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NFT: NHL Draft Thread: Draft is Friday

pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:12 am
Thought I'd start a thread for general NHL Draft discussion.

Date: 6/21
Where: Vancouver

The story of the draft so far is that American players are set to dominate the early portion of the draft.

Besides projected #1 Jack Hughes, I've seen as many as 6 of the top 10 projected as American players.

Who are they?

Hughes (C) projected #1, everyone knows him

Cole Caufield has been routinely called the "best goal scorer" in the draft. and he helped himself out in a major way at the U18's in April. I'm still leery of a 5' 7" NHL player, but Alex Debrincat (who Caufield is often compared to) maybe helped dissuade those concerns with his 40 G/76P season as a 21-year old.

Alex Turcotte, another American C, does everything IMO, he can score, play defensively, and is a good skater.

Trevor Zegras, has played W and C, not sure what he is in the NHL, oozes skill and manages to combine it with a hard nose style and good hockey IQ

Matthew Boldy, a LW, he might be my favorite non-Hughes American draftee, I see him as a Ryan O'Reilly type with how he approaches the game, so smart, so skilled, just not a C.

Spencer Knight, #1 rated goalie and if he goes this high would be a rarity, the NHL has moved away from 1st round goalies as a norm

other US notables:

Cam York (beast D, in the McAvoy mold)

Bobby Orr Brink (no shit that's his name) - maybe the sleeper of the bunch, loved his play at the U18's

Arthur Kaliyev, goal scorer? check. Not a great skater though. How then does he join Tavares, Stamkos, Skinner, and Debrincat as the only players to score 50 goals in the OHL in their 17/18 year old seasons? Can't argue with the stats, but he's a guy I'd really want to evaluate at the combone.

Alex Vlasic - a massive kid at 6' 6" at 18 years old and cousin to Marc-douard Vlasic, reminds me a little of the Samuelsson's last year (Ulf and Kjell's kids), need some work, but with that size it's not hard to envision.

Draft order, post Trouba trade:

2019 NHL DRAFT FIRST-ROUND ORDER

1. New Jersey Devils

2. New York Rangers

3. Chicago Blackhawks

4. Colorado Avalanche (from Ottawa Senators)

5. Los Angeles Kings

6. Detroit Red Wings

7. Buffalo Sabres

8. Edmonton Oilers

9. Anaheim Ducks

10. Vancouver Canucks

11. Philadelphia Flyers

12. Minnesota Wild

13. Florida Panthers

14. Arizona Coyotes

15. Montreal Canadiens

16. Colorado Avalanche

17. Vegas Golden Knights

18. Dallas Stars

19. Ottawa Senators (from Columbus Blue Jackets)

20. Winnipeg Jets (from New York Rangers)

21. Pittsburgh Penguins

22. Los Angeles Kings (from Toronto Maple Leafs)

23. New York Islanders

24. Nashville Predators

25. Washington Capitals

26. Calgary Flames

27. Tampa Bay Lightning

28. Carolina Hurricanes

29. Anaheim Ducks [or Buffalo Sabres] (from San Jose Sharks)

30. Boston Bruins

31. Buffalo Sabres [or Anaheim Ducks] (from St. Louis Blues)


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Galchenyuk  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:48 pm : link
back to PIT.

Love this for PIT.

No idea why Arizona would do this.
Pens robbed the Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:55 pm : link
if the Pens are smart they'll put Galchenyuk on a line with Sid.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

PO Joseph and Galchenyuk to Pittsburgh for Kessel and a 4th round pick.
7:49 PM - 29 Jun 2019
How come every Metro team  
Metnut : 6/29/2019 8:30 pm : link
has to rip off the other team in each trade. Infuriating.
Yep agreed Pitt did really well here  
Stu11 : 6/29/2019 8:41 pm : link
However Galchenyuk is still a lot of potential VS. Kessel's production. Listen I'm Pitt I do the deal 10 times out of 10 but Kessel is still one of the best pure producers in the league.
I think Galchenyuk  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 8:55 pm : link
and Kessel are similar players, both have ridiculous shots, snipers, but Galchenyuk is 25 (vs Kessel 32 before next season) and Galchenyuk has upside.

Kessel costs $3M more per year on the cap.

PO Joseph was a 1st round pick in 2017, solid D prospect.

Matthew Joseph's of the Lightning's brother.

Pens win this trade by a lot IMO, unless they are eating salary. Kessel is owed $18M on the cap, Galchenyuk is under contract for this year only for $5.8M.





Sorry  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 8:56 pm : link
Galchenyuk is on for only 4.9M
Dallas buys out  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 10:00 pm : link
Nichushkin, clears the way for Pavelski or Zuccarello. NYR fans hope it's Zucc, since that makes the DAL pick a 1st.
The Athletic - Custance  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 10:38 pm : link
loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 12:17 pm : link

Stephen Whyno
‏Verified account @SWhyno
45s45 seconds ago

Deal is official: James Reimer traded from Panthers to Hurricanes for Scott Darling, 6th. And Florida is buying out Darling.
I always liked Kessel.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/30/2019 12:44 pm : link
Pens wouldn't have won those two Cups without him.
PJ I'm pleasently surprised that it hasn't leaked more  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 2:30 pm : link
That guys have agreed to FA deals. I like the whole July 1 frenzy. Thought with the legal tampering period that would change this year.
RE: PJ I'm pleasently surprised that it hasn't leaked more  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14486794 Stu11 said:
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That guys have agreed to FA deals. I like the whole July 1 frenzy. Thought with the legal tampering period that would change this year.


Same here but I'm also a little nervous, rumors are the Canadiens will be doing something big. and they didn't buy anyone out (which I supported since no buyout made sense), so that means either trade or one of the 5 or 6 big name FA's.

I've heard Anders Lee, I prefer Duchene, but what they really need is D, I just don't want to pay Tyler Myers $7M+ per season b/c he's the tallest midget in FA among the available D.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 4:53 pm : link

Frank Seravalli
‏Verified account @frank_seravalli

Veteran goalie Mike Smith has chosen the #Oilers. Hes more or less trading places with Cam Talbot, who as we hinted on Monday, is heading to the #Flames.

More on what that means for Lehner, Mrazek, and the rest of the goalie market on @SportsCentre at 6pm ET.
4:32 PM - 30 Jun 2019
Habs clear space  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 5:13 pm : link
they traded two 2nd's for Shaw in the first place.

I like it. I liked Shaw more than I thought, but he's absolutely expendable.


Canadiens Montral
‏Verified account @CanadiensMTL
18m18 minutes ago

The Canadiens have acquired Chicagos 2nd round pick and 7th round pick in 2020, and the Blackhawks 3rd round pick in 2021, in return for forward Andrew Shaw and the Canadiens 7th round pick in 2021.

DETAILS ➡️ http://goha.bs/2Npe4Fn
RE: The Athletic - Custance  
Rover : 6/30/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14486486 pjcas18 said:
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loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.

You were the one person I wanted to ask about this trade, since you know Galchenyuk.
From what I read, most feel he is like Kessel (lazy defensively, picky about where he wants to play, as in being a center) without the finishing ability or productivity.

From the sounds of it, sounds like PIT got good value given their situation, but that Galchenyuk either will do great and cost too much to re-sign OR the Pens will have his cap space the following season.

What do you think about Galchenyuk?
RE: I always liked Kessel.  
Rover : 6/30/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14486682 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pens wouldn't have won those two Cups without him.

He should have and would have been the Conn Smyth winner in 2016, except the Toronto/Canadian media had a grudge.

That said, his act wore thin, didn't want to play on 3rd line, only with Malkin and his bad defense rubbed off on Malkin.
Also, some feel he is losing his scoring ability and will not age well.
RE: RE: The Athletic - Custance  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14487220 Rover said:
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In comment 14486486 pjcas18 said:


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loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.


You were the one person I wanted to ask about this trade, since you know Galchenyuk.
From what I read, most feel he is like Kessel (lazy defensively, picky about where he wants to play, as in being a center) without the finishing ability or productivity.

From the sounds of it, sounds like PIT got good value given their situation, but that Galchenyuk either will do great and cost too much to re-sign OR the Pens will have his cap space the following season.

What do you think about Galchenyuk?


I love Galchenyuk, and he's absolutely a finisher, it's his asset, wicked wrist shot, sick one-timer, he should be the power play shooter.

But yeah, he's been bad defensively, and slow to learn, so coaches like Julien and Therrien buried him.

Very eager to see what Sullivan does for his game.

I don't think he's a C, so I'd play him next to Crosby and slide Guentzel to the Malkin line, Alex may be the most skilled winger to play alongside Crosby if they do that.
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:14 pm : link
not done. Clearing space and accumulating picks for 2020 draft which not coincidentally is in MTL


Canadiens Montral
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The Canadiens have acquired Anaheims 4th round pick in 2020, in return for forward Nicolas Deslauriers.

DETAILS ➡️ http://goha.bs/2FICgMy

#GoHabsGo
Bob McKenzie  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 7:18 pm : link
thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!
Varmalov could be a fit with NYI  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 7:25 pm : link
if they can add Panarin at around $12M aav and let lehner walk. Would still be ample left over space after that to add a bottom six center.
RE: Bob McKenzie  
Rover : 6/30/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14487296 Metnut said:
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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!

That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.
RE: RE: Bob McKenzie  
Mike in NY : 6/30/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14487324 Rover said:
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In comment 14487296 Metnut said:


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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!


That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.


Because even with Bob and Panarin, Florida is not a playoff team, Islanders are. Not to mention Barry Trotz is no slouch of a Head Coach and New York is more media exposure than Florida.
RE: RE: RE: Bob McKenzie  
KDubbs : 6/30/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14487331 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14487296 Metnut said:


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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!


That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.



Because even with Bob and Panarin, Florida is not a playoff team, Islanders are. Not to mention Barry Trotz is no slouch of a Head Coach and New York is more media exposure than Florida.


Whats the breakdown in attendance for both?
Bob to Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:36 pm : link
makes sense, they have no goalie right now and a lot of cap room.

I think Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:41 pm : link
is a borderline playoff team with Bob and Quennville.

even without Panarin.

Barkov is on the cusp of stardom, if he's not there yet.

Ekblad is a little weak for a #1 overall, but he's a solid top pair D (and is still just 23) along with Mattheson, Yandle, etc.

Trochek, Huberdeau, Dadanov..they have some good players.
I'm hoping Isles drove up the price on BOB enough to get Panarin  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2019 7:51 pm : link
that would be a huge coup. Barzal + Panarin + Trotz plus a very good defense is an excellent foundation to build on. Especially if they could also bring back Lehner.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 8:04 pm : link

Pierre LeBrun
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47s47 seconds ago

Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Bob Stauffer

As @Bob_Stauffer mentioned, Im told all signs point to Brett Connolly signing a four-year deal with the Panthers on Monday
Holy shit if true  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 8:13 pm : link
who would the offer sheet be? Aho? Point?

that takes balls. two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd.


Georges Laraque
‏Verified account @GeorgesLaraque

From what I hear, these will be confirmed tomorrow Duchene-Nashville, Bobrovski-Florida and Pavelski-Dallas. Habs will present an offer sheet! De ce que jentends, ce sera confirm demain, Duchene-Nashville, Bobrovski-Floride et Pavelski-Dallas. Le CH prsentera une offre hostile
7:26 PM - 30 Jun 2019
RE: Bob to Florida  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14487335 pjcas18 said:
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makes sense, they have no goalie right now and a lot of cap room.

yeah Bob to Florida is as close as we have right now to a mortal lock.
If Pavelski does go to Dallas  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 8:19 pm : link
That probably free's up Zuccs. I bet the Devils get in on that and/or Lee if the Isles sign Panarin
Agre Stu  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 8:27 pm : link
I think Pavelski to Dallas means no Zucc to Dallas.


David Pagnotta
‏ @TheFourthPeriod

Looks like Joe Pavelski will sign a three-year contract with Dallas tomorrow. Sounds like the AAV will be in the neighborhood of $7M.
8:24 PM - 30 Jun 2019
Sounds like Zucc is headed to Minnesota  
Anakim : 6/30/2019 8:27 pm : link
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RE: Sounds like Zucc is headed to Minnesota  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14487431 Anakim said:
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Yep just saw that. He wants 5 years. Probably too steap for the Devs. I expect them to hone in on Lee if the Isles sign Panarin and Varlomov
RE: RE: Sounds like Zucc is headed to Minnesota  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14487438 Stu11 said:
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Yep just saw that. He wants 5 years. Probably too steap for the Devs. I expect them to hone in on Lee if the Isles sign Panarin and Varlomov

It's a 5 year deal for Zuccarello with an AAV of $6 million. That's too long for me.

Interesting  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 8:45 pm : link
I think NJ will be busy tomorrow. A lot of agents think theyre a prime candidate to put out an offer sheet or two. https://t.co/KZhsimnMd9

Gord Miller (@GMillerTSN) June 30, 2019


They can apparently shift the compensation to a year later if theyre missing a pick, or so its been rumored.

Tyler Kelley (@DocKelley41) June 30, 2019
Quite a few offer sheet candidates  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 9:04 pm : link
compensation is heavy (I believe it's 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd) if the offer sheet is over $8M per, which for the guys I'm talking about it would be, if it goes over $10.5 it costs 4 1sts.

but would you give that up for:

Aho?
Point?
Marner?
Rantanen?

I say yes to all 4 (under 10.5). They're all 23 or younger and already stars.

Matthew Tkachuk?
Timo Meier?
Brock Boeser?
Charlie McAvoy?
more...

Laine? I think he's eligible.

not sure. but I'd think hard about it.



Preds and Habs  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 9:13 pm : link
in on Lee.

Habs and possibly Wild in on Gardner.

two solid players, but will get overpaid.

Hope Bergevin sets a line and won't cross it.
RE: Quite a few offer sheet candidates  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14487478 pjcas18 said:
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compensation is heavy (I believe it's 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd) if the offer sheet is over $8M per, which for the guys I'm talking about it would be, if it goes over $10.5 it costs 4 1sts.

but would you give that up for:

Aho?
Point?
Marner?
Rantanen?

I say yes to all 4 (under 10.5). They're all 23 or younger and already stars.

Matthew Tkachuk?
Timo Meier?
Brock Boeser?
Charlie McAvoy?
more...

Laine? I think he's eligible.

not sure. but I'd think hard about it.



I agree with you if it's under 10.5 for all 4 of those players without thinking twice. I would do it for Laine also.
....  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 9:27 pm : link
Sounds like Richard Panik will be heading to WSH on a four-year contract. AAV could be somewhere north of $2.5M.

Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) July 1, 2019
Another  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 9:27 pm : link
It sounds like Matt Duchene will join the #preds. Expect his contract to come in with an $8M AAV.

Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) July 1, 2019
Mckenzie  
KDubbs : 6/30/2019 9:31 pm : link
Tweets the Rags believe they are still alive with Panarin.
Sounds like Panarin will be an Islander  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 9:32 pm : link

Hockey Insider
@HockeyRumor
Sources just told be. NYR dropped out. Panarin will be an islander tomorrow. #NYR #CBJ #Isles
9:14 PM Jun 30, 2019 Twitter for iPhone
RE: Mckenzie  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14487534 KDubbs said:
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Tweets the Rags believe they are still alive with Panarin.


Will suck if the Rangers end up getting him
.  
Anakim : 6/30/2019 9:49 pm : link

John Shannon
@JSportsnet

The Blue Jackets are still trying to convince Artemi Panarin to return to Columbus. Still hoping theres a chance.
Looks like a 3 team race.
CBJ. NYI. Florida.
12mil  
Giantfootball025 : 6/30/2019 9:52 pm : link
is a lot for a great player, but not a franchise player. Stay the course for the Rangers.
This would explain why the Rangers aren't in the running:  
Anakim : 6/30/2019 9:55 pm : link
Renaud Lavoie
@renlavoietva

Hearing AAV could be $13M. Dont know if its the exact number but the biddings are high.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 10:02 pm : link

Brian Hedger
‏Verified account @BrianHedger
4m4 minutes ago

Confirming Duchene to #Preds $8m for 7 ... hearing #CBJ offered Duchene more than $8 mill/year. That one, however, was always going to be an uphill fight.

Duchene is apparently building a house in Nashville & talked openly about liking that city/area a lot.
Adding a 27 year old elite  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 10:09 pm : link
talent for just cap space isnt something a lot of teams have a chance to do. Isles have to go all-in to get this done. Im fine with $13M AAV.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 10:14 pm : link
Perry and Pavelski added to Benn, Seguin, Radulov....with Bishop and that young D core and the young forwards.

Stars moving up to West Conference favorite by winning July.


theScore NHL
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21s21 seconds ago

Report: Perry to sign 1-year deal with Stars https://thesco.re/2Xj8U28

Luke Schenn  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 10:25 pm : link
to TBL.

I wonder how they're going to respond to the playoff debacle.
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