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pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:12 am
Thought I'd start a thread for general NHL Draft discussion.

Date: 6/21
Where: Vancouver

The story of the draft so far is that American players are set to dominate the early portion of the draft.

Besides projected #1 Jack Hughes, I've seen as many as 6 of the top 10 projected as American players.

Who are they?

Hughes (C) projected #1, everyone knows him

Cole Caufield has been routinely called the "best goal scorer" in the draft. and he helped himself out in a major way at the U18's in April. I'm still leery of a 5' 7" NHL player, but Alex Debrincat (who Caufield is often compared to) maybe helped dissuade those concerns with his 40 G/76P season as a 21-year old.

Alex Turcotte, another American C, does everything IMO, he can score, play defensively, and is a good skater.

Trevor Zegras, has played W and C, not sure what he is in the NHL, oozes skill and manages to combine it with a hard nose style and good hockey IQ

Matthew Boldy, a LW, he might be my favorite non-Hughes American draftee, I see him as a Ryan O'Reilly type with how he approaches the game, so smart, so skilled, just not a C.

Spencer Knight, #1 rated goalie and if he goes this high would be a rarity, the NHL has moved away from 1st round goalies as a norm

other US notables:

Cam York (beast D, in the McAvoy mold)

Bobby Orr Brink (no shit that's his name) - maybe the sleeper of the bunch, loved his play at the U18's

Arthur Kaliyev, goal scorer? check. Not a great skater though. How then does he join Tavares, Stamkos, Skinner, and Debrincat as the only players to score 50 goals in the OHL in their 17/18 year old seasons? Can't argue with the stats, but he's a guy I'd really want to evaluate at the combone.

Alex Vlasic - a massive kid at 6' 6" at 18 years old and cousin to Marc-douard Vlasic, reminds me a little of the Samuelsson's last year (Ulf and Kjell's kids), need some work, but with that size it's not hard to envision.

Draft order, post Trouba trade:

2019 NHL DRAFT FIRST-ROUND ORDER

1. New Jersey Devils

2. New York Rangers

3. Chicago Blackhawks

4. Colorado Avalanche (from Ottawa Senators)

5. Los Angeles Kings

6. Detroit Red Wings

7. Buffalo Sabres

8. Edmonton Oilers

9. Anaheim Ducks

10. Vancouver Canucks

11. Philadelphia Flyers

12. Minnesota Wild

13. Florida Panthers

14. Arizona Coyotes

15. Montreal Canadiens

16. Colorado Avalanche

17. Vegas Golden Knights

18. Dallas Stars

19. Ottawa Senators (from Columbus Blue Jackets)

20. Winnipeg Jets (from New York Rangers)

21. Pittsburgh Penguins

22. Los Angeles Kings (from Toronto Maple Leafs)

23. New York Islanders

24. Nashville Predators

25. Washington Capitals

26. Calgary Flames

27. Tampa Bay Lightning

28. Carolina Hurricanes

29. Anaheim Ducks [or Buffalo Sabres] (from San Jose Sharks)

30. Boston Bruins

31. Buffalo Sabres [or Anaheim Ducks] (from St. Louis Blues)


last few years there havent been many trades but this year seems diff  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2019 9:30 am : link
I think a lot of the teams near the cap are going to be worried about RFA's getting poached - particularly Toronto and Tampa - and will be proactive trading to get value for whoever they don't think they can sign long term. Trouba was probably moved in part for that reason. WPG was only projected to have about $1m in cap room, with modest RFA deals for Laine, Trouba, and Connor and Myers as a FA. Vegas with Karlsson.

As an Islander fan I'm hoping Lou trades Leddy for some extra draft picks in future years and then puts a $10.6m offer sheet on someone's 23 year old 60+ point forward. Unless they feel confident they can get Panarin, I'd rather pay the 2 first rounders and get a younger player and pay for as few years 30+ as possible. Marner is the guy everyone talks about but I think the Leafs will match anything on him, but offering on Laine, Point, etc. would put those teams in a real cap bind.
Of the international  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:32 am : link
players, everyone knows Kappo Kakko by now.

He's neck and neck with Hughes, but a very different player.

It's like comparing Patrick Kane and Jaromir Jagr.

The Canadians also have a major impact on this draft as you'd expect with the firs name probably off the board future top pair D:

Bowen Byram

Then they have 3 big centers in:
Kirby Dach
Dylan Cozens
Peyton Krebs

Dach is a tank, but lacks a little in the skating department. I could live with any of these 3.

Russia has one first round prospect.

Visali Podkolzin. His stock dropped post-U18's. He was projected #3 for a while. I like him, no idea about the disappearing act in the U18's, but not at 3.

Sweden has a couple, my favorite is D Filip Broberg. Best D at the U18's and a lesser Dahlin IMO. Might need to stay in Sweden another year.

My sleeper pick is Maxim Cajkovic from Slovakia. You want to find your Kucherov in the 2nd round, this is the guy I'd roll the dice on. But right now, he's all offense. I think he's projected to go in the 3rd.






PJ this draft seems really loaded  
Stu11 : 6/18/2019 9:33 am : link
I'd love to see the Devs use their 3 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st
RE: last few years there havent been many trades but this year seems diff  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14475347 Eric on Li said:
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I think a lot of the teams near the cap are going to be worried about RFA's getting poached - particularly Toronto and Tampa - and will be proactive trading to get value for whoever they don't think they can sign long term. Trouba was probably moved in part for that reason. WPG was only projected to have about $1m in cap room, with modest RFA deals for Laine, Trouba, and Connor and Myers as a FA. Vegas with Karlsson.

As an Islander fan I'm hoping Lou trades Leddy for some extra draft picks in future years and then puts a $10.6m offer sheet on someone's 23 year old 60+ point forward. Unless they feel confident they can get Panarin, I'd rather pay the 2 first rounders and get a younger player and pay for as few years 30+ as possible. Marner is the guy everyone talks about but I think the Leafs will match anything on him, but offering on Laine, Point, etc. would put those teams in a real cap bind.


Leddy to MTL is picking up steam.

Or just every defenseman to MTL is picking up steam.
RE: PJ this draft seems really loaded  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14475351 Stu11 said:
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I'd love to see the Devs use their 3 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st


This year is considered average overall.

Sometimes drafts are top heavy where the top 10 is great and that skews the opinions of people and I won't pretend to know almost anyone outside the top round or round and a half, but from writers I trust, they say this is an average draft. Which is good IMO, because most of these scouts/writers who would say that are always negative.
PJ  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 9:44 am : link
are the Islanders known to be shopping Leddy? if so, why?
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14475359 bigbluehoya said:
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are the Islanders known to be shopping Leddy? if so, why?


I've read for the cap space. Here is one blurb, unsourced by Dreger, so likely opinion.

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May not cost much to acquire Leddy

Scrimmage & Stats: Darren Dreger on TSN 690 believes that it would take a team a draft pick or prospect for defenseman Nick Leddy as the New York Islanders need the salary cap space.
More Kakko takes needed  
Anakim : 6/18/2019 9:48 am : link
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RE: More Kakko takes needed  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:50 am : link
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lol, I didn't type anything about Hughes or Kakko really, everyone who would read this thread is probably very familiar with them by bow.
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pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:51 am : link
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lol, I didn't type anything about Hughes or Kakko really, everyone who would read this thread is probably very familiar with them by bow.


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RE: PJ this draft seems really loaded  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14475351 Stu11 said:
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I'd love to see the Devs use their 3 2nd rounders to move back into the 1st

I'm a big fan of Mackenzie Blackwood but it Spencer Knight falls to the 20's I hope the Devils package their first 2nd and either the last 2nd or a 3rd to move up to get Knight.

If Knight doesn't fall that far then I would love to see the Devils trade up for a defenseman or a wing if one falls.

An undersized but talented goalie who should be available in rounds 3-5 is Dustin Wolf. The Devils need to draft another goalie for the system because it is very thin at the moment with only Cormier and Senn as prospects. Neither is likely to be more than AHL depth so adding another prospect especially in the mid to late rounds would be ideal.
Knight  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:55 am : link
reminds me of Carey Price.

Almost peaceful in net and he's better handling the puck than some defenseman I've seen.

Goalie projection is so hard though, however Knight is a guy I'd make the exception for and take in the 1st.
Leddy is definitely available bc the Islanders have #'s crunch on D  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2019 9:55 am : link
They currently have 7 NHL D under contract for next year - all played 18+ mpg last year - and they have Dobson who is basically ready (along with a few other guys at bridgeport).

On the left side they have Leddy, Pelech, Hickey, and Toews. Generally Pelech/Hickey were the 2 guys who alternated sitting in the booth but in the playoffs Pelech played well on the top pair with Pulock.

On the right side they have Pulock, Mayfield, and Boychuk - and Dobson is a RD.

Leddy's the guy that makes the most sense but his contract is actually very good so I'd hope he can return something in the ballpark of what Muzzin returned. 3 years left at $5.5m, through his age 31 year. He was their #2 D last year by ice time and points and he improved a lot defensively, but if they want to re-invest some money or assets into more scoring he's the guy they can afford to deal.

They could also deal Mayfield to open up a RD spot for Dobson but he's their best defensive defenseman and his contract is the biggest steal in hockey (4 more years @1.4m) so it would take a large overpay. His contract makes him uniquely sort of perfect for what a team up against the cap like Toronto needs but I personally wouldn't trade him unless the offer was insane.
Stu  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 9:56 am : link
The Devils signed C prospect Jesper Boqvist last week. He was their 2nd round pick in 2017. He's a very fast skater who impressed in the SHL. Hopefully he will win a spot this year because he reportedly said he will head back to Sweden for a year if he doesn't crack the Devils roster.
RE: Knight  
Jay on the Island : 6/18/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14475378 pjcas18 said:
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reminds me of Carey Price.

Almost peaceful in net and he's better handling the puck than some defenseman I've seen.

Goalie projection is so hard though, however Knight is a guy I'd make the exception for and take in the 1st.

Agreed, goalies are so hard to evaluate but Knight seems like a safer bet than usual. I've seen some reports that the Panthers will take him.
RE: RE: Knight  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14475386 Jay on the Island said:
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reminds me of Carey Price.

Almost peaceful in net and he's better handling the puck than some defenseman I've seen.

Goalie projection is so hard though, however Knight is a guy I'd make the exception for and take in the 1st.


Agreed, goalies are so hard to evaluate but Knight seems like a safer bet than usual. I've seen some reports that the Panthers will take him.


I was just reading some stuff about trades and the Senators traded Lehner and Ben Bishop. I didn't remember that.

Lehner they at least got a 1st, but Bishop maybe a 4th?

Goalies sometimes take a while to develop.
Here is a really good full mock draft  
JPinstripes : 6/18/2019 10:32 am : link
from the Hockey Writers Larry Fisher.

2019 NHL Draft: Consensus Last Minute Mock - ( New Window )
Cole Caufield  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 6/18/2019 10:51 am : link
is better than DeBrincat. I don't care how big he is. He is going to score.

Zegras is a tremendous talent, outstanding playmaker with remarkable vision.

Kaedan Korczak, Ryan Johnson and Henry Thrun are three defensemen I have hopes for the the Second or Third Round.
Trade Flyers and Sharks - Draft Pick Related  
JPinstripes : 6/18/2019 12:01 pm : link
Adam Kimelman
‏Verified account @NHLAdamK
1m1 minute ago

Flyers continue to remake their defense, acquiring Justin Braun from the Sharks for 2nd round pick in 2019 and 3rd round pick in 2020. Sharks now have their first pick at No. 41, had been No. 91, third-to-last pick in 3rd round
I definitely  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 12:35 pm : link
think Gostibehere gets moved now.

Love him in MTL, but I doubt that happens.

MTL has their sites set more on an older, less mobile D (shocker) in Alex Edler.

Wow I hope the Flyers do this and for this amount  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 12:39 pm : link
no secret I'm not a Hayes fan, and I think WIN regrets that trade since he pretty much no-showed in the playoffs.


Bob McKenzie
‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie

Its not yet a done deal but PHI continues to work toward a long-term contract for pending UFA centre Kevin Hayes and, for now anyway, theres a sense of optimism. Stay tuned. Curious on the market value for Hayes. Six years at north of $6.5 million perhaps?
12:02 PM - 18 Jun 2019
pjcas18  
Jints in Carolina : 6/18/2019 1:07 pm : link
any news or rumors that you hear involving the Canes? I keep hearing that Justin Faulk could be moved. I know we have the 28th pick, but we also have 10 picks, the most of any team this year. I think some trades could be in the works.
RE: pjcas18  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14475653 Jints in Carolina said:
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any news or rumors that you hear involving the Canes? I keep hearing that Justin Faulk could be moved. I know we have the 28th pick, but we also have 10 picks, the most of any team this year. I think some trades could be in the works.


Yeah, there are a few teams with 10 picks, I expect them all to be active (as they can be).

I haven't read about Faulk (though he's always on a list of trade rumors - as are all CAR D) but with some steam I heard Dougie Hamilton could (will) be on the move again.

Another D I'd like in MTL, but I've read he's got a very quirky personality and doesn't fit in a lot of places. A hockey locker room (probably like most sports) is a tough place to crack.

I read WIN is the main trade partner right now and Nickolai Ehlers would be going to CAR and draft picks will be involved - not sure which way. I love Ehlers (when healthy) and think that would be a huge trade.

RE: Stu  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14475382 Jay on the Island said:
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The Devils signed C prospect Jesper Boqvist last week. He was their 2nd round pick in 2017. He's a very fast skater who impressed in the SHL. Hopefully he will win a spot this year because he reportedly said he will head back to Sweden for a year if he doesn't crack the Devils roster.


Some Devils "news" if you subscribe to the Athletic (best money I ever spent online)

The Athletics Corey Masisak (subscription required) lays out the possibilities on what the New Jersey Devils can do with their second-round pick (No. 34). With three second-round picks, the 34th pick is a valuable asset that could allow the team to trade into the first round or use to trade for a significant impact player to bolster its team. The scribe looks at past teams in similar positions, including a 2013 trade in which the Buffalo Sabres traded several players and the No. 31 pick for Ryan OReilly.
RE: RE: pjcas18  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14475663 pjcas18 said:
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any news or rumors that you hear involving the Canes? I keep hearing that Justin Faulk could be moved. I know we have the 28th pick, but we also have 10 picks, the most of any team this year. I think some trades could be in the works.



Yeah, there are a few teams with 10 picks, I expect them all to be active (as they can be).

I haven't read about Faulk (though he's always on a list of trade rumors - as are all CAR D) but with some steam I heard Dougie Hamilton could (will) be on the move again.

Another D I'd like in MTL, but I've read he's got a very quirky personality and doesn't fit in a lot of places. A hockey locker room (probably like most sports) is a tough place to crack.

I read WIN is the main trade partner right now and Nickolai Ehlers would be going to CAR and draft picks will be involved - not sure which way. I love Ehlers (when healthy) and think that would be a huge trade.


I also read Hamilton to Toronto maybe for Nylander.

All speculation at this point, but I expect him to be moved.

I did just read the Canes approached Faulk for an extensions and want to get it done by 7/1, so I'd be a little surprised if he's traded. he was great in the playoffs, I expect he'd get some interest though. He and Slavin both looked good IMO.

Will the Devils announce before being on the clock?  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 2:07 pm : link
Does that happen typically in the NHL draft?
Phillies  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 2:55 pm : link
deal grit in Radko Gudas, get back steady play in Niskanen.

Not sure I get this for either team, but maybe WAS wants to see Tom Wilson stay on the ice and out of the box and figures with Gudas someone else will rough it up a little.
Should be  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 2:56 pm : link
Flyers. Not Phillies.
RE: Will the Devils announce before being on the clock?  
JPinstripes : 6/18/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14475729 Chris684 said:
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Does that happen typically in the NHL draft?


I would imagine they announce on draft night as the ratings should be very good with all the excitement around the two marquee players Hughes and Kappo. As a NYR fan I can't wait until we are on the clock. #Kappo #IloveHughesAlso
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Jints in Carolina : 6/18/2019 3:22 pm : link
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any news or rumors that you hear involving the Canes? I keep hearing that Justin Faulk could be moved. I know we have the 28th pick, but we also have 10 picks, the most of any team this year. I think some trades could be in the works.



Yeah, there are a few teams with 10 picks, I expect them all to be active (as they can be).

I haven't read about Faulk (though he's always on a list of trade rumors - as are all CAR D) but with some steam I heard Dougie Hamilton could (will) be on the move again.

Another D I'd like in MTL, but I've read he's got a very quirky personality and doesn't fit in a lot of places. A hockey locker room (probably like most sports) is a tough place to crack.

I read WIN is the main trade partner right now and Nickolai Ehlers would be going to CAR and draft picks will be involved - not sure which way. I love Ehlers (when healthy) and think that would be a huge trade.




I also read Hamilton to Toronto maybe for Nylander.

All speculation at this point, but I expect him to be moved.

I did just read the Canes approached Faulk for an extensions and want to get it done by 7/1, so I'd be a little surprised if he's traded. he was great in the playoffs, I expect he'd get some interest though. He and Slavin both looked good IMO.


thanks for the info!
I want nothing to do with any of the remaining  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 5:26 pm : link
trade targets:

Marleau
Zaitsev
Perry
Lucic
Hayes


Maybe Zucker or Brodie but it depends on cost.
RE: I want nothing to do with any of the remaining  
JayBinQueens : 6/18/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14475931 pjcas18 said:
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trade targets:

Marleau
Zaitsev
Perry
Lucic
Hayes


Maybe Zucker or Brodie but it depends on cost.


What do you think MTL would give back for Leddy?
Have never seen either prospect play  
Oscar : 6/18/2019 6:03 pm : link
Couldnt scout them worth a damn if I had. Based solely on what Ive read I would like the Devils to draft Hughes. This doesnt seem like Nico/Nolan round two where the long time presumptive #1 pick (Nolan) kind of faded during the draft process and the other guy flew up the board. Kakko made a lot of noise and seems like a really good prospect but Hughes still seems like hes everything you want and will be a great #1 pick.

USA, NTDP U18 Team  
JPinstripes : 6/18/2019 6:13 pm : link
It will be a banner draft for the USA, NTDP U18 team.

Jack Hughes expected 1st overall selection.
Potentially 8 first round picks.
15 players listed as USA, NTDP U18 expected to be drafted

Here is the list:
Jack Hughes (LC, USA, NTDP U18)
Alex Turcotte (LC, USA, NTDP U18)
Trevor Zegras (LC, USA, NTDP U18)
Matthew Boldy (LW, USA, NTDP U18)
Cole Caufield (RW, USA, NTDP U18)
Cam York (LD, USA, NTDP U18)
Alex Vlasic (LD, USA, NTDP U18)
Spencer Knight (G, USA, NTDP U18)
Marshall Warren (LD, USA, NTDP U18)
Henry Thrun (LD, USA, NTDP U18)
Drew Helleson (RD, USA, NTDP U18)
Cameron Rowe (G, USA, NTDP U18)
Judd Caulfield (RW, USA, NTDP U18)
Cade Webber (LD, USA, NTDP U18)
Michael Gildon (LW, USA, NTDP U18)
Well the Rangers' trading Pick #20  
Jay in Toronto : 6/18/2019 7:16 pm : link
has reduced the drama, unless we trade Kreider for a pick.
RE: RE: I want nothing to do with any of the remaining  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14475949 JayBinQueens said:
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trade targets:

Marleau
Zaitsev
Perry
Lucic
Hayes


Maybe Zucker or Brodie but it depends on cost.



What do you think MTL would give back for Leddy?


Drouin?

LOl, wishful thinking.

2nd round pick and a prospect, maybe.

How bad is his contract?
LOL. Imagine paying Kevin Hayes 7M after that clunker of a playoffs  
Anakim : 6/18/2019 10:08 pm : link
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
PHI and pending UFA Kevin Hayes are closing in on a multi-year contract with an AAV of around $7M. Term expected to be at least six years, perhaps seven. Prepare to take another UFA off the board.
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JayBinQueens : 6/18/2019 10:29 pm : link
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trade targets:

Marleau
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Lucic
Hayes


Maybe Zucker or Brodie but it depends on cost.



What do you think MTL would give back for Leddy?



Drouin?

LOl, wishful thinking.

2nd round pick and a prospect, maybe.

How bad is his contract?

I believe its 5.5 for 3 more years.

Hes still a strong pick moving D man
Thornton  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 2:01 am : link
back for a 22nd season.

Jumbo Joe looked decent in the playoffs.

It's like he and Chara having a stare down to see who retires first.

Both heading into their 22nd seasons.

Thornton a few years younger.
RE: LOL. Imagine paying Kevin Hayes 7M after that clunker of a playoffs  
Metnut : 6/19/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14476223 Anakim said:
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Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
PHI and pending UFA Kevin Hayes are closing in on a multi-year contract with an AAV of around $7M. Term expected to be at least six years, perhaps seven. Prepare to take another UFA off the board.


Brock Nelson had a better season last year, more balanced 2-way player, and had a better playoffs IMO. Glad to see that the Isles extension is already proving to be better than the market.
RE: RE: LOL. Imagine paying Kevin Hayes 7M after that clunker of a playoffs  
JayBinQueens : 6/19/2019 9:28 am : link
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Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
PHI and pending UFA Kevin Hayes are closing in on a multi-year contract with an AAV of around $7M. Term expected to be at least six years, perhaps seven. Prepare to take another UFA off the board.



Brock Nelson had a better season last year, more balanced 2-way player, and had a better playoffs IMO. Glad to see that the Isles extension is already proving to be better than the market.


7 years 50 mil (7.14/year) per Mckenzie
Saturday  
Jay in Toronto : 6/19/2019 9:32 am : link
Anyone know how long the second day is supposed to go?
How are you feeling this morning  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 10:05 am : link
PJ?
Wow  
Jay in Toronto : 6/19/2019 10:16 am : link
a band of Jays!!!!

:)
Obviously that's pretty rich  
Kyle in NY : 6/19/2019 10:28 am : link
for Hayes, but not too far off from what I'd have felt comfortable giving him. Maybe 1-2 years too long and a million per too much, but Philly has to pay that extra amount to keep him from testing the open market.

And Hayes was really good last season. I'm not really sure what happened in Winnipeg, he was dropped down to the 4th line in the playoffs despite decent production (16 points in 26 games). But sometimes it's just tough to adjust in the short time after deadline deals. I wouldn't hold that small sample against him.

Point is, Philly definitely overpaid but not by that much IMO. I am a bit surprised to see him back with AV though. Never got the sense that those two had a great relationship.
RE: How are you feeling this morning  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 10:58 am : link
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PJ?


What happened? Im in work meetings all morning
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Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 11:17 am : link
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What happened? Im in work meetings all morning

You posted at 2am that you were drinking.
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pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 11:20 am : link
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What happened? Im in work meetings all morning


You posted at 2am that you were drinking.


LOL,. rough morning. Yeah, I had a men's league hockey game at 8:50, got home after 1am. burn off 1000 calories at hockey and drink 2000 after.
Vegas is trying to move David Clarkson's contract  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 11:30 am : link
He has 1 year and $5.25 million remaining and they are desperate for cap room.

This is exactly the type of move the Devils should be making. I would do it for a prospect or a 2nd round pick this year or next to eat that deal. Or the Devils could acquire Colin Miller from Vegas and take on Clarkson's contract also to lower the asking price.
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Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 11:31 am : link
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What happened? Im in work meetings all morning


You posted at 2am that you were drinking.



LOL,. rough morning. Yeah, I had a men's league hockey game at 8:50, got home after 1am. burn off 1000 calories at hockey and drink 2000 after.

I used to do the same thing years ago. Hangovers get worse with age.

What position do you play?
I play D now  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 11:41 am : link
Because Im old. My team is all in our 40s. Last night (its like this every summer) we played a team of 19/20 year olds. Its fun but humbling
Figure I'll drop this here  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
but Anaheim has bought out the contract of Corey Perry.
Someone will pay him  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 1:10 pm : link
and if you want grit, Perry is your guy, but he's like a west coast Marchand IMO.

I want nothing to do with him
Montreal to host  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 2:51 pm : link
2020 draft.

Jesse Puljujrvi requested a trade.

EDM wants an established 3rd line player in return.

Probably similar status to Yakupov IMO at this point, without the top pick pedigree.

He's been a bust, but he's 21, so someone will give him a shot.
RE: Montreal to host  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 3:18 pm : link
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2020 draft.

Jesse Puljujrvi requested a trade.

EDM wants an established 3rd line player in return.

Probably similar status to Yakupov IMO at this point, without the top pick pedigree.

He's been a bust, but he's 21, so someone will give him a shot.

NJ makes a lot of sense. They could offer Miles Wood in exchange for him.
RE: I play D now  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14476652 pjcas18 said:
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Because Im old. My team is all in our 40s. Last night (its like this every summer) we played a team of 19/20 year olds. Its fun but humbling

I have to get back into it. I'm 38 and I played all through high school and into college but I haven't played in about 10 years. I was a goalie exclusively until college then I played some D and forward.

RE: Vegas is trying to move David Clarkson's contract  
bigbluehoya : 6/19/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14476632 Jay on the Island said:
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He has 1 year and $5.25 million remaining and they are desperate for cap room.

This is exactly the type of move the Devils should be making. I would do it for a prospect or a 2nd round pick this year or next to eat that deal. Or the Devils could acquire Colin Miller from Vegas and take on Clarkson's contract also to lower the asking price.


You can count me in on this for NYR as well.
RE: RE: I play D now  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2019 3:52 pm : link
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Because Im old. My team is all in our 40s. Last night (its like this every summer) we played a team of 19/20 year olds. Its fun but humbling


I have to get back into it. I'm 38 and I played all through high school and into college but I haven't played in about 10 years. I was a goalie exclusively until college then I played some D and forward.


I have a goal to play until I'm 50. It's actually more fun now than high school and college.
RE: RE: RE: I play D now  
Davisian : 6/19/2019 4:15 pm : link
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I have a goal to play until I'm 50. It's actually more fun now than high school and college.



Still having a blast at 47 in my sunday night league.

Definitely feel it into Wednesday's now, but It's just too damn fun.

I'll probably get the call on Friday. Maybe 4th round.


I'm 51 and still play  
timintey : 6/19/2019 5:28 pm : link
not the oldest on my team either... and we have a 19 year old on the team too. I'll still get out there until they drag me off the ice, though the 10:40 games are not as easy as they used to be..
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Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 6:24 pm : link
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Because Im old. My team is all in our 40s. Last night (its like this every summer) we played a team of 19/20 year olds. Its fun but humbling


I have to get back into it. I'm 38 and I played all through high school and into college but I haven't played in about 10 years. I was a goalie exclusively until college then I played some D and forward.




I have a goal to play until I'm 50. It's actually more fun now than high school and college.

I might have to switch back to forward because playing goalie puts alot of stress on the knees and back. I do miss it and many of my high school teammates still play on a men's league team and they're always asking me if I want to join.

As you know it's just tough to find time with work, a wife, and two young kids.
RE: RE: Vegas is trying to move David Clarkson's contract  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2019 6:25 pm : link
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He has 1 year and $5.25 million remaining and they are desperate for cap room.

This is exactly the type of move the Devils should be making. I would do it for a prospect or a 2nd round pick this year or next to eat that deal. Or the Devils could acquire Colin Miller from Vegas and take on Clarkson's contract also to lower the asking price.



You can count me in on this for NYR as well.

I think the Rangers will be looking to add a big name like Panarin so they can't afford to take on Clarkson's contract if they want to make a significant signing in free agency.
With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Stu11 : 6/20/2019 10:27 am : link
God I'd love the Devs to jump on that. Makes too much sense though so it will probably never happen
RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Jay on the Island : 6/20/2019 10:36 am : link
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God I'd love the Devs to jump on that. Makes too much sense though so it will probably never happen

There have been unsubstantiated rumors today that they are very interested. It makes a lot of sense assuming the price is right.
RE: I'm 51 and still play  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14477202 timintey said:
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not the oldest on my team either... and we have a 19 year old on the team too. I'll still get out there until they drag me off the ice, though the 10:40 games are not as easy as they used to be..


So funny, the rink I play in has 8 sheets of ice, but we still play at 10pm. The latest we have games is 10:50 and someone always has a mysterious "back issue" for those games. We call it 10-50-itis.

a lot of guys on my team have a goal to play at least one season with their sons, which is cool, I don't have a son, and no way I'd expose my daughter to the shit show that is beer league hockey.
RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14477670 Jay on the Island said:
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God I'd love the Devs to jump on that. Makes too much sense though so it will probably never happen


There have been unsubstantiated rumors today that they are very interested. It makes a lot of sense assuming the price is right.



Subban is constantly on the block, if I had to pick a favorite player in the league (as a person and player) it's him or Carey Price.

Seeing Carey and that kids whose mom died on stage at the NHL awards last night was pretty awesome.
RE: RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Jay on the Island : 6/20/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14477700 pjcas18 said:
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Subban is constantly on the block, if I had to pick a favorite player in the league (as a person and player) it's him or Carey Price.

Seeing Carey and that kids whose mom died on stage at the NHL awards last night was pretty awesome.

Price is one of my favorite players after seeing all he did for that kid at such a difficult time in his life.

As for Subban, the Devils acquiring him would all but guarantee that the Hall re-signs with them. I just can't imagine the package that it would take to acquire him. I'm assuming it would start with Butcher/Severson, Vatanen, Coleman, Zacha, and probably a 1st and another pick.
RE: RE: RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Stu11 : 6/20/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14477710 Jay on the Island said:
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Subban is constantly on the block, if I had to pick a favorite player in the league (as a person and player) it's him or Carey Price.

Seeing Carey and that kids whose mom died on stage at the NHL awards last night was pretty awesome.


Price is one of my favorite players after seeing all he did for that kid at such a difficult time in his life.

As for Subban, the Devils acquiring him would all but guarantee that the Hall re-signs with them. I just can't imagine the package that it would take to acquire him. I'm assuming it would start with Butcher/Severson, Vatanen, Coleman, Zacha, and probably a 1st and another pick.

Jay that package is way heavy. At 9 mill per the market is limited for him. Will take our #2's and a prospect or 2. Maybe Severson or Zacha. Dont see Coleman getting dealt
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Jay on the Island : 6/20/2019 11:27 am : link
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Subban is constantly on the block, if I had to pick a favorite player in the league (as a person and player) it's him or Carey Price.

Seeing Carey and that kids whose mom died on stage at the NHL awards last night was pretty awesome.


Price is one of my favorite players after seeing all he did for that kid at such a difficult time in his life.

As for Subban, the Devils acquiring him would all but guarantee that the Hall re-signs with them. I just can't imagine the package that it would take to acquire him. I'm assuming it would start with Butcher/Severson, Vatanen, Coleman, Zacha, and probably a 1st and another pick.


Jay that package is way heavy. At 9 mill per the market is limited for him. Will take our #2's and a prospect or 2. Maybe Severson or Zacha. Dont see Coleman getting dealt

You're probably right I have no idea what his market value is. I have no issue dealing Vatanen as he is a FA at season's end and I don't see them bringing him back. I would prefer to keep Severson as he did improve last year and he is locked up on a solid deal.

I don't like giving up Butcher but if it gets us Subban I would be willing to do it with Ty Smith and Jeremy Davies signing their ELC's. Is Vatanen, Nashville's 2nd back, a 2nd in 2020, and Michael McLeod enough?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Stu11 : 6/20/2019 11:52 am : link
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Subban is constantly on the block, if I had to pick a favorite player in the league (as a person and player) it's him or Carey Price.

Seeing Carey and that kids whose mom died on stage at the NHL awards last night was pretty awesome.


Price is one of my favorite players after seeing all he did for that kid at such a difficult time in his life.

As for Subban, the Devils acquiring him would all but guarantee that the Hall re-signs with them. I just can't imagine the package that it would take to acquire him. I'm assuming it would start with Butcher/Severson, Vatanen, Coleman, Zacha, and probably a 1st and another pick.


Jay that package is way heavy. At 9 mill per the market is limited for him. Will take our #2's and a prospect or 2. Maybe Severson or Zacha. Dont see Coleman getting dealt


You're probably right I have no idea what his market value is. I have no issue dealing Vatanen as he is a FA at season's end and I don't see them bringing him back. I would prefer to keep Severson as he did improve last year and he is locked up on a solid deal.

I don't like giving up Butcher but if it gets us Subban I would be willing to do it with Ty Smith and Jeremy Davies signing their ELC's. Is Vatanen, Nashville's 2nd back, a 2nd in 2020, and Michael McLeod enough?

Doubt McLeod is of much interest seeing as his star has fallen. Vatanen would be an interesting piece there because it still gives them nice cap relief and a nice top 4 dman to help them continue to contend. The match just makes too much sense. The Devs have a gaping hole at #1 D and have the assets and tons of cap space to get it done. As a cherry on the sundae his deal has 3 years left and ends right around the time we'd have to pay up for Nico/Hughes
RE: RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Jay in Toronto : 6/20/2019 12:21 pm : link
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God I'd love the Devs to jump on that. Makes too much sense though so it will probably never happen


There have been unsubstantiated rumors today that they are very interested. It makes a lot of sense assuming the price is right.




Subban is constantly on the block, if I had to pick a favorite player in the league (as a person and player) it's him or Carey Price.

Seeing Carey and that kids whose mom died on stage at the NHL awards last night was pretty awesome.


Subban has an amazing philanthropic profile. Reminds me of Jean Bliveau -- who was one-of-a-kind
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: With murmurs that PK Subban is available  
Jay on the Island : 6/20/2019 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14477772 Stu11 said:
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Doubt McLeod is of much interest seeing as his star has fallen. Vatanen would be an interesting piece there because it still gives them nice cap relief and a nice top 4 dman to help them continue to contend. The match just makes too much sense. The Devs have a gaping hole at #1 D and have the assets and tons of cap space to get it done. As a cherry on the sundae his deal has 3 years left and ends right around the time we'd have to pay up for Nico/Hughes

That's true I just thought that with the pick and Vatanen they might be willing to roll the dice on McLeod who has a lot of speed and at worst he is a solid 4th line center. I'd be willing to give up more since Subban has 3 years left on his deal and he will be 33 when it expires. His performance should match his play over that period.

The Devils are in need of a legitimate 1st line right side defenseman. Severson is better suited as a second pairing defender as if Vatanen if he remained. The Devils are solid on the left side with Butcher, Ty Smith, Andy Greene, Jeremy Davies, and Mirco Mueller.

Butcher and Subban as the first pairing is exciting especially with two more offensive defensemen in Smith and Severson behind him.

Awful news for Ryan Callahan  
Davisian : 6/20/2019 6:15 pm : link
He's going to have to retire due to a degenerative back disease.

Here is the link  
SJGiant : 6/20/2019 7:39 pm : link
For the Callahan story
Callahan story - ( New Window )
RE: Awful news for Ryan Callahan  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2019 8:31 pm : link
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He's going to have to retire due to a degenerative back disease.

Rough news for a solid player
Ok Rangers fans...  
rnargi : 6/21/2019 8:12 am : link
...is today Krieder's last day as a Ranger? Personally I hope not.
I'm kvelling  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 8:27 am : link
After Hughes, the next two names will be playing for the Badgers (including D'Andre Miller). They should be fun to watch!
pjcas  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 8:39 am : link
" Jaromir Jagr."


From your lips .....
RE: Ok Rangers fans...  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14478754 rnargi said:
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...is today Krieder's last day as a Ranger? Personally I hope not.


Apparently Gorton has a sense of what it would take to sign him and that will be a major determinant. As well what they could get for him (perhaps including one of the 3 D vets they would like to unload).
RE: I'm kvelling  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14478770 Jay in Toronto said:
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After Hughes, the next two names will be playing for the Badgers (including D'Andre Miller). They should be fun to watch!


OK Weird to reply to my own post, but consider this addenda:

Five @BadgerMHockey players have been invited to the World Junior Summer Showcase by USA Hockey: Defensemen Ty Emberson and K'Andre Miller, and forwards Cole Caufield, Owen Lindmark and Alex Turcotte.

Eight current #Badgers are drafted. Starting Friday, there could be up to five more. Watch on NBC Sports Network starting Friday at 7 pm CT.

(including Jack Gorniak, PJCAS)!

honestly, I always suspected this kind of ending for Callahan  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2019 9:05 am : link
He played a game much too rugged for his frame. Not surprising that it's caught up to him. He was a guy who played all out all the time and maximized relatively modest talent to have a very nice career.
Kreider  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 9:21 am : link
according to Brooks his agent has not been talking with Gorton.

Haven't seen whether any team has been allowed to deal with Kreider on an extension.

2020 is supposed to be an awesome draft. Perhaps a 2020 first rounder will be the way to go.

Looking  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:53 am : link
forward to tonight after being out of "access" the past two days.

Hope there is some drama (good drama).
RE: Looking  
JPinstripes : 6/21/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14478956 pjcas18 said:
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forward to tonight after being out of "access" the past two days.

Hope there is some drama (good drama).


The drama starts at pick 3 for the Hawks.

1.NJ - Hughes
2.NYR - Kakko
3.CHI - Zargas, Turcotte, Bryam or Dach?
I think CHI  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 11:06 am : link
goes Bryam at 3, but any of those guys could be the pick.

Maybe they surprise and pick Caufield.

But I meant with trades, etc. too.

A lot of rumors swirling.
pjcas  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 11:17 am : link
what is your favourite site for rumours? TSN?
PJ's Canadians just acquired Ghost  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 11:20 am : link
Renaud Lavoie: The @CanadiensMTL have acquired Shayne Gostisbehere from the @NHLFlyers. Draft picks going back.
RE: PJ's Canadians just acquired Ghost  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14479011 Anakim said:
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Renaud Lavoie: The @CanadiensMTL have acquired Shayne Gostisbehere from the @NHLFlyers. Draft picks going back.



Never mind. Fake account.
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 11:23 am : link
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what is your favourite site for rumours? TSN?


TSN, twitter, sportsnet
LOL  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 11:31 am : link
Berube is no Herb Brooks, but this pre-game speech before game 7 in Boston is great.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: pjcas  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 11:54 am : link
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what is your favourite site for rumours? TSN?



TSN, twitter, sportsnet


Thanks don't do much twitter, but whom do yo follow on this?
RE: RE: RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:19 pm : link
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what is your favourite site for rumours? TSN?



TSN, twitter, sportsnet



Thanks don't do much twitter, but whom do yo follow on this?


I follow a ton of hockey accoubts.

the national guys (Friedman, McKenzie, Dreger, LeBrun, Pete Jensen, Gulitti, @NHL) and then local Canadiens guys (Potvin, Kramer, Engels, Arpon Basu, etc.)

other teams beat writers like Joe Haggerty and Kevin Paul duPont (though he's annoying), etc.

and then scouts.
Turcotte looks like the biggest riser  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:25 pm : link
of those charted. Podkolzin faller.

Hughes wire to wire.

Like to see Caufield on here.

.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:26 pm : link

The Point
‏ @ThePointHockey
4m4 minutes ago

Kaako is the clear top winger in this class having progressed into a consensus #2 pick. Podkolzin had a strong WJC tournament but fell in May due to lack of production at the U18s. Caulfield/Brink/Leason/Tomasino have all risen over the back half of the season. #NHLDraft
I'd love  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:29 pm : link
to see Bobby Orr Brink on the Habs, 15 too early though.

Most people predict Finnish D Heinola at 15. I think that's early for him.

I'd rather they took Cam York if they go D.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:34 pm : link
sorry 'bout that thread, pj; this local kid may not have been  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 12:38 pm : link
mentioned here yet, have a lot of reading to catch up on.

LOCAL interest: Trevor Zegras, went to my daughter's HS (Fox Lane) as frosh before transferring to Avon Old Farms in CT. He's likely to go in the 1st Round, maybe.
NTDP U-17: 20 goals 59 points in 56 games
NTDP U-18: 26 goals 78 points

Fun night coming up all around.
ahh, pj's no dope, now I see Trevor is noted in the OP  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 12:39 pm : link
time to start over!!
I love Zegras too  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:45 pm : link
so many American kids going in the first, might be a record.

My only issue with Zegras, and it's a little bit with Caufield too, is Zegras played a little bit with Hughes and Caufield played all year alongside Hughes.

Did Hughes lift them up?

I don't think so, but it's worth looking into.

Matthew Boldy too.

I don't think Turcotte played on a line with Hughes, but I think they played on the PP together, but being a C, I have less question on Turcotte.

Mostly it was Boldy, Hughes and Caufield, and Zegras/Boldy with some swapping back and forth to the Turcotte line.
Alex Edler  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 12:57 pm : link
re-signed in VAN. Was on a few teams radars if he hit FA.
Crap  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:14 pm : link
the one team here is MTL.

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Dan Kingerski
‏ @TheDanKingerski

The Kris Letang chatter is getting heavy. Heres one team which made a serious inquiry:
not sure I've seen mentioned the Swiss d-man  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 1:19 pm : link
who excelled in the recent IIHF Worlds in Slovakia, can't recall his name. Positionally sound, tough, good skater
RE: not sure I've seen mentioned the Swiss d-man  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:24 pm : link
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who excelled in the recent IIHF Worlds in Slovakia, can't recall his name. Positionally sound, tough, good skater


Broberg. Should go top 10.
RE: RE: not sure I've seen mentioned the Swiss d-man  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
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who excelled in the recent IIHF Worlds in Slovakia, can't recall his name. Positionally sound, tough, good skater



Broberg. Should go top 10.


Sorry, you said Swiss. Broberg is Swedish.
In case anyon didn't see  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:34 pm : link
the Carey Price moment from the NHL Awards, the video is here.
Link - ( New Window )
watched him (the Swiss) in parts of a couple games  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 1:36 pm : link
and there were + comments, but not going to muddle through that thread to find the name.....

and talk of you all farts (I'm waaayyy more farty) strapping them up again and going out for the late night games has me drooling....with envy...been a long time
RE: In case anyon didn't see  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 1:42 pm : link
good stuff!!
RE: watched him (the Swiss) in parts of a couple games  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:45 pm : link
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and there were + comments, but not going to muddle through that thread to find the name.....

and talk of you all farts (I'm waaayyy more farty) strapping them up again and going out for the late night games has me drooling....with envy...been a long time


The only Swiss draft eligible D that was at the worlds is Janis Jrme Moser. I don't remember him standing out, but I also don't remember watching any Switzerland games. He's ranked 101 by Central Scouting, he'll be drafted.
I know it'll never happen  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:08 pm : link
But I would love to see the Devils acquire another early 1st round pick to get Cole Caufield also.

The Devils need help at RW and Caufield is an exciting player to develop. He's also familiar with Hughes and showed nice chemistry with him.

The Devils made a similar move a few years ago when they took Michael McLeod in round 1 then took his teammate Bastian in round 2.
RE: In case anyon didn't see  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14479211 pjcas18 said:
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the Carey Price moment from the NHL Awards, the video is here. Link - ( New Window )

I'm not crying you're crying.
Pj  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 2:09 pm : link
I think it was Pronman who said Brink is his tightest call in Round 1
It might not seem significant for some  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:11 pm : link
but I can imagine the profound impact that Price's actions will have on this kids life.
I'm at work so I can't really look  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:12 pm : link
but what big names are rumored to be on the move today/tonight?
I think Hughes is a great leader, as well as insane skater and player  
Phil in LA : 6/21/2019 2:14 pm : link
and I think he lifted up the whole US program - even the guys who weren't his linemates.
RE: I think Hughes is a great leader, as well as insane skater and player  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14479257 Phil in LA said:
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and I think he lifted up the whole US program - even the guys who weren't his linemates.

You can't go wrong with Hughes or Kakko. Kakko is the more NHL ready player but Hughes has a huge upside as well. Hughes can play in the NHL right away but he needs alot of time in the weight room.

Hischier was similar in terms of body type when he came out. Hughes is the star the Devils need to attract players in the future. Hughes and Hischier ould be one of the best 1-2 center duo's in the NHL for the next decade.

RE: I'm at work so I can't really look  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14479255 Jay on the Island said:
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but what big names are rumored to be on the move today/tonight?


Who knows and it doesn't need to happen at the draft though teams generally get more active around now, it can happen any time before 7/1.

Letang, Mrazek, Dougie Hamilton (and every Hurricanes D), Subban, Ehlers, Kreider, Backes (hate to see someone bail the Bruins out on that contract)
Hughes is NHL  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 2:26 pm : link
ready. I know what you mean, from a physical maturity standpoint, but he will be on an NHL roster day 1 (assuming health), and he'll thrive IMO from day 1.

Yeah, I agree that Hughes will thrive from the start.  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 2:31 pm : link
He'd actually be the better get for the Rangers, but I'm not crying about Kakko...he'll be a force too.
Kakko will be the greatest NHL player of all time  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2019 2:36 pm : link
And anyone saying differently is a hater.
I'm in access hell right now due to work  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 2:52 pm : link
Anyone have a stream suggestion that would work for the Draft?
RE: I'm in access hell right now due to work  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14479297 Torrag said:
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Anyone have a stream suggestion that would work for the Draft?


NBC Sports is streaming it live.


NHL Draft Stream - ( New Window )
Thx  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 3:18 pm : link
I just watched Shero in the Devs final pre draft mini coverage series. The one thing of interest to me was he said the current readiness to step in wasn't really a factor in the decision but rather the long term projection for the player.

IMO this negates one of the advantages Kakko holds over Hughes at this time as long as you believe in Hughes work ethic which doesn't appear to have any doubters.
Bathroom humour  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 3:31 pm : link
McInoe in the AThletic

"Rangers going to have a guy named Kakko go number two on a stage in front of thousands of people and you dont have to think thats funny but me and my eight-year-old will be over here laughing until our faces hurt"
.  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 3:34 pm : link
Jimmy Murphy
@MurphysLaw74
Just heard an interesting trade rumor via an NHL source that would involve #NYR goalie Henrik Lundqvist. Trying to get more info now, but not sure I can imagine the King anywhere else but in New York! Wow!
Just a link  
SJGiant : 6/21/2019 3:44 pm : link
from today's Rangers trade rumors
Rangers Trade rumors - ( New Window )
Interesting Athletic article  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 4:07 pm : link
I liked it better when Chiarelli was in charge in Boston.

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Harman Dayal
‏ @harmandayal2
3h3 hours ago

After compiling tons of data and expected pick values, my latest for The Athletic analyzes every NHL team's drafting since 2014 as well as every prospect pool.

https://theathletic.com/1033678/2019/06/21/behind-the-numbers-an-analysis-of-every-nhl-teams-recent-draft-history/



Not sure if this will show up, it's on the Athletic site (but I think twitter too):



Rangers blurb, they're not even on here.

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...Theres one team that wont show on this chart and thats the New York Rangers. Thats simply because theyve yet to receive above replacement level value from this era. Their 2014 to 2016 picks have combined for just five NHL games to this point which is quite underwhelming even after considering the fact that they didnt own a first-round pick during this time frame. New Yorks results should improve in due time as the 2017 class looks to have landed a couple of solid NHLers in Filip Chytil and Lias Andersson, although they wont show here because they havent been above replacement value yet....


Here is the key:





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Conclusion

All told, hopefully, the prospect pool data provides some added context for some of the results above. Among contending teams, Boston and Tampa Bay are irrefutably the kings of drafting during this span with the Predators as another competitive team thats not too far behind. The Stars, Red Wings and Rangers have had major issues although, in New Yorks case, theyve turned things around in recent times. Edmontons drafting leaves much to be desired beyond the Draisaitl pick, while similar sentiment can be expressed for the Sabres whove added little value outside of the first and second overall picks theyve owned in this time frame. Rebuilding teams that have drafted well include the Toronto Maple Leafs, Vancouver Canucks, Winnipeg Jets and Philadelphia Flyers.


Link - ( New Window )
This would be awesome if it wasn't a joke  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 4:15 pm : link
I think GM's should actually do this.


Ryan Hana
‏ @RyanHanaWWP
52s53 seconds ago

Discussing the rumors surrounding Detroit's pick, and @BradKrysko joked that Yzerman just gave random names to some of his staff to find the leaker and fire them.

If Yzerman is #GoT seasons 1-4 Tyrion, give Detroit the Cup now.

If he's seasons 7-8 Tyrion...God help us all.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 4:19 pm : link

Adrian Dater
‏Verified account @adater
10s10 seconds ago

More buzz Im hearing about Barrie and Canucks. Tanev name has bubbled up. More rumblings as I hear them @ColHockeyNow
RE: Kakko will be the greatest NHL player of all time  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14479281 BrettNYG10 said:
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And anyone saying differently is a hater.

Unless the Devils surprise everyone and take Kakko 1st. Then Hughes is the greatest player of all time.
The stats above are quite a condemnation of the work that Slats  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 4:29 pm : link
and Gordie Clarke have done. Trading #1s though is on Sather's head.
I hope if Ryan Callahan  
SJGiant : 6/21/2019 4:45 pm : link
Is forced to take a buyout because of his medical condition, that the Rangers honor the former captain this year
RE: I hope if Ryan Callahan  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14479426 SJGiant said:
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Is forced to take a buyout because of his medical condition, that the Rangers honor the former captain this year

It's possible that a team takes his contract in exchange for a draft pick. There were rumors last week that the Devils had interest in trading for him in exchange for a draft pick or prospect. This would create much needed cap room for them to sign Point to an extension.
Kadri is a POS  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:20 pm : link
I wouldn't give up much for him.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well.
2:10 PM - 20 Jun 2019
.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:20 pm : link

Pierre LeBrun
‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun
Jun 20

Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Darren Dreger

Im told Carolina and Toronto recently had a chat about a deal involving Kapanen and Brown going to the Canes in a package involving Pesce. But I dont think Carolina wants to move Pesce at this point. That could change of course ...
Clark wasn't the problem.  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 5:23 pm : link
The #41 overall in 2015 and #59 in 2013 were the ONLY 2nd Round picks they made spanning the 2013 through 2016 drafts.

Prior to that Gordie Clarks 1st round selections were Skjei(#28), JT Miller(#15), McIlrath(#10- his only significant 'miss') and Chris Kreider(#19) dating back through the 2009 draft.

As I've said before Gordie Clark has done a good job for the organization as head scout given that he made only 4 mid to late Round 1st round selections in eight years prior to 2017 and 9 total selections through two rounds in the same time frame.

Sather was the problem not Clark.
Yeah, I lean that way too, Torrag. God, what miserable  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 5:35 pm : link
decisions he made in chasing a Cup.
Here is a link  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:37 pm : link
with a decent draft review from Sam Cosentino a few days ago.

Though, he now says CHI is leaning KIrby Dach at #3
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Kadri is a POS  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14479464 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't give up much for him.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well.
2:10 PM - 20 Jun 2019

I want no part of Kadri. Kapanen on the other hand would fill a big hole for NJ. Vatanen and John Quenneville for Kapanen?
RE: RE: Kadri is a POS  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14479484 Jay on the Island said:
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I wouldn't give up much for him.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well.
2:10 PM - 20 Jun 2019


I want no part of Kadri. Kapanen on the other hand would fill a big hole for NJ. Vatanen and John Quenneville for Kapanen?


I like Kapanen but Leafs should be more desperate than that. They need to sign Marner.
pj  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:42 pm : link
what do you think about Kapanen? Is he going to be a solid player like he was last year or was that just a product of playing with all those stars? Could his career be similar to Palmieri where he just needed a change of scenery and a bigger role to produce.
I'd be willing to eat a bad contract  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:43 pm : link
to lower the price for Kapanen just not Zaitsev.
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14479486 Jay on the Island said:
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what do you think about Kapanen? Is he going to be a solid player like he was last year or was that just a product of playing with all those stars? Could his career be similar to Palmieri where he just needed a change of scenery and a bigger role to produce.


I don't think his linemates carry him like whoever plays wing with Crosby gets carried, but you play with Auston Matthews you will get an uplift in production.

I like Kapanen though and very little of his points came on the PP.

I think just one goal.

I think he's a 60-point player in the right situation, who is not a defensive liability.
RE: RE: pj  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14479489 pjcas18 said:
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what do you think about Kapanen? Is he going to be a solid player like he was last year or was that just a product of playing with all those stars? Could his career be similar to Palmieri where he just needed a change of scenery and a bigger role to produce.



I don't think his linemates carry him like whoever plays wing with Crosby gets carried, but you play with Auston Matthews you will get an uplift in production.

I like Kapanen though and very little of his points came on the PP.

I think just one goal.

I think he's a 60-point player in the right situation, who is not a defensive liability.

Sounds like a Devils type then. It wouldn't surprise me if Shero pulls a trade for him tonight. It's unlikely the Devils use all three of their 2nd round picks.


Shero traded a 2nd for Palmieri and a 2nd and 3rd for Marcus Johnansson. Kapanen is very similar to those two in terms of draft position and production.
I think  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:54 pm : link
it might be different now. Maybe more fan friendly.

but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford, CT (1994) and it was maybe the most boring sporting event I have ever been to and second place (a pre-season NFL game) is not even remotely close.

RE: I think  
JayBinQueens : 6/21/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14479494 pjcas18 said:
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it might be different now. Maybe more fan friendly.

but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford, CT (1994) and it was maybe the most boring sporting event I have ever been to and second place (a pre-season NFL game) is not even remotely close.



With how long they take between picks, I cant see how going to the draft is fun, unless your team has a top 10 pick
RE: RE: I think  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14479512 JayBinQueens said:
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it might be different now. Maybe more fan friendly.

but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford, CT (1994) and it was maybe the most boring sporting event I have ever been to and second place (a pre-season NFL game) is not even remotely close.





With how long they take between picks, I cant see how going to the draft is fun, unless your team has a top 10 pick


It was free then, I guess in an effort to keep the Whalers, but holy shit it was boring. No idea if there is a fee now, or if it's more fan friendly.

they had the Stanley Cup there, so that was cool to see the cup up close, but otherwise I don't advise attending it to anyone.
30 minutes roughly  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 7:28 pm : link
from draft start.
Wow  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:08 pm : link
That Devils Draft Party has like 50 people there total
Bettman  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:09 pm : link
getting boed mercilessly brings out the Sedins to curtail the boos,
.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:09 pm : link

Adam Herman
‏Verified account @AdamZHerman
3m3 minutes ago

Vesey & BUF still look like "A Thing." Doesn't mean a deal is happening or even close, but that campfire is still burning.

Alex Nylander has been linked, and makes plenty of sense. Buffalo doesn't have a 2nd-round pick this year. Would they move 31st overall? Wouldn't bet on it.
Bettman  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:13 pm : link
antagonizing the crowd now. He should take a lesson from Goodell and just ignore it.
Pick is in  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:16 pm : link
for Devils, NYR on the clock
Hughes  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:18 pm : link
to Devils, no surprise
Kaapo Kakko  
JPinstripes : 6/21/2019 8:21 pm : link
Welcome to the New York Rangers! #Kakko #LGR
The draft presentation  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 8:21 pm : link
is pretty terrible. No highlights after Hughes was announced. The Sedins and Shero were so dull on the microphone.
RE: The draft presentation  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14479602 Jay on the Island said:
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is pretty terrible. No highlights after Hughes was announced. The Sedins and Shero were so dull on the microphone.


I agree, it's not a spectator event IMO, but that place looks packed.

Sedins were always boring stars.

They have shown a bunch of Hughes highlights leading up to the pick.
Rangers pick  
SJGiant : 6/21/2019 8:24 pm : link
Is in
Rangers announce  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:24 pm : link
Kakko
There's our boy!  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:25 pm : link
.
LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:27 pm : link
That's just sad, man
on NBCSN, KK's notes  
ChaChing : 6/21/2019 8:27 pm : link
Elite complete wing

Room for Improvement: None

sounds good lol
RE: LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14479616 Anakim said:
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That's just sad, man


they looked like the exact same sizes, the Devils was outside. they maybe even had more people.
Really happy with Hughes  
Oscar : 6/21/2019 8:28 pm : link
Devils are in great shape, exciting times.
Blackhawks  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:29 pm : link
pick in
Dach  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:30 pm : link
to Blackhawks
RE: LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
Stu11 : 6/21/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14479616 Anakim said:
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That's just sad, man

Huh? Give it a rest. I'll never argue the fan bases are anywhere close in size but from those angles they seemed pretty similiar.
RE: RE: LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14479618 pjcas18 said:
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That's just sad, man



they looked like the exact same sizes, the Devils was outside. they maybe even had more people.


Are you serious? The Devils party looked like it had 200 people. The whole half of MSG was PACKED.
I really wish the Devils could come away  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 8:34 pm : link
with Cole Caufield as well.
I'd be surprised  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:34 pm : link
if the Av's go D, but Byram might be too hard to pass up, but I'd go Turcotte or Zegras here.
Come the sixth pick, that's when we get to Kreider territory  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:34 pm : link
.
RE: RE: LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
JPinstripes : 6/21/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14479623 Stu11 said:
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That's just sad, man


Huh? Give it a rest. I'll never argue the fan bases are anywhere close in size but from those angles they seemed pretty similiar.


Ranger fan here and I agree and don't get trying to one up the other teams fan base, it's dumb. The Devils and Rangers are the winners of the draft tonight with these 2 phenomenal players.
RE: RE: RE: LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14479626 Anakim said:
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In comment 14479616 Anakim said:


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That's just sad, man



they looked like the exact same sizes, the Devils was outside. they maybe even had more people.



Are you serious? The Devils party looked like it had 200 people. The whole half of MSG was PACKED.


After they announced the Hughes pick they showed the Devils party reaction and it looked like the same size crowds.

I don't care anyway.
Byram  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:36 pm : link
to the Avs.
Byram-Makar will be sick  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:37 pm : link
.
Picks 3-8  
JPinstripes : 6/21/2019 8:38 pm : link
are all similar in value.
RE: Picks 3-8  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14479634 JPinstripes said:
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are all similar in value.


If you believe the Hockey Writers, the Rangers really like Dylan Cozens
Kings  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:41 pm : link
announcing pick.

Expect Turcotte.
Turcotte  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:42 pm : link
announced to Kings.

Love this kid, maybe my favorite player in the draft.
RE: Turcotte  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14479637 pjcas18 said:
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announced to Kings.

Love this kid, maybe my favorite player in the draft.



He's no Kaapo Kakko
Holy shit  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:45 pm : link
Alfie Turcotte looks and sounds exactly like Artie Lange
Prefer the  
XBRONX : 6/21/2019 8:47 pm : link
NBA and NFL draft, just call the names. Who needs the teams whole front office coming on stage.
RE: RE: Turcotte  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14479639 Anakim said:
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announced to Kings.

Love this kid, maybe my favorite player in the draft.




He's no Kaapo Kakko


I didn't say best player, I said my favorite.

I like the gritty players, someone who has skill, but can play physical - like a Forsberg (Peter).

Wow  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:48 pm : link
Anakim's boy Mortiz Seider goes #6, much earlier than anticipated.
RE: Prefer the  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14479641 XBRONX said:
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NBA and NFL draft, just call the names. Who needs the teams whole front office coming on stage.


It's an homage to the scouts. I mean the scouts travel across North America and across Europe to find players. It's more of an international sport than either basketball or football.
RE: Wow  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14479643 pjcas18 said:
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Anakim's boy Mortiz Seider goes #6, much earlier than anticipated.


I just love the idea of having a big, mean, nasty German on your team. Haha
Good for Seider  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 8:53 pm : link
I just came aware of him at the juniors. He can skate, hit and I like his hands. He could be really good. IMO he's just as worthy as the other prospects in consideration in the 6-15 range.
Cozens  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:54 pm : link
to Sabres.

every year I feel like they're building a good young squad.

and every year they suck.
So  
SJGiant : 6/21/2019 8:56 pm : link
When are the trades coming?
RE: So  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14479655 SJGiant said:
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When are the trades coming?


I read a few teams may look to get back into the 1st.

but like last year I don't know that player trades will have to happen today.

Pacioretty wasn't traded until September last year.
Broberg  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:59 pm : link
to the Oilers.

See my Buffalo comment.

I guess Caufield, Boldy, York and Knight may fall out of top 10. Well I expect they could go in the next couple picks (two of them)

mini run on defensemen  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:01 pm : link
a bit of a surprise but the nhl draft is a crapshoot once the elite level guys go off the bvoard.
I do think Zegras and Caufield come off in the next several selections  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:03 pm : link
...
Zegras  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:04 pm : link
to the Ducks

CT kid - mentioned above.
3 Americans so far in the top 9  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:05 pm : link
3 in the first round is the most ever so that will be smashed tonight.
RE: RE: LOL. Look at our draft party compared to the Devils party.  
Mr. Bungle : 6/21/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14479623 Stu11 said:
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That's just sad, man


Huh? Give it a rest. I'll never argue the fan bases are anywhere close in size but from those angles they seemed pretty similiar.

When your team hasn't won a Cup in a quarter of a century, I guess some people need to grasp onto something, like draft party crowd sizes. You know, the important stuff.
Canucks  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:10 pm : link
take Podkolzin, once the consensus #3, dropped.

2 years left in KHL
By the time Podkolzin comes over in two years...  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:13 pm : link
...he'll be a beast. Well worth the wait. Nice pick.
Here's a trade  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 9:15 pm : link
Coyotes move up to the Flyers spot
Flyers pick  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:16 pm : link
traded.

you asked, you shall receive.

Coyotes on the clock.

11 for 14 and 45.
Once we get past the 15-18 pick range Kreider could come into play  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:19 pm : link
If the Rangers are seriously considering moving him. I thought we might be targeting Seider there TBH but that boat set sail early.
Traded up  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:20 pm : link
for Soderstrom. I like him, but IMO not worth trading up for when York or Soderstrom would probably be there at 14.
Teams worried the D run could sap the depth there if they wait  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:21 pm : link
So they continue to come off the board earlier than anticipated imo.
Surprised  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:23 pm : link
Cole Caufield is still there.

If he doesn't go at 12 or 13 I'd love the Habs to trade up for him.

If the Habs can get Boldy, Caufield or York at 15 that would be awesome.

I like Peyton Krebs too, but man an Achilles tear is scary to me.
Achilles is the absolute worst injury  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:25 pm : link
but I hear it was a 'partial tear' that he'll play this year. That 'might' be a different recovery outlook? Especially with such young guys.
Boldy to the Wild  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:25 pm : link
great pick, big kid, good skill, he's going to be good.
RE: Boldy to the Wild  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14479689 pjcas18 said:
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great pick, big kid, good skill, he's going to be good.


Millis, MA kid - one town over from me.
Pronman loves Boldy  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 9:31 pm : link
And Caufield
Spencer Knight  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:32 pm : link
goes to Panthers.

highest goalie pick in a while.

this goalie is legit.

Caufield one pick from the habs. York will be there too.
Another  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:34 pm : link
CT kid.
I'd love any of the American  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:36 pm : link
players, Kaliyev, York, Caufield.

I'd be cool with Newhook, etc.

even look for a trade partner to move back a couple picks and get a 2nd or 3rd.
I think  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:36 pm : link
Philly takes Caufield.
Not sure  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:37 pm : link
what this means:


David Pagnotta
‏ @TheFourthPeriod
5s5 seconds ago

In addition to Leddy & Hickey, Islanders forward Josh Ho-Sang is very much in play.
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Flyers  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:38 pm : link
take York.

Damn, would have loved him on the Habs.

3 Americans in a row.
Caufield  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:39 pm : link
sitting there for the habs.

Krebs too.

Kaliyev, Newhook, a few other really good players here.
all hail KK for NYR  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 9:40 pm : link
and Broberg is going to be a stud!
Nice  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:44 pm : link
ovation for Shea Weber.

Habs take Caufield!!!!
Gratz pj  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 9:46 pm : link
Caufield is a steal at #15. Best value in the Draft to this point imo.

What a night for USA hockey. 8 of the top 15 from the national program. Wow.
I still think  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:49 pm : link
Bobby Brink and Kaliyev (at least) go in the 1st. Maybe Vlasic and Beecher too.

Avs  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:51 pm : link
add Byram and Newhook.

to that young core.

holy shit.
LVG  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:56 pm : link
got a steal if Krebs does in fact come all the way back. And he should.
RE: Avs  
Davisian : 6/21/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14479721 pjcas18 said:
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add Byram and Newhook.

to that young core.

holy shit.


My beer league teammates are gonna be insufferable out here
RE: RE: Avs  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14479729 Davisian said:
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In comment 14479721 pjcas18 said:


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add Byram and Newhook.

to that young core.

holy shit.



My beer league teammates are gonna be insufferable out here


Just be glad they lost the lottery. If they got Hughes or Kakko it would be a lot worse.

I love watching MacKinnon play, glad I don't live there so I have to hate him.
Thomas Harley  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:02 pm : link
to the Stars.

Dual citizen, born in Syracuse, but selected Canadian citizenship.

Puck moving D, they have a solid group of young D.
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 10:04 pm : link
what a great pick for the Habs. Caufield falling to 15 is a great get for Montreal. Congrats pj
RE: Wow  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14479741 Jay on the Island said:
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what a great pick for the Habs. Caufield falling to 15 is a great get for Montreal. Congrats pj


I still prefer the taller players, but no denying talent.

and I feel better about the size when a team like the Bruins has 4 sub-6-foot defenseman
I feel like that  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:11 pm : link
pick was very early for the Senators to take Thompson.

Not from me scouting him, but just basically all the mocks had him going bottom of the 1st or falling to the 2nd.

but I guess what's the difference between a guy you like a 30 vs 19. this isn't the NFL.
PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 10:12 pm : link
Now you have 2 reasons to be a Badger fan ;)
Isles take Homstrom from Sweden  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:33 pm : link
McKenzie hates it.

I think he'll be an NHL player, but in a few years.
Bruins  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:47 pm : link
are going to luck into Kaliyev or Brink.

Bobby Orr Brink playing for the Bruins is sort of poetic, but I'd hate it.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14479750 Jay in Toronto said:
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Now you have 2 reasons to be a Badger fan ;)


I'm a big Granato fan too.
Come on Shero  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 10:51 pm : link
You have three 2nds and two 3rds. Move up for Kaliyev!
There are some good players on the board  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 11:19 pm : link
Devils will have some good options at 34, Kaliyev, Lavoie, Brink, Vlasic,
and Robertson.
9 American  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 11:22 pm : link
Players in the 1st.
Really have to  
XBRONX : 6/22/2019 7:33 am : link
laugh at fans rating players that almost no one has seen play. Maybe a youtube clip.
NY Rangers  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 7:47 am : link
have picks 49, 58 and 68 to start day 2 of the NHL Draft. I think the Rangers go heavy on forwards and here are a few names to keep an eye on.

Albin Grewe (RW/LC, Sweden, Djurgardens J20)
Ilya Nikolayev (LC, Russia, Loko Yaroslavl MHL)
Robert Mastrosimone (LC, USA, Chicago USHL)
Antti Saarela (LC/LW, Finland, Lukko Liiga)
Shane Pinto (RW, USA, Tri-City USHL)
Maxim Cajkovic (RW/LW, Slovakia, Saint John QMJHL)
Ryder Donovan (RC/RW, USA, Duluth-East U.S. High School)
RE: Really have to  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14479830 XBRONX said:
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laugh at fans rating players that almost no one has seen play. Maybe a youtube clip.

So it's basically the same as the NFL draft then.
No everyone has  
XBRONX : 6/22/2019 9:21 am : link
watched major college football. Who watches high school or foreign hockey?
RE: No everyone has  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14479848 XBRONX said:
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watched major college football. Who watches high school or foreign hockey?


I do, what's your point?
Really  
XBRONX : 6/22/2019 9:33 am : link
what channel carries high school hockey?
The point  
XBRONX : 6/22/2019 9:34 am : link
is someone suggesting who is a great draft choice based on someone you have never seen?
RE: No everyone has  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14479848 XBRONX said:
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watched major college football. Who watches high school or foreign hockey?

I wonder how many here have actually seen a single Duke football game.
RE: No everyone has  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14479848 XBRONX said:
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watched major college football. Who watches high school or foreign hockey?

There are many that openly admit that they do not watch college football. It doesn't prevent them from sharing their opinion. I am not going to knock them for that because it's a message board and it's fun to discuss.
what a dumb post XBRONX  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2019 9:49 am : link
many of us have been watching these kids play for the past two years.

against each other in international tournaments or even on their juniors or regular teams.

Almost no one drafted yesterday plays high school hockey (in fact maybe not one player) so your ignorance is on MAJOR display here. So "stay in your lane bro" because this one is not it.

Junior hockey is on multiple channels, professional hockey (KHL (Russia), SM Liga (Finland), SEL (Swedish Elite League), and even the juniors leagues like OHL, WHL, USHL, CHL, QMJHL, etc), are all streamable or even in many cases like the post-season tourneys and the Memorial cup are on TV live. And the USNDTP plays an NCAA schedule they are on TV often, and 9 of the 31 kids taken came from that program.

If you said later rounds sure. There could be high school players drafted and I feel like I know my stuff, but even I only know about into the mid-late second round out of these kids.

but you are away off base with your comment about last night at least.

Doesn't mean people will be right about who they want their team to take last night, there are busts in every sports draft and that is with the people getting paid to make the picks doing it, us fans are bound to be wrong often, but you are way off base with your post.

And also, it's kind of douchy to come on a thread like this for the sole purpose of being a douche.
pj's right  
Phil in LA : 6/22/2019 9:57 am : link
it is easy to see the top hockey prospects play. Not only, are they constantly in tournaments which you can stream. The tournament games are available on YouTube, not just highlight packages, but the entire games. And if you follow Team USA, these days, you are also following Team Canada, Team Sweden, Team FInland, Team Russia and everyone else they play in these tournaments So the coverage is complete and easily accessible.
pj  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 10:10 am : link
FTW
I've seen all the US kids and Kakko  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 10:14 am : link
who went last night in several games this past year. Does that make me an expert? Absolutely not, but their talent is obvious.
BTW I don't want to entertain Anak's lame attack any more  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 10:20 am : link
But the attacks over the years have become tiresome on the Devils fan base and its "non existance" when in fact they've established a really nice base and attendance in the Rock over recent years. Here is a video of the "lame few hundred" fans in Champions plaza last night in Newark as they made the Hughes pick.
Link - ( New Window )
The hockey draft posters are claiming to be 'experts'  
Torrag : 6/22/2019 10:22 am : link
But if you're a fan and delve into the prospects you can certainly form and share an opinion. There is plenty of access to the games these days, unlike ten or fifteen years ago when it was actually difficult.

I remember when the Rangers drafted Jessiman(oops) I tried to find out about him and there just wasn't much available in terms of video. I believe that was in 2002.
I don't know how they would pull this off  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 10:22 am : link
but there are rumors that the Leafs are interested in Subban. Even with Nashville willing to eat approximately 3 million of Subbans AAV I'm assuming Marleau or Kadri would be part of the package to free up money to extend Marner.

I still want NJ to trade for Subban but I would prefer to keep the 34th pick to grab either Lavoie, Brink, Kaliyev, or Vlasic.
The hockey draft posters aren't claiming to be 'experts'  
Torrag : 6/22/2019 10:23 am : link
^^^is how that should have read. Typo city.
RE: I don't know how they would pull this off  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14479890 Jay on the Island said:
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but there are rumors that the Leafs are interested in Subban. Even with Nashville willing to eat approximately 3 million of Subbans AAV I'm assuming Marleau or Kadri would be part of the package to free up money to extend Marner.

I still want NJ to trade for Subban but I would prefer to keep the 34th pick to grab either Lavoie, Brink, Kaliyev, or Vlasic.

If Subban is dealt and its not to the Devs I'm gonna start getting on Shero just a bit. The Trouba thing I totally get. As a guy just 1 year away from UFA he was clearly in more of a position to call the shots and wanted to go to the NYR. With Subban its just about what we're giving up, and why can't we beat a Toronto package especially since Nashville wouldn't have to eat a dollar with us?
Stu  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 10:50 am : link
Here is a video of Hischier, Hall, and Patrick Warburton aka David Puddy congratulating Hughes.
Link - ( New Window )
2nd round starts at 1pm  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2019 11:08 am : link
I'll have to read about it. I'm leaving for the cape now.

and Subban doesn't need to be traded today.

like I mentioned above. Pacioretty was traded in September last year, and the Habs got picks in this draft (and players).

So, if it doesn't happen today it doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

He's still a god in Montreal, I'd love to see him back there, but there are rumors every time his name comes up he's going to play with his buddy Tavares. Or Stamkos. I think the three of them group playing together and against each other.

but reality is I don't see TOR or TBL having the right mix of prospects and space to acquire him.
RE: RE: I don't know how they would pull this off  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14479908 Stu11 said:
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In comment 14479890 Jay on the Island said:


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but there are rumors that the Leafs are interested in Subban. Even with Nashville willing to eat approximately 3 million of Subbans AAV I'm assuming Marleau or Kadri would be part of the package to free up money to extend Marner.

I still want NJ to trade for Subban but I would prefer to keep the 34th pick to grab either Lavoie, Brink, Kaliyev, or Vlasic.


If Subban is dealt and its not to the Devs I'm gonna start getting on Shero just a bit. The Trouba thing I totally get. As a guy just 1 year away from UFA he was clearly in more of a position to call the shots and wanted to go to the NYR. With Subban its just about what we're giving up, and why can't we beat a Toronto package especially since Nashville wouldn't have to eat a dollar with us?

I would be happy with Subban but i would rather try to grab Kapanen. I'd even be willing to take on a contract just not Zaitsev. Marleau would be ideal but I think the leafs want to move Kadri more.

Kapanen would be a very similar acquisition to Palmieri and Johansson. Obviously Palmieri worked out much better but Kapanen would fill a hole on the second line. I'd offer Wood, the Bruins 2nd, Mirco Mueller, and John Quenneville for Kapanen and Marleau.

Hall Hischier Palmieri
Kapanen Hughes Bratt
Boqvist Zajac McLeod
Coleman Zacha Anderson
PJ do you have any specific thoughts on the guy the isles took?  
Eric on Li : 6/22/2019 11:16 am : link
scouting reports seem a little all over the place on him since he's missed so much time due to injury, but I like rolling the dice on upside. Some seem to say he has really high end puck skills and high end skating ability - he seems to have produced at PPG whenever he was healthy, including the WJC. Just seems like he was under the radar because of the injuries.
RE: PJ do you have any specific thoughts on the guy the isles took?  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14479928 Eric on Li said:
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scouting reports seem a little all over the place on him since he's missed so much time due to injury, but I like rolling the dice on upside. Some seem to say he has really high end puck skills and high end skating ability - he seems to have produced at PPG whenever he was healthy, including the WJC. Just seems like he was under the radar because of the injuries.

I like him. He had some injuries. Every time I watched them it was usually to see someone else like dahlin but I noticed him. Only complaint I heard is hed have been available later.
RE: PJ do you have any specific thoughts on the guy the isles took?  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14479928 Eric on Li said:
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scouting reports seem a little all over the place on him since he's missed so much time due to injury, but I like rolling the dice on upside. Some seem to say he has really high end puck skills and high end skating ability - he seems to have produced at PPG whenever he was healthy, including the WJC. Just seems like he was under the radar because of the injuries.

The Isles have done an excellent job drafting recently so I would give them the benefit of the doubt.
RE: PJ do you have any specific thoughts on the guy the isles took?  
Mike in NY : 6/22/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14479928 Eric on Li said:
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scouting reports seem a little all over the place on him since he's missed so much time due to injury, but I like rolling the dice on upside. Some seem to say he has really high end puck skills and high end skating ability - he seems to have produced at PPG whenever he was healthy, including the WJC. Just seems like he was under the radar because of the injuries.


Top 10-15 prospect if he didnt have health issues. The bigger question is did we really need a gamble on a skilled RW when we are so thin at C in the system and you had a safer player in Tomasino. Personally I think the bust rate is so high in NHL that you stockpile the best talent and if you end up with a surplus in one area then trade from your depth for a comparable player at a weaker position. Talent will always be in demand in a trade.
As if watching college games on TV  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 11:25 am : link
makes you an "expert" on the NFL draft? Ludicrous.

Most of us do similar things in both drafts, I imagine -- maybe see a couple of guys on TV a couple of times and curate all the opinions of those who see them more often watch video, talk to scouts etc.
RE: NY Rangers  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14479832 JPinstripes said:
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have picks 49, 58 and 68 to start day 2 of the NHL Draft. I think the Rangers go heavy on forwards and here are a few names to keep an eye on.

Albin Grewe (RW/LC, Sweden, Djurgardens J20)
Ilya Nikolayev (LC, Russia, Loko Yaroslavl MHL)
Robert Mastrosimone (LC, USA, Chicago USHL)
Antti Saarela (LC/LW, Finland, Lukko Liiga)
Shane Pinto (RW, USA, Tri-City USHL)
Maxim Cajkovic (RW/LW, Slovakia, Saint John QMJHL)
Ryder Donovan (RC/RW, USA, Duluth-East U.S. High School)


Nathan Legare, RW, Baie-Comeau-QMJHL =

Boom Boom Geoffrion?
impressions from last night  
ColHowPepper : 6/22/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14479889 Torrag said:
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I remember when the Rangers drafted Jessiman(oops)

- booth on divining why Kaliyev dropping, think that was context, and Pavel Brendl selection came up, another big oops
- and Kaliyev, as choice after choice went by, his mug so sour, thinking there was a read of his head and will that may have dropped him, rank speculation
- contrast between selection aftermaths of Hughes and Kakko, where the former was engaged, effusive, articulate (what an attractive family, two bros to go) with Catherine, whereas NHL Network (apparently) didn't even try to bring KK to a live interview: makes me think language may have been an issue and, more broadly, assimilation to North American and NYC will be a challenge, can't ignore how challenges for a teenager who has lived his hockey life in a comfort zone; also, the jocularity between Hughes and the Devils' brass and what to me seemed a bit of stiffness, maybe awkwardness is a better word, between Rangers' brass and KK
- speaking of the interviews, I thought Catherine (with a K?) was very, very good: articulate, asked candid questions, but sensitive to the selection and where it came. What is her last name, please?
- speaking of the run on d-men, was anyone else bothered by the fact that 90% of the highlights shown were of their goal scoring prowess and zippo on their play in their own end. The one exception was of the choice the primary comp to whom was beloved McDonough, was it Bowen or York?
- loved Seider's reaction to his 'surprise' selection at 6: whooaahhh, didn't see that coming, lol. And, pj, my bad, it was Seider I was thinking of, obviously not Swiss.
- smh at all the talent from Sweden, took the Fins to knock them out last month
- as the draft wound down toward the later picks and highlights were shown of the Cs and Ws, I said, wow, impressive, and then the consensus from the booth, 'a year or two away from the NHL, yup', a certainty. Lesson: gotta take the league, i.e., level of play into account big time in forming opinions
- congrats to Habs and pj on Caulfield, bit bummed as he waited: I said to wife, just wait, they're going to talk about Henri, the Pocket Rocket (doh, but she was impressed (: ): And very classy reaction by him and his mom when Catherine (K?) brought up the NTDP kids selected ahead of him, no animosity, they love each other, all for each other, and then Hughes going to the stage to congratulate Caulfield, a special group.
- and even though this will end on a sour note, you gotta, or I gotta, love the Bruins for all the young, home grown (MA and RI even) talent at their core
fwiw, on the Isles' selection, a bit different from Eric's impression  
ColHowPepper : 6/22/2019 11:47 am : link
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23. New York Islanders: Simon Holmstrom, RW
Team: HV71 Jr. (Sweden Jr.)
Ranking: 37 | Nationality: SWE
Age: 18 | Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 193 | Shot: L
Stats: 21 GP, 7 G, 13 A

Scouting report: Good size and hockey sense have helped Holmstrom lift his draft stock throughout the season. He has a very good shot that he can get off from anywhere. The puck really zips off his stick. His puck skills are OK, and pretty average in terms of one-on-one stick skills, but he gets himself into good positions and helps create space for his linemates. Holmstrom has good physical strength which helps him protect the puck well, and he has a little power element to his game. But does he have enough skill to create on his own? -- Peters

Team fit: Holmstrom has been projected all over the place during the draft process. The Isles have really bolstered their defensive pipeline, so Lou Lamoriello & Co. taking a forward here was not much of a surprise. Holmstrom has been a hard guy on whom to get a read, but he finished the season strong and the Isles won't need him for a few more years anyway. -- Peters

Where Holmstrom is most likely to play in 2019-20: SHL
Eric  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:27 pm : link
I found this

An offensively skilled player who competes hard. Holmstrm is a good skater and stands out with really good hands and impressive puckhandling skills. Quite shifty and a player that can do the unexpected offensively. Has a good wrister and his two-way game is underrated. Great character and team player.

He is trusted to be on the ice in all situations and he is just as good on the box play as he is on the powerplay, Hockeyprospect.com 2019
He has elite acceleration and top speed and he can handle the puck and stickhandle his way through traffic while maintaining high speed, Future Considerations 2019
With the puck on his stick, he can be dazzling, whether deking past defenders, or fooling them with passes from the behind the net, McKeen's Hockey 2019
A deft skater with some explosiveness to his game.. has remarkable passing ability and likes to set up teammates from below the goal line, Draftin Europe 2018
Marleau to CAR, Subban apparently traded too.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2019 12:31 pm : link
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RE: Marleau to CAR, Subban apparently traded too.  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14479970 BrettNYG10 said:
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I wish the Devils made this trade. The Canes acquire a 2020 1st and a 7th and Marleau for a 6th in 2020. The 1st is only top 10 protected. If it's a top 10 they get a 2021 1st.
Marleau  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:34 pm : link
will be bought out.
Things are moving fast:  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 12:34 pm : link
-Marleau dealt to the Canes He will be bought out. The Canes got a 2020 conditional 1st, a 2020 6th
-Everyone thought this may signal PK to the Leafs
-But it sounds like PK was just dealt to the Devs!!!
Subban  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:34 pm : link
is a Devil!
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:38 pm : link
Subban to the Devils for Santini, Davies, and two 2nd's.
Holy Shit  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 12:39 pm : link
depends on which 2nd, but if its not 34 that is a friggen steal
RE: Holy Shit  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14479978 Stu11 said:
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depends on which 2nd, but if its not 34 that is a friggen steal

Even if it's the 34th that's a steal. Nashville is not retaining any salary which helped lower the return. Now we see if Hall is true to his word. He said he wanted the Devils to add talent before he will talk extension.

They added Hughes, Subban plus signed their top two prospects to ELC's D Ty Smith and C Jesper Boqvist
It is  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:47 pm : link
the 34th pick
Hopefully  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 12:51 pm : link
this augers for a great long-term Devils-Rangers quality rivalry, which would be great for everyone :)
The defense is looking much better now  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
Will Butcher PK Subban
Ty Smith Damon Severson
Andy Greene Sami Vatanen
Now let's trade up a few spots  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
for Vlasic to add much needed size to the backend.
RE: RE: Holy Shit  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14479982 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14479978 Stu11 said:


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depends on which 2nd, but if its not 34 that is a friggen steal


Even if it's the 34th that's a steal. Nashville is not retaining any salary which helped lower the return. Now we see if Hall is true to his word. He said he wanted the Devils to add talent before he will talk extension.

They added Hughes, Subban plus signed their top two prospects to ELC's D Ty Smith and C Jesper Boqvist

yep even if its #34 I'd do it 100 times out of 100. They are now in a commanding position with Hall. Id give him till the mid/end of July to let the market shake out to see if he'll talk extension #'s. Otherwise I'd trade him
RE: RE: RE: Holy Shit  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14479988 Stu11 said:
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yep even if its #34 I'd do it 100 times out of 100. They are now in a commanding position with Hall. Id give him till the mid/end of July to let the market shake out to see if he'll talk extension #'s. Otherwise I'd trade him

I couldn't agree more. The last thing they want to do is wait until the deadline so that they only get a late 1st and and 2nd or 3rd for Hall. That's assuming he is healthy at the deadline. If he isn't then they risk losing him for nothing.
Yep Jay not to mention you don't need that clowd  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 1:13 pm : link
Of will he or won't he stay hanging over us from training camp on all season. It's a new era beginning with Hughes/Subban. Either Hall is on board or he isn't.
"Cloud" lol I'm delirious  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 1:14 pm : link
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Good trade for  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:15 pm : link
the Devils.
RE: Yep Jay not to mention you don't need that clowd  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14479991 Stu11 said:
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Of will he or won't he stay hanging over us from training camp on all season. It's a new era beginning with Hughes/Subban. Either Hall is on board or he isn't.

Correct, If he doesn't want to be here then this is Hughes and Hischier's team. Build around them and Palmieri, Ty Smith, Damon Severson, Jesper Boqvist, Will Butcher, Mackenzie Blackwood, Blake Coleman, and Pavel Zacha.
In a surprising twist  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:17 pm : link
The Leafs are close to an extension with Kapanen. 3 years with an AAV between $3.2 and $3.4 million. They still need to create some more room to extend Marner.
Rumor  
SJGiant : 6/22/2019 1:19 pm : link
JT Miller to the Canucks
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RE: Really  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14479856 XBRONX said:
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what channel carries high school hockey?


I watch "foreign" hockey, whatever that means and for curiosity sake - why are you on the thread if you no nothing about the players or have any belief in what takes the boards posters have on the players and other insight?
No = Know  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:21 pm : link
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Damn  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:22 pm : link
Brink went 34th to the Flyers.
It was fun not being in last  
KDubbs : 6/22/2019 1:23 pm : link
For a year as an Isles fan. Still waiting on Lou
Nice deal for the Devils  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:24 pm : link
Subban is 30, but he's still very effective
RE: RE: Really  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14480000 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14479856 XBRONX said:


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what channel carries high school hockey?



I watch "foreign" hockey, whatever that means and for curiosity sake - why are you on the thread if you no nothing about the players or have any belief in what takes the boards posters have on the players and other insight?

Exactly great point. Not to mention if anyone had been on hockey threads all year they'd realize how much PJ, Jay etc...know and follow these amateur guys.
Rangers are bound to take another goalie that no one has ever heard of  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:26 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Really  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14480006 Stu11 said:
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In comment 14480000 JPinstripes said:


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In comment 14479856 XBRONX said:


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what channel carries high school hockey?



I watch "foreign" hockey, whatever that means and for curiosity sake - why are you on the thread if you no nothing about the players or have any belief in what takes the boards posters have on the players and other insight?


Exactly great point. Not to mention if anyone had been on hockey threads all year they'd realize how much PJ, Jay etc...know and follow these amateur guys.

I am no expert, I know 1/1000th of what pj knows. I do follow these tournaments though. Over the years I've invested more time in following young prospects as I enjoy watching prospects grow almost as much as watching the professional teams. Perhaps that's from the Braves and Devils sucking recently so the only hope I had was from the prospects.
That goalie is 6'8!?!?  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:31 pm : link
Jesus Christ
RE: That goalie is 6'8!?!?  
Fast Eddie : 6/22/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14480011 Anakim said:
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Jesus Christ


Somebody drafted the walrus? Lol
Damn  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2019 1:35 pm : link
Devils will be fun to watch next year with Hughes subban hall etc
Did Rangers  
Fast Eddie : 6/22/2019 1:37 pm : link
Make second round picks yet?
Dorofeyev  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:37 pm : link
is a winger I thought would be gone before pick 30. Very talented Russian winger that reminds me of Buchnevich.
RE: Did Rangers  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14480014 Fast Eddie said:
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Make second round picks yet?


Picks 48 and 59 this round.
Thanks jp  
Fast Eddie : 6/22/2019 1:41 pm : link
How close are we to picking?
RE: That goalie is 6'8!?!?  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14480011 Anakim said:
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Jesus Christ

He's a monster. On the other end of the spectrum is U.S. Dustin Wolf. I'm a fan of his but he is only 6'0 160lbs. He is projected to go in rounds 5-7 due to his lack of size but he is a very good goaltender. The Devils system is in desperate need of more goalie prospects. I hope they roll the dice on Wolf especially if he is still on the board in round 6.
RE: RE: Did Rangers  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14480017 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14480014 Fast Eddie said:


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Make second round picks yet?



Picks 48 and 59 this round.



*49, 58
4 picks away  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:42 pm : link
Dorofeyev or Grewe for the Rangers please.....
RE: Thanks jp  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14480018 Fast Eddie said:
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How close are we to picking?


Should be up within the next 3-7 minutes
...  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:43 pm : link
Rangers pick 49 and 58

Devils pick 55 and 61
Thanks Anak  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 1:43 pm : link
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Dammit  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:43 pm : link
My wishlist is all gone. Was really hoping for a trade up for Vlasic but I guess Shero is done with the bold moves for one day.
We're up!  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:46 pm : link
.
Devils not done  
SJGiant : 6/22/2019 1:47 pm : link
Trade
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The pundits like it  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:50 pm : link
Adam Herman
@AdamZHerman

The Rangers take defenseman Matthew Robertson. Not a sexy pick, but a robust one. Good shutdown defenseman (actually) who moves the puck out of his zone quite well. Not much offense but enough to push him through pro hockey.


Aaron Vickers
@AAVickers

Matthew Robertson finally gets called by the New York Rangers at No. 49. That'll be a pick to keep an eye on three years down the road. #NHLDraft



Steve Kournianos
@TheDraftAnalyst

Rangers at 48 take big defenseman Matthew Roberston. Mobile and clean. Lefty.



Jess Rubenstein
@TheProspectpark

I wanted Robertson as the 20th pick because this kid is the perfect compliment to Fox. Has a cannon of a shot, got some snarl to his game and has excellent vision on the ice. Doesn't make mistakes in coverage
Nice pick for the Rangers  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:51 pm : link
A solid defenseman with a big shot.
RE: Holy Shit  
Mr. Bungle : 6/22/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14479978 Stu11 said:
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depends on which 2nd, but if its not 34 that is a friggen steal

Yeah, but the Devils' draft party crowd was small. So why get excited about this?
Pronman  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 1:53 pm : link
liked Robertson. Had him at 25!
RE: Pronman  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14480035 Jay in Toronto said:
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liked Robertson. Had him at 25!


Damn that was Nicholas. MAtthew he had at 35
The Devils just traded  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:56 pm : link
pick 55. I'm at work anyone know what they got in return?
Nevermind  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 1:58 pm : link
it was 55th for 82nd and 91st.
We took Henrik's son?  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 1:59 pm : link
.
Pronman had Henrikson  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 2:05 pm : link
at 83 and questions his speed. Also small.

I wanted Nils Hoglander
Devils take  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 2:09 pm : link
Defenseman Nikita Okhotyuk, the Russian is 6' 1 198lbs
Seems like the best player available by far (per Draft Twitter) is  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 2:14 pm : link
that Doro kid from Russia. How come he's dropping? Russian factor?
okhotyuk  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 2:18 pm : link
is a defensive defenseman. He is very physical in front of the net which is a huge need for the Devils. He doesn't have much of an offensive game but he has potential to be a solid contributor there.

The defenceman likes to rush the puck when he sees an opening. He has very solid balance, and it is very hard for an opposing forechecker to knock him off possession when he decides to take the puck out of the zone. He handles back-pressure well with strong edges, and protects the puck by dropping one shoulder and using his reach.

He is capable of some great skating moves to shake off opponents. Watch him switch the direction of his skates rapidly as he retrieves the puck, confusing forecheckers to escape.
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The Devils now have four 3rd round picks  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 2:19 pm : link
70
80
82
91
RE: Seems like the best player available by far (per Draft Twitter) is  
Mike in NY : 6/22/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14480043 Anakim said:
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that Doro kid from Russia. How come he's dropping? Russian factor?


Russian factor and issue with compete level
Pronman had Jones at  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 2:24 pm : link
54. Skill and intelligence. Smallish for a D man (not a skater).

I dunno -- I'd like some size and guys that are good in their zone, but apparently not the way the game is going.
At 70  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 2:24 pm : link
The Devils take another big Russian defenseman

Daniil Misyul 6'3 176 lbs

He is an excellent skater and a gifted puck rusher , McKeen's Hockey 2019

He cleans the crease effectively to let his goalie see the puck and doesnt let anyone jump on rebounds , Future Considerations 2019

He is a smooth skater, especially for his size. He can show some speed and quickness, but he is also quite agile. His fluid pivots help him keep up with opposing attackers and break their plays while defending off the rush. He also uses his stick effectively in those situations to cut off passing lanes, angle attackers to the boards, and take the puck away.

What he currently lacks in defensive awareness something that should improve thorough his career he makes up for with strong man-to-man defence. He closes in on his coverage, takes away attempts in front of the net by neutralizing opposing sticks, and is generally quite physical despite his relatively slight build. He competes hard and doesnt let other players walk over him, even when he was defending against much older players in his stint in the KHL.
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Jones -skater(?)  
XBRONX : 6/22/2019 2:28 pm : link
Player profile for Zachary Jones (D). ... gifted with four direction skating ability, excellent straight ahead speed and and an aggressive offensive frame of mind.
At 80 Devils take  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 2:53 pm : link
RW Graeme Clarke 6'0 175 lbs

The puck flies off his blade. He doesnt need much of a windeup to pick his spot. He also fires deceptively at times...He has quick hands and can elevate And some limitations: needed to be set up for many of his chances this season...wasnt creatively moving the defence around and creating shooting or passing lanes...his skating holds him back...he lacks the explosiveness or the speed necessary to make his stickhanding moves that much more effective. In the end, St. Louis predicts that he will not hear his name called until at least the third round, but does have potential to become a top six player one day if the chips fall the right way.

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2019/2019/5/12/18537717/graeme-clark-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-video-highlights-stats-scouting-report-analysis

at 82 they take another Defenseman Michael Vukojevic 6'3 212 lbs

Vukojevic is best known for his defensive game. He is solid in his own zone, with the size to play a physical game and clear the front of the net. He reads the play well and is rarely out of position. Vukojevic uses his long stick to cut down passing lanes, especially while killing penalties. His skating ability allows him to play a solid two-way game, especially his strong lateral mobility. He has a decent slap shot but must work on getting it through traffic and on the net. He also shows a good first pass out of the zone. Vukojevic improved offensively this past season, putting up 29 points in 68
games.https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/06/20/2019-nhl-draft-scouting-reports-prospects-81-90/
Shero  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 2:54 pm : link
is obviously focusing on getting more physical on the blue line. All three defenseman drafted are known as big, physical, stay at home types with some offensive potential.

RE: Pronman had Jones at  
Jay in Toronto : 6/22/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14480049 Jay in Toronto said:
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I dunno -- I'd like some size and guys that are good in their zone, but apparently not the way the game is going.

Oops, looks like the other Robertson is one!
I like Misyul  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 3:06 pm : link
the kid makes some plays that make you go wow carrying the puck end to end. NYR 4th round Saarela or Donovan please...
RE: I like Misyul  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14480071 JPinstripes said:
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the kid makes some plays that make you go wow carrying the puck end to end. NYR 4th round Saarela or Donovan please...

Yes I do too.

Bill Placzek of Draft Site had this to say about Misyul:

Tall lean attacking defenseman who is fluid on his pins, very patience and fearless in his carries down low. Fits in the definition of a new age attacker who picks his spots and activates into the mix, looking at the best option while carrying strong with puck, causing coverage problems while keeps moving before passing or shooting. Displays a hard point shot, solid set-ups and smart offensive vision and activation. I am sure there are negatives we can cobble from his defensive end work, but is difficult to not be excited at the the prospects playmaking and scoring abilities.
PK Subban  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 4:05 pm : link
with a classy goodbye to Nashville.
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RE: PK Subban  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14480105 Jay on the Island said:
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with a classy goodbye to Nashville. Link - ( New Window )

wow I didn't realize we get Lindsey Vonn at the Rock too! Damn I'd have even been ok throwing in another 2nd rounder for that...
Devils Twitter loves the Patrick Moynihan pick  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 5:31 pm : link
Patrick Moynihan at 158 might be my favorite #NJDevils pick of the day.

Lot of production with the USNTDP this season, didn't really play with Hughes or Caufield.

Draft Analyst: 72
FC: 99
Craig Button: 79
NYR 5th round selection  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 5:31 pm : link
NYR pick Leevi Aaltonen at 130. IMO the 3rd or 4th best pure skater in the class.
Corey Pronman (@coreypronman) June 22, 2019
RE: Devils Twitter loves the Patrick Moynihan pick  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14480129 Stu11 said:
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Patrick Moynihan at 158 might be my favorite #NJDevils pick of the day.

Lot of production with the USNTDP this season, didn't really play with Hughes or Caufield.

Draft Analyst: 72
FC: 99
Craig Button: 79

I like the pick as well. Should I make a Devils discussion thread?
RE: RE: Devils Twitter loves the Patrick Moynihan pick  
Stu11 : 6/22/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14480131 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14480129 Stu11 said:


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Patrick Moynihan at 158 might be my favorite #NJDevils pick of the day.

Lot of production with the USNTDP this season, didn't really play with Hughes or Caufield.

Draft Analyst: 72
FC: 99
Craig Button: 79


I like the pick as well. Should I make a Devils discussion thread?

Yep go for it. The crazy thing is they probably aren't finished yet. its only June 22. I doubt they'll be in on the top tier UFA's, but I could see them signing a guy from that next tier. Especially a top 6 fwd. They probably don't sign MOJO, and Eberle obviously re-upped but that type of guy.
RE: RE: RE: Devils Twitter loves the Patrick Moynihan pick  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14480133 Stu11 said:
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Yep go for it. The crazy thing is they probably aren't finished yet. its only June 22. I doubt they'll be in on the top tier UFA's, but I could see them signing a guy from that next tier. Especially a top 6 fwd. They probably don't sign MOJO, and Eberle obviously re-upped but that type of guy.


I'll get it up a little later. I read that after the Subban trade the Devils are still approximately $5 million UNDER the cap floor. They will be players in free agency IMO. Adding Subban to a healthy Hall and Hughes will make the Devils an attractive destination.
wow I didn't realize  
ColHowPepper : 6/22/2019 6:06 pm : link
Stu and Jay were such Devils' fans, and Jay also a Braves and something else weirdo (:

Must be a goal keeper thing (where I played too)

JP thanks for the Rangers' deep dives and steering me straight here yesterday afternoon
Ranger fans  
JPinstripes : 6/22/2019 6:32 pm : link
here is a 3 round mock from Puck 77 that had 5 NYR selections inside the top 90 picks - Kakko, Robertson, Henricksson, Jones and Aaltonen.
3 Round Mock - 5 NYR selections - ( New Window )
^  
ColHowPepper : 6/22/2019 8:56 pm : link
ironic that in that Mock they've got Devils at #34 overall taking Robertson and Rangers at #58 overall taking Misyul...
puck luck dyslexia
RE: BTW I don't want to entertain Anak's lame attack any more  
Anakim : 6/22/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14479888 Stu11 said:
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But the attacks over the years have become tiresome on the Devils fan base and its "non existance" when in fact they've established a really nice base and attendance in the Rock over recent years. Here is a video of the "lame few hundred" fans in Champions plaza last night in Newark as they made the Hughes pick. Link - ( New Window )


I apologize. You were right and I was wrong. It was that one angle. There were tons of Devils fans at the Draft party.

I was wrong
What a ridiculous trade by Nashville  
MetsAreBack : 6/22/2019 10:57 pm : link
Thats not the guy you dump to make your cap work next few years. There were other players not carrying their weight or older over there to dump to meet the cap.

NJ just trumped Rangers on Trouba who a) isnt as good and b) isnt yet signed ... impressive (damnit)
RE: What a ridiculous trade by Nashville  
JayBinQueens : 6/22/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14480363 MetsAreBack said:
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Thats not the guy you dump to make your cap work next few years. There were other players not carrying their weight or older over there to dump to meet the cap.

NJ just trumped Rangers on Trouba who a) isnt as good and b) isnt yet signed ... impressive (damnit)


Agree with your take. As an isles fan, I'm not happy with either of these moves. Def would have liked either on our team
The team  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2019 9:29 am : link
who needs D the most and is different than NYR in that they should be contenders with a goalie and "franchise D" under contract for big $$$ long-term sits back and watches Trouba and Subban get traded for non-painful returns.

If Victor Mete is Weber's D pair partner again, MTL will be in the lottery again.

I like him, but he's a PP puck mover, maybe.
Pretty sure Pronman liked MTL's draft.  
Jay in Toronto : 6/23/2019 9:37 am : link
Devil's day could be franchise defining.

At first blush I thought we picked the wrong Robertson but I've been wanting a strong D-first D man that can keep the goal area enemy-free for a while. Maybe he's that guy.
RE: Pretty sure Pronman liked MTL's draft.  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14480451 Jay in Toronto said:
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Devil's day could be franchise defining.

At first blush I thought we picked the wrong Robertson but I've been wanting a strong D-first D man that can keep the goal area enemy-free for a while. Maybe he's that guy.


I liked the draft. They need an NHL-ready top 4 D. Very few of them outside the top part of the 1st round come from the draft though.
USNTDP sets a record  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2019 10:21 am : link
with 17 players drafted (every single eligible player drafted).

There were more Americans drafted than that, like Kaliyev, who played Canadian Juniors, but that is pretty amazing.
RE: USNTDP sets a record  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14480475 pjcas18 said:
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with 17 players drafted (every single eligible player drafted).

There were more Americans drafted than that, like Kaliyev, who played Canadian Juniors, but that is pretty amazing.

I hope this is a sign of things to come. The more big name American's in the NHL the more popular it will get IMO. I hate to admit it but I actually prefer to see the Rangers have a good season because it's better for the league. Obviously I don't want them to be better than Devils.

RE: RE: USNTDP sets a record  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14480556 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14480475 pjcas18 said:


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with 17 players drafted (every single eligible player drafted).

There were more Americans drafted than that, like Kaliyev, who played Canadian Juniors, but that is pretty amazing.


I hope this is a sign of things to come. The more big name American's in the NHL the more popular it will get IMO. I hate to admit it but I actually prefer to see the Rangers have a good season because it's better for the league. Obviously I don't want them to be better than Devils.


I believe 2014 was the first time Canadians did not make up more than 50% of the league.

Canada was 44% last year, US almost 30%, it's steadily climbing - as are Europeans countries like Sweden, Finland, and Russia.
By the way  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 8:48 am : link
I read that Caufield thinks he can make the team.

And if he gets selected for main training camp he might go.

If a player goes to the main training camp (not dev camp) they lose their eligibility. He was drafted in the juniors, so like Nick Suzuki he could go to main camp get cut and play juniors a year or two.

I still think he goes to Wisco at least a year, but it was interesting to hear him say that. Confident kid.
Sorry  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 8:49 am : link
meant to say they lose their *NCAA* eligibility
Never thought..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/24/2019 8:59 am : link
I'd see anyone from Elmira in a hockey draft.

Not only did I see it when the Bruins drafted John Beecher in the first round, but I went to school and played ball with his Dad.
RE: Never thought..  
Stu11 : 6/24/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14480903 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'd see anyone from Elmira in a hockey draft.

Not only did I see it when the Bruins drafted John Beecher in the first round, but I went to school and played ball with his Dad.

Crazy when you think some of the recent top picks that were US born and where they came from-Clayton Keller, Missouri, Hughes- Florida, Couturier and Tkachuck -Arizona, Auston Mathews, California. Devs have 2 guys from Texas. Hockey has really branched of to the sun belt.
Being born somewhere  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 10:22 am : link
and where you grew up/played are very different things in some cases.

I don't think any of the Hughes kids even put on a pair of skates in Florida. They were in Boston when they started skating but grew up in Toronto for a lot of their life.

The Tkachuk's and Keller grew up in St. Louis, which is maybe surprisingly or not, a decent hockey town for youth hockey.

Couturier grew up in Canada.

Matthews is IMO the anomaly, I believe he was born in CA, but moved to AZ early and played there until the USNDTP.

that is pretty amazing (and rare IMO).

80% of Americans in the NHL were born (not even grew up, born) in 9 states: MI, MN, MA, NY, IL, WI, NJ, CT and CA

It is expanding, and it's a good thing, just wanted to highlight born is maybe misleading.

Brian Leetch was born in TX, but moved to CT when he was 3 months old (for example)
Richard Park was born in SoCal  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:35 am : link
But he moved to Canada when he was fairly young, like 11 or 12. He was already a hockey player but most likely wouldn't have developed to the same extent had he stayed in California.
Brooks Orpik is another one  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:37 am : link
Born in the Bay Area but grew up in upstate NY.
RE: By the way  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14480895 pjcas18 said:
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I read that Caufield thinks he can make the team.

And if he gets selected for main training camp he might go.

If a player goes to the main training camp (not dev camp) they lose their eligibility. He was drafted in the juniors, so like Nick Suzuki he could go to main camp get cut and play juniors a year or two.

I still think he goes to Wisco at least a year, but it was interesting to hear him say that. Confident kid.



I suspect he is eager to show up the team's that passed him up asap

Selfishly I hope he becomes a Badger
RE: RE: By the way  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14481269 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14480895 pjcas18 said:


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I read that Caufield thinks he can make the team.

And if he gets selected for main training camp he might go.

If a player goes to the main training camp (not dev camp) they lose their eligibility. He was drafted in the juniors, so like Nick Suzuki he could go to main camp get cut and play juniors a year or two.

I still think he goes to Wisco at least a year, but it was interesting to hear him say that. Confident kid.




I suspect he is eager to show up the team's that passed him up asap

Selfishly I hope he becomes a Badger


His brother is on the team (Wisconsin) as will be Turcotte and Lindmark from his team this year (USNDTP U18).

I think he goes at least a year.

It would be cool to see Caufield (5' 7") with Sean Dhooghe (5' 3") on a line.

LOL re Dhougue (sp)  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 2:49 pm : link
he can also put the puck in the net.

And let's not forget (for us Ranger fans) D'Andre Miller!

I will be scouring the net for Badger games LOL

I had season tickets for eight years in the glory days of Badger Bob, RIP
RE: LOL re Dhougue (sp)  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14481320 Jay in Toronto said:
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he can also put the puck in the net.

And let's not forget (for us Ranger fans) D'Andre Miller!

I will be scouring the net for Badger games LOL

I had season tickets for eight years in the glory days of Badger Bob, RIP


K'Andre

he's fun to watch.

When you are almost a PPG player as a college freshman on the blue line, you have offensive game.

still has more forward than defensive tendencies which is great in the offensive zone - he loves to join the rush, but I saw him lose his guy a few times in the D zone. He'll get it fixed and be a great NHL player.

RE: RE: LOL re Dhougue (sp)  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14481324 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14481320 Jay in Toronto said:


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he can also put the puck in the net.

And let's not forget (for us Ranger fans) D'Andre Miller!

I will be scouring the net for Badger games LOL

I had season tickets for eight years in the glory days of Badger Bob, RIP



K'Andre

he's fun to watch.

When you are almost a PPG player as a college freshman on the blue line, you have offensive game.

still has more forward than defensive tendencies which is great in the offensive zone - he loves to join the rush, but I saw him lose his guy a few times in the D zone. He'll get it fixed and be a great NHL player.


I'm biased, but I think he'll get some good coaching at UW

It will be interesting to see what Davidson does with Hartford. Mike Eves just got tabbed to run Columbus' top farm team. I wonder if Davidson was involved in that? Eaves would have been an interesting choice.
I've liked Granato  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 3:17 pm : link
since his own Wisconsin playing days. He played the game the way I would have liked to play it if I were better.

LOL.

I'm sure he's a great coach.

Living in New England I'm surrounded by great college coaches. Providence, Umass, BU, BC, Quinnipiac, Northeastern, Harvard, Yale, even UNH and more.

but yeah, Granato is great I'm sure. Plus I like Bob Motzko a lot too and he left St. Cloud State for Min - I think they'll be good.

Hockey should expand their post-season tournament. 16 teams in a win or go-home tourney is so hard.



PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 5:47 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised if they tap someone from the NCAA for Hartford like they did with Quinn for NY

17 current Badgers are at NHL development camps this week.

Don't know how that compares with other teams, but it seems pretty impressive to me.
Dave Hakstol seems like a logical fit for Hartford  
Anakim : 6/24/2019 5:58 pm : link
.
Panarin to at least meet with  
Metnut : 6/24/2019 6:08 pm : link
FLA, NYI and NYR.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14481515 Jay in Toronto said:
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I wouldn't be surprised if they tap someone from the NCAA for Hartford like they did with Quinn for NY

17 current Badgers are at NHL development camps this week.

Don't know how that compares with other teams, but it seems pretty impressive to me.


BU had 8 players taken in this draft. WISC had 7.

They probably have similar # of players in dev camp I'd imagine.

Hockey East had 27 players selected, by far the most for any NCAA conference.



PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/25/2019 6:42 am : link

"Quick thought: Caufield to Canadiens at No. 15 ... absolute steal. Tony Granato at Wisconsin is going to turn Cole into an even stronger, better player. And in case you forgot, he scored 72 goals last season."

Mike Morreale
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 6:58 am : link
In comment 14481922 Jay in Toronto said:
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"Quick thought: Caufield to Canadiens at No. 15 ... absolute steal. Tony Granato at Wisconsin is going to turn Cole into an even stronger, better player. And in case you forgot, he scored 72 goals last season."

Mike Morreale


they showed Brendan Gallagher meet Caufield at the draft (Gallagher is a Vancouver native), anyway, not many players can make Gallagher look tall.

Great clip though, Caufield was star struck and his smile never left his face. Who knows how his NHL career winds up but as a Hab, an american, and a good kid, I'll be rooting for him.
Small trade  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 8:22 am : link
but I would not be surprised at all to see CHI bounce back and make the playoffs this year.


NHL.com
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2m2 minutes ago

The Hurricanes traded defenseman Calvin de Haan and forward prospect Aleksi Saarela to the Blackhawks on Monday for goalie Anton Forsberg and defenseman Gustav Forsling.
It's looking more and more like  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/25/2019 1:06 pm : link
the Rangers, the Islanders, and the Panthers are the big favorites for Artemi Panarin. I think they Isles would've locked up Lee by now if they didn't think they might not have enough cap room. Pretty exciting times. Can't wait to be disappointed when he's playing at the Garden.
Small class  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 2:45 pm : link
not sure on Zubov, never looked up his numbers, but he doesn't seem like HOF to me.

And I like Charbonneau, but more worthy players than him.


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Hearing the Hockey Hall of Fame will induct Hayley Wickenheiser, Vaclav Nedomansky, Sergei Zubov and Guy Carbonneau.
1:56 PM - 25 Jun 2019
Speaking of Brooks Orpik  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 3:24 pm : link
he announced his retirement today.

Nice career, played on the edge and crossed the line occasionally, got the most out of his ability IMO.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 6/25/2019 3:36 pm : link
I played against Andrew Ference in a tournament this weekend. His team smoked us 8-1 or something like that. I had the lone goal, which means I could play in the NHL.

Also stood next to Colton Orr who could end my life in 3 seconds.

Rangers drafted at least five Hall of Famers this weekend.

Solid weekend. pj sucks.
Zubov might be a bit borderline, but you can make a decent argument  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 3:37 pm : link
20th all time in Defensive Point Shares, 14th in Offensive Point Shares as a defenseman, 19th in defenseman scoring. Compares favorably to, say, Rob Blake, who's in the Hall. Others he has at least as good a case, if not better, who are in: Borje Salming, Guy Lapointe, Mark Howe, Rod Langway
Roberto Luongo retired.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2019 2:40 pm : link
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RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14482522 BrettNYG10 said:
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I played against Andrew Ference in a tournament this weekend. His team smoked us 8-1 or something like that. I had the lone goal, which means I could play in the NHL.

Also stood next to Colton Orr who could end my life in 3 seconds.

Rangers drafted at least five Hall of Famers this weekend.

Solid weekend. pj sucks.


that sounds like a fun tournament. most of my tournaments these dats you can't have any pro experience, of any kind, they screen hockeydb to see if you do.

One of my teammates. at 43, got a contract with the Delaware Federals of the FHL - just for a two-game stint against the Cape Cod Blue Fins

Which is awesome. He can now claim he's been a pro hockey player, but now he can't play tournaments with us (at least those that screen for pros). Idiot.

but I'd do it in a heartbeat. He didn't even look THAT out of place. He did go to Union though, so he's not some hack.
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pjcas18 : 6/28/2019 4:19 pm : link
The Washington Capitals have traded forward Andre Burakovsky to the Colorado Avalanche for second- and third-round picks in the 2020 NHL draft, the team announced Friday. Burakovsky requested the trade, according to a person with knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Not unexpected, but savvy move by the Caps.
Interesting stats on Subban vs Weber  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2019 5:10 pm : link
now that Subban was a cap dump by a contending team, the see saw is for now tilted to Weber in Habs land (not with me though I like Weber too).


EvilBergy - Subbanista Trigger warning
‏ @EvilBergy
Jun 27

Comparing team C Weber to Cap dump Subban in goals for vs goals against at even strength

2016-17

Weber - 54 gf 35 ga
Subban - 52 gf 57 ga

2018-19

Weber - 54 gf 39 ga
Subban - 54 gf 52 ga

This is why Weber is who every GM wants
#Canadiens #subbanistas #hatersgonnahate
Kessel  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:41 pm : link
traded to Coyotes.

details forthcoming.

Galchenyuk  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:48 pm : link
back to PIT.

Love this for PIT.

No idea why Arizona would do this.
Pens robbed the Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:55 pm : link
if the Pens are smart they'll put Galchenyuk on a line with Sid.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

PO Joseph and Galchenyuk to Pittsburgh for Kessel and a 4th round pick.
7:49 PM - 29 Jun 2019
How come every Metro team  
Metnut : 6/29/2019 8:30 pm : link
has to rip off the other team in each trade. Infuriating.
Yep agreed Pitt did really well here  
Stu11 : 6/29/2019 8:41 pm : link
However Galchenyuk is still a lot of potential VS. Kessel's production. Listen I'm Pitt I do the deal 10 times out of 10 but Kessel is still one of the best pure producers in the league.
I think Galchenyuk  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 8:55 pm : link
and Kessel are similar players, both have ridiculous shots, snipers, but Galchenyuk is 25 (vs Kessel 32 before next season) and Galchenyuk has upside.

Kessel costs $3M more per year on the cap.

PO Joseph was a 1st round pick in 2017, solid D prospect.

Matthew Joseph's of the Lightning's brother.

Pens win this trade by a lot IMO, unless they are eating salary. Kessel is owed $18M on the cap, Galchenyuk is under contract for this year only for $5.8M.





Sorry  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 8:56 pm : link
Galchenyuk is on for only 4.9M
Dallas buys out  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 10:00 pm : link
Nichushkin, clears the way for Pavelski or Zuccarello. NYR fans hope it's Zucc, since that makes the DAL pick a 1st.
The Athletic - Custance  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 10:38 pm : link
loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 12:17 pm : link

Stephen Whyno
‏Verified account @SWhyno
45s45 seconds ago

Deal is official: James Reimer traded from Panthers to Hurricanes for Scott Darling, 6th. And Florida is buying out Darling.
I always liked Kessel.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/30/2019 12:44 pm : link
Pens wouldn't have won those two Cups without him.
PJ I'm pleasently surprised that it hasn't leaked more  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 2:30 pm : link
That guys have agreed to FA deals. I like the whole July 1 frenzy. Thought with the legal tampering period that would change this year.
RE: PJ I'm pleasently surprised that it hasn't leaked more  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14486794 Stu11 said:
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That guys have agreed to FA deals. I like the whole July 1 frenzy. Thought with the legal tampering period that would change this year.


Same here but I'm also a little nervous, rumors are the Canadiens will be doing something big. and they didn't buy anyone out (which I supported since no buyout made sense), so that means either trade or one of the 5 or 6 big name FA's.

I've heard Anders Lee, I prefer Duchene, but what they really need is D, I just don't want to pay Tyler Myers $7M+ per season b/c he's the tallest midget in FA among the available D.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 4:53 pm : link

Frank Seravalli
‏Verified account @frank_seravalli

Veteran goalie Mike Smith has chosen the #Oilers. Hes more or less trading places with Cam Talbot, who as we hinted on Monday, is heading to the #Flames.

More on what that means for Lehner, Mrazek, and the rest of the goalie market on @SportsCentre at 6pm ET.
4:32 PM - 30 Jun 2019
Habs clear space  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 5:13 pm : link
they traded two 2nd's for Shaw in the first place.

I like it. I liked Shaw more than I thought, but he's absolutely expendable.


Canadiens Montral
‏Verified account @CanadiensMTL
18m18 minutes ago

The Canadiens have acquired Chicagos 2nd round pick and 7th round pick in 2020, and the Blackhawks 3rd round pick in 2021, in return for forward Andrew Shaw and the Canadiens 7th round pick in 2021.

DETAILS ➡️ http://goha.bs/2Npe4Fn
RE: The Athletic - Custance  
Rover : 6/30/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14486486 pjcas18 said:
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loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.

You were the one person I wanted to ask about this trade, since you know Galchenyuk.
From what I read, most feel he is like Kessel (lazy defensively, picky about where he wants to play, as in being a center) without the finishing ability or productivity.

From the sounds of it, sounds like PIT got good value given their situation, but that Galchenyuk either will do great and cost too much to re-sign OR the Pens will have his cap space the following season.

What do you think about Galchenyuk?
RE: I always liked Kessel.  
Rover : 6/30/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14486682 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pens wouldn't have won those two Cups without him.

He should have and would have been the Conn Smyth winner in 2016, except the Toronto/Canadian media had a grudge.

That said, his act wore thin, didn't want to play on 3rd line, only with Malkin and his bad defense rubbed off on Malkin.
Also, some feel he is losing his scoring ability and will not age well.
RE: RE: The Athletic - Custance  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14487220 Rover said:
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In comment 14486486 pjcas18 said:


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loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.


You were the one person I wanted to ask about this trade, since you know Galchenyuk.
From what I read, most feel he is like Kessel (lazy defensively, picky about where he wants to play, as in being a center) without the finishing ability or productivity.

From the sounds of it, sounds like PIT got good value given their situation, but that Galchenyuk either will do great and cost too much to re-sign OR the Pens will have his cap space the following season.

What do you think about Galchenyuk?


I love Galchenyuk, and he's absolutely a finisher, it's his asset, wicked wrist shot, sick one-timer, he should be the power play shooter.

But yeah, he's been bad defensively, and slow to learn, so coaches like Julien and Therrien buried him.

Very eager to see what Sullivan does for his game.

I don't think he's a C, so I'd play him next to Crosby and slide Guentzel to the Malkin line, Alex may be the most skilled winger to play alongside Crosby if they do that.
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:14 pm : link
not done. Clearing space and accumulating picks for 2020 draft which not coincidentally is in MTL


Canadiens Montral
‏Verified account @CanadiensMTL

The Canadiens have acquired Anaheims 4th round pick in 2020, in return for forward Nicolas Deslauriers.

DETAILS ➡️ http://goha.bs/2FICgMy

#GoHabsGo
Bob McKenzie  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 7:18 pm : link
thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!
Varmalov could be a fit with NYI  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 7:25 pm : link
if they can add Panarin at around $12M aav and let lehner walk. Would still be ample left over space after that to add a bottom six center.
RE: Bob McKenzie  
Rover : 6/30/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14487296 Metnut said:
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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!

That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.
RE: RE: Bob McKenzie  
Mike in NY : 6/30/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14487324 Rover said:
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In comment 14487296 Metnut said:


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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!


That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.


Because even with Bob and Panarin, Florida is not a playoff team, Islanders are. Not to mention Barry Trotz is no slouch of a Head Coach and New York is more media exposure than Florida.
RE: RE: RE: Bob McKenzie  
KDubbs : 6/30/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14487331 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14487324 Rover said:


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In comment 14487296 Metnut said:


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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!


That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.



Because even with Bob and Panarin, Florida is not a playoff team, Islanders are. Not to mention Barry Trotz is no slouch of a Head Coach and New York is more media exposure than Florida.


Whats the breakdown in attendance for both?
Bob to Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:36 pm : link
makes sense, they have no goalie right now and a lot of cap room.

I think Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:41 pm : link
is a borderline playoff team with Bob and Quennville.

even without Panarin.

Barkov is on the cusp of stardom, if he's not there yet.

Ekblad is a little weak for a #1 overall, but he's a solid top pair D (and is still just 23) along with Mattheson, Yandle, etc.

Trochek, Huberdeau, Dadanov..they have some good players.
I'm hoping Isles drove up the price on BOB enough to get Panarin  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2019 7:51 pm : link
that would be a huge coup. Barzal + Panarin + Trotz plus a very good defense is an excellent foundation to build on. Especially if they could also bring back Lehner.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 8:04 pm : link

Pierre LeBrun
‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun
47s47 seconds ago

Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Bob Stauffer

As @Bob_Stauffer mentioned, Im told all signs point to Brett Connolly signing a four-year deal with the Panthers on Monday
Holy shit if true  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 8:13 pm : link
who would the offer sheet be? Aho? Point?

that takes balls. two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd.


Georges Laraque
‏Verified account @GeorgesLaraque

From what I hear, these will be confirmed tomorrow Duchene-Nashville, Bobrovski-Florida and Pavelski-Dallas. Habs will present an offer sheet! De ce que jentends, ce sera confirm demain, Duchene-Nashville, Bobrovski-Floride et Pavelski-Dallas. Le CH prsentera une offre hostile
7:26 PM - 30 Jun 2019
RE: Bob to Florida  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14487335 pjcas18 said:
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makes sense, they have no goalie right now and a lot of cap room.

yeah Bob to Florida is as close as we have right now to a mortal lock.
If Pavelski does go to Dallas  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 8:19 pm : link
That probably free's up Zuccs. I bet the Devils get in on that and/or Lee if the Isles sign Panarin
Agre Stu  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 8:27 pm : link
I think Pavelski to Dallas means no Zucc to Dallas.


David Pagnotta
‏ @TheFourthPeriod

Looks like Joe Pavelski will sign a three-year contract with Dallas tomorrow. Sounds like the AAV will be in the neighborhood of $7M.
8:24 PM - 30 Jun 2019
Sounds like Zucc is headed to Minnesota  
Anakim : 6/30/2019 8:27 pm : link
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RE: Sounds like Zucc is headed to Minnesota  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14487431 Anakim said:
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Yep just saw that. He wants 5 years. Probably too steap for the Devs. I expect them to hone in on Lee if the Isles sign Panarin and Varlomov
RE: RE: Sounds like Zucc is headed to Minnesota  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14487438 Stu11 said:
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Yep just saw that. He wants 5 years. Probably too steap for the Devs. I expect them to hone in on Lee if the Isles sign Panarin and Varlomov

It's a 5 year deal for Zuccarello with an AAV of $6 million. That's too long for me.

Interesting  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 8:45 pm : link
I think NJ will be busy tomorrow. A lot of agents think theyre a prime candidate to put out an offer sheet or two. https://t.co/KZhsimnMd9

Gord Miller (@GMillerTSN) June 30, 2019


They can apparently shift the compensation to a year later if theyre missing a pick, or so its been rumored.

Tyler Kelley (@DocKelley41) June 30, 2019
Quite a few offer sheet candidates  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 9:04 pm : link
compensation is heavy (I believe it's 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd) if the offer sheet is over $8M per, which for the guys I'm talking about it would be, if it goes over $10.5 it costs 4 1sts.

but would you give that up for:

Aho?
Point?
Marner?
Rantanen?

I say yes to all 4 (under 10.5). They're all 23 or younger and already stars.

Matthew Tkachuk?
Timo Meier?
Brock Boeser?
Charlie McAvoy?
more...

Laine? I think he's eligible.

not sure. but I'd think hard about it.



Preds and Habs  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 9:13 pm : link
in on Lee.

Habs and possibly Wild in on Gardner.

two solid players, but will get overpaid.

Hope Bergevin sets a line and won't cross it.
RE: Quite a few offer sheet candidates  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14487478 pjcas18 said:
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compensation is heavy (I believe it's 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd) if the offer sheet is over $8M per, which for the guys I'm talking about it would be, if it goes over $10.5 it costs 4 1sts.

but would you give that up for:

Aho?
Point?
Marner?
Rantanen?

I say yes to all 4 (under 10.5). They're all 23 or younger and already stars.

Matthew Tkachuk?
Timo Meier?
Brock Boeser?
Charlie McAvoy?
more...

Laine? I think he's eligible.

not sure. but I'd think hard about it.



I agree with you if it's under 10.5 for all 4 of those players without thinking twice. I would do it for Laine also.
....  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 9:27 pm : link
Sounds like Richard Panik will be heading to WSH on a four-year contract. AAV could be somewhere north of $2.5M.

Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) July 1, 2019
Another  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2019 9:27 pm : link
It sounds like Matt Duchene will join the #preds. Expect his contract to come in with an $8M AAV.

Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) July 1, 2019
Mckenzie  
KDubbs : 6/30/2019 9:31 pm : link
Tweets the Rags believe they are still alive with Panarin.
Sounds like Panarin will be an Islander  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 9:32 pm : link

Hockey Insider
@HockeyRumor
Sources just told be. NYR dropped out. Panarin will be an islander tomorrow. #NYR #CBJ #Isles
9:14 PM Jun 30, 2019 Twitter for iPhone
RE: Mckenzie  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14487534 KDubbs said:
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Tweets the Rags believe they are still alive with Panarin.


Will suck if the Rangers end up getting him
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Anakim : 6/30/2019 9:49 pm : link

John Shannon
@JSportsnet

The Blue Jackets are still trying to convince Artemi Panarin to return to Columbus. Still hoping theres a chance.
Looks like a 3 team race.
CBJ. NYI. Florida.
12mil  
Giantfootball025 : 6/30/2019 9:52 pm : link
is a lot for a great player, but not a franchise player. Stay the course for the Rangers.
This would explain why the Rangers aren't in the running:  
Anakim : 6/30/2019 9:55 pm : link
Renaud Lavoie
@renlavoietva

Hearing AAV could be $13M. Dont know if its the exact number but the biddings are high.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 10:02 pm : link

Brian Hedger
‏Verified account @BrianHedger
4m4 minutes ago

Confirming Duchene to #Preds $8m for 7 ... hearing #CBJ offered Duchene more than $8 mill/year. That one, however, was always going to be an uphill fight.

Duchene is apparently building a house in Nashville & talked openly about liking that city/area a lot.
Adding a 27 year old elite  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 10:09 pm : link
talent for just cap space isnt something a lot of teams have a chance to do. Isles have to go all-in to get this done. Im fine with $13M AAV.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 10:14 pm : link
Perry and Pavelski added to Benn, Seguin, Radulov....with Bishop and that young D core and the young forwards.

Stars moving up to West Conference favorite by winning July.


theScore NHL
‏Verified account @theScoreNHL
21s21 seconds ago

Report: Perry to sign 1-year deal with Stars https://thesco.re/2Xj8U28

Luke Schenn  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 10:25 pm : link
to TBL.

I wonder how they're going to respond to the playoff debacle.
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