I was going through a box of my grandfather's stuff from the 1910s and 1920s. In addition to lots of cool stuff from WW1 and his high school and college days there was a program from the 1926 Giants vs Bears game (my grandfather played in that game) and a program from the 1921 Brickley's Giants vs Buffalo game. I hope you enjoy these pictures.
i had to read it a couple of times to understand what it was talking about. i think the Syracuse guy is writing to Brickley saying bring his professional team to play a Syracuse professional team in Syracuse while the Syracuse University team is out of town. and that if they did he would reciprocate with a game in the Polo Grounds.
The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
"Brickley's Giants played two games in their only season, losing to the Buffalo All-Americans, 55–0, and the Cleveland Tigers, 17–0.[1] It was the second-shortest-lived franchise in NFL history, behind only the Tonawanda Kardex, who played only one game in the same 1921 season."
My grandfather played for the Giants in 1926. He graduated law school in 1925. I still can't believe this stuff has been in a box for almost 100 years.
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
Don't think a TV schedule was a concern in 1926 since it wasn't invented until 1927.
No TV?! So everyone had to just follow it on their smartphone? Wow, crazy times back then.
I'm tripping on the 8 Course Meal for $1.50.
According to the online inflation calculator, $1.50 in 1926 is $21.70 in today's dollars. That's still a great deal for an 8-course meal (with live entertainment.)
And what about John P. Harding only serving ladies at three of his 6 locations?
Please contact me via electronic mail re any addition team data you may have. Contact info in my profile. Anything on the 1932 Giants?
What a treasure.
Go Giants !!
I don't have anything on '32 Giants, but there are a couple of people that follow this site that have a LOT of information. I've emailed them the URL for this thread.
The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The biggest surprise to me was that staples tend to be a magnet for humidity and almost always show some signs of rust especially on something so old. Even stored in a climate-controlled environment, there is always some degree of humidity. Your program show no sign of the staples rusting and staining the interior binding. The middle fold isn't that big of a deal as it wasn't creased. Also, there is no evidence of foxing which is almost always present on paper nearly 100 years old.
A rule that was created out of necessity. Apparently, striking an offensive player in the face with the heel, back or side of the hand was allowed previously.
The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The biggest surprise to me was that staples tend to be a magnet for humidity and almost always show some signs of rust especially on something so old. Even stored in a climate-controlled environment, there is always some degree of humidity. Your program show no sign of the staples rusting and staining the interior binding. The middle fold isn't that big of a deal as it wasn't creased. Also, there is no evidence of foxing which is almost always present on paper nearly 100 years old.
What is foxing? And how do I preserve this?
It was just in a box with a bunch of other papers. My parents kept these boxes in their attic. There were some cool things (his draft card from WW1, a bunch of WW1 post cards, his registration for an Indian motorcycle from 1915, a single shot pistol from the 1800s, a kerosene powered bicycle lamp, a handheld adding machine from the early 1900s, etc.). And hundreds of letters. Will take me a long time to go through all the papers. Hoping to find mention of the Giants in some of the letters.
The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The biggest surprise to me was that staples tend to be a magnet for humidity and almost always show some signs of rust especially on something so old. Even stored in a climate-controlled environment, there is always some degree of humidity. Your program show no sign of the staples rusting and staining the interior binding. The middle fold isn't that big of a deal as it wasn't creased. Also, there is no evidence of foxing which is almost always present on paper nearly 100 years old.
What is foxing? And how do I preserve this?
It was just in a box with a bunch of other papers. My parents kept these boxes in their attic. There were some cool things (his draft card from WW1, a bunch of WW1 post cards, his registration for an Indian motorcycle from 1915, a single shot pistol from the 1800s, a kerosene powered bicycle lamp, a handheld adding machine from the early 1900s, etc.). And hundreds of letters. Will take me a long time to go through all the papers. Hoping to find mention of the Giants in some of the letters.
Foxing is an age-related deterioration of paper that causes spots and browning on old paper. It gets it's name from the typical reddish-brown tinge of the staining as being reddish like a fox. Handling the paper leaves behind oils from the skin which can accelerate the process. In old books, you will see a foxing where a page was turned or how the book was held open while reading the pages.
Also, if you do decide to display it, keep it away from sunlight as the UV will deteriorate the wood pulp fibers in the paper causing to to become brown and brittle. You see that in antiquarian books where they are stored on a shelf but the edges of the pages have been exposed to sunlight causing the edges to flake away while the rest of the page is fine.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
Foxing is an age-related deterioration of paper that causes spots and browning on old paper. It gets it's name from the typical reddish-brown tinge of the staining as being reddish like a fox. Handling the paper leaves behind oils from the skin which can accelerate the process. In old books, you will see a foxing where a page was turned or how the book was held open while reading the pages.
Also, if you do decide to display it, keep it away from sunlight as the UV will deteriorate the wood pulp fibers in the paper causing to to become brown and brittle. You see that in antiquarian books where they are stored on a shelf but the edges of the pages have been exposed to sunlight causing the edges to flake away while the rest of the page is fine.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
Foxing is an age-related deterioration of paper that causes spots and browning on old paper. It gets it's name from the typical reddish-brown tinge of the staining as being reddish like a fox. Handling the paper leaves behind oils from the skin which can accelerate the process. In old books, you will see a foxing where a page was turned or how the book was held open while reading the pages.
Also, if you do decide to display it, keep it away from sunlight as the UV will deteriorate the wood pulp fibers in the paper causing to to become brown and brittle. You see that in antiquarian books where they are stored on a shelf but the edges of the pages have been exposed to sunlight causing the edges to flake away while the rest of the page is fine.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
Are you a game program collector?
No. But I collect other items that require preservation techniques.
No. But I collect other items that require preservation techniques.
That's great info you gave. I have a modest collection of old programs and media guides- ranging from 1934 through the early 1960's. I will definitely be more careful when handling them, like wearing cotton gloves. I have one from 1946 where the paper is browned and very brittle, and the staples are rusted as you had described above.
I keep them all in a binder in individual plastic sleeves. I use them for research, they contain very valuable information that is not often available in other places.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
You can buy thin white cotton gloves from coin shops. The biggest enemy when it comes to paper is humidity. In Mark's case, I can only guess that the other items that it was stored with served in a sacrificial role by serving as a desiccant keeping the humidity from attacking the program.
Larry, you mentioned that they are in plastic envelopes. Check to make sure there is no PVC in the plastic. It can react chemically with the paper over time. Look for archival quality. The Mylar suggested above is considered "sunblock" to keep the UV from deteriorating the wood pulp fibers.
You can buy thin white cotton gloves from coin shops. The biggest enemy when it comes to paper is humidity. In Mark's case, I can only guess that the other items that it was stored with served in a sacrificial role by serving as a desiccant keeping the humidity from attacking the program.
Larry, you mentioned that they are in plastic envelopes. Check to make sure there is no PVC in the plastic. It can react chemically with the paper over time. Look for archival quality. The Mylar suggested above is considered "sunblock" to keep the UV from deteriorating the wood pulp fibers.
What a treasure.
Go Giants !!
i had to read it a couple of times to understand what it was talking about. i think the Syracuse guy is writing to Brickley saying bring his professional team to play a Syracuse professional team in Syracuse while the Syracuse University team is out of town. and that if they did he would reciprocate with a game in the Polo Grounds.
Looks like it was a completely different team:
From Wikipedia
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
Does that 1926 Giants-Bears program happen to contain any photos? I love how they have the team colors alongside the rosters.
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
When I first started going to Giants’ games, the start time was 2 pm. The supposed reason was that churchgoers needed more time to get to the game
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
Don't think a TV schedule was a concern in 1926 since it wasn't invented until 1927.
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Thanks for sharing.
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
Don't think a TV schedule was a concern in 1926 since it wasn't invented until 1927.
The first televised pro football game was in 1939 between the Dodgers and Eagles. The "network" consisted of a station in NYC and Albany, NY.
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Thanks for sharing.
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
Don't think a TV schedule was a concern in 1926 since it wasn't invented until 1927.
No TV?! So everyone had to just follow it on their smartphone? Wow, crazy times back then.
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Thanks for sharing.
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
Don't think a TV schedule was a concern in 1926 since it wasn't invented until 1927.
No TV?! So everyone had to just follow it on their smartphone? Wow, crazy times back then.
I'm tripping on the 8 Course Meal for $1.50.
"Post Graduate Football"
:-)
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NY Giants Football Club. Old school.
"Post Graduate Football"
:-)
My grandfather played for the Giants in 1926. He graduated law school in 1925. I still can't believe this stuff has been in a box for almost 100 years.
Their official corporate name already is New York Football Giants, Inc. Maybe read more, post less?
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Thanks for sharing.
2:15 PM game time- how did that work with the TV schedule?
Don't think a TV schedule was a concern in 1926 since it wasn't invented until 1927.
No TV?! So everyone had to just follow it on their smartphone? Wow, crazy times back then.
I'm tripping on the 8 Course Meal for $1.50.
According to the online inflation calculator, $1.50 in 1926 is $21.70 in today's dollars. That's still a great deal for an 8-course meal (with live entertainment.)
And what about John P. Harding only serving ladies at three of his 6 locations?
What a treasure.
Go Giants !!
I don't have anything on '32 Giants, but there are a couple of people that follow this site that have a LOT of information. I've emailed them the URL for this thread.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
Does that 1926 Giants-Bears program happen to contain any photos? I love how they have the team colors alongside the rosters.
Yes. I'll take pictures of the entire program and post when I get a chance.
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The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The biggest surprise to me was that staples tend to be a magnet for humidity and almost always show some signs of rust especially on something so old. Even stored in a climate-controlled environment, there is always some degree of humidity. Your program show no sign of the staples rusting and staining the interior binding. The middle fold isn't that big of a deal as it wasn't creased. Also, there is no evidence of foxing which is almost always present on paper nearly 100 years old.
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The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The biggest surprise to me was that staples tend to be a magnet for humidity and almost always show some signs of rust especially on something so old. Even stored in a climate-controlled environment, there is always some degree of humidity. Your program show no sign of the staples rusting and staining the interior binding. The middle fold isn't that big of a deal as it wasn't creased. Also, there is no evidence of foxing which is almost always present on paper nearly 100 years old.
What is foxing? And how do I preserve this?
It was just in a box with a bunch of other papers. My parents kept these boxes in their attic. There were some cool things (his draft card from WW1, a bunch of WW1 post cards, his registration for an Indian motorcycle from 1915, a single shot pistol from the 1800s, a kerosene powered bicycle lamp, a handheld adding machine from the early 1900s, etc.). And hundreds of letters. Will take me a long time to go through all the papers. Hoping to find mention of the Giants in some of the letters.
What a treasure.
Go Giants !!
I might be able to help you out.
Email me:
bigbluelarry@hotmail.com
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The quality is exceptional with minimal foxing, staples are not rusted, intact binding, no folded pages, or tears. You should look into preserving the condition such as one would do with a valuable comic book.
I hope truebluelarry sees these.
I don't think anyone has handled these documents since around 1926. The Bears-Giants program is perfect except it was folded in half for 90 years.
The biggest surprise to me was that staples tend to be a magnet for humidity and almost always show some signs of rust especially on something so old. Even stored in a climate-controlled environment, there is always some degree of humidity. Your program show no sign of the staples rusting and staining the interior binding. The middle fold isn't that big of a deal as it wasn't creased. Also, there is no evidence of foxing which is almost always present on paper nearly 100 years old.
What is foxing? And how do I preserve this?
It was just in a box with a bunch of other papers. My parents kept these boxes in their attic. There were some cool things (his draft card from WW1, a bunch of WW1 post cards, his registration for an Indian motorcycle from 1915, a single shot pistol from the 1800s, a kerosene powered bicycle lamp, a handheld adding machine from the early 1900s, etc.). And hundreds of letters. Will take me a long time to go through all the papers. Hoping to find mention of the Giants in some of the letters.
Foxing is an age-related deterioration of paper that causes spots and browning on old paper. It gets it's name from the typical reddish-brown tinge of the staining as being reddish like a fox. Handling the paper leaves behind oils from the skin which can accelerate the process. In old books, you will see a foxing where a page was turned or how the book was held open while reading the pages.
Also, if you do decide to display it, keep it away from sunlight as the UV will deteriorate the wood pulp fibers in the paper causing to to become brown and brittle. You see that in antiquarian books where they are stored on a shelf but the edges of the pages have been exposed to sunlight causing the edges to flake away while the rest of the page is fine.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
Foxing is an age-related deterioration of paper that causes spots and browning on old paper. It gets it's name from the typical reddish-brown tinge of the staining as being reddish like a fox. Handling the paper leaves behind oils from the skin which can accelerate the process. In old books, you will see a foxing where a page was turned or how the book was held open while reading the pages.
Also, if you do decide to display it, keep it away from sunlight as the UV will deteriorate the wood pulp fibers in the paper causing to to become brown and brittle. You see that in antiquarian books where they are stored on a shelf but the edges of the pages have been exposed to sunlight causing the edges to flake away while the rest of the page is fine.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
Are you a game program collector?
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Foxing is an age-related deterioration of paper that causes spots and browning on old paper. It gets it's name from the typical reddish-brown tinge of the staining as being reddish like a fox. Handling the paper leaves behind oils from the skin which can accelerate the process. In old books, you will see a foxing where a page was turned or how the book was held open while reading the pages.
Also, if you do decide to display it, keep it away from sunlight as the UV will deteriorate the wood pulp fibers in the paper causing to to become brown and brittle. You see that in antiquarian books where they are stored on a shelf but the edges of the pages have been exposed to sunlight causing the edges to flake away while the rest of the page is fine.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
Are you a game program collector?
No. But I collect other items that require preservation techniques.
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Are you a game program collector?
No. But I collect other items that require preservation techniques.
That's great info you gave. I have a modest collection of old programs and media guides- ranging from 1934 through the early 1960's. I will definitely be more careful when handling them, like wearing cotton gloves. I have one from 1946 where the paper is browned and very brittle, and the staples are rusted as you had described above.
I keep them all in a binder in individual plastic sleeves. I use them for research, they contain very valuable information that is not often available in other places.
I would consult a comic book collector with regards to storage. I presume there are Mylar envelopes and use of a small silica gel desiccant packet to keep moisture at bay. But check with them for the best advice on how to preserve such an item. It also would be advisable to handle the program with cotton gloves in the future.
thanks very much
Larry, you mentioned that they are in plastic envelopes. Check to make sure there is no PVC in the plastic. It can react chemically with the paper over time. Look for archival quality. The Mylar suggested above is considered "sunblock" to keep the UV from deteriorating the wood pulp fibers.
Larry, you mentioned that they are in plastic envelopes. Check to make sure there is no PVC in the plastic. It can react chemically with the paper over time. Look for archival quality. The Mylar suggested above is considered "sunblock" to keep the UV from deteriorating the wood pulp fibers.
Will do. Thanks!