When's The Last Time The Giants Ran A Play w/2 QB's

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In comment 14474300 Greg from LI said:

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Beat me to it! Yeah Hoss at WR was ringing a bell.

In comment 14474300 Greg from LI said:

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You're right! I swear, you have the memory of an elephant when it comes to the Giants, haha.

I remembered Hostetler caught a pass once, but I didn't remember who threw it or when exactly it happened. Pulled him up on PFR, saw that the game was 1988, looked at the box score, and saw that it was thrown by Simms, not an RB on some kind of trick play.

that Jones was good runner. Over his college career, he averaged 3.3 yards a carry. And not a small sample size- 400 carries. Hostetler was a much better runner.

If Jones is out there running around, we got problems.

But he has no elusiveness at all, which is why he doesn't run for much yardage.

In comment 14474316 Greg from LI said:

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But he has no elusiveness at all, which is why he doesn't run for much yardage.

To say he he has no elusiveness is wrong on many levels.

In comment 14474323 Nine-Tails said:

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In comment 14474316 Greg from LI said: Quote: But he has no elusiveness at all, which is why he doesn't run for much yardage. To say he he has no elusiveness is wrong on many levels.

He actually has run for a lot of yards. You don't run for 186 against UNC without some level of elusiveness. The problem is that with sacks counting as negative running plays, it lowers his YPC significantly.

was he was actually our 5th receiver at the time.

Would probably be better in that role than Jones.

run the ball that would be the biggest mistake in franchise history! That would be worse than Sehorn running back kicks. If the did that the whole staff should be fired immediately!

you have to remember Jones is elusive and can run......when compared to the collapse able Eli.

In comment 14474335 Now Mike in MD said:

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He actually has run for a lot of yards. You don't run for 186 against UNC without some level of elusiveness. The problem is that with sacks counting as negative running plays, it lowers his YPC significantly.

A)UNC's defense was incredibly bad last season
B)How many yards did he run for in the rest of his games?

In comment 14474323 Nine-Tails said:

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To say he he has no elusiveness is wrong on many levels.

Which levels would those be? Name a few, dupe.

In comment 14474380 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14474323 Nine-Tails said: Quote: To say he he has no elusiveness is wrong on many levels. Which levels would those be? Name a few, dupe.

Ok so you resort to name calling cause I called you out on erroneous statement. You said he has no elusiveness at all. Which is wrong, hes not kyler or Lamar. But he is a mobile qb that can extend the play and gain yards.

a number of snaps for a couple of years before Simms got hurt. I vaguely remember that catch.

of that play with Lauletta split out wide.

He's got decent speed. He's not elusive. If you had watched more than some highlights, you'd know that. He'll break off an occasional run when he's got room, but he's not making anyone miss in the open field.

In comment 14474315 HomerJones45 said:

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that Jones was good runner. Over his college career, he averaged 3.3 yards a carry. And not a small sample size- 400 carries. Hostetler was a much better runner. If Jones is out there running around, we got problems.

His statistics in this instance are practically useless because not every run was designed to be that way. He's a QB, not a RB. I'm not saying he's Mike Vick or even Taysom Hill, but his 40 time and 3 cone were plenty indicator enough that he can do some "designed" things here and there to throw off the defense.

Lauletta played receiver with Eli over the center. Literally the last game the team has played...

That's a decent time for a 6'5" pocket passer, but he's not exactly a blazer.

... on this board who fail to realize that in college sacks count as run therefore bringing down his average considerably is astronomical. And when you try to point out that fact they completely ignore it.

He was sacked a total of 85 times for a loss of 520 yards

So if you remove those he rushed 321 times for 1823 yard which is a 5.58 ypc average

For comparison Lamar Jackson rushed for less than 5 ypc last year

In comment 14474357 Jolly Blue Giant said:

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Would probably be better in that role than Jones.

+1. This is the only way I see this happening.

We're not in the race for a Lombardi trophy this year. Those plays can wait.

In comment 14474475 outeiroj said:

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For comparison Lamar Jackson rushed for less than 5 ypc last year

Well, if you're going to go this silly route....Lamar Jackson ran for 4132 yards at Louisville at 6.3 a carry. He was sacked 101 times for 676 yards. If you take those sacks away from his rushing numbers, that's 4808 yards and 8.7 YPC.

He was pretty good at it too.

In comment 14474477 Beer Man said:

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In comment 14474357 Jolly Blue Giant said: Quote: Would probably be better in that role than Jones. +1. This is the only way I see this happening.

Thats possible as well. I don't see Dungey getting past the practice squad though.

Either way, my point was that the offense could get a little more imaginative this season.

to add a new dimension to this offense. Heck, if he becomes a franchise QB, I'd much rather see him sliding or ducking OOB rather than trying to elude a couple defenders and get a few extra yards (while taking extra, unnecessary hits).

Where his speed comes into play is on rollouts or read options if the D gets too aggressive. Think 3rd/4th and short or goal-to-go situations. Barkley lined up in the backfield. Fake handoff to Barkley left (behind Hernandez/Solder). D crashes hard that way because that's the only way you're stopping Barkley there. Jones keeps it and has the speed to get to the edge and pick up the first/TD. Doesn't need to break off a 40 yard run while breaking ankles to be effective.

the last Giant QB to scramble for a first down as well


(i'm exaggerating but you know what i mean)

lauletta was split wide to block against the cowpies last game of the season.

In comment 14474323 Nine-Tails said:

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In comment 14474316 Greg from LI said: Quote: But he has no elusiveness at all, which is why he doesn't run for much yardage. To say he he has no elusiveness is wrong on many levels.

If you watch the film, he has open field vision and separates from DBs, and the 2nd highest shuttle time for a 2019 QB.

What have we exactly got here?

In comment 14474455 Greg from LI said:

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That's a decent time for a 6'5" pocket passer, but he's not exactly a blazer.

He fucked up his 40 at the combine. He's more of a 4.7 guy, but yeh I agree with you. There was posters saying he was going to regularly run for 40 yard tds. Ridiculous. If you look at his UNC rushes terrible angles and slow safeties.

In comment 14474658 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 14474455 Greg from LI said: Quote: That's a decent time for a 6'5" pocket passer, but he's not exactly a blazer. He fucked up his 40 at the combine. He's more of a 4.7 guy, but yeh I agree with you. There was posters saying he was going to regularly run for 40 yard tds. Ridiculous. If you look at his UNC rushes terrible angles and slow safeties.

I dont that anyone is saying tgat or that he's jackson. But to say he's not a "good" or that is a silly idea is not accurate either

passing to the Hefty Lefty in 2006. Was a 20 yard out route that the Hefty ate up.

Against the Rams. Caught a pass on 4th down for what would have been a first but then he fumbled it away. That game was probably the worst performance by our LT led defense. Evert had a field day, gave up 40+ points at home

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requiring offseason surgery?