Mets Lineup
Jeff McNeil LF
Pete Alonso 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Michael Conforto RF
Wilson Ramos C
Todd Frazier 3B
Amed Rosario SS
Juan Lagares CF
Zack Wheeler RHP
Braves Lineup
Ronald Acuna CF
Dansby Swanson SS
Freddie Freeman 1B
Josh Donaldson 3B
Nick Markakis RF
Austin Riley LF
Brian McCann C
Ozzie Albies 2B
Mike Soroka RHP
Things seem to be falling apart a bit. Nimmo seeing a specialist. Syndergaard on the IL. Vargas out yesterday with a leg cramp. Three more losses and we probably could have won every game. Familia might be the most damaging move of the entire offseason in terms of it contributing to actually losses. Probably the final stretch to get above .500 by the all star break/deadline. LGM!
Keuchel makes his season debut on Friday vs the Nationals.
I think Rosario would be the more likely option to move to CF. I haven't been following the Mets minors much this season how is Gimenez doing?
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or SS. Im betting he's passable at both. Get Dom in the lineup every day.
I think Rosario would be the more likely option to move to CF. I haven't been following the Mets minors much this season how is Gimenez doing?
Ive never been a big Gimenez fan. REALLY wished we had traded him to Seattle over Kelenic and he was MUCH more highly rated at the time. Seattle likely would have gone for it and I was a big advocate for it at that time.
Anyways, to your question, he's sucked. lol. 92 wRC+ in AA isn't good but we'll see if he has a better second half. I just don't get moving a bad bat into CF. If your going to do that just go with Lagares/Gomez. At least they can play defensively. Conforto is passable in CF and McNeil is apparently athletic enough to play anywhere.... So I could see moving either of them there to get Dom in a corner. All of it's moot if Nimmo ever gets healthy but who the heck knows... Mets are cursed.
Ive never been a big Gimenez fan. REALLY wished we had traded him to Seattle over Kelenic and he was MUCH more highly rated at the time. Seattle likely would have gone for it and I was a big advocate for it at that time.
Anyways, to your question, he's sucked. lol. 92 wRC+ in AA isn't good but we'll see if he has a better second half. I just don't get moving a bad bat into CF. If your going to do that just go with Lagares/Gomez. At least they can play defensively. Conforto is passable in CF and McNeil is apparently athletic enough to play anywhere.... So I could see moving either of them there to get Dom in a corner. All of it's moot if Nimmo ever gets healthy but who the heck knows... Mets are cursed.
Gimenez was a higher rated prospect but I like Kelenic more and if I was Seattle I would much rather have Kelenic even if he is farther away. I think Seattle felt the same way but that's just my opinion.
As for Gimenez he is still so young for his level. I know that he spent time in AA last season but some players take longer to adjust than others.
Fans have become less patient with young prospects because they see guys like Soto, Acuna Jr., Gleyber Torres, Tatis Jr. etc come up and play well in the majors at such an early age so they expect similar results for others. Those players are an exception to the rule.
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Dom LF
6.) Ramos C
7.) Cano 2B
8.) Lowrie SS
Best possible lineup and we need it.
Those players were 22, 23, and 24 when they made their MLB debuts which is more rational expectations.
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Those players were 22, 23, and 24 when they made their MLB debuts which is more rational expectations.
Oh geez dude I was playing with you..
Guy still pitches like a rookie even though he is 29.
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Those players were 22, 23, and 24 when they made their MLB debuts which is more rational expectations.
Oh geez dude I was playing with you..
I know you were, I was just pointing out that at their ages you expect a player to perform at their level but it's unfair to expect a 20 year old Gimenez to light up AA.
Guy still pitches like a rookie even though he is 29.
Yeah and Ramos can't catch a freaking ball moving runners over... Two runs are scored off a weak hit flair job that was pure luck... Its a combination of a lot of things but the Mets sure aren't helping out their SP this year AT ALL.
Philly is not the team I thought they were. I wonder if Nola is injured because he has not been very good this season.
Mets. Hold our beer.
so there
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because their bullpen has blown way too many leads this season.
Mets. Hold our beer.
Lol, I know you guys have been complaining about the Mets pen but you obviously haven't watched Atlanta's. We have Blevins and Swarzak. I can't complain about Swarzak he has actually been excellent since coming over. The Braves pen has resorted to converting four SP's to relievers, two are in AAA.
oh and a fan on the field apparently, why not, well timed
We did the exact same thing with Avilan. Luckily, he's been injured and away from Mickey.
The Albies hit did tho. And more fantastic BP
I don't understand what they're waiting for. It's time to make a change. Actually that time was weeks ago.
There is no such thing as a LOOGY according to Mickey. Please refrain from using that term.
But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.
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at what point when does the guy whose strength was supposed to be developing pitchers and managing a pitching staff get held accountable? Literally every pitcher he's been given has gotten worse under him, with the exception of JDG's HOF year last year.
I don't understand what they're waiting for. It's time to make a change. Actually that time was weeks ago.
The sooner BVW cans him, the sooner he's the one in the crosshairs. And if the sooner he gets criticized for not getting the wilpons to buck up for Girardi or one of the other proven managers out there. Mickey is operation human shield right now.
But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.
Not going to be around .500 for long.
Wheels are coming off.
I'm not even sure he was all that good as a pitching coach. I think this is one of those "the defensive coordinator under belichek (francona) is irrelevant".
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LOL. The Mets are allergic to signing good players.
But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.
Not going to be around .500 for long.
Wheels are coming off.
Not even sure NYM is 'around' .500 anymore. 5+ is pushing it, 7.5 might be the last time 'around' can even be said
Like saying you're in your mid-30s days before your 38th birthday
I was hoping he would pound guys inside.
What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?
Crafty lefty.
He should have gone into porn with that name.
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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?
He should have gone into porn with that name.
lmao!
Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.
Wheeler maybe sucked the least?
Ramos & Gagnon vying for the top spot
Or maybe Familia given the long term suckitude? Even Mickey had a quick hook (for the Mick anyway)
Honorable mention to the D on the whole
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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.
Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.
I'm not surprised the Wilpons made a shitty hire, the opposite would be the surprise. I'm surprised BVW gave up a lucrative career where he was respected to become a laughing stock.
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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.
Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.
I'm not surprised the Wilpons made a shitty hire, the opposite would be the surprise. I'm surprised BVW gave up a lucrative career where he was respected to become a laughing stock.
I would be raiding the Rays organization for talent evaluators/personnel men. What they do with such little resources is remarkable.
with the wilpons it probably wouldn't have mattered. The only reason we were fortunate enough to get Sandy is bc the Wilpons had to do what MLB said to get the loans. The writing was on the walls that they were back to their old ways when they overruled Sandy bringing on Cherington in favor of bringing Omar back.
that's the bright spot from the top 30 on the farm tonight.
THE bright spot.
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Mets bullpen ERA by year (MLB rank in parentheses):
2019: 5.39 (27th)
2018: 4.96 (28th)
2017: 4.82 (29th)
2016: 3.50 (6th)
2015: 3.40 (10th)
Since the start of the 2017 season, the Mets have produced a 4.98 bullpen ERA, better than only the Tigers (5.05).
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A correction here: the Mets actually rank 28th in MLB, not 27th, with a 5.47 bullpen ERA.
Why has this happened? Many factors, but the biggest is probably their inability to develop quality relievers from within. Relying on free agency to build a bullpen is always precarious.
Sad bc the positional players are actually somewhat exciting and competitive this year.
Outside of degrom, this team has no consistent top end starter. Thor is a headcase who is always hurt. Wheeler is the classic overhype. Too bad Harvey got hurt and had a shit attitude bc thats where it went south.
What happened to all those BP arms Sandy would always acquire at the deadline, are any of those guys going to pan out?
Here are the top 8 teams in SP fwar since 2015. Which one of these franchises isn't like the others...
1. Cleveland
2. Nats
3. LAD
4. Houston
5. Mets
6. Red Sox
7. Cubs
8. Yankees
In 2015-16 the BP was good with Familia + Reed + Blevins but Collins had to overuse them bc the Wilpons are cheap. In 2017 the BP imploded bc Familia got hurt and Reed got traded. In 2017/2018 they did an absolutely awful job trading/developing/signing new talent. Ramos, Swarzak, Bautista, Wahl, Drew Smith, Wahl, etc.
This past offseason BVW "invested" in the BP by making an awful trade but then spent less $ in the BP vs. last year. It's rarely possible to invest less resources in something and get better performance. Instead of spending $20m on Ottavino he signed Lowrie when we already had two 2B and two 3B on the roster.
But nitpicking moves not made may be meaningless because the cherry on top of all of it is that we hired a pitching guru in 2017 who has thus far been more clueless and apathetic than any coach I can remember in NY since Kotite. He is worse than Mcadoo. Diaz was the best reliever in baseball last year now he sucks. Familia has been a top closer for 5 years now he sucks. The definition of insanity is trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Almost every pitcher Mickey has touched has turned to shit. It's long past time to try something else.
What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?
He was referring to the Marlins.
Wheeler maybe sucked the least?
Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.
What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?
I think he was talking to the fans...
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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?
Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.
More excuses for Wheeler, face it, he crumbles under adversity where a real SP hunkers down and gets himself out of jams.
More excuses for Wheeler, face it, he crumbles under adversity where a real SP hunkers down and gets himself out of jams.
That has been true in the past, but I think Wheeler is MUCH better at handling adversity this year. It's tough to come out of an inning unscathed when your teammates blow 3 outs.
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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?
Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.
How should it have been 0-0 when Acuna Jr. lead off the game with a homerun?
How should it have been 0-0 when Acuna Jr. lead off the game with a homerun?
It should have been caught! You're right, totally brain farted that one.
Wheeler is healthy but has been the same as he was prior to his scorching second half. The Mets need to decide if they want to offer him a long term deal or not. If not they need to explore trading him before the deadline. The longer they wait the more options become available when other teams start falling out of the race. As of today you already have Stroman, Bumgarner, Robby Ray, Boyd, Minor, etc. available.
This has to stop because we are in agreement again. The Nationals concern me with that staff and the talent to go on a tear over the second half.
I assume there's some sense of humility in the organization now that you can't just snap your fingers and change the culture. Do you think there's anything chance things meaningfully improve or is it going to be same old story?
optics can be deceiving but outwardly he is 1 of the worst leaders i've ever seen as a manager/head coach in all pro sports. Wishy washy, not accountable, no energy, inconsistent, victimhood. And obviously strategically he's a disaster. I was all for him but honestly would have fired him last year to try to jump start the team with Collins when he was still around. Baseball manager may be a position without much impact but leadership can have an impact in any situation.
Gelbs is good, but thanks for taking some fam time
Nimmo is shut down for a month min
Justin Wilson was expecting a final rehab start but was scratched due to elbow tightness
Wilson scratched with elbow stiffness in his rehab game. LOL. Forget it. Completely lost season.
6-0 NYM
This rotation is still VERY good though. Even with the ball flying out of the ballpark this year at a historic rate by all teams we are still at the top of the heap and its likely to even out even further as a slow start by deGrom, etc. was uncharacteristic.
Bullpen is a mess. It's really Lugo/Diaz right now and nothing else. Gsellman is fine for like a 5th guy but not a top setup guy. Familia is a disaster and for Wilson its a lost season due to injuries. Hopefully some young guys step up. We have some reliever talent in AAA and if we are in it in a few weeks maybe we can make a trade for another setup guy and promote a couple. Gillium Im looking at you.
The Braves have a really nice team. Nearly every single hitter has an OPS of .800 or higher. And the one hitter under that is at .778. Thats crazy. And pretty consistent. The Mets have so many case studys of success to learn from and they still make the same ignorant decisions year after year. Such a dumb franchise.
Yes and so is Teheran unfortunately lol.
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Yes and so is Teheran unfortunately lol.
I always felt like Teheran killed the Mets. Really thought he was going to be a stud pitcher for years.
Dont know why this particular game sticks out in my mind - but there was a game earlier in Teherans career against the Mets where he got pissed at the HP ump and showed the ump up while on the mound. The HP ump didnt call a single strike for the next three batters (and they were definitely strikes) and it screwed the game for the Braves. Ive never seen such a dickish display from an official in my life. HP umps are the most sensitive officials there are in any sport - and consistently the worst lol.
Point is, you have to sprinkle in a few older guys to fill out a roster. Lowrie and Cano were coming off very nice seasons.. Ramos too for that matter. Same with Bruce the year before last year. It just never seems to work out our way. And Nimmo out with a bulging disk in his neck after the year he had last year has nothing to do with age but yet is soooooo Mets.
#Jake is pitching great. The offense is raking. If only we can play every game without using the bullpen and without relying on me to have to make any decisions. #Mets #LGM
Tho after batting it seems he should be going out in the 9th
McNeil goes yard!
What a (annoyingly) good player
Alonso on base SIX times, 4/4
Cubs for 4 games will be tough. Probably going to have to go Font-Vargas-Wheeler-deGrom. Might be able to split that series..
Brutal stretch! Keep fighting!
Dunn #68.
Gimenez #59
Mauricio #83
Anthony Kay #96
Astros have 3 of the top 11.
that's all I noticed, but I have been drinkings, so could have missed something.
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Cubs for 4 games will be tough. Probably going to have to go Font-Vargas-Wheeler-deGrom. Might be able to split that series..
Brutal stretch! Keep fighting!
It depends which Fried shows up. He appears to be wearing down already being that he only thew 77 innings last year and 92 the year before. He is already at 76 IP this year. Unfortunately for us he will likely be moved to the pen soon to limit his innings before being shut down.
Is this a serious statement? Davis is performing at 10% better clip and is 26. Frazier has been average for years and his in his 30s. Hes actually outperforming what he did all of last year so is likely due for even more regression.