Solid defensive asset acquired. With this move I do expect they'll engineer one buyout probably Smith or try damn hard to pair an asset and find a trade partner for Staal.
the only downside of course is we dont have an extension in place, but I guess if they can't come to terms this season he's got tremendous trade value at the deadline (of course, we would rather he re-sign)
Well done by Gorton. But I still don't want to buy anyone out please.
The Winnipeg Jets really just traded a legit 25 year old top pairing defenseman for Neal Pionk and 26 games of Kevin Hayes
Sounds as if Trouba was refusing to extend outright with teams trying to trade for him and plans fully to go to FA next offseason. Jets leverage was very low. Rangers paid a rental price for one year.
If they sign him long term, good trade but hes apparently testing FA next year without question. He could get 9 -10m a year.
Had they waited they certainly would have gotten a better offer either by the draft or during. The Devils and Islanders were hot for him as well. The Devils have plenty of ammo that could have beaten that offer easily.
I hate to say it but that was a phenomenal trade for the Rangers.
The talent is accumulating and trouba is only 25. Why wouldn't he give a fair hearing to the Rangers about a long term deal? It's a NY original six franchise headed in the right direction with the #2 pick in hand. He'll be here a year and it's a first class organization with a lot of perks in and around town. I'd say it's at least 50/50 they lock him up even if he dips a toe into FA.
going after a rental player? Ive heard hes very likely to head to Detroit once hes a UFA?
If Rangers can extend him, its a really nice price.
If he doesnt sign by February theyll flip him for the first round pick back. It only cost them Pionk to make a run here - thats a no brainer. Good start for the JD - Gorton duo. ...i just dont want to read we are paying Girardi and Staal off our cap for the next four years now.
Rangers need to liquidate more D's both for Cap room
If hes balking at resigning then chances are he wasn't reupping with us. Nobody does. For that price though the Rangers did a great job. You guys probably have a better shot at convincing him to re-up
and so that guys like K'Andre and Nils don't refuse to sign when the time comes.
All the bad contracts, including frankly Hank, expire in two years. And buyouts next summer might make more sense than dead money for four years... I think we have to pay 3.6 mil on Girardi this year, for example. Its not a wise move for a team thats most likely not making the postseason this upcoming year.
great deal for Rags - does this take them out on Panarin due to cap?
the athletic had them projected to have about $11m in space prior to this deal so it would seem like there'd need to be a lot of dumping to get in on Panarin.
RE: Now I get why the Devs didn't pull the trigger
If hes balking at resigning then chances are he wasn't reupping with us. Nobody does. For that price though the Rangers did a great job. You guys probably have a better shot at convincing him to re-up
If that's the case then I am glad we didn't make the move but the Devils have the most cap space in the league and they could have made him a huge offer.
RE: Now I get why the Devs didn't pull the trigger
If hes balking at resigning then chances are he wasn't reupping with us. Nobody does. For that price though the Rangers did a great job. You guys probably have a better shot at convincing him to re-up
Stu, if the Devils re-sign Hall hopefully they will become more attractive to free agents with Hall, Hughes, Hischier, Palmieri, and Ty Smith.
But I agree that buyouts would be dumb. Are the Rangers going to win a championship this year? If not, why would you do a buyout and take away capspace from subsequent years in which presumably the Rangers would be a contender.
Rangers were NOT given permission to talk to or negotiate with Trouba.....
That's probably another reason why price was low. It's also somewhat irrelevant since--as others have said--he can likely be moved for a first at the deadline.
Trouba also has some issues so Im glad Rangers will get to see him up close before inking him to a huge deal.
Also, keep in mind that this means the Jets did not think he was worth a big contract.
Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Shattenkirk has the highest salary on the team outside of Hank and he really isn't that good. I'd much rather have that cap space back.
I don't really mind just riding it out with Staal. There's nothing we can really do with Smith. He has no trade value. We can basically just bury him in HFD and that's about it.
Shatty sucks in our zone, he wasn't a good point producer last year, and the cost:value ratio on him is probably one of the worst on the entire team. He was getting healthy scratched like a week into the season.
Just a terrible acquisition and contract. I can't wait until he's gone.
Rangers were NOT given permission to talk to or negotiate with Trouba.....
That's probably another reason why price was low. It's also somewhat irrelevant since--as others have said--he can likely be moved for a first at the deadline.
Trouba also has some issues so Im glad Rangers will get to see him up close before inking him to a huge deal.
Also, keep in mind that this means the Jets did not think he was worth a big contract.
I think it's more that Trouba didn't want to be in Winnipeg. He expressed as much. Hell he requested a trade a couple of years ago before settling on a bridge deal.
Also nice to hear that Dallas and Zuccarelo have...
Trouba is, at worst, a top-4 defenseman RIGHT NOW at age 25.
Pionk was terrible last year. He was worse than Shattenkirk and even Staal. And 20th overall...well, it was your pick to begin with, Winnipeg. And frankly, our farm system is good enough that we don't necessarily need the 20th overall pick. Would it have been useful? Of course, but we're getting two blue chip scoring wingers in Kakko and Kravtsov, we have a few young Cs who can develop into solid players in Lias, Chytil and Howden, we are loaded with young defense (as I posted above) and we have our presumable goalie in the future in the Mighty Igor.
I didn't like what we got for Zucc, but if he does indeed re-sign...the rich will get richer.
Trouba and Brendan Lemieux (who was JUST what we needed) for a month of Kevin Hayes and Neal Pionk.
Shattenkirk has the highest salary on the team outside of Hank and he really isn't that good. I'd much rather have that cap space back.
I don't really mind just riding it out with Staal. There's nothing we can really do with Smith. He has no trade value. We can basically just bury him in HFD and that's about it.
Shatty sucks in our zone, he wasn't a good point producer last year, and the cost:value ratio on him is probably one of the worst on the entire team. He was getting healthy scratched like a week into the season.
Just a terrible acquisition and contract. I can't wait until he's gone.
Boy am I glad you guys won that bidding war over the Devs 2 years ago
I like Pionk's future more than Shattenkirk, but Pionk is just so inconsistent I'd have traded him too in this trade in a heart beat. People keep try to let Shattenkirk live off his "puck moving defenseman" reputation, but when I watch him I don't see that anymore. Blues traded him at the right time.
No idea why Trouba wouldn't test free agency though, he's 26 years old before the end of next season, and can play anywhere. Born in Michigan, played for University of Michigan, I think he's said he'd like to play for the Red Wings or at least it's been rumored he wants to play closer to home, so I don't know he'll fall for Anakim's "arrogance". The only advantage his current team has is they can go longer term on the contract (8 years max vs 7)
but who knows, different things motivate different people.
What I like now is how the US seems to be dominating the blue line again, like the Leetch, Housley, Chelios, Hatcher days or at least keeping up with the Canadians. Seemed like for a while no American defenseman were doing great.
Jones, Werenski, Trouba, Gostibehere, Hanifin, McAvoy, Carlson, Byufglien, Carlo, Slavin, Grzlcyk, Faulk, Fowler, Skjei, McDonagh, etc. a good core of upper tier young-ish D (well not Byufglien and some of the later ones)
RE: Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
are best buds. May help influence him to sign long term with the Rangers. On top of that Gorton indicated on his conference call last night that he had spoken to Trouba and his agent post-trade and was optimistic an extension could be made.
RE: RE: Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
RE: RE: RE: Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
Yeah, the Red Wings are a flash in the pan, also-ran team. Detroit is sometimes called Hockey Town for a reason.
He's getting paid no matter what, unless he suffers a catastrophic injury.
I'm not saying he won't sign in NY, but at this point, he should probably test free agency.
RE: RE: RE: Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
I hate this take. The rangers havent won a cup since 94. Can we stop pretending that were some high and mighty holier than thou organization.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
I hate this take. The rangers havent won a cup since 94. Can we stop pretending that were some high and mighty holier than thou organization.
Except we are. Players have always wanted to come here. Players have taken LESS to come here. Yeah, the success on the ice hasn't been there, but there's no denying that the New York Rangers are one of the most popular destinations for hockey players. We see it time and time again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not to sound arrogant, but I can't see how Trouba doesn't re-sign here
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
Yeah, the Red Wings are a flash in the pan, also-ran team. Detroit is sometimes called Hockey Town for a reason.
He's getting paid no matter what, unless he suffers a catastrophic injury.
I'm not saying he won't sign in NY, but at this point, he should probably test free agency.
Never said they were (although Detroit is a hellhole). Red Wings are an iconic franchise too.
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NYR land a high quality Dman in Trouba and likely not done yet with guys like Kreider, Vesey, Namestnikov and Buchnevich potentially in play. Could be an interesting week/wknd for the Rangers.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
I hate this take. The rangers havent won a cup since 94. Can we stop pretending that were some high and mighty holier than thou organization.
Except we are. Players have always wanted to come here. Players have taken LESS to come here. Yeah, the success on the ice hasn't been there, but there's no denying that the New York Rangers are one of the most popular destinations for hockey players. We see it time and time again.
Haha - as one of the most popular destinations it's sad how many cups the Rangers have won yet the Ranger fans act like they're the Yankees
But Im super excited for a new hockey opportunity and a new place. Its different, so thats something youre naturally excited about. I havent thought too much into it, but I know a couple of guys there. You know about the city and playing at MSG on the road, for me, was one of my favourite spots to play. Just with the history and the crowd and the buzz, its just a whole new world. Im excited for new avenues of life and new experiences.
As for his future, Trouba wasnt ready to discuss whether he was open to signing a long-term deal with the Rangers.
We havent really worried about it. Im just trying to get through the night and enjoy it and everything thats going on, Trouba said. Im sure well deal with it in the morning and start those talks in the morning.
If they didn't have a very good chance of signing him.
It's possible - even if he's a 1 year rental it's still a good price. They would probably be able to get a similar return in February if they don't think he's going to sign
The Rangers did not get permission to speak with Trouba and his agent, Kurt Overhardt, prior to the trade. But Gorton, who has since spoken with Trouba and Overhardt, and will again in the next few days, has a pretty good idea of what the contract numbers will look like.
I have an idea what I think it will take, but its my ballpark, Gorton said. I havent talked to those guys about numbers. Weve done our research to factor in what we think it might be and what a player like thats worth. So well move forward like that with complete confidence that we can get a deal done. Gorton - ( New Window )
if he and Trouba hit it off, that would be a positive. Quinn has a very strong presence.
I really don't care for Anakim's take either, JonC's point being near top of the list. Just look how successful that has been for the other Manhattan winter sports franchise
I share your optimism that Trouba will re-sign. Hopefully it happens.
More generally, probably a better look to quietly enjoy the fact that players have indeed seemed to view NYR as a preferred destination, and more importantly hope that it remains that way.
Beyond that, the bombast is understandably grating to other fans who might participate in the discussion. (Of course, if tweaking them is a goal, you have your finger on the right button).
Facts are facts, but propping up the Rangers over the Red Wings, I think misses the mark when the player is from Michigan.
And it doesn't matter if Detroit is a hell hole, I'm guessing these guys with homes in Michigan, don't raise their kids in Detroit.
Same thing I imagine is true in Boston, just look at the post-loss interviews, all those guys had tears in their eyes and said they couldn't imagine playing anywhere else (the local guys or guys who played college there like Coyle, Acciari, Krug, etc.)
I was cringing at it myself as I ready through his comments, and I'm a NYR fan.
Yeah, definitely cringe worthy, but it's not new. He says that all the time. And sometimes he's right. NY is a "destination".
No one wants to play in MTL right now. taxes, exchange rate pressure. the only ones who want to play there are the natives like Drouin who is the nuke laloosh of hockey.
but I also think he overestimates how much a player would do to play there.
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NYR land a high quality Dman in Trouba and likely not done yet with guys like Kreider, Vesey, Namestnikov and Buchnevich potentially in play. Could be an interesting week/wknd for the Rangers.
Would think Rangers would need to trade Kreider, now that we obtained Trouba, if we want to make a run at Bread Man. And I'm not sure that alone would do it. Would prob have to buy out one of the d-men too I think. But I think we could wait to do all that, if we actually signed Bread Man...right? Wouldn't see the point in doing either unless we signed him.
seems like a bunch of folks here read The Athletic this AM
Hes not a No. 1 defenseman but hes a really good second-pair defenseman who can play on the top pair. Hes comfortable playing against the toughest competition. Without Dustin Byfuglien blocking the way, Trouba should be more of a regular on the power play.
Hell be a lot better on a different team, said one NHL coach. Hes more nuts and bolts hard hat. Hes strong on the puck. ...
.....The Rangers are going to have to deal with a hard-lining agent in Kurt Overhardt, and if they extend the restricted free agent on a long-term deal, its probably going to be for more money than you want likely at least $7 million per season. But thats the price of poker. They knew that going in.
....Trouba might have the perfect personality to play in New York because none of the outside noise bothers him at all.
The last item for Anak
And the point is made that if he won't agree to NYR terms on a LT deal, he has value in a move late next season.
if he and Trouba hit it off, that would be a positive. Quinn has a very strong presence.
I really don't care for Anakim's take either, JonC's point being near top of the list. Just look how successful that has been for the other Manhattan winter sports franchise
Knicks aren't a FA destination...yet. Rangers have been way more successful in recruiting and obtaining free agents than the Knicks have.
Then again, the Knicks have rarely had cap space and the NBA's cap is more complicated than the NHL's.
now if Henrik can be convinced to go live near his Sister
I share your optimism that Trouba will re-sign. Hopefully it happens.
More generally, probably a better look to quietly enjoy the fact that players have indeed seemed to view NYR as a preferred destination, and more importantly hope that it remains that way.
Beyond that, the bombast is understandably grating to other fans who might participate in the discussion. (Of course, if tweaking them is a goal, you have your finger on the right button).
I'm just stating the reality. Players flock here.
You know, I think the whole "Playing for an Original 6" thing is a bit overstated, but it just so happens that, in my opinion, the top-4 destinations for players are New York City, Montreal, Toronto, and Chicago.
the list that Trouba gave to the Jets only included two teams he's be willing to sign an extension with. Presumably the other one was Detroit.
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Dreger on TSN1050 says Kevin Cheveldayoff was really boxed in, Trouba made it abundantly clear there were only specific teams he would go to, Troubas list wasnt 10 teams long or even 5 teams long, Dreger believes it was 1 or 2 teams long. #NYR #NHLJets
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Multiple teams Ive spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.
Means cap-strapped teams will be looking to unload salaries and with that, assets.
the list that Trouba gave to the Jets only included two teams he's be willing to sign an extension with. Presumably the other one was Detroit.
Yep.
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Dreger on TSN1050 says Kevin Cheveldayoff was really boxed in, Trouba made it abundantly clear there were only specific teams he would go to, Troubas list wasnt 10 teams long or even 5 teams long, Dreger believes it was 1 or 2 teams long. #NYR #NHLJets
i.e. Detroit and New York
Not following this. Trouba didnt have a no trade clause and the rangers didnt get to speak with his agent about an extension. And isnt he a RFA... right now ... or is spotrac wrong about that? So there is technically a chance he signs somewhere that we cant or choose not to match?
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Multiple teams Ive spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.
Means cap-strapped teams will be looking to unload salaries and with that, assets.
Curious as to why you think this is great news. In the Rangers shoes, I don't know how great that is. With the anchor contracts and dead cap we already have, we could use the extra wiggle room with the cap. Especially if we plan on making other big moves (Panarin).
We would be a team that can really utilize attaching an asset to a contract (Staal/Smith and to a lesser extent Shatty IMO). If there are more teams now doing this because of the lower cap, wouldn't that mean greater supply than team's out there that would be looking to take on a contract for an asset? Would imagine there are better, bad contracts to take on than Marc Staal's or Smith's.
Curious as to your POV.
Trouba's fiance is looking for a medical residency
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Multiple teams Ive spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.
Means cap-strapped teams will be looking to unload salaries and with that, assets.
Curious as to why you think this is great news. In the Rangers shoes, I don't know how great that is. With the anchor contracts and dead cap we already have, we could use the extra wiggle room with the cap. Especially if we plan on making other big moves (Panarin).
We would be a team that can really utilize attaching an asset to a contract (Staal/Smith and to a lesser extent Shatty IMO). If there are more teams now doing this because of the lower cap, wouldn't that mean greater supply than team's out there that would be looking to take on a contract for an asset? Would imagine there are better, bad contracts to take on than Marc Staal's or Smith's.
Curious as to your POV.
Mika Zibanejad and Brady Skjei are the only two players on the current roster whose contracts extend into 2021-22, which is when the Seattle Expansion Draft will be. Teams are desperate to not only shed salary but to shed longterm deals so they don't have to protect them.
The Rangers are in optimal position. They have cap space this year and it will only get better when guys like Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk and the King come off the books. We can afford to take on some "bad" contracts in order to get assets like prospects and draft picks.
but it seems as if the Rangers aren't done making moves, and I can certainly see them making a play for Panarin. If we agree with that or not, that's besides the point. I would personally like the move.
According to CapFriendly, we are currently at about $19M in cap space, with no RFA's signed. Using projected salary numbers from Blueshirt Banter, I'm going to assume Trouba signs a deal with an AAV of $7.5, and Buch and DeAngelo sign bridge deals at $3.25 a season, while Lemiuex signs a bridge at $1.1. Kakko's deal would come in just under $1M as well. Right there we would be adding about $16M to our cap, reducing our space to just about $3M.
There are definitely ways to free up space...Burying Smith in the minors saves $1.075, trading Vesey ($2.275), trading Names ($4M), trading Kreider ($4.625), trading Strome ($3.1M). Right there is a total of $15.075.
I've said it before, I'm nowhere near interested in a buyout of any of our players. I'm more interested in being a club that attaches an asset to facilitate a trade.
If we have no visions of making a run at Panarin or any other FAs, then yes, I can certainly see us taking on assets/contracts, but I can see us being players in FA.
kind of curious to the Board's reactions generally
with JD coming in and, from what we can see and what we are hearing, plans on accelerating the re-build hard via trade route, vs. slower climb toward Playoff contention by being patient with a roster growing younger and (hopefully) more talented by the month.
Trouba just turned 25 in February, and hopefully with a long term contract, is the workhorse of our defense for years. This is a player who helps right now, and in the future when all the kids would be coming into their own. I'm also a proponent of going after Panarin who turns 28 in October, and again, will be a player that helps win now, as well as fits into the future plans.
I think we're in a position with making this trade (and adding Panarin), we can be competitive now, as well as still having youth infusions reinforce the roster as they are ready. Players like Trouba/Panarin should only help these young players grow. A guy like Panarin would also be a major help with our Russian trio coming over, even if he only makes the transition a comfortable one for them.
I also am someone who does not want to buyout a defender, but would rather attach an asset to remove the contract (Staal), bury them (Smith) or let them run their course (Shatty). I understand that these contracts, and Hank's, as well as Hank's declining performance are what would hold this team back, but hopefully with a shored up defense, and more rotation with Georgiev, we can mitigate some of that.
Looking down the line at potential/notable impact UFA forwards that are under 30 in future off-seasons: 2020
Alex Galchenyuk (26)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (27)
Taylor Hall (28)
Tyler Toffoli (28)
Charlie Coyle (28)
Brayden Schenn (29)
Mike Hoffman (30)
2021
Brandon Saad (28)
Gabriel Landeskog (28)
Jaden Schwartz (29)
Brendan Gallagher (29)
Tomas Tatar (30)
Most of these guys will probably be signed long term, and never reach FA, and if they don't. I think Panarin's game should age well on a long term deal.
RE: kind of curious to the Board's reactions generally
with JD coming in and, from what we can see and what we are hearing, plans on accelerating the re-build hard via trade route, vs. slower climb toward Playoff contention by being patient with a roster growing younger and (hopefully) more talented by the month.
I know I'd rather have them competetive sooner than later, but the guys with the bigger brains around here are mostly adament against the buyouts, so I'm deferring to them. If they think it's better long term to have a painful but franchise curing season this year, I'm on board. I have to say, I really like what they're doing right now.
A little patience will go a long way here. I'm thrilled with the Trouba move, but it also doesn't do anything to zap future potential away from the team in the name of winning now - it will hopefully help the team while their window starts opening back up if we can keep him here; but if not, it won't hurt us and we'll be able to recoup (likely) a 1st in a deadline deal.
It's better to absorb the contracts you want to get rid of now, while the team isn't in a Cup contending phase. It's just 2 years on these guys (including Hank)
So, I think the smart move would be to really focus on the youth movement and developing those kids over these next 2 years, and then, when Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, and Lundqvist are all off the books, we'll have the ammo we need to supplement the team with the necessary talent and then this should, hopefully, be a Cup contender by that point.
If we can compete a little sooner without being short-sighted, great - but I think that's the most realistic window right now.
These won't be tank years... but we won't be ready to really complete in a playoff landscape just yet. Which is fine. Stay the course.
Next years draft is going to be a great one, and very deep. Last year it was this good we had numb nuts giving up the farm for St. Louis. Thank God he is gone, although he left parting gifts with the Girardi, Staal, Smith, Shattinkirk, and Lundqvist contcacts.
They are doing this rebuild well so far. The price was low because he is either a one year rental, or they will need to pay up next year. But much easier to commit to that after seeing him play in your system for a year.
Good discussion, with the exception of Anaks rabid and blind homerism which is nothing new. There are plenty of people who dont dream of living in New York.
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JP, I'll be watching intently to see how far off Fox and Rykov are. I guess it's a given, but it's worth pointing out that with JD, Gorton, and Quinn the Rangers have superb hockey people at positions that matter and capable of assessing talent and their appropriate level of competition.
Hayes for ROS and Pionk for Trouba and Lemieux.
Someone call the cops
Great trade, gave up only the 20th pick in the draft as Pionk is a restricted free agent.
Waiting to see what Shero has up his sleeve for the Devs.
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The Winnipeg Jets really just traded a legit 25 year old top pairing defenseman for Neal Pionk and 26 games of Kevin Hayes
Well done by Gorton. But I still don't want to buy anyone out please.
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The Winnipeg Jets really just traded a legit 25 year old top pairing defenseman for Neal Pionk and 26 games of Kevin Hayes
haha... well that ignores the whole notion of a salary cap. Rangers fans certainly know that pain from 4-5 years ago (Hagelin, Talbot, Yandle, etc.)
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The Winnipeg Jets really just traded a legit 25 year old top pairing defenseman for Neal Pionk and 26 games of Kevin Hayes
Sounds as if Trouba was refusing to extend outright with teams trying to trade for him and plans fully to go to FA next offseason. Jets leverage was very low. Rangers paid a rental price for one year.
If they sign him long term, good trade but hes apparently testing FA next year without question. He could get 9 -10m a year.
If Rangers can extend him, its a really nice price.
I hate to say it but that was a phenomenal trade for the Rangers.
If Rangers can extend him, its a really nice price.
Teams were allowed to negotiate with him during talks so I assume the Rangers are confident an extension will be agreed to.
Good point. Lowers the risk.
If Rangers can extend him, its a really nice price.
If he doesnt sign by February theyll flip him for the first round pick back. It only cost them Pionk to make a run here - thats a no brainer. Good start for the JD - Gorton duo. ...i just dont want to read we are paying Girardi and Staal off our cap for the next four years now.
All the bad contracts, including frankly Hank, expire in two years. And buyouts next summer might make more sense than dead money for four years... I think we have to pay 3.6 mil on Girardi this year, for example. Its not a wise move for a team thats most likely not making the postseason this upcoming year.
If that's the case then I am glad we didn't make the move but the Devils have the most cap space in the league and they could have made him a huge offer.
Stu, if the Devils re-sign Hall hopefully they will become more attractive to free agents with Hall, Hughes, Hischier, Palmieri, and Ty Smith.
I really wish we could get Shattenkirk and his crappy contract out, but I don't want to go buyout route again.
I do think they'll get Trouba to stay here. But even if not, we can flip him for a pick and it won't set us back any.
JD era off to a good start.
Pionk sucks
I really wish we could get Shattenkirk and his crappy contract out, but I don't want to go buyout route again.
I do think they'll get Trouba to stay here. But even if not, we can flip him for a pick and it won't set us back any.
JD era off to a good start.
Shattenkirk is the least of our concerns. I'd get rid of Staal and Smith before Shatty
But I agree that buyouts would be dumb. Are the Rangers going to win a championship this year? If not, why would you do a buyout and take away capspace from subsequent years in which presumably the Rangers would be a contender.
There's talk that Trouba is determined to get to UFA. We'll see.
That's probably another reason why price was low. It's also somewhat irrelevant since--as others have said--he can likely be moved for a first at the deadline.
Trouba also has some issues so Im glad Rangers will get to see him up close before inking him to a huge deal.
Also, keep in mind that this means the Jets did not think he was worth a big contract.
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
I don't really mind just riding it out with Staal. There's nothing we can really do with Smith. He has no trade value. We can basically just bury him in HFD and that's about it.
Shatty sucks in our zone, he wasn't a good point producer last year, and the cost:value ratio on him is probably one of the worst on the entire team. He was getting healthy scratched like a week into the season.
Just a terrible acquisition and contract. I can't wait until he's gone.
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That's probably another reason why price was low. It's also somewhat irrelevant since--as others have said--he can likely be moved for a first at the deadline.
Trouba also has some issues so Im glad Rangers will get to see him up close before inking him to a huge deal.
Also, keep in mind that this means the Jets did not think he was worth a big contract.
I think it's more that Trouba didn't want to be in Winnipeg. He expressed as much. Hell he requested a trade a couple of years ago before settling on a bridge deal.
Hajek 21-Tony DeAngelo 23
Rykov 22-Fox 21
Lindgren 21/Reunanen 21
With guys like K'Andre, Lundkvist, and Keane
Hell of a future defensive corp
Definitely, I think he's solid if he can stay healthy, and I'd much rather have him out there than Smith or Staal.
Pionk was terrible last year. He was worse than Shattenkirk and even Staal. And 20th overall...well, it was your pick to begin with, Winnipeg. And frankly, our farm system is good enough that we don't necessarily need the 20th overall pick. Would it have been useful? Of course, but we're getting two blue chip scoring wingers in Kakko and Kravtsov, we have a few young Cs who can develop into solid players in Lias, Chytil and Howden, we are loaded with young defense (as I posted above) and we have our presumable goalie in the future in the Mighty Igor.
I didn't like what we got for Zucc, but if he does indeed re-sign...the rich will get richer.
Trouba and Brendan Lemieux (who was JUST what we needed) for a month of Kevin Hayes and Neal Pionk.
Masterful work by Gorton and JD
Isn't that the only option?
I don't really mind just riding it out with Staal. There's nothing we can really do with Smith. He has no trade value. We can basically just bury him in HFD and that's about it.
Shatty sucks in our zone, he wasn't a good point producer last year, and the cost:value ratio on him is probably one of the worst on the entire team. He was getting healthy scratched like a week into the season.
Just a terrible acquisition and contract. I can't wait until he's gone.
Boy am I glad you guys won that bidding war over the Devs 2 years ago
I like Pionk's future more than Shattenkirk, but Pionk is just so inconsistent I'd have traded him too in this trade in a heart beat. People keep try to let Shattenkirk live off his "puck moving defenseman" reputation, but when I watch him I don't see that anymore. Blues traded him at the right time.
No idea why Trouba wouldn't test free agency though, he's 26 years old before the end of next season, and can play anywhere. Born in Michigan, played for University of Michigan, I think he's said he'd like to play for the Red Wings or at least it's been rumored he wants to play closer to home, so I don't know he'll fall for Anakim's "arrogance". The only advantage his current team has is they can go longer term on the contract (8 years max vs 7)
but who knows, different things motivate different people.
What I like now is how the US seems to be dominating the blue line again, like the Leetch, Housley, Chelios, Hatcher days or at least keeping up with the Canadians. Seemed like for a while no American defenseman were doing great.
Jones, Werenski, Trouba, Gostibehere, Hanifin, McAvoy, Carlson, Byufglien, Carlo, Slavin, Grzlcyk, Faulk, Fowler, Skjei, McDonagh, etc. a good core of upper tier young-ish D (well not Byufglien and some of the later ones)
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
Yeah, the Red Wings are a flash in the pan, also-ran team. Detroit is sometimes called Hockey Town for a reason.
He's getting paid no matter what, unless he suffers a catastrophic injury.
I'm not saying he won't sign in NY, but at this point, he should probably test free agency.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
I hate this take. The rangers havent won a cup since 94. Can we stop pretending that were some high and mighty holier than thou organization.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
I hate this take. The rangers havent won a cup since 94. Can we stop pretending that were some high and mighty holier than thou organization.
Except we are. Players have always wanted to come here. Players have taken LESS to come here. Yeah, the success on the ice hasn't been there, but there's no denying that the New York Rangers are one of the most popular destinations for hockey players. We see it time and time again.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
Yeah, the Red Wings are a flash in the pan, also-ran team. Detroit is sometimes called Hockey Town for a reason.
He's getting paid no matter what, unless he suffers a catastrophic injury.
I'm not saying he won't sign in NY, but at this point, he should probably test free agency.
Never said they were (although Detroit is a hellhole). Red Wings are an iconic franchise too.
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NYR land a high quality Dman in Trouba and likely not done yet with guys like Kreider, Vesey, Namestnikov and Buchnevich potentially in play. Could be an interesting week/wknd for the Rangers.
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A) It's New York City
B) We have a shit ton of cap space now and in the future (remember Henrik, Shatty, Staal and Smith are coming off the books in the next 2-3 years)
C) This team is really looking up with a young nucleus
Trouba is from Michigan. Just as Shattenkirk wanted to play for the Rangers, Trouba wants to play for his boyhood favorite team. We will struggle to resign him if he gets to UFA.
We're not the Islanders. When was the last time a player spurned us? Fuck that boyhood team shit. He's gonna get paid and get paid well with a marquee franchise like the Rangers.
I hate this take. The rangers havent won a cup since 94. Can we stop pretending that were some high and mighty holier than thou organization.
Except we are. Players have always wanted to come here. Players have taken LESS to come here. Yeah, the success on the ice hasn't been there, but there's no denying that the New York Rangers are one of the most popular destinations for hockey players. We see it time and time again.
Haha - as one of the most popular destinations it's sad how many cups the Rangers have won yet the Ranger fans act like they're the Yankees
But Im super excited for a new hockey opportunity and a new place. Its different, so thats something youre naturally excited about. I havent thought too much into it, but I know a couple of guys there. You know about the city and playing at MSG on the road, for me, was one of my favourite spots to play. Just with the history and the crowd and the buzz, its just a whole new world. Im excited for new avenues of life and new experiences.
As for his future, Trouba wasnt ready to discuss whether he was open to signing a long-term deal with the Rangers.
We havent really worried about it. Im just trying to get through the night and enjoy it and everything thats going on, Trouba said. Im sure well deal with it in the morning and start those talks in the morning.
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This. No one is comparing the Rangers history with the Yankees'.
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This. No one is comparing the Rangers history with the Yankees'.
No one is comparing the history, just the arrogance of the fan bases
It's possible - even if he's a 1 year rental it's still a good price. They would probably be able to get a similar return in February if they don't think he's going to sign
I have an idea what I think it will take, but its my ballpark, Gorton said. I havent talked to those guys about numbers. Weve done our research to factor in what we think it might be and what a player like thats worth. So well move forward like that with complete confidence that we can get a deal done.
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I really don't care for Anakim's take either, JonC's point being near top of the list. Just look how successful that has been for the other Manhattan winter sports franchise
More generally, probably a better look to quietly enjoy the fact that players have indeed seemed to view NYR as a preferred destination, and more importantly hope that it remains that way.
Beyond that, the bombast is understandably grating to other fans who might participate in the discussion. (Of course, if tweaking them is a goal, you have your finger on the right button).
Facts are facts, but propping up the Rangers over the Red Wings, I think misses the mark when the player is from Michigan.
And it doesn't matter if Detroit is a hell hole, I'm guessing these guys with homes in Michigan, don't raise their kids in Detroit.
Same thing I imagine is true in Boston, just look at the post-loss interviews, all those guys had tears in their eyes and said they couldn't imagine playing anywhere else (the local guys or guys who played college there like Coyle, Acciari, Krug, etc.)
Yeah, definitely cringe worthy, but it's not new. He says that all the time. And sometimes he's right. NY is a "destination".
No one wants to play in MTL right now. taxes, exchange rate pressure. the only ones who want to play there are the natives like Drouin who is the nuke laloosh of hockey.
but I also think he overestimates how much a player would do to play there.
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NYR land a high quality Dman in Trouba and likely not done yet with guys like Kreider, Vesey, Namestnikov and Buchnevich potentially in play. Could be an interesting week/wknd for the Rangers.
Would think Rangers would need to trade Kreider, now that we obtained Trouba, if we want to make a run at Bread Man. And I'm not sure that alone would do it. Would prob have to buy out one of the d-men too I think. But I think we could wait to do all that, if we actually signed Bread Man...right? Wouldn't see the point in doing either unless we signed him.
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Hell be a lot better on a different team, said one NHL coach. Hes more nuts and bolts hard hat. Hes strong on the puck. ...
.....The Rangers are going to have to deal with a hard-lining agent in Kurt Overhardt, and if they extend the restricted free agent on a long-term deal, its probably going to be for more money than you want likely at least $7 million per season. But thats the price of poker. They knew that going in.
....Trouba might have the perfect personality to play in New York because none of the outside noise bothers him at all.
The last item for Anak
And the point is made that if he won't agree to NYR terms on a LT deal, he has value in a move late next season.
"I can see myself being in New York for a long time." - new #NYR @JacobTrouba
I really don't care for Anakim's take either, JonC's point being near top of the list. Just look how successful that has been for the other Manhattan winter sports franchise
Knicks aren't a FA destination...yet. Rangers have been way more successful in recruiting and obtaining free agents than the Knicks have.
Then again, the Knicks have rarely had cap space and the NBA's cap is more complicated than the NHL's.
More generally, probably a better look to quietly enjoy the fact that players have indeed seemed to view NYR as a preferred destination, and more importantly hope that it remains that way.
Beyond that, the bombast is understandably grating to other fans who might participate in the discussion. (Of course, if tweaking them is a goal, you have your finger on the right button).
I'm just stating the reality. Players flock here.
You know, I think the whole "Playing for an Original 6" thing is a bit overstated, but it just so happens that, in my opinion, the top-4 destinations for players are New York City, Montreal, Toronto, and Chicago.
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Dreger on TSN1050 says Kevin Cheveldayoff was really boxed in, Trouba made it abundantly clear there were only specific teams he would go to, Troubas list wasnt 10 teams long or even 5 teams long, Dreger believes it was 1 or 2 teams long. #NYR #NHLJets
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Multiple teams Ive spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.
Means cap-strapped teams will be looking to unload salaries and with that, assets.
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Dreger on TSN1050 says Kevin Cheveldayoff was really boxed in, Trouba made it abundantly clear there were only specific teams he would go to, Troubas list wasnt 10 teams long or even 5 teams long, Dreger believes it was 1 or 2 teams long. #NYR #NHLJets
i.e. Detroit and New York
Not following this. Trouba didnt have a no trade clause and the rangers didnt get to speak with his agent about an extension. And isnt he a RFA... right now ... or is spotrac wrong about that? So there is technically a chance he signs somewhere that we cant or choose not to match?
Hopefully Skjei and Trouba being pretty close will help sell him on staying here.
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Multiple teams Ive spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.
Means cap-strapped teams will be looking to unload salaries and with that, assets.
Curious as to why you think this is great news. In the Rangers shoes, I don't know how great that is. With the anchor contracts and dead cap we already have, we could use the extra wiggle room with the cap. Especially if we plan on making other big moves (Panarin).
We would be a team that can really utilize attaching an asset to a contract (Staal/Smith and to a lesser extent Shatty IMO). If there are more teams now doing this because of the lower cap, wouldn't that mean greater supply than team's out there that would be looking to take on a contract for an asset? Would imagine there are better, bad contracts to take on than Marc Staal's or Smith's.
Curious as to your POV.
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Multiple teams Ive spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.
Means cap-strapped teams will be looking to unload salaries and with that, assets.
Curious as to why you think this is great news. In the Rangers shoes, I don't know how great that is. With the anchor contracts and dead cap we already have, we could use the extra wiggle room with the cap. Especially if we plan on making other big moves (Panarin).
We would be a team that can really utilize attaching an asset to a contract (Staal/Smith and to a lesser extent Shatty IMO). If there are more teams now doing this because of the lower cap, wouldn't that mean greater supply than team's out there that would be looking to take on a contract for an asset? Would imagine there are better, bad contracts to take on than Marc Staal's or Smith's.
Curious as to your POV.
Mika Zibanejad and Brady Skjei are the only two players on the current roster whose contracts extend into 2021-22, which is when the Seattle Expansion Draft will be. Teams are desperate to not only shed salary but to shed longterm deals so they don't have to protect them.
The Rangers are in optimal position. They have cap space this year and it will only get better when guys like Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk and the King come off the books. We can afford to take on some "bad" contracts in order to get assets like prospects and draft picks.
According to CapFriendly, we are currently at about $19M in cap space, with no RFA's signed. Using projected salary numbers from Blueshirt Banter, I'm going to assume Trouba signs a deal with an AAV of $7.5, and Buch and DeAngelo sign bridge deals at $3.25 a season, while Lemiuex signs a bridge at $1.1. Kakko's deal would come in just under $1M as well. Right there we would be adding about $16M to our cap, reducing our space to just about $3M.
There are definitely ways to free up space...Burying Smith in the minors saves $1.075, trading Vesey ($2.275), trading Names ($4M), trading Kreider ($4.625), trading Strome ($3.1M). Right there is a total of $15.075.
I've said it before, I'm nowhere near interested in a buyout of any of our players. I'm more interested in being a club that attaches an asset to facilitate a trade.
If we have no visions of making a run at Panarin or any other FAs, then yes, I can certainly see us taking on assets/contracts, but I can see us being players in FA.
Trouba just turned 25 in February, and hopefully with a long term contract, is the workhorse of our defense for years. This is a player who helps right now, and in the future when all the kids would be coming into their own. I'm also a proponent of going after Panarin who turns 28 in October, and again, will be a player that helps win now, as well as fits into the future plans.
I think we're in a position with making this trade (and adding Panarin), we can be competitive now, as well as still having youth infusions reinforce the roster as they are ready. Players like Trouba/Panarin should only help these young players grow. A guy like Panarin would also be a major help with our Russian trio coming over, even if he only makes the transition a comfortable one for them.
I also am someone who does not want to buyout a defender, but would rather attach an asset to remove the contract (Staal), bury them (Smith) or let them run their course (Shatty). I understand that these contracts, and Hank's, as well as Hank's declining performance are what would hold this team back, but hopefully with a shored up defense, and more rotation with Georgiev, we can mitigate some of that.
Looking down the line at potential/notable impact UFA forwards that are under 30 in future off-seasons:
2020
Alex Galchenyuk (26)
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (27)
Taylor Hall (28)
Tyler Toffoli (28)
Charlie Coyle (28)
Brayden Schenn (29)
Mike Hoffman (30)
2021
Brandon Saad (28)
Gabriel Landeskog (28)
Jaden Schwartz (29)
Brendan Gallagher (29)
Tomas Tatar (30)
Most of these guys will probably be signed long term, and never reach FA, and if they don't. I think Panarin's game should age well on a long term deal.
I know I'd rather have them competetive sooner than later, but the guys with the bigger brains around here are mostly adament against the buyouts, so I'm deferring to them. If they think it's better long term to have a painful but franchise curing season this year, I'm on board. I have to say, I really like what they're doing right now.
It's better to absorb the contracts you want to get rid of now, while the team isn't in a Cup contending phase. It's just 2 years on these guys (including Hank)
So, I think the smart move would be to really focus on the youth movement and developing those kids over these next 2 years, and then, when Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, and Lundqvist are all off the books, we'll have the ammo we need to supplement the team with the necessary talent and then this should, hopefully, be a Cup contender by that point.
If we can compete a little sooner without being short-sighted, great - but I think that's the most realistic window right now.
These won't be tank years... but we won't be ready to really complete in a playoff landscape just yet. Which is fine. Stay the course.
Hajek-D'Angelo
Staal/Shattenkirk
Smith 7th D / 13th F
Fox, Rykov and Lindgren start the year in Hartford.
Miller, Lundkvist and Reunanen a year or two away.
Hopefully one or more of Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith are either traded, buried in Hartford and/or bought out.
Good discussion, with the exception of Anaks rabid and blind homerism which is nothing new. There are plenty of people who dont dream of living in New York.
Hajek-D'Angelo
Staal/Shattenkirk
Smith 7th D / 13th F
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Kevin Hayes. 7 years. 50 million.