Daniel Jones Draft Rumor GMFB

Have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Keep in mind, some of these guys who might be praising the pick now, might be the same ones who went of their way to say how terrible the pick was on draft night.

From another thread last night:


So as I mentioned earlier this week
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I swung by the job today to ask Ian Rapoport about Jones while he waited for his father by the first tee. I asked, “you don’t really think Jones is gonna beat out Eli this summer, right?” He smiled and said “The_Boss, all I’m gonna tell you is they are ecstatic about Jones thus far. I’m telling you, he(Jones) has a legit shot”.

Apparently tomorrow, he’s the celebrity “guest” at an autism charity golf event at Winged Foot....lucky him...

In comment 14474282 figgy2989 said:

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Have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Keep in mind, some of these guys who might be praising the pick now, might be the same ones who went of their way to say how terrible the pick was on draft night.

Yeh but this wasn't about his opinion. It is about how he has sources that said two teams ahead of the Giants that had very real interest in DJ. Naming the Cards as one of those teams.

offense is the screen game, which Saquon could be absolutely devastating. Eli just isn't very good at running screens.

In comment 14474282 figgy2989 said:

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Have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Keep in mind, some of these guys who might be praising the pick now, might be the same ones who went of their way to say how terrible the pick was on draft night.

Disagree.

Post-draft, what does anyone that didnt draft Jones have to gain by saying Jones was rated highly on their board...? Nothing at all. Therefore you may take it with a grain of salt but I take it as they have zero reason to make any of that up...

Now pre-draft, letting people know Jones is not a top 10 type of QB prospect, maybe maybe maybe you gain Daniel Jones by putting that smoke out there...

that DJ was in serious consideration.

The draft is over, the guy is on the team, and he'll either succeed or fail. All these rumors are pointless now.

but that is complete and utter bullshit that Jones was ever considered at 1. Murray was the guy for Arizona the moment Kingsbury got there. I posted the asshat rumor prior to the draft that I spoke with someone who is as embedded in the Oklahoma program as anyone and they all knew Murray was going #1. He wasn't going to come out unless that was set. The NFL pretty much hosed the Cardinals because they didn't want Rosen traded prior to the draft because that would give away any drama on draft night. The only plausible way that Jones would have been in the conversation is if the Cardinals could convince Goodell that Murray wasn't a sure thing and they'd go for a different QB.

Bottom line, Murray was always the pick and it never deviated.

That there were teams interested ahead of the giants. I'm skeptical of the Cardinals but you dont think coaches like Shannahan, Gruden, and Arians would be interested in Jones? I think he may have been theri top qb

by the draft "experts" at #4.

There hasn't been ONE negative comment about that pick.
Why? Because Mike Mayock is the GM and is considered the Guru for ranking college players and spotting talent. The argument is, if Mayock wasn't the Raiders GM, he would have had that player rated high in his published rankings and therefore all of the draft "experts" would have also rated that player higher and it would have been just fine picking him at #4.

The point is, these are the same draft "experts" that rated DJ. If Mayock had DJ rated higher, DJ would have moved up the other "experts" boards and there wouldn't have been the over dramatic reaction. If Mayock drafted DJ, there wouldn't have been this reaction either.

At this point it doesn't matter. If DJ turns out to be a productive NFL QB, folks will claim they liked him pre-draft. If he doesn't, folks will claim that they knew he would be a bum in the NFL.

recently where he claims he talked to Giants folks and is hearing all kinds of positive things regarding DJ. I can't remember exactly what he said.

I'm not a fan of CS, just passing along a tidbit that he mentioned.

claimed he had a source that some team wanted Jones as a TE and didn't believe he was a NFL QB. No one in the NFL had that rumor but Manish. Manish is a troll, total hack, and Sam Darnold fanboy who openly was mocking Jones after the Giants picked him.

The point is anyone can make up anything about the draft. Everyone was mocking Jones but now the narrative has changed after people actually got to see him and they are saying he was a top pick all along.

I saw this segment some time ago, so what you saw was a rerun.

He was obviously being facetious. It wasn’t a serious take on his end. They are poking fun at DG’s remarks about knowing 2 teams were interested.

It’s over with. Done hearing about it

but ends up being a much smaller story than the "Eli Manning clone," coached by the Manning's coach, being picked "too high" by Eli's team, as a replacement for Eli. That's always going to be a bigger story. Bigger names, bigger city, bigger position and CF isn't replacing a franchise legend

At that time we will know if it was a Reach, Steal or Just right

In comment 14474416 djstat said:

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At that time we will know if it was a Reach, Steal or Just right

Seconded.

In comment 14474296 Zeke's Alibi said:

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offense is the screen game, which Saquon could be absolutely devastating. Eli just isn't very good at running screens.

IDK. Its hard to execute a screen (or draw) when the team is predictable when calling it and everyone in the house knows its coming.

there is a lot of interesting information in there. a lot

Any time someone posts something positive about Jones, there seems to be a need from some posters to put a negative spin on it. Not referring to the poster above as his take on the Cards first pick seems objective.

But if you’re paying attention you know what I mean.

Why Isn’t an elite athlete with a good NFL arm something to be excited about without qualifiers?

Like it or not extending plays with your legs is a big part of NFL quarterbacking these days. It doesn’t over come an inability to be successful from the pocket, but if you have that plus mobility you have something special.

Aren’t you tired of seeing guys like Wentz, Smith when he played, Prescott, etc extend drives against the Giants and them never returning the favor?

I am.

... and will always believe that both Denver and Cincy wanted Jones. The fact that Denver traded their pick right after the Giants selected Jones proves (to me) that there were teams looking to trade up or Denver was going to take him.

All the other stuff, who knows. And I don't even care... lol.

I like the pic. I think he is going to do good things as a Giant. I also think Eli is going to have by far his best statistical year since 2011.

In comment 14474302 Greg from LI said:

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The draft is over, the guy is on the team, and he'll either succeed or fail. All these rumors are pointless now.

I am agreeing with Greg twice in one day and on different subjects . . . world . . . spinning .. . out . . . of . . . control .. .

but if teams were so interested in Jones that picked ahead of the Giants and didn't pick him exactly how interested were they and why would it matter?

That reports of teams wanting Jones at draft time is equivalent to reports on how he is performing. The better he looks, the more teams wanted him. The worse he looks, the lower he was on everyone’s board.

Macadoo had visions of Mahomes being a league mvp.

In comment 14474324 ZogZerg said:

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by the draft "experts" at #4. There hasn't been ONE negative comment about that pick.

Oh, I don't know about that...

In comment 14474541 joeinpa said:

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Any time someone posts something positive about Jones, there seems to be a need from some posters to put a negative spin on it. Not referring to the poster above as his take on the Cards first pick seems objective. But if you’re paying attention you know what I mean. Why Isn’t an elite athlete with a good NFL arm something to be excited about without qualifiers? Like it or not extending plays with your legs is a big part of NFL quarterbacking these days. It doesn’t over come an inability to be successful from the pocket, but if you have that plus mobility you have something special. Aren’t you tired of seeing guys like Wentz, Smith when he played, Prescott, etc extend drives against the Giants and them never returning the favor? I am.

I take it as just the opposite. It seems that there are those that just can't seem to let it go whether Jones was going to get picked 1st or 7th or as far as 17 or maybe farther. Who cares any more? Yet another poster who liked the pick seems to want to bring up old news yet again. What is it with some of you? Can't you just be excited that Jones is coming that you have then create another gossip thread to build up Jones?

Many of the posters who think Jones is a good pick seem to think it okay to bash those of us that didn't like it - and tell us "Get over it." Mny of us "are over it." What those of you who just want to keep rehashing old news about where he might've been drafted? Get over it. For me I am. I can't wait and will be pulling for Jones hard as well as every NY Giant player.

Yet you get these posters who think Jones was a good pick- they make up things on this site and post things like "I think there are posters who don't want the Giants succeed." That's a load of crap. It's just for those that want to make themselves feel better about the pick. Sure there might be 1 in 20,000 posters that might feel that way. And now we get another "gossip" thread as to where Jones "MIGHT" have been picked. Give me a break.

Let's all root for the Giants and stop with this gossip crap this late after the draft along with the crap that for those of not so high on Jones that we're rooting for the team to fail.

For me - I am just so excited about the potential of Barkley that if Jones is "just" "pretty good" for 2020 we could be sooooo much fun to watch for a lot of years. Nothing would be better than that. If the OLINE is as good as what some of the "optimists" on this board say-- Barkley is going to super, super, super, great with a good Jones leading us.

Yet -- I "eagerly" await another post soon from the optimists as how we stole Jones with the our pick and that DG was actually telling the truth. Can I stop laughing now after I said "truth" and DG" in the same sentence? Anyways I'm excited for GMEN and can't wait for football to start.

In comment 14474375 Saos1n said:

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I saw this segment some time ago, so what you saw was a rerun. He was obviously being facetious. It wasn’t a serious take on his end. They are poking fun at DG’s remarks about knowing 2 teams were interested. It’s over with. Done hearing about it

Yeah this was from GMFBs best of 2019 segment today and the comment by Brandt was a joke, he wasn’t being serious.
Gmfb reach, steal or right(5 minutes in) - ( New Window )

In comment 14474339 ZogZerg said:

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recently where he claims he talked to Giants folks and is hearing all kinds of positive things regarding DJ. I can't remember exactly what he said. I'm not a fan of CS, just passing along a tidbit that he mentioned.

Simms said that he heard from the coaches and sources in the organization that Jones has been very impressive. Simms suggested that he didn't put too much weight in their words but then he spoke to people outside the organization who saw Jones in practice.

Simms said that they were very impressed by what they saw.

Last week Chris Mortensen said almost the same thing. Mortensen said that he spoke to several people who criticized the Giants for taking Jones at 6. He said that they all did a 180 and were very impressed by Jones. Mortensen said they called Jones "the real deal".

First he's an awful pick not even so much because of his talent / skillset, but because of the early pick. Very little talk about his football film outside of not having a strong arm supposedly

Now, because of either watching OTAs (the least 'live' version of football played) if not reading others' opinions (likely NYG staff's post-OTA comments even)...he's "the real deal"

Even tho that's what media does and people click / read so 'it works' from that standpoint, the content is borderline idiotic

In comment 14474764 ChaChing said:

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First he's an awful pick not even so much because of his talent / skillset, but because of the early pick. Very little talk about his football film outside of not having a strong arm supposedly Now, because of either watching OTAs (the least 'live' version of football played) if not reading others' opinions (likely NYG staff's post-OTA comments even)...he's "the real deal" Even tho that's what media does and people click / read so 'it works' from that standpoint, the content is borderline idiotic

It's entertaining watching these analysts and journalists who bashed the Jones pick refer to others who bashed the Jones pick. Of course they act like they were not apart of the mob and were always high on Jones.

In comment 14474282 figgy2989 said:

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Have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Keep in mind, some of these guys who might be praising the pick now, might be the same ones who went of their way to say how terrible the pick was on draft night.

Before and after — it’s just hilarious now how fast the media and even some fans flip and all because of a few practices in May! lol. The mere fact that some talkies are so wishy washy herky jerky with this draft shit should invalidate their opinionated hot takes once and far all. I mean this is just fucking ridiculous.

This sounds plausible. Just in general how so many have 180ed seemingly overnight.


With that said please please please please let this all be true. Man how sweet would it be to have a young fresh qb and all the giants needed to use was one pick. Away we go..... cmon we’re due.

Obviously it's been positive thus far, but time will tell. Crossing my fingers.

In comment 14474931 djm said:

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In comment 14474282 figgy2989 said: Quote: Have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Keep in mind, some of these guys who might be praising the pick now, might be the same ones who went of their way to say how terrible the pick was on draft night. Before and after — it’s just hilarious now how fast the media and even some fans flip and all because of a few practices in May! lol. The mere fact that some talkies are so wishy washy herky jerky with this draft shit should invalidate their opinionated hot takes once and far all. I mean this is just fucking ridiculous.

I had some reservations because he does a lot of stuff well, but on film the ball seemed like it took a tick too long to get to the sideline in the NFL. It's been reported in person it doesn't seem that way at all. Maybe it is an illusion how he spins it or whatever. If he couldn't we would be reading a lot about interceptions and deflected passes out there. It is early, but count me as pysched because, to me at least, he has answered that question.

In comment 14474322 Nine-Tails said:

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That there were teams interested ahead of the giants. I'm skeptical of the Cardinals but you dont think coaches like Shannahan, Gruden, and Arians would be interested in Jones? I think he may have been theri top qb

Shanahan?

Mahomes would be a Niner if he was into these mobile guys.