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pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:12 am
Thought I'd start a thread for general NHL Draft discussion.

Date: 6/21
Where: Vancouver

The story of the draft so far is that American players are set to dominate the early portion of the draft.

Besides projected #1 Jack Hughes, I've seen as many as 6 of the top 10 projected as American players.

Who are they?

Hughes (C) projected #1, everyone knows him

Cole Caufield has been routinely called the "best goal scorer" in the draft. and he helped himself out in a major way at the U18's in April. I'm still leery of a 5' 7" NHL player, but Alex Debrincat (who Caufield is often compared to) maybe helped dissuade those concerns with his 40 G/76P season as a 21-year old.

Alex Turcotte, another American C, does everything IMO, he can score, play defensively, and is a good skater.

Trevor Zegras, has played W and C, not sure what he is in the NHL, oozes skill and manages to combine it with a hard nose style and good hockey IQ

Matthew Boldy, a LW, he might be my favorite non-Hughes American draftee, I see him as a Ryan O'Reilly type with how he approaches the game, so smart, so skilled, just not a C.

Spencer Knight, #1 rated goalie and if he goes this high would be a rarity, the NHL has moved away from 1st round goalies as a norm

other US notables:

Cam York (beast D, in the McAvoy mold)

Bobby Orr Brink (no shit that's his name) - maybe the sleeper of the bunch, loved his play at the U18's

Arthur Kaliyev, goal scorer? check. Not a great skater though. How then does he join Tavares, Stamkos, Skinner, and Debrincat as the only players to score 50 goals in the OHL in their 17/18 year old seasons? Can't argue with the stats, but he's a guy I'd really want to evaluate at the combone.

Alex Vlasic - a massive kid at 6' 6" at 18 years old and cousin to Marc-douard Vlasic, reminds me a little of the Samuelsson's last year (Ulf and Kjell's kids), need some work, but with that size it's not hard to envision.

Draft order, post Trouba trade:

2019 NHL DRAFT FIRST-ROUND ORDER

1. New Jersey Devils

2. New York Rangers

3. Chicago Blackhawks

4. Colorado Avalanche (from Ottawa Senators)

5. Los Angeles Kings

6. Detroit Red Wings

7. Buffalo Sabres

8. Edmonton Oilers

9. Anaheim Ducks

10. Vancouver Canucks

11. Philadelphia Flyers

12. Minnesota Wild

13. Florida Panthers

14. Arizona Coyotes

15. Montreal Canadiens

16. Colorado Avalanche

17. Vegas Golden Knights

18. Dallas Stars

19. Ottawa Senators (from Columbus Blue Jackets)

20. Winnipeg Jets (from New York Rangers)

21. Pittsburgh Penguins

22. Los Angeles Kings (from Toronto Maple Leafs)

23. New York Islanders

24. Nashville Predators

25. Washington Capitals

26. Calgary Flames

27. Tampa Bay Lightning

28. Carolina Hurricanes

29. Anaheim Ducks [or Buffalo Sabres] (from San Jose Sharks)

30. Boston Bruins

31. Buffalo Sabres [or Anaheim Ducks] (from St. Louis Blues)


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Crap  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:14 pm : link
the one team here is MTL.

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Dan Kingerski
‏ @TheDanKingerski

The Kris Letang chatter is getting heavy. Heres one team which made a serious inquiry:
not sure I've seen mentioned the Swiss d-man  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 1:19 pm : link
who excelled in the recent IIHF Worlds in Slovakia, can't recall his name. Positionally sound, tough, good skater
RE: not sure I've seen mentioned the Swiss d-man  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14479193 ColHowPepper said:
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who excelled in the recent IIHF Worlds in Slovakia, can't recall his name. Positionally sound, tough, good skater


Broberg. Should go top 10.
RE: RE: not sure I've seen mentioned the Swiss d-man  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14479202 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14479193 ColHowPepper said:


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who excelled in the recent IIHF Worlds in Slovakia, can't recall his name. Positionally sound, tough, good skater



Broberg. Should go top 10.


Sorry, you said Swiss. Broberg is Swedish.
In case anyon didn't see  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:34 pm : link
the Carey Price moment from the NHL Awards, the video is here.
Link - ( New Window )
watched him (the Swiss) in parts of a couple games  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 1:36 pm : link
and there were + comments, but not going to muddle through that thread to find the name.....

and talk of you all farts (I'm waaayyy more farty) strapping them up again and going out for the late night games has me drooling....with envy...been a long time
RE: In case anyon didn't see  
ColHowPepper : 6/21/2019 1:42 pm : link
good stuff!!
RE: watched him (the Swiss) in parts of a couple games  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14479214 ColHowPepper said:
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and there were + comments, but not going to muddle through that thread to find the name.....

and talk of you all farts (I'm waaayyy more farty) strapping them up again and going out for the late night games has me drooling....with envy...been a long time


The only Swiss draft eligible D that was at the worlds is Janis Jrme Moser. I don't remember him standing out, but I also don't remember watching any Switzerland games. He's ranked 101 by Central Scouting, he'll be drafted.
I know it'll never happen  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:08 pm : link
But I would love to see the Devils acquire another early 1st round pick to get Cole Caufield also.

The Devils need help at RW and Caufield is an exciting player to develop. He's also familiar with Hughes and showed nice chemistry with him.

The Devils made a similar move a few years ago when they took Michael McLeod in round 1 then took his teammate Bastian in round 2.
RE: In case anyon didn't see  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14479211 pjcas18 said:
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the Carey Price moment from the NHL Awards, the video is here. Link - ( New Window )

I'm not crying you're crying.
Pj  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 2:09 pm : link
I think it was Pronman who said Brink is his tightest call in Round 1
It might not seem significant for some  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:11 pm : link
but I can imagine the profound impact that Price's actions will have on this kids life.
I'm at work so I can't really look  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:12 pm : link
but what big names are rumored to be on the move today/tonight?
I think Hughes is a great leader, as well as insane skater and player  
Phil in LA : 6/21/2019 2:14 pm : link
and I think he lifted up the whole US program - even the guys who weren't his linemates.
RE: I think Hughes is a great leader, as well as insane skater and player  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14479257 Phil in LA said:
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and I think he lifted up the whole US program - even the guys who weren't his linemates.

You can't go wrong with Hughes or Kakko. Kakko is the more NHL ready player but Hughes has a huge upside as well. Hughes can play in the NHL right away but he needs alot of time in the weight room.

Hischier was similar in terms of body type when he came out. Hughes is the star the Devils need to attract players in the future. Hughes and Hischier ould be one of the best 1-2 center duo's in the NHL for the next decade.

RE: I'm at work so I can't really look  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14479255 Jay on the Island said:
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but what big names are rumored to be on the move today/tonight?


Who knows and it doesn't need to happen at the draft though teams generally get more active around now, it can happen any time before 7/1.

Letang, Mrazek, Dougie Hamilton (and every Hurricanes D), Subban, Ehlers, Kreider, Backes (hate to see someone bail the Bruins out on that contract)
Hughes is NHL  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 2:26 pm : link
ready. I know what you mean, from a physical maturity standpoint, but he will be on an NHL roster day 1 (assuming health), and he'll thrive IMO from day 1.

Yeah, I agree that Hughes will thrive from the start.  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 2:31 pm : link
He'd actually be the better get for the Rangers, but I'm not crying about Kakko...he'll be a force too.
Kakko will be the greatest NHL player of all time  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2019 2:36 pm : link
And anyone saying differently is a hater.
I'm in access hell right now due to work  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 2:52 pm : link
Anyone have a stream suggestion that would work for the Draft?
RE: I'm in access hell right now due to work  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14479297 Torrag said:
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Anyone have a stream suggestion that would work for the Draft?


NBC Sports is streaming it live.


NHL Draft Stream - ( New Window )
Thx  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 3:18 pm : link
I just watched Shero in the Devs final pre draft mini coverage series. The one thing of interest to me was he said the current readiness to step in wasn't really a factor in the decision but rather the long term projection for the player.

IMO this negates one of the advantages Kakko holds over Hughes at this time as long as you believe in Hughes work ethic which doesn't appear to have any doubters.
Bathroom humour  
Jay in Toronto : 6/21/2019 3:31 pm : link
McInoe in the AThletic

"Rangers going to have a guy named Kakko go number two on a stage in front of thousands of people and you dont have to think thats funny but me and my eight-year-old will be over here laughing until our faces hurt"
.  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 3:34 pm : link
Jimmy Murphy
@MurphysLaw74
Just heard an interesting trade rumor via an NHL source that would involve #NYR goalie Henrik Lundqvist. Trying to get more info now, but not sure I can imagine the King anywhere else but in New York! Wow!
Just a link  
SJGiant : 6/21/2019 3:44 pm : link
from today's Rangers trade rumors
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Interesting Athletic article  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 4:07 pm : link
I liked it better when Chiarelli was in charge in Boston.

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Harman Dayal
‏ @harmandayal2
3h3 hours ago

After compiling tons of data and expected pick values, my latest for The Athletic analyzes every NHL team's drafting since 2014 as well as every prospect pool.

https://theathletic.com/1033678/2019/06/21/behind-the-numbers-an-analysis-of-every-nhl-teams-recent-draft-history/



Not sure if this will show up, it's on the Athletic site (but I think twitter too):



Rangers blurb, they're not even on here.

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...Theres one team that wont show on this chart and thats the New York Rangers. Thats simply because theyve yet to receive above replacement level value from this era. Their 2014 to 2016 picks have combined for just five NHL games to this point which is quite underwhelming even after considering the fact that they didnt own a first-round pick during this time frame. New Yorks results should improve in due time as the 2017 class looks to have landed a couple of solid NHLers in Filip Chytil and Lias Andersson, although they wont show here because they havent been above replacement value yet....


Here is the key:





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Conclusion

All told, hopefully, the prospect pool data provides some added context for some of the results above. Among contending teams, Boston and Tampa Bay are irrefutably the kings of drafting during this span with the Predators as another competitive team thats not too far behind. The Stars, Red Wings and Rangers have had major issues although, in New Yorks case, theyve turned things around in recent times. Edmontons drafting leaves much to be desired beyond the Draisaitl pick, while similar sentiment can be expressed for the Sabres whove added little value outside of the first and second overall picks theyve owned in this time frame. Rebuilding teams that have drafted well include the Toronto Maple Leafs, Vancouver Canucks, Winnipeg Jets and Philadelphia Flyers.


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This would be awesome if it wasn't a joke  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 4:15 pm : link
I think GM's should actually do this.


Ryan Hana
‏ @RyanHanaWWP
52s53 seconds ago

Discussing the rumors surrounding Detroit's pick, and @BradKrysko joked that Yzerman just gave random names to some of his staff to find the leaker and fire them.

If Yzerman is #GoT seasons 1-4 Tyrion, give Detroit the Cup now.

If he's seasons 7-8 Tyrion...God help us all.
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pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 4:19 pm : link

Adrian Dater
‏Verified account @adater
10s10 seconds ago

More buzz Im hearing about Barrie and Canucks. Tanev name has bubbled up. More rumblings as I hear them @ColHockeyNow
RE: Kakko will be the greatest NHL player of all time  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14479281 BrettNYG10 said:
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And anyone saying differently is a hater.

Unless the Devils surprise everyone and take Kakko 1st. Then Hughes is the greatest player of all time.
The stats above are quite a condemnation of the work that Slats  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 4:29 pm : link
and Gordie Clarke have done. Trading #1s though is on Sather's head.
I hope if Ryan Callahan  
SJGiant : 6/21/2019 4:45 pm : link
Is forced to take a buyout because of his medical condition, that the Rangers honor the former captain this year
RE: I hope if Ryan Callahan  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14479426 SJGiant said:
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Is forced to take a buyout because of his medical condition, that the Rangers honor the former captain this year

It's possible that a team takes his contract in exchange for a draft pick. There were rumors last week that the Devils had interest in trading for him in exchange for a draft pick or prospect. This would create much needed cap room for them to sign Point to an extension.
Kadri is a POS  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:20 pm : link
I wouldn't give up much for him.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well.
2:10 PM - 20 Jun 2019
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pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:20 pm : link

Pierre LeBrun
‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun
Jun 20

Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Darren Dreger

Im told Carolina and Toronto recently had a chat about a deal involving Kapanen and Brown going to the Canes in a package involving Pesce. But I dont think Carolina wants to move Pesce at this point. That could change of course ...
Clark wasn't the problem.  
Torrag : 6/21/2019 5:23 pm : link
The #41 overall in 2015 and #59 in 2013 were the ONLY 2nd Round picks they made spanning the 2013 through 2016 drafts.

Prior to that Gordie Clarks 1st round selections were Skjei(#28), JT Miller(#15), McIlrath(#10- his only significant 'miss') and Chris Kreider(#19) dating back through the 2009 draft.

As I've said before Gordie Clark has done a good job for the organization as head scout given that he made only 4 mid to late Round 1st round selections in eight years prior to 2017 and 9 total selections through two rounds in the same time frame.

Sather was the problem not Clark.
Yeah, I lean that way too, Torrag. God, what miserable  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 5:35 pm : link
decisions he made in chasing a Cup.
Here is a link  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:37 pm : link
with a decent draft review from Sam Cosentino a few days ago.

Though, he now says CHI is leaning KIrby Dach at #3
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Kadri is a POS  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14479464 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't give up much for him.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well.
2:10 PM - 20 Jun 2019

I want no part of Kadri. Kapanen on the other hand would fill a big hole for NJ. Vatanen and John Quenneville for Kapanen?
RE: RE: Kadri is a POS  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14479484 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14479464 pjcas18 said:


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I wouldn't give up much for him.


Darren Dreger
‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Toronto Maple Leafs bracing for activity. Telling teams they will listen on Kapanen and Kadri. Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri. Strong sense Connor Brown could go as well.
2:10 PM - 20 Jun 2019


I want no part of Kadri. Kapanen on the other hand would fill a big hole for NJ. Vatanen and John Quenneville for Kapanen?


I like Kapanen but Leafs should be more desperate than that. They need to sign Marner.
pj  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:42 pm : link
what do you think about Kapanen? Is he going to be a solid player like he was last year or was that just a product of playing with all those stars? Could his career be similar to Palmieri where he just needed a change of scenery and a bigger role to produce.
I'd be willing to eat a bad contract  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:43 pm : link
to lower the price for Kapanen just not Zaitsev.
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14479486 Jay on the Island said:
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what do you think about Kapanen? Is he going to be a solid player like he was last year or was that just a product of playing with all those stars? Could his career be similar to Palmieri where he just needed a change of scenery and a bigger role to produce.


I don't think his linemates carry him like whoever plays wing with Crosby gets carried, but you play with Auston Matthews you will get an uplift in production.

I like Kapanen though and very little of his points came on the PP.

I think just one goal.

I think he's a 60-point player in the right situation, who is not a defensive liability.
RE: RE: pj  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14479489 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14479486 Jay on the Island said:


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what do you think about Kapanen? Is he going to be a solid player like he was last year or was that just a product of playing with all those stars? Could his career be similar to Palmieri where he just needed a change of scenery and a bigger role to produce.



I don't think his linemates carry him like whoever plays wing with Crosby gets carried, but you play with Auston Matthews you will get an uplift in production.

I like Kapanen though and very little of his points came on the PP.

I think just one goal.

I think he's a 60-point player in the right situation, who is not a defensive liability.

Sounds like a Devils type then. It wouldn't surprise me if Shero pulls a trade for him tonight. It's unlikely the Devils use all three of their 2nd round picks.


Shero traded a 2nd for Palmieri and a 2nd and 3rd for Marcus Johnansson. Kapanen is very similar to those two in terms of draft position and production.
I think  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 5:54 pm : link
it might be different now. Maybe more fan friendly.

but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford, CT (1994) and it was maybe the most boring sporting event I have ever been to and second place (a pre-season NFL game) is not even remotely close.

RE: I think  
JayBinQueens : 6/21/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14479494 pjcas18 said:
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it might be different now. Maybe more fan friendly.

but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford, CT (1994) and it was maybe the most boring sporting event I have ever been to and second place (a pre-season NFL game) is not even remotely close.



With how long they take between picks, I cant see how going to the draft is fun, unless your team has a top 10 pick
RE: RE: I think  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14479512 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 14479494 pjcas18 said:


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it might be different now. Maybe more fan friendly.

but I went to the draft when it was in Hartford, CT (1994) and it was maybe the most boring sporting event I have ever been to and second place (a pre-season NFL game) is not even remotely close.





With how long they take between picks, I cant see how going to the draft is fun, unless your team has a top 10 pick


It was free then, I guess in an effort to keep the Whalers, but holy shit it was boring. No idea if there is a fee now, or if it's more fan friendly.

they had the Stanley Cup there, so that was cool to see the cup up close, but otherwise I don't advise attending it to anyone.
30 minutes roughly  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 7:28 pm : link
from draft start.
Wow  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 8:08 pm : link
That Devils Draft Party has like 50 people there total
Bettman  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:09 pm : link
getting boed mercilessly brings out the Sedins to curtail the boos,
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pjcas18 : 6/21/2019 8:09 pm : link

Adam Herman
‏Verified account @AdamZHerman
3m3 minutes ago

Vesey & BUF still look like "A Thing." Doesn't mean a deal is happening or even close, but that campfire is still burning.

Alex Nylander has been linked, and makes plenty of sense. Buffalo doesn't have a 2nd-round pick this year. Would they move 31st overall? Wouldn't bet on it.
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