope they would buy out Staal of those 3. He declined very rapidly after being a key component of one of the best blue lines in the league just 5-6 years ago.
Create space by burying Smith, and seeing what Vesey/Names can fetch. I'd rather attach an asset to Staal's contract (depending on what it is obviously), to move him, then to be saddled with dead cap for 4 more years, in addition to Girardi's 4 more seasons of dead cap. If you're dead set on buying him out, do it next off-season, when it would only be 2 seasons of dead cap.
I still think Shatty can be valuable on the blue-line, and on the PP, and with a full offseason of rehab should be a little improved.
i hope the Rangers can resist signing a big ticket free agent--especially toothpick Panarin. Just continue the rebuild. Rangers need to suck for another year to restock the farm. This is the year to trade Kreider, who should bring back two firsts or the equivalent in players and prospects
No, that's not white ink, from my quick research there has been no one traded for two 1sts in the last dozen years. I did not go back further.
And I'm a Kreider fan, but I severely doubt at 28 years old and really a career underachiever, in the final year of his contract Kreider will get 2 1sts back from anyone. Good trade if Gorton pulls that off.
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but I am glad the Rangers aren't going to be saddled with this kind of contract. If they can somehow come away from this offseason with Trouba and Panarin, plus Kakko, I see no reason they can't contend for the playoffs next season. I still worry about the blue line, even with Trouba, but hopefully between Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov, a few will make some big strides. Problem is they still have Smith and Staal who are detrimental to the team, and Shattenkirk, who while not terrible, is not a plus player and has a huge contract that no one will take. The next 3-4 weeks will be interesting.
I can envision a buyout of either Staal, Smith and/or Shattenkirk. Too many d-men in the pipeline to have these over-the-hill vets taking up roster space.
It just doesn’t make sense to eat dead cap space in 2021-2023 when we should be competing for the playoffs again just to free up capital this upcoming season in what will undoubtedly be another rebuilding year.
I know JD believes in fielding something of a competitiive team because it gets players motivated and aides in young player development — and that logic makes sense.... but there’s still no reason why we can’t stay comfortably under the cap this year without buyouts.
And smith can be sent to Hartford or put in a press box all year or rolled out as a 4th line wing.
And staal id rather eat half or even two thirds of his salary in a trade - he has a NMC but hopefully maybe one of his brothers can get their teams to absorb him - even at $2 mil a year or whatever for the two years left. It’s not like he’s worse than Girardi and Tampa gave him a like deal....
And thank God the sharks resigned Karlsson
No, that's not white ink, from my quick research there has been no one traded for two 1sts in the last dozen years. I did not go back further.
And I'm a Kreider fan, but I severely doubt at 28 years old and really a career underachiever, in the final year of his contract Kreider will get 2 1sts back from anyone. Good trade if Gorton pulls that off.
Didn’t the rangers give up two firsts for MSL?
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these are the players traded in the NHL for two first round picks:
No, that's not white ink, from my quick research there has been no one traded for two 1sts in the last dozen years. I did not go back further.
And I'm a Kreider fan, but I severely doubt at 28 years old and really a career underachiever, in the final year of his contract Kreider will get 2 1sts back from anyone. Good trade if Gorton pulls that off.
Didn’t the rangers give up two firsts for MSL?
Yes, but it was conditional based on the Rangers reaching the SCF. Should have clarified my post did not include conditional pick trades. So, yes, while it wound up 2 1sts I don't consider him traded for 2 1sts. Maybe semantics.
those guys suck more on the Rangers because they are top 4 D.
On other teams, contending teams, someone like Staal or Shattenkirk on a 3rd pair could be viewed as a difference maker. with only 2 seasons left on their deals they could be moved. And if the Rangers eat salary they might even get some moderate value back in addition to get out of a bad contract.
Shattenkirk and maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t think Staal sucks either. They are just paid too much money. Rangers would have to eat salary to move them but that would still beat eating dead cap for four more years.
Smith on the other hand - he sucks. I’d just bury him in Hartford and bring him up for the occasional fourth line wing role when forward injuries hit.
Picas- I don’t know how many players have netted two first rounders - plenty have netted a first and a role player prospect which might be a similar return when we are taking 20s selection picks (one could argue pionk has late first round value plus the jets pick for Trouba....) - but I agree Kreider isn’t returning two firsts not by a long shot. Especially in a contract year now.