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ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 7:29 pm
Mets Lineup

Jeff McNeil LF
Pete Alonso 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Michael Conforto RF
Wilson Ramos C
Todd Frazier 3B
Amed Rosario SS
Juan Lagares CF
Zack Wheeler RHP

Braves Lineup

Ronald Acuna CF
Dansby Swanson SS
Freddie Freeman 1B
Josh Donaldson 3B
Nick Markakis RF
Austin Riley LF
Brian McCann C
Ozzie Albies 2B
Mike Soroka RHP

Things seem to be falling apart a bit. Nimmo seeing a specialist. Syndergaard on the IL. Vargas out yesterday with a leg cramp. Three more losses and we probably could have won every game. Familia might be the most damaging move of the entire offseason in terms of it contributing to actually losses. Probably the final stretch to get above .500 by the all star break/deadline. LGM!
I was hoping to see a  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 7:39 pm : link
Soroka vs deGrom pitchers duel.

Keuchel makes his season debut on Friday vs the Nationals.
For all the talk of Rosario improving  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 7:55 pm : link
His wRC+ is actually LESS this year and he's been good for a whopping 0.0 fWAR this year. Awesome.
I'd consider moving McNeil to CF  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 7:56 pm : link
or SS. Im betting he's passable at both. Get Dom in the lineup every day.
Pete!!  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:04 pm : link
Nice!
Ramos has to be the worst defensive  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:12 pm : link
Catcher Ive ever seen. lol.
Mets defense  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 8:14 pm : link
is offensive
RE: I'd consider moving McNeil to CF  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14474797 ZGiants98 said:
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or SS. Im betting he's passable at both. Get Dom in the lineup every day.

I think Rosario would be the more likely option to move to CF. I haven't been following the Mets minors much this season how is Gimenez doing?
RE: RE: I'd consider moving McNeil to CF  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14474848 Jay on the Island said:
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or SS. Im betting he's passable at both. Get Dom in the lineup every day.


I think Rosario would be the more likely option to move to CF. I haven't been following the Mets minors much this season how is Gimenez doing?


Ive never been a big Gimenez fan. REALLY wished we had traded him to Seattle over Kelenic and he was MUCH more highly rated at the time. Seattle likely would have gone for it and I was a big advocate for it at that time.

Anyways, to your question, he's sucked. lol. 92 wRC+ in AA isn't good but we'll see if he has a better second half. I just don't get moving a bad bat into CF. If your going to do that just go with Lagares/Gomez. At least they can play defensively. Conforto is passable in CF and McNeil is apparently athletic enough to play anywhere.... So I could see moving either of them there to get Dom in a corner. All of it's moot if Nimmo ever gets healthy but who the heck knows... Mets are cursed.
RE: RE: RE: I'd consider moving McNeil to CF  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14474866 ZGiants98 said:
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Ive never been a big Gimenez fan. REALLY wished we had traded him to Seattle over Kelenic and he was MUCH more highly rated at the time. Seattle likely would have gone for it and I was a big advocate for it at that time.

Anyways, to your question, he's sucked. lol. 92 wRC+ in AA isn't good but we'll see if he has a better second half. I just don't get moving a bad bat into CF. If your going to do that just go with Lagares/Gomez. At least they can play defensively. Conforto is passable in CF and McNeil is apparently athletic enough to play anywhere.... So I could see moving either of them there to get Dom in a corner. All of it's moot if Nimmo ever gets healthy but who the heck knows... Mets are cursed.

Gimenez was a higher rated prospect but I like Kelenic more and if I was Seattle I would much rather have Kelenic even if he is farther away. I think Seattle felt the same way but that's just my opinion.

As for Gimenez he is still so young for his level. I know that he spent time in AA last season but some players take longer to adjust than others.

Fans have become less patient with young prospects because they see guys like Soto, Acuna Jr., Gleyber Torres, Tatis Jr. etc come up and play well in the majors at such an early age so they expect similar results for others. Those players are an exception to the rule.
Yes and Alonso, Conforto, Nimmo..  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:38 pm : link
;)
If the Mets ever got Nimmo and Lowrie back...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
I'd go

1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Alonso 1B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Dom LF
6.) Ramos C
7.) Cano 2B
8.) Lowrie SS

Best possible lineup and we need it.
lol...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:45 pm : link
Ramos again...
Ramos can't catch  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 8:49 pm : link
I don't mean 'play the position' as much as just catch 'the ball'
RE: Yes and Alonso, Conforto, Nimmo..  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14474881 ZGiants98 said:
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;)

Those players were 22, 23, and 24 when they made their MLB debuts which is more rational expectations.
RE: RE: Yes and Alonso, Conforto, Nimmo..  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14474907 Jay on the Island said:
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;)


Those players were 22, 23, and 24 when they made their MLB debuts which is more rational expectations.


Oh geez dude I was playing with you..
What the hell was Rosario doing?  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:54 pm : link
Lol. Geeeezzz...
Wheeler being Wheeler  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 8:55 pm : link
Walking the leadoff hitter, falling behind Freeman 2-0.

Guy still pitches like a rookie even though he is 29.

RE: RE: RE: Yes and Alonso, Conforto, Nimmo..  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14474909 ZGiants98 said:
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;)


Those players were 22, 23, and 24 when they made their MLB debuts which is more rational expectations.



Oh geez dude I was playing with you..

I know you were, I was just pointing out that at their ages you expect a player to perform at their level but it's unfair to expect a 20 year old Gimenez to light up AA.
Just looking @ Mets schedule...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/17/2019 8:56 pm : link
3 in Atlanta, 4 @ Wrigley, & then 4 in Philly. This is a big road trip for them.
RE: Wheeler being Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14474913 Vanzetti said:
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Walking the leadoff hitter, falling behind Freeman 2-0.

Guy still pitches like a rookie even though he is 29.


Yeah and Ramos can't catch a freaking ball moving runners over... Two runs are scored off a weak hit flair job that was pure luck... Its a combination of a lot of things but the Mets sure aren't helping out their SP this year AT ALL.
I'm sure you guys hate the Braves as much as ever  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 8:58 pm : link
but this is such a fun team to root for. It's going to be fun watching Acuna Jr., Soroka, Riley, Albies, Fried, and Swanson growing together.
Offense from Cano!  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 8:59 pm : link
.
RE: Just looking @ Mets schedule...  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14474916 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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3 in Atlanta, 4 @ Wrigley, & then 4 in Philly. This is a big road trip for them.

Philly is not the team I thought they were. I wonder if Nola is injured because he has not been very good this season.
Nice swing on 3-0  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:00 pm : link
Wilson. LOL.
The Braves need more runs  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 9:01 pm : link
because their bullpen has blown way too many leads this season.
RE: The Braves need more runs  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14474926 Jay on the Island said:
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because their bullpen has blown way too many leads this season.


Mets. Hold our beer.
Ya. NYM is out front for blowing leads  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 9:07 pm : link
and having a shitty BP

so there
RE: RE: The Braves need more runs  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14474930 ZGiants98 said:
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because their bullpen has blown way too many leads this season.



Mets. Hold our beer.

Lol, I know you guys have been complaining about the Mets pen but you obviously haven't watched Atlanta's. We have Blevins and Swarzak. I can't complain about Swarzak he has actually been excellent since coming over. The Braves pen has resorted to converting four SP's to relievers, two are in AAA.
More grounds crew related circus  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 9:09 pm : link
tarp is half out, but field not covered

oh and a fan on the field apparently, why not, well timed
We also have a manager  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 9:12 pm : link
who openly admitted last year that he doesn't usually consider the batters handedness when picking which reliever to send in the game. Blevins was signed to be a LOOGY but he has actually faced more righties this season and the results are what you would expect.
RE: We also have a manager  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14474941 Jay on the Island said:
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who openly admitted last year that he doesn't usually consider the batters handedness when picking which reliever to send in the game. Blevins was signed to be a LOOGY but he has actually faced more righties this season and the results are what you would expect.


We did the exact same thing with Avilan. Luckily, he's been injured and away from Mickey.
Ok Ramos, we give you that one  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 9:23 pm : link
nice snap throw to get the runner at 1st
I swear Familia might be the biggest bust FA  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:49 pm : link
in Mets history. He is a pure nightmare.
Familia  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 9:50 pm : link
.
Well there goes our pen to blow it completely  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:54 pm : link
out of reach... deGrom needs to give us 8 tomorrow.
Ramos  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 9:55 pm : link
more not catching, tho it didn't bite them

The Albies hit did tho. And more fantastic BP
Is there any reason  
ryanmkeane : 6/17/2019 9:56 pm : link
why Familia is still on the team or keeps being sent out there? I mean honestly - what is the reason? A reporter should ask after the game why he keeps sending him out there. Hes a single A pitcher at this point
Mickey pushing all the right buttons as usual  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 9:56 pm : link
at what point when does the guy whose strength was supposed to be developing pitchers and managing a pitching staff get held accountable? Literally every pitcher he's been given has gotten worse under him, with the exception of JDG's HOF year last year.
RE: Mickey pushing all the right buttons as usual  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14475039 Eric on Li said:
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at what point when does the guy whose strength was supposed to be developing pitchers and managing a pitching staff get held accountable? Literally every pitcher he's been given has gotten worse under him, with the exception of JDG's HOF year last year.

I don't understand what they're waiting for. It's time to make a change. Actually that time was weeks ago.
Gagnon must suck Mickey's dick  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 9:57 pm : link
Brody's too. How he is even on the team is beyond me. You are better off with Familia, who at least might induce a GIDP. If you don't have anybody better than Gags just leave Jeurys in. True, he sucks. But Gagnon is just a career minor laeguer.
looking forward to watching Blevins dominate us in the 8th  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:58 pm : link
and Swarzak to slam the door in the ninth... lol.
Agreed Eric  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 9:58 pm : link
Might just be one of those "better as a coordinator than HC" type thing too
Im sure glad Wilson is getting  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 9:59 pm : link
as much work as possible in in the minors while Gagnon keeps getting run out there....
RE: We also have a manager  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14474941 Jay on the Island said:
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who openly admitted last year that he doesn't usually consider the batters handedness when picking which reliever to send in the game. Blevins was signed to be a LOOGY but he has actually faced more righties this season and the results are what you would expect.


There is no such thing as a LOOGY according to Mickey. Please refrain from using that term.
An out!  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:00 pm : link
almost there...
Familia...3 years/$30 million  
PhiPsi125 : 6/17/2019 10:02 pm : link
LOL. The Mets are allergic to signing good players.

But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.
Wow Mickey...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:02 pm : link
Get somebody up did you? lol. Ya think?
RE: RE: Mickey pushing all the right buttons as usual  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14475043 Jay on the Island said:
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at what point when does the guy whose strength was supposed to be developing pitchers and managing a pitching staff get held accountable? Literally every pitcher he's been given has gotten worse under him, with the exception of JDG's HOF year last year.


I don't understand what they're waiting for. It's time to make a change. Actually that time was weeks ago.


The sooner BVW cans him, the sooner he's the one in the crosshairs. And if the sooner he gets criticized for not getting the wilpons to buck up for Girardi or one of the other proven managers out there. Mickey is operation human shield right now.
Quarter pounders with  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:02 pm : link
cheeeeeese....
RE: Familia...3 years/$30 million  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14475056 PhiPsi125 said:
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LOL. The Mets are allergic to signing good players.

But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.


Not going to be around .500 for long.

Wheels are coming off.
RE: Agreed Eric  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14475048 ChaChing said:
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Might just be one of those "better as a coordinator than HC" type thing too


I'm not even sure he was all that good as a pitching coach. I think this is one of those "the defensive coordinator under belichek (francona) is irrelevant".
What are the chances a guy named pounders  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:05 pm : link
would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?
Blevins vs Alonso  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:06 pm : link
what did I tell you Z.
RE: RE: Familia...3 years/$30 million  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14475060 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14475056 PhiPsi125 said:
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LOL. The Mets are allergic to signing good players.

But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.


Not going to be around .500 for long.

Wheels are coming off.

Not even sure NYM is 'around' .500 anymore. 5+ is pushing it, 7.5 might be the last time 'around' can even be said

Like saying you're in your mid-30s days before your 38th birthday
i mean he had an 8 era coming in so the chances were high  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:07 pm : link
I don't know what else there is to watch with this team. I think Mickey would fire himself right now if he could.
my bad im having math issues  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:07 pm : link
but still it sucks!
I'm shocked  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:08 pm : link
that Alonso didn't homer.
RE: What are the chances a guy named pounders  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14475063 ZGiants98 said:
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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?


I was hoping he would pound guys inside.
Actually the fact that the Nats are about to pass NYM  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:09 pm : link
what more can be said. Nearly in 4th place

What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?
BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:12 pm : link
it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.
I still feel the Nats are dangerous...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:13 pm : link
This division is still a bitch...
Im fairly certain BVW wants to fire The Mouse  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 10:13 pm : link
But he has to get Jeff's approval and the Wilpons hate paying managers.

8.5 back  
Metnut : 6/17/2019 10:14 pm : link
for the Mets. A good second half against an easy schedule is completely meaningless if the team is buried in the standings.
may as well send one of the coaches out to just throw batting practice  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:18 pm : link
this team has quit on mickey in every sense possible.
Haha...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:19 pm : link
If Gagnon is still on the team after this, or if he ever plays in the majors again, BVW and Mickey should be shot.
Where's JD at?  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:19 pm : link
Don't think he's pitched yet this season has he?
remember when they were talking about Gagnon possibly being a starter  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:21 pm : link
last week? good times.
.  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:22 pm : link
Gagnon  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:24 pm : link
using the old "start 'em at 3-0" approach
Jared Lorenzen  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:25 pm : link
coming in to pitch
.  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:27 pm : link
RE: Jared Lorenzen  
latichever : 6/17/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14475098 ChaChing said:
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coming in to pitch


Crafty lefty.
Well...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:29 pm : link
At least this guys is happy...

RE: What are the chances a guy named pounders  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14475063 ZGiants98 said:
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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?

He should have gone into porn with that name.
RE: RE: What are the chances a guy named pounders  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14475103 Jay on the Island said:
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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?


He should have gone into porn with that name.


lmao!
RE: BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
moespree : 6/17/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14475073 Eric on Li said:
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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.


Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.
No need for any one to feel too bad  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:34 pm : link
those who sucked each had a solid showing

Wheeler maybe sucked the least?

Ramos & Gagnon vying for the top spot

Or maybe Familia given the long term suckitude? Even Mickey had a quick hook (for the Mick anyway)

Honorable mention to the D on the whole
RE: RE: BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14475108 moespree said:
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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.



Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.


I'm not surprised the Wilpons made a shitty hire, the opposite would be the surprise. I'm surprised BVW gave up a lucrative career where he was respected to become a laughing stock.
Chain Bloom  
Metnut : 6/17/2019 10:39 pm : link
wanted the job too. Will be one of the biggest what-ifs in Mets history.
RE: RE: RE: BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14475111 Eric on Li said:
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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.



Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.



I'm not surprised the Wilpons made a shitty hire, the opposite would be the surprise. I'm surprised BVW gave up a lucrative career where he was respected to become a laughing stock.

I would be raiding the Rays organization for talent evaluators/personnel men. What they do with such little resources is remarkable.
RE: Chain Bloom  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14475115 Metnut said:
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wanted the job too. Will be one of the biggest what-ifs in Mets history.


with the wilpons it probably wouldn't have mattered. The only reason we were fortunate enough to get Sandy is bc the Wilpons had to do what MLB said to get the loans. The writing was on the walls that they were back to their old ways when they overruled Sandy bringing on Cherington in favor of bringing Omar back.
Freddy Valdez  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 12:43 am : link
walked once tonight. he went 0 for 2, but he walked, oh sorry and he stole a base.

that's the bright spot from the top 30 on the farm tonight.

THE bright spot.
,  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 1:12 am : link

Anthony DiComo
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54m54 minutes ago

Mets bullpen ERA by year (MLB rank in parentheses):

2019: 5.39 (27th)
2018: 4.96 (28th)
2017: 4.82 (29th)
2016: 3.50 (6th)
2015: 3.40 (10th)

Since the start of the 2017 season, the Mets have produced a 4.98 bullpen ERA, better than only the Tigers (5.05).
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Anthony DiComo
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53s54 seconds ago

A correction here: the Mets actually rank 28th in MLB, not 27th, with a 5.47 bullpen ERA.

Why has this happened? Many factors, but the biggest is probably their inability to develop quality relievers from within. Relying on free agency to build a bullpen is always precarious.
The most overhyped starting pitching staff in baseball history  
giantsFC : 6/18/2019 2:20 am : link
Combined w the worst bullpen ever

Sad bc the positional players are actually somewhat exciting and competitive this year.

Outside of degrom, this team has no consistent top end starter. Thor is a headcase who is always hurt. Wheeler is the classic overhype. Too bad Harvey got hurt and had a shit attitude bc thats where it went south.
Man  
figgy2989 : 6/18/2019 7:13 am : link
Just when you think the bullpen can't get any worse...


What happened to all those BP arms Sandy would always acquire at the deadline, are any of those guys going to pan out?
It's happening again  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 9:05 am : link
Ugh
Bring in Girardi already!  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 9:06 am : link
..
the SP isn't overhyped - they've been top of MLB for 5 years now  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2019 9:47 am : link
the BP sucks and the every day lineup has either sucked or been mediocre. But the SP has carried this org to the little success they've had the past several years despite awful defense, mostly bad bullpens, and bad offenses. And that's even with Harvey's career being derailed by injuries.

Here are the top 8 teams in SP fwar since 2015. Which one of these franchises isn't like the others...
1. Cleveland
2. Nats
3. LAD
4. Houston
5. Mets
6. Red Sox
7. Cubs
8. Yankees

In 2015-16 the BP was good with Familia + Reed + Blevins but Collins had to overuse them bc the Wilpons are cheap. In 2017 the BP imploded bc Familia got hurt and Reed got traded. In 2017/2018 they did an absolutely awful job trading/developing/signing new talent. Ramos, Swarzak, Bautista, Wahl, Drew Smith, Wahl, etc.

This past offseason BVW "invested" in the BP by making an awful trade but then spent less $ in the BP vs. last year. It's rarely possible to invest less resources in something and get better performance. Instead of spending $20m on Ottavino he signed Lowrie when we already had two 2B and two 3B on the roster.

But nitpicking moves not made may be meaningless because the cherry on top of all of it is that we hired a pitching guru in 2017 who has thus far been more clueless and apathetic than any coach I can remember in NY since Kotite. He is worse than Mcadoo. Diaz was the best reliever in baseball last year now he sucks. Familia has been a top closer for 5 years now he sucks. The definition of insanity is trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Almost every pitcher Mickey has touched has turned to shit. It's long past time to try something else.
RE: Actually the fact that the Nats are about to pass NYM  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14475071 ChaChing said:
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what more can be said. Nearly in 4th place

What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?


He was referring to the Marlins.
RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14475109 ChaChing said:
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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?


Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.
RE: Actually the fact that the Nats are about to pass NYM  
gmenatlarge : 6/18/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14475071 ChaChing said:
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what more can be said. Nearly in 4th place

What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?


I think he was talking to the fans...
RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
gmenatlarge : 6/18/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14475379 Section331 said:
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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?




Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.


More excuses for Wheeler, face it, he crumbles under adversity where a real SP hunkers down and gets himself out of jams.
RE: RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14475401 gmenatlarge said:
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More excuses for Wheeler, face it, he crumbles under adversity where a real SP hunkers down and gets himself out of jams.


That has been true in the past, but I think Wheeler is MUCH better at handling adversity this year. It's tough to come out of an inning unscathed when your teammates blow 3 outs.
RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14475379 Section331 said:
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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?




Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.

How should it have been 0-0 when Acuna Jr. lead off the game with a homerun?
When you consider how cheap the starting  
Metnut : 6/18/2019 10:34 am : link
rotation has been, it's a monumental failure from top to bottom how many losing seasons (and seasons over before 4th of july) that his organization has had.
RE: RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14475428 Jay on the Island said:
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How should it have been 0-0 when Acuna Jr. lead off the game with a homerun?


It should have been caught! You're right, totally brain farted that one.
I think the fans had unrealistic expectations for the rotation  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 10:50 am : link
deGrom had a truly historic season last year plus Wheeler was just as good during the second half. Many fans assumed that both would continue to perform at those unsustainable levels.

Wheeler is healthy but has been the same as he was prior to his scorching second half. The Mets need to decide if they want to offer him a long term deal or not. If not they need to explore trading him before the deadline. The longer they wait the more options become available when other teams start falling out of the race. As of today you already have Stroman, Bumgarner, Robby Ray, Boyd, Minor, etc. available.
RE: I still feel the Nats are dangerous...  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14475074 ZGiants98 said:
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This division is still a bitch...

This has to stop because we are in agreement again. The Nationals concern me with that staff and the talent to go on a tear over the second half.
'what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error?'  
schabadoo : 6/18/2019 12:19 pm : link
I wonder that too. Didn't they give an inside the park HR on the ball that Cespedes dropped in the WS?
We just CANT  
Shecky : 6/18/2019 6:10 pm : link
Ever have good things. EVER!!
RE: We just CANT  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14475968 Shecky said:
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Ever have good things. EVER!!


I assume there's some sense of humility in the organization now that you can't just snap your fingers and change the culture. Do you think there's anything chance things meaningfully improve or is it going to be same old story?
Lots of frustration  
Shecky : 6/18/2019 7:37 pm : link
Mickey is just not the right guy for this clubhouse, and thats an understatement. I think hed be fine in a veteran heavy clubhouse, old Red Sox for example. This group needs more energy, needs to believe in a leader.
RE: Lots of frustration  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14476046 Shecky said:
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Mickey is just not the right guy for this clubhouse, and thats an understatement. I think hed be fine in a veteran heavy clubhouse, old Red Sox for example. This group needs more energy, needs to believe in a leader.


optics can be deceiving but outwardly he is 1 of the worst leaders i've ever seen as a manager/head coach in all pro sports. Wishy washy, not accountable, no energy, inconsistent, victimhood. And obviously strategically he's a disaster. I was all for him but honestly would have fired him last year to try to jump start the team with Collins when he was still around. Baseball manager may be a position without much impact but leadership can have an impact in any situation.
In between the torture of watching Mets baseball...  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 8:08 pm : link
Justine Ward



Gelbs is good, but thanks for taking some fam time
Continuing w/ the torture, not sure if this was known already but SNY  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 8:25 pm : link
crew saying:

Nimmo is shut down for a month min

Justin Wilson was expecting a final rehab start but was scratched due to elbow tightness
Would be excited about 4-0 but it's just the 3rd  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 8:26 pm : link
and a JDG start so STILL have to temper expectations
deGrom looks filthy tonight...  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 8:39 pm : link
Have to make this stand up.

Wilson scratched with elbow stiffness in his rehab game. LOL. Forget it. Completely lost season.
Alonso!  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 8:44 pm : link
Whoo!
Alonso HR #24  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 8:46 pm : link
2 more runs

6-0 NYM
Frazier's done a commendable job this year  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 8:50 pm : link
But why is this team so petrified to try to do better? Davis is outhitting him by a mile and outside of a rocky start defensively looked better as the year went on. Play the kid at 3B! Same with shit ass Gomez. Play McNeil or Conforto in CF and get Dom's bat in the lineup. Do something though. Cant work with half a lineup every night. Thats why its so frustrating for me. We actually DID have some depth this year. USE IT.

This rotation is still VERY good though. Even with the ball flying out of the ballpark this year at a historic rate by all teams we are still at the top of the heap and its likely to even out even further as a slow start by deGrom, etc. was uncharacteristic.

Bullpen is a mess. It's really Lugo/Diaz right now and nothing else. Gsellman is fine for like a 5th guy but not a top setup guy. Familia is a disaster and for Wilson its a lost season due to injuries. Hopefully some young guys step up. We have some reliever talent in AAA and if we are in it in a few weeks maybe we can make a trade for another setup guy and promote a couple. Gillium Im looking at you.
JDG looking like the 2018 model  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 8:55 pm : link
today
The starting rotation started out rough, really rough, but I feel like  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2019 9:13 pm : link
theyve stabilized a bit (for the most part). Still underperforming but not bad enough that cant be overcome. The BP has absolutely destroyed any shot we had to be competitive this season. Abhorrently bad. The offense is okay but, AGAIN, half our lineup are zeros. Cano is one our worst players (shocker, told you so - great trade BVW). And I guess Lowries septum has deviated again. I was looking forward to the 35 year old sudden HoF player could do.

The Braves have a really nice team. Nearly every single hitter has an OPS of .800 or higher. And the one hitter under that is at .778. Thats crazy. And pretty consistent. The Mets have so many case studys of success to learn from and they still make the same ignorant decisions year after year. Such a dumb franchise.
RE: JDG looking like the 2018 model  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 9:22 pm : link
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today

Yes and so is Teheran unfortunately lol.
RE: RE: JDG looking like the 2018 model  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14476167 Jay on the Island said:
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Yes and so is Teheran unfortunately lol.


I always felt like Teheran killed the Mets. Really thought he was going to be a stud pitcher for years.

Dont know why this particular game sticks out in my mind - but there was a game earlier in Teherans career against the Mets where he got pissed at the HP ump and showed the ump up while on the mound. The HP ump didnt call a single strike for the next three batters (and they were definitely strikes) and it screwed the game for the Braves. Ive never seen such a dickish display from an official in my life. HP umps are the most sensitive officials there are in any sport - and consistently the worst lol.
Yeah may not be a Paul DeJong, but he's a Met killer  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 9:46 pm : link
i think they said an ERA just over 2 iirc
This ump has an intense strike call  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 10:02 pm : link
not only delayed, loud and long, but with a very accusatory if not menacing finger point
The Braves have a nice lineup  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 10:06 pm : link
of young players obviously but the Mets really should have too. Nimmo, Conforto, McNeil, Alonso, Dom, Rosario, and maybe even Davis could be a fine nucleus. All teams have to sprinkle in a few vets. Donaldson is exactly the type of player we would have signed and he would have been a disaster here. The guy has been an injured mess for years (and for the record I did want the Mets to sign them).

Point is, you have to sprinkle in a few older guys to fill out a roster. Lowrie and Cano were coming off very nice seasons.. Ramos too for that matter. Same with Bruce the year before last year. It just never seems to work out our way. And Nimmo out with a bulging disk in his neck after the year he had last year has nothing to do with age but yet is soooooo Mets.
This is pretty funny...  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 10:13 pm : link
CluelessMickeyC

#Jake is pitching great. The offense is raking. If only we can play every game without using the bullpen and without relying on me to have to make any decisions. #Mets #LGM
Funny, but didn't they just say the Mick was about to pull JDG  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 10:18 pm : link
prior to last inning? SNY was conjecturing that's what was going on fwiw

Tho after batting it seems he should be going out in the 9th

McNeil goes yard!
Can someone clue me in  
SJGiant : 6/18/2019 10:20 pm : link
As to why Diaz is warming up in a blowout game?
haha....  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 10:25 pm : link
Of course Freeman tells deGrom to fuck himself.
FU Freddie  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 10:26 pm : link
FU

What a (annoyingly) good player
Whatever, just get JDG his W  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 10:27 pm : link
that's a huge achievement for this team
Seriously  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 10:29 pm : link
quit it
Mets W  
ChaChing : 6/18/2019 10:36 pm : link
JDG sick save last two ABs

Alonso on base SIX times, 4/4
Ill give the Mets the slide edge tomorrow  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2019 10:44 pm : link
Matz VS Fried. Win tomorrow and we still have a pulse.

Cubs for 4 games will be tough. Probably going to have to go Font-Vargas-Wheeler-deGrom. Might be able to split that series..

Brutal stretch! Keep fighting!
'Davis is outhitting him by a mile'  
schabadoo : 6/18/2019 11:38 pm : link
Davis and Frazier are like #5-6 on the team for OPS YTD, which includes Frazier's slow start coming back from injury.
Kelenic  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 2:12 am : link
#25 in MLB's latest top 100 prospects.

Dunn #68.

Gimenez #59
Mauricio #83
Anthony Kay #96

Astros have 3 of the top 11.

that's all I noticed, but I have been drinkings, so could have missed something.
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RE: Ill give the Mets the slide edge tomorrow  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14476273 ZGiants98 said:
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Matz VS Fried. Win tomorrow and we still have a pulse.

Cubs for 4 games will be tough. Probably going to have to go Font-Vargas-Wheeler-deGrom. Might be able to split that series..

Brutal stretch! Keep fighting!

It depends which Fried shows up. He appears to be wearing down already being that he only thew 77 innings last year and 92 the year before. He is already at 76 IP this year. Unfortunately for us he will likely be moved to the pen soon to limit his innings before being shut down.
That was quite a night for Alonso even considering the season he's  
Ira : 6/19/2019 9:47 am : link
been having. I've been waiting to see if pitchers caught on to him, but that doesn't seem to be the case. He's currently 2nd in home runs and 8th in OPS in the majors.
RE: 'Davis is outhitting him by a mile'  
ZGiants98 : 6/19/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14476346 schabadoo said:
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Davis and Frazier are like #5-6 on the team for OPS YTD, which includes Frazier's slow start coming back from injury.


Is this a serious statement? Davis is performing at 10% better clip and is 26. Frazier has been average for years and his in his 30s. Hes actually outperforming what he did all of last year so is likely due for even more regression.
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