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ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 7:29 pm
Mets Lineup

Jeff McNeil – LF
Pete Alonso – 1B
Robinson Cano – 2B
Michael Conforto – RF
Wilson Ramos – C
Todd Frazier – 3B
Amed Rosario – SS
Juan Lagares – CF
Zack Wheeler – RHP

Braves Lineup

Ronald Acuna – CF
Dansby Swanson – SS
Freddie Freeman – 1B
Josh Donaldson – 3B
Nick Markakis – RF
Austin Riley – LF
Brian McCann – C
Ozzie Albies – 2B
Mike Soroka – RHP

Things seem to be falling apart a bit. Nimmo seeing a specialist. Syndergaard on the IL. Vargas out yesterday with a leg cramp. Three more losses and we probably could have won every game. Familia might be the most damaging move of the entire offseason in terms of it contributing to actually losses. Probably the final stretch to get above .500 by the all star break/deadline. LGM!
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RE: Agreed Eric  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14475048 ChaChing said:
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Might just be one of those "better as a coordinator than HC" type thing too


I'm not even sure he was all that good as a pitching coach. I think this is one of those "the defensive coordinator under belichek (francona) is irrelevant".
What are the chances a guy named pounders  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:05 pm : link
would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?
Blevins vs Alonso  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:06 pm : link
what did I tell you Z.
RE: RE: Familia...3 years/$30 million  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14475060 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14475056 PhiPsi125 said:
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LOL. The Mets are allergic to signing good players.

But hey, as long as we hover around .500 then the Wilpons are cool with it.


Not going to be around .500 for long.

Wheels are coming off.

Not even sure NYM is 'around' .500 anymore. 5+ is pushing it, 7.5 might be the last time 'around' can even be said

Like saying you're in your mid-30s days before your 38th birthday
i mean he had an 8 era coming in so the chances were high  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:07 pm : link
I don't know what else there is to watch with this team. I think Mickey would fire himself right now if he could.
my bad im having math issues  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:07 pm : link
but still it sucks!
I'm shocked  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:08 pm : link
that Alonso didn't homer.
RE: What are the chances a guy named pounders  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14475063 ZGiants98 said:
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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?


I was hoping he would pound guys inside.
Actually the fact that the Nats are about to pass NYM  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:09 pm : link
what more can be said. Nearly in 4th place

What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?
BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:12 pm : link
it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.
I still feel the Nats are dangerous...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:13 pm : link
This division is still a bitch...
Im fairly certain BVW wants to fire The Mouse  
Vanzetti : 6/17/2019 10:13 pm : link
But he has to get Jeff's approval and the Wilpons hate paying managers.

8.5 back  
Metnut : 6/17/2019 10:14 pm : link
for the Mets. A good second half against an easy schedule is completely meaningless if the team is buried in the standings.
may as well send one of the coaches out to just throw batting practice  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:18 pm : link
this team has quit on mickey in every sense possible.
Haha...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:19 pm : link
If Gagnon is still on the team after this, or if he ever plays in the majors again, BVW and Mickey should be shot.
Where's JD at?  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:19 pm : link
Don't think he's pitched yet this season has he?
remember when they were talking about Gagnon possibly being a starter  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:21 pm : link
last week? good times.
.  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:22 pm : link
Gagnon  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:24 pm : link
using the old "start 'em at 3-0" approach
Jared Lorenzen  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:25 pm : link
coming in to pitch
.  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:27 pm : link
RE: Jared Lorenzen  
latichever : 6/17/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14475098 ChaChing said:
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coming in to pitch


Crafty lefty.
Well...  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:29 pm : link
At least this guys is happy...

RE: What are the chances a guy named pounders  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14475063 ZGiants98 said:
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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?

He should have gone into porn with that name.
RE: RE: What are the chances a guy named pounders  
ZGiants98 : 6/17/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14475103 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14475063 ZGiants98 said:


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would not only be a fat fuck but also get pounded nightly?


He should have gone into porn with that name.


lmao!
RE: BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
moespree : 6/17/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14475073 Eric on Li said:
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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.


Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.
No need for any one to feel too bad  
ChaChing : 6/17/2019 10:34 pm : link
those who sucked each had a solid showing

Wheeler maybe sucked the least?

Ramos & Gagnon vying for the top spot

Or maybe Familia given the long term suckitude? Even Mickey had a quick hook (for the Mick anyway)

Honorable mention to the D on the whole
RE: RE: BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14475108 moespree said:
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In comment 14475073 Eric on Li said:


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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.



Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.


I'm not surprised the Wilpons made a shitty hire, the opposite would be the surprise. I'm surprised BVW gave up a lucrative career where he was respected to become a laughing stock.
Chain Bloom  
Metnut : 6/17/2019 10:39 pm : link
wanted the job too. Will be one of the biggest what-ifs in Mets history.
RE: RE: RE: BVW was such a typical Wilpon hire  
Jay on the Island : 6/17/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14475111 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14475073 Eric on Li said:


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it's amazing to me that anyone with a halfway credible reputation would be willing to work for the Wilpons, let alone someone who had a really great career like BVW.



Don't they live on the same street and golf together? I think I remember reading that when he was hired. That Jeff basically hired his neighbor and golf partner.



I'm not surprised the Wilpons made a shitty hire, the opposite would be the surprise. I'm surprised BVW gave up a lucrative career where he was respected to become a laughing stock.

I would be raiding the Rays organization for talent evaluators/personnel men. What they do with such little resources is remarkable.
RE: Chain Bloom  
Eric on Li : 6/17/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14475115 Metnut said:
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wanted the job too. Will be one of the biggest what-ifs in Mets history.


with the wilpons it probably wouldn't have mattered. The only reason we were fortunate enough to get Sandy is bc the Wilpons had to do what MLB said to get the loans. The writing was on the walls that they were back to their old ways when they overruled Sandy bringing on Cherington in favor of bringing Omar back.
Freddy Valdez  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 12:43 am : link
walked once tonight. he went 0 for 2, but he walked, oh sorry and he stole a base.

that's the bright spot from the top 30 on the farm tonight.

THE bright spot.
,  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 1:12 am : link

Anthony DiComo
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Mets bullpen ERA by year (MLB rank in parentheses):

2019: 5.39 (27th)
2018: 4.96 (28th)
2017: 4.82 (29th)
2016: 3.50 (6th)
2015: 3.40 (10th)

Since the start of the 2017 season, the Mets have produced a 4.98 bullpen ERA, better than only the Tigers (5.05).
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Anthony DiComo
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A correction here: the Mets actually rank 28th in MLB, not 27th, with a 5.47 bullpen ERA.

Why has this happened? Many factors, but the biggest is probably their inability to develop quality relievers from within. Relying on free agency to build a bullpen is always precarious.
The most overhyped starting pitching staff in baseball history  
giantsFC : 6/18/2019 2:20 am : link
Combined w the worst bullpen ever

Sad bc the positional players are actually somewhat exciting and competitive this year.

Outside of degrom, this team has no consistent top end starter. Thor is a headcase who is always hurt. Wheeler is the classic overhype. Too bad Harvey got hurt and had a shit attitude bc that’s where it went south.
Man  
figgy2989 : 6/18/2019 7:13 am : link
Just when you think the bullpen can't get any worse...


What happened to all those BP arms Sandy would always acquire at the deadline, are any of those guys going to pan out?
It's happening again  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 9:05 am : link
Ugh
Bring in Girardi already!  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 9:06 am : link
..
the SP isn't overhyped - they've been top of MLB for 5 years now  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2019 9:47 am : link
the BP sucks and the every day lineup has either sucked or been mediocre. But the SP has carried this org to the little success they've had the past several years despite awful defense, mostly bad bullpens, and bad offenses. And that's even with Harvey's career being derailed by injuries.

Here are the top 8 teams in SP fwar since 2015. Which one of these franchises isn't like the others...
1. Cleveland
2. Nats
3. LAD
4. Houston
5. Mets
6. Red Sox
7. Cubs
8. Yankees

In 2015-16 the BP was good with Familia + Reed + Blevins but Collins had to overuse them bc the Wilpons are cheap. In 2017 the BP imploded bc Familia got hurt and Reed got traded. In 2017/2018 they did an absolutely awful job trading/developing/signing new talent. Ramos, Swarzak, Bautista, Wahl, Drew Smith, Wahl, etc.

This past offseason BVW "invested" in the BP by making an awful trade but then spent less $ in the BP vs. last year. It's rarely possible to invest less resources in something and get better performance. Instead of spending $20m on Ottavino he signed Lowrie when we already had two 2B and two 3B on the roster.

But nitpicking moves not made may be meaningless because the cherry on top of all of it is that we hired a pitching guru in 2017 who has thus far been more clueless and apathetic than any coach I can remember in NY since Kotite. He is worse than Mcadoo. Diaz was the best reliever in baseball last year now he sucks. Familia has been a top closer for 5 years now he sucks. The definition of insanity is trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Almost every pitcher Mickey has touched has turned to shit. It's long past time to try something else.
RE: Actually the fact that the Nats are about to pass NYM  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14475071 ChaChing said:
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what more can be said. Nearly in 4th place

What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?


He was referring to the Marlins.
RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14475109 ChaChing said:
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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?


Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.
RE: Actually the fact that the Nats are about to pass NYM  
gmenatlarge : 6/18/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14475071 ChaChing said:
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what more can be said. Nearly in 4th place

What did Brodie say, "Come get us" was it?


I think he was talking to the fans...
RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
gmenatlarge : 6/18/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14475379 Section331 said:
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In comment 14475109 ChaChing said:


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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?




Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.


More excuses for Wheeler, face it, he crumbles under adversity where a real SP hunkers down and gets himself out of jams.
RE: RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14475401 gmenatlarge said:
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More excuses for Wheeler, face it, he crumbles under adversity where a real SP hunkers down and gets himself out of jams.


That has been true in the past, but I think Wheeler is MUCH better at handling adversity this year. It's tough to come out of an inning unscathed when your teammates blow 3 outs.
RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14475379 Section331 said:
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In comment 14475109 ChaChing said:


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Wheeler maybe sucked the least?




Wheeler got a bit of a raw deal. Came out of the 1st down 2-0, should have been 0-0. Alonso butchered a DP GB, and McNeil dropped a catchable ball. Which brings me to one of my biggest pet peeves about MLB scoring, what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error? That ball McNeil butchered wasn't that tough of a catch, he had his glove on the ball and dropped it. How that isn't an E-7 is beyond me.

How should it have been 0-0 when Acuna Jr. lead off the game with a homerun?
When you consider how cheap the starting  
Metnut : 6/18/2019 10:34 am : link
rotation has been, it's a monumental failure from top to bottom how many losing seasons (and seasons over before 4th of july) that his organization has had.
RE: RE: RE: No need for any one to feel too bad  
Section331 : 6/18/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14475428 Jay on the Island said:
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How should it have been 0-0 when Acuna Jr. lead off the game with a homerun?


It should have been caught! You're right, totally brain farted that one.
I think the fans had unrealistic expectations for the rotation  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 10:50 am : link
deGrom had a truly historic season last year plus Wheeler was just as good during the second half. Many fans assumed that both would continue to perform at those unsustainable levels.

Wheeler is healthy but has been the same as he was prior to his scorching second half. The Mets need to decide if they want to offer him a long term deal or not. If not they need to explore trading him before the deadline. The longer they wait the more options become available when other teams start falling out of the race. As of today you already have Stroman, Bumgarner, Robby Ray, Boyd, Minor, etc. available.
RE: I still feel the Nats are dangerous...  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14475074 ZGiants98 said:
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This division is still a bitch...

This has to stop because we are in agreement again. The Nationals concern me with that staff and the talent to go on a tear over the second half.
'what the hell does an OF need to do to get charged with an error?'  
schabadoo : 6/18/2019 12:19 pm : link
I wonder that too. Didn't they give an inside the park HR on the ball that Cespedes dropped in the WS?
We just CANT  
Shecky : 6/18/2019 6:10 pm : link
Ever have good things. EVER!!
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