Not a game thread, I'm not up with the big club for that responsibility.
So the team obviously has some issues with starting pictching, and at the rate of use the bullpen is going to fall off a cliff in the second half. It's assumed a front line starter will be added, and if Sevy and Betances can rebound to help at all in the second half (can they even consider counting on them?) that should settle itself out.
Now let's consider that they just got EE and have Stanton and Judge knocking on the door. In my opinion, they're going back to the boom or bust offense, which I personally dislike. Yesterday, they smacked the ball all over the yard and scored 9 runs without Maybin's HR. The team has excelled despite the pitching letting them down at times, and I'm worried that we're going to see K, K, K, HR, K, K, K HR with these guys now. I'm very leary of this looming change in the lineup. I'm hoping the chemestry isn't screwed up. This a HUGE stretch coming up. 12 of the next 18 games before the All-Star break come agains TB (7), Hou (3), and Boston (2). Then there's also the Mets, never an easy series.
This is it, folks, the mashers are coming back and chemistry will change and it's coming against some of the best in the league. This is going to be the stretch that tells us where we can expect to go this year, IMHO.
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Frazier has struck out more and at a considerably faster clip than has Encarnacion.
Not me....just concerned with the whiffs.
Thanks Matt, good analysis in there. I agree with all of it, it's exactly what I fear: Boom or Bust. It might work, but I'm not sure there will be enough there come playoff time when good (great) picthing generally beats good (great) hitting. I get what they're doing and why...I'm just not convinced it will work.
Duned...I also understand your point. But on Saturday night, Judge and Stanton went a combined 0 for 8 with no BB and 4 Ks, and last night they went 1 for 8 with a single, no BBs, and 4 Ks. That's 1-18 with no BBs, 1 RBI, no runs scored, and 8Ks.
That worries me. Yes, they get on 35% of the time...but it's not always a matter of percentage, it's when, and what is the production from it.
Not that they hit too many...that they RELY on too many.
Remember, chicks dig the long ball.
Frazier needs to play everyday. He needs to straighten out his fielding. He should not be considered a DH with his speed, arm and youth. He needs to be at least league average by next spring when he'd be in the rotation with Stanton, Judge and Hicks. (Who would be the backup CF? Judge?)
Yes, Judge gets on base 40% of the time....but he gets on base at the wrong time and doesn't get a lot or production when he does get on base????
Yankee fans abilities to contort themselves to convince themselves that hitting home runs and getting on base at a high clip is bad is absolutely amazing.
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Yes, they get on 35% of the time...but it's not always a matter of percentage, it's when, and what is the production from it.
Yes, Judge gets on base 40% of the time....but he gets on base at the wrong time and doesn't get a lot or production when he does get on base????
Yankee fans abilities to contort themselves to convince themselves that hitting home runs and getting on base at a high clip is bad is absolutely amazing.
Tesla...why the vitriol? I'm talking about the difference between going 0-4 three days in a row and going 3-4 three days in a row. 9 for 24 is outstanding. 0-12 sucks. Get it? Percentages aren't linear. Additionally, not all of those times out of the 9-12 will he be driven in, so from a team run production standpoint, it's unproductive. Again, it's not necissarily linear. Like Gio's unlikely 2 out production this year...it can't stand up. But even if he returns to the mean for 2 out production for the year, he's still going to have an eye popping statistical average.
I agree, but 1 or 2 days per week so Hicks can get a day off should be ok, I would hope..long term they'd have to bring someone up (Tauchman)?
Be happy about that! Homers are good....heck they're great!!!! Getting on base is great! We're going to put an a lineup out that that wouldn't look out of place in an all star game. This is fun!
I am beginning to feel the same way about Judge and Stanton. Because they lift every day they will always have a strain or a pull somewhere and they will never play more than 130 games a year. Sick of the non-baseball injuries related to weight training. Swinging a bat should never result in IR.
I thought about this too. Both of those teams could use a power boost. Glad he's with us instead of against us.
Stanton played in 159 games in 2017 and 158 games in 2018, while Judge played 155 games in 2017 and his injury last year was a broken wrist from getting drilled on the hand by a pitch, not a muscle pull. Other than that, great post!
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they will never play more than 130 games a year
Stanton played in 159 games in 2017 and 158 games in 2018, while Judge played 155 games in 2017 and his injury last year was a broken wrist from getting drilled on the hand by a pitch, not a muscle pull. Other than that, great post!
Yes, but just think of how much they'd both be if they never lifted weights and were't as strong!!!!! They'd both be unstoppable then.
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about the Frazier demotion.....this kid is a hitter whos helped carry this team all year. He deserves to be playing in the majors not the minors.Guess you can tell Im not a Stanton fan and my love for Judge is also going downhill......what good is a player thats never in the lineup. Give me a kid like Frazier that works his ass off
I am beginning to feel the same way about Judge and Stanton. Because they lift every day they will always have a strain or a pull somewhere and they will never play more than 130 games a year. Sick of the non-baseball injuries related to weight training. Swinging a bat should never result in IR.
Not for nothing, are we forgetting Frazier missed a whole season with a concussion and his fielding has turned to crap likely the result of that concussion. Judge got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist(last season) and that is not a "lifting" injury. Stanton played with a hammy for 6 weeks and carried the team while Judge was out. Didi blew his UCL out fielding. Torres blew his UCL out sliding. Andujar blew out his shoulder sliding....Players get injured. Part of the game.
The Yankees just weathered almost 3 months of their top 3 or 4 players being out and are in 1st place.
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about the Frazier demotion.....this kid is a hitter whos helped carry this team all year. He deserves to be playing in the majors not the minors.Guess you can tell Im not a Stanton fan and my love for Judge is also going downhill......what good is a player thats never in the lineup. Give me a kid like Frazier that works his ass off
I am beginning to feel the same way about Judge and Stanton. Because they lift every day they will always have a strain or a pull somewhere and they will never play more than 130 games a year. Sick of the non-baseball injuries related to weight training. Swinging a bat should never result in IR.
Not for nothing, are we forgetting Frazier missed a whole season with a concussion and his fielding has turned to crap likely the result of that concussion. Judge got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist(last season) and that is not a "lifting" injury. Stanton played with a hammy for 6 weeks and carried the team while Judge was out. Didi blew his UCL out fielding. Torres blew his UCL out sliding. Andujar blew out his shoulder sliding....Players get injured. Part of the game.
The Yankees just weathered almost 3 months of their top 3 or 4 players being out and are in 1st place.
Haha, let's not let facts get in the way. Lol.
I think your last line can't be underestimated. We are really fortunate the fill in guys have the team where they are and won't have to dig out of a hole but that's really all they were, backups who came in, performed well and helped the team.
Let's not forget how good the guys coming back are and think somehow they're going to cause the team to slide or ruin the chemistry. They are two fantastic ball players and there is zero doubt they are better than the guys who filled in for them. How could upgrading possible be a bad thing?
I don't understand the thoughts some have how we'd be better off staying with the team as is, or even being concerned about getting our two big stars back.
Be happy about that! Homers are good....heck they're great!!!! Getting on base is great! We're going to put an a lineup out that that wouldn't look out of place in an all star game. This is fun!
LOL! Where and when did I say that it is or would be bad to add them to the lineup? Bending over backwards? The team is in first place without them. And it's the pitching that's cost them games, not the hitting. Did you see where I said that HRs aren't bad, but relying on them...particularly in the playoffs, is a fool's errand. You know this. I said that I'm worried about the chemistry and over reliance on HRs. Do you disagree that this might be a concern?
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as I was getting out of bed this AM- if we didn't get EE you can sure as hell bet Boston or especially Tampa would have been in on that.
I thought about this too. Both of those teams could use a power boost. Glad he's with us instead of against us.
He was definitely on Tampa's radar.
Here, read it again for yourself:
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about the Frazier demotion.....this kid is a hitter whos helped carry this team all year. He deserves to be playing in the majors not the minors.Guess you can tell Im not a Stanton fan and my love for Judge is also going downhill......what good is a player thats never in the lineup. Give me a kid like Frazier that works his ass off
I am beginning to feel the same way about Judge and Stanton. Because they lift every day they will always have a strain or a pull somewhere and they will never play more than 130 games a year. Sick of the non-baseball injuries related to weight training. Swinging a bat should never result in IR.
And Frazier has been a tower of durability? I think you guys are getting carried away with the flavor of the month. Yes Frazier has impressed at the dish, but he's been a horror show in RF. Maybin is much better suited for the reserve role. Don't forget superstars always have a better 2nd season in NY after they've adjusted. Stanton hasn't had that chance yet.
One of his buddies said he's throwing bullpens but isn't ready for game action, may not get to play on a team this year. Vague on what the injury is though. Presumably still the shoulder, but they're so tight-lipped with injury news that it's tough to figure out.
whatever you can give us would be great much appreciated!
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What is the current thought about Abreu? How long before he gets a chance at the bigs?
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all Yankees minor league teams will be in action. A ton of kids to follow. It's been a fun year so far, and it's just getting started. Anyone you guys are particularly interested in hearing about?
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What is the current thought about Abreu? How long before he gets a chance at the bigs?
He has been erratic this year. At his best he's almost unhittable. Last time out 2 H over 6 IP, three starts ago 2 H over 7 scoreless. And he has the stuff to pitch around mistakes. But he's a bit like Sheffield last year (distinct from Sheffield this year, who has been crap in the Mariners org) in that the results don't quite match the stuff yet. He could pitch at AAA passably well right now, but he'll probably spend another six weeks at AA before getting a late-season cup of coffee with SWB.
Pereira and Cabello are the two big ones. Pereira's in Staten Island, any word on Cabello?
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all Yankees minor league teams will be in action. A ton of kids to follow. It's been a fun year so far, and it's just getting started. Anyone you guys are particularly interested in hearing about?
Pereira and Cabello are the two big ones. Pereira's in Staten Island, any word on Cabello?
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Good luck stringing together 8 singles in a row (like we did yesterday) off a Verlander or Sale type pitcher in the playoffs. Sounds like a piece of cake.
I really don't know what people want.
You must be a troll. You don't love Judge now? JUDGE! And I don't want to bring up race but it is a little interesting you don't like Stanton and Judge but you looooove the gritty and gutty Frazier. Yeah cause Stanton and Judge don't work their ass off and Frazier never has been hurt....
Frazier can't field! He is worse than Shin-Soo Choo who is accurately described as a statue masquerading as a right fielder. The Yankees ran him out there every day and he actually got worse. Right now he is a DH. The Yankees are hoping it is just a lingering effect from the concussions but he was a pretty bad fielder in 2017 too. He has good tools but takes really bad routes to the ball and doesn't naturally read things well. The Yankees can't run him out there every day like the White Sox are doing with the also horrible fielding Eloy Jimenez and Nats are doing with Juan Soto hoping they improve with more reps. So they want him to work on his fielding away from the bright lights of NYC while they get BETTER players back.
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about the Frazier demotion.....this kid is a hitter whos helped carry this team all year. He deserves to be playing in the majors not the minors.Guess you can tell Im not a Stanton fan and my love for Judge is also going downhill......what good is a player thats never in the lineup. Give me a kid like Frazier that works his ass off
You must be a troll. You don't love Judge now? JUDGE! And I don't want to bring up race but it is a little interesting you don't like Stanton and Judge but you looooove the gritty and gutty Frazier. Yeah cause Stanton and Judge don't work their ass off and Frazier never has been hurt....
Deej - I kindly ask to please never insinuate any race bias. It is a disgusting habit of people today. It is bandied about like a common slur. You don't know anyone personally here and typing on a keyboard rarely gives insight as to a posters true intent (bad use of English and syntax). It is just not fair or warranted.
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Now let's consider that they just got EE and have Stanton and Judge knocking on the door. In my opinion, they're going back to the boom or bust offense, which I personally dislike. Yesterday, they smacked the ball all over the yard and scored 9 runs without Maybin's HR. The team has excelled despite the pitching letting them down at times, and I'm worried that we're going to see K, K, K, HR, K, K, K HR with these guys now. I'm very leary of this looming change in the lineup. I'm hoping the chemestry isn't screwed up.
Ok...if you guys believe because I'm worried that I mean it's "bad" that they're coming back, even though I didn't say that, so be it. I'll reiterate: I don't like the boom or bust offense. The team went on a 32-10 streak without these guys, and they obviously have a chemistry. I think it's prudent to be worried about the chemistry being upset. I'm a huge fan of these three guys and hope it works.
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about the Frazier demotion.....this kid is a hitter whos helped carry this team all year. He deserves to be playing in the majors not the minors.Guess you can tell Im not a Stanton fan and my love for Judge is also going downhill......what good is a player thats never in the lineup. Give me a kid like Frazier that works his ass off
You must be a troll. You don't love Judge now? JUDGE! And I don't want to bring up race but it is a little interesting you don't like Stanton and Judge but you looooove the gritty and gutty Frazier. Yeah cause Stanton and Judge don't work their ass off and Frazier never has been hurt....
Frazier can't field! He is worse than Shin-Soo Choo who is accurately described as a statue masquerading as a right fielder. The Yankees ran him out there every day and he actually got worse. Right now he is a DH. The Yankees are hoping it is just a lingering effect from the concussions but he was a pretty bad fielder in 2017 too. He has good tools but takes really bad routes to the ball and doesn't naturally read things well. The Yankees can't run him out there every day like the White Sox are doing with the also horrible fielding Eloy Jimenez and Nats are doing with Juan Soto hoping they improve with more reps. So they want him to work on his fielding away from the bright lights of NYC while they get BETTER players back.
Shit-post.
I agree that there seem to be some guys that feast on shitty pitching...and the eye test seems like Stanton could be one of those guys. I don't know if there is any data to back that up either generally or specifically to Stanton.
But that's a VERY different argument than saying a team hits too many home runs, and needs more single hitters in the lineup.
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some hitters feast on shitty pitching, and are patient to the point of passivity when it comes to strike-throwers. I love me some Nick Swisher, but he was dogshit in the playoffs largely for this reason. But yeah, on the whole hitting homeruns and taking walks are good outcomes whether they happen in the third inning or the ninth.
I agree that there seem to be some guys that feast on shitty pitching...and the eye test seems like Stanton could be one of those guys. I don't know if there is any data to back that up either generally or specifically to Stanton.
But that's a VERY different argument than saying a team hits too many home runs, and needs more single hitters in the lineup.
Bottom line for me is are Judge and Stanton better than the guys who they'll be pushing out of the lineup? The answer is yes and it's not even close. We're talking about two MVP caliber players coming back into the lineup. . Someone please explain to me how this is a bad thing?