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pjcas18 : 6/18/2019 9:12 am
Thought I'd start a thread for general NHL Draft discussion.

Date: 6/21
Where: Vancouver

The story of the draft so far is that American players are set to dominate the early portion of the draft.

Besides projected #1 Jack Hughes, I've seen as many as 6 of the top 10 projected as American players.

Who are they?

Hughes (C) projected #1, everyone knows him

Cole Caufield has been routinely called the "best goal scorer" in the draft. and he helped himself out in a major way at the U18's in April. I'm still leery of a 5' 7" NHL player, but Alex Debrincat (who Caufield is often compared to) maybe helped dissuade those concerns with his 40 G/76P season as a 21-year old.

Alex Turcotte, another American C, does everything IMO, he can score, play defensively, and is a good skater.

Trevor Zegras, has played W and C, not sure what he is in the NHL, oozes skill and manages to combine it with a hard nose style and good hockey IQ

Matthew Boldy, a LW, he might be my favorite non-Hughes American draftee, I see him as a Ryan O'Reilly type with how he approaches the game, so smart, so skilled, just not a C.

Spencer Knight, #1 rated goalie and if he goes this high would be a rarity, the NHL has moved away from 1st round goalies as a norm

other US notables:

Cam York (beast D, in the McAvoy mold)

Bobby Orr Brink (no shit that's his name) - maybe the sleeper of the bunch, loved his play at the U18's

Arthur Kaliyev, goal scorer? check. Not a great skater though. How then does he join Tavares, Stamkos, Skinner, and Debrincat as the only players to score 50 goals in the OHL in their 17/18 year old seasons? Can't argue with the stats, but he's a guy I'd really want to evaluate at the combone.

Alex Vlasic - a massive kid at 6' 6" at 18 years old and cousin to Marc-douard Vlasic, reminds me a little of the Samuelsson's last year (Ulf and Kjell's kids), need some work, but with that size it's not hard to envision.

Draft order, post Trouba trade:

2019 NHL DRAFT FIRST-ROUND ORDER

1. New Jersey Devils

2. New York Rangers

3. Chicago Blackhawks

4. Colorado Avalanche (from Ottawa Senators)

5. Los Angeles Kings

6. Detroit Red Wings

7. Buffalo Sabres

8. Edmonton Oilers

9. Anaheim Ducks

10. Vancouver Canucks

11. Philadelphia Flyers

12. Minnesota Wild

13. Florida Panthers

14. Arizona Coyotes

15. Montreal Canadiens

16. Colorado Avalanche

17. Vegas Golden Knights

18. Dallas Stars

19. Ottawa Senators (from Columbus Blue Jackets)

20. Winnipeg Jets (from New York Rangers)

21. Pittsburgh Penguins

22. Los Angeles Kings (from Toronto Maple Leafs)

23. New York Islanders

24. Nashville Predators

25. Washington Capitals

26. Calgary Flames

27. Tampa Bay Lightning

28. Carolina Hurricanes

29. Anaheim Ducks [or Buffalo Sabres] (from San Jose Sharks)

30. Boston Bruins

31. Buffalo Sabres [or Anaheim Ducks] (from St. Louis Blues)


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Never thought..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/24/2019 8:59 am : link
I'd see anyone from Elmira in a hockey draft.

Not only did I see it when the Bruins drafted John Beecher in the first round, but I went to school and played ball with his Dad.
RE: Never thought..  
Stu11 : 6/24/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14480903 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'd see anyone from Elmira in a hockey draft.

Not only did I see it when the Bruins drafted John Beecher in the first round, but I went to school and played ball with his Dad.

Crazy when you think some of the recent top picks that were US born and where they came from-Clayton Keller, Missouri, Hughes- Florida, Couturier and Tkachuck -Arizona, Auston Mathews, California. Devs have 2 guys from Texas. Hockey has really branched of to the sun belt.
Being born somewhere  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 10:22 am : link
and where you grew up/played are very different things in some cases.

I don't think any of the Hughes kids even put on a pair of skates in Florida. They were in Boston when they started skating but grew up in Toronto for a lot of their life.

The Tkachuk's and Keller grew up in St. Louis, which is maybe surprisingly or not, a decent hockey town for youth hockey.

Couturier grew up in Canada.

Matthews is IMO the anomaly, I believe he was born in CA, but moved to AZ early and played there until the USNDTP.

that is pretty amazing (and rare IMO).

80% of Americans in the NHL were born (not even grew up, born) in 9 states: MI, MN, MA, NY, IL, WI, NJ, CT and CA

It is expanding, and it's a good thing, just wanted to highlight born is maybe misleading.

Brian Leetch was born in TX, but moved to CT when he was 3 months old (for example)
Richard Park was born in SoCal  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:35 am : link
But he moved to Canada when he was fairly young, like 11 or 12. He was already a hockey player but most likely wouldn't have developed to the same extent had he stayed in California.
Brooks Orpik is another one  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:37 am : link
Born in the Bay Area but grew up in upstate NY.
RE: By the way  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14480895 pjcas18 said:
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I read that Caufield thinks he can make the team.

And if he gets selected for main training camp he might go.

If a player goes to the main training camp (not dev camp) they lose their eligibility. He was drafted in the juniors, so like Nick Suzuki he could go to main camp get cut and play juniors a year or two.

I still think he goes to Wisco at least a year, but it was interesting to hear him say that. Confident kid.



I suspect he is eager to show up the team's that passed him up asap

Selfishly I hope he becomes a Badger
RE: RE: By the way  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14481269 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14480895 pjcas18 said:


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I read that Caufield thinks he can make the team.

And if he gets selected for main training camp he might go.

If a player goes to the main training camp (not dev camp) they lose their eligibility. He was drafted in the juniors, so like Nick Suzuki he could go to main camp get cut and play juniors a year or two.

I still think he goes to Wisco at least a year, but it was interesting to hear him say that. Confident kid.




I suspect he is eager to show up the team's that passed him up asap

Selfishly I hope he becomes a Badger


His brother is on the team (Wisconsin) as will be Turcotte and Lindmark from his team this year (USNDTP U18).

I think he goes at least a year.

It would be cool to see Caufield (5' 7") with Sean Dhooghe (5' 3") on a line.

LOL re Dhougue (sp)  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 2:49 pm : link
he can also put the puck in the net.

And let's not forget (for us Ranger fans) D'Andre Miller!

I will be scouring the net for Badger games LOL

I had season tickets for eight years in the glory days of Badger Bob, RIP
RE: LOL re Dhougue (sp)  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14481320 Jay in Toronto said:
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he can also put the puck in the net.

And let's not forget (for us Ranger fans) D'Andre Miller!

I will be scouring the net for Badger games LOL

I had season tickets for eight years in the glory days of Badger Bob, RIP


K'Andre

he's fun to watch.

When you are almost a PPG player as a college freshman on the blue line, you have offensive game.

still has more forward than defensive tendencies which is great in the offensive zone - he loves to join the rush, but I saw him lose his guy a few times in the D zone. He'll get it fixed and be a great NHL player.

RE: RE: LOL re Dhougue (sp)  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14481324 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14481320 Jay in Toronto said:


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he can also put the puck in the net.

And let's not forget (for us Ranger fans) D'Andre Miller!

I will be scouring the net for Badger games LOL

I had season tickets for eight years in the glory days of Badger Bob, RIP



K'Andre

he's fun to watch.

When you are almost a PPG player as a college freshman on the blue line, you have offensive game.

still has more forward than defensive tendencies which is great in the offensive zone - he loves to join the rush, but I saw him lose his guy a few times in the D zone. He'll get it fixed and be a great NHL player.


I'm biased, but I think he'll get some good coaching at UW

It will be interesting to see what Davidson does with Hartford. Mike Eves just got tabbed to run Columbus' top farm team. I wonder if Davidson was involved in that? Eaves would have been an interesting choice.
I've liked Granato  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 3:17 pm : link
since his own Wisconsin playing days. He played the game the way I would have liked to play it if I were better.

LOL.

I'm sure he's a great coach.

Living in New England I'm surrounded by great college coaches. Providence, Umass, BU, BC, Quinnipiac, Northeastern, Harvard, Yale, even UNH and more.

but yeah, Granato is great I'm sure. Plus I like Bob Motzko a lot too and he left St. Cloud State for Min - I think they'll be good.

Hockey should expand their post-season tournament. 16 teams in a win or go-home tourney is so hard.



PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/24/2019 5:47 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised if they tap someone from the NCAA for Hartford like they did with Quinn for NY

17 current Badgers are at NHL development camps this week.

Don't know how that compares with other teams, but it seems pretty impressive to me.
Dave Hakstol seems like a logical fit for Hartford  
Anakim : 6/24/2019 5:58 pm : link
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Panarin to at least meet with  
Metnut : 6/24/2019 6:08 pm : link
FLA, NYI and NYR.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14481515 Jay in Toronto said:
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I wouldn't be surprised if they tap someone from the NCAA for Hartford like they did with Quinn for NY

17 current Badgers are at NHL development camps this week.

Don't know how that compares with other teams, but it seems pretty impressive to me.


BU had 8 players taken in this draft. WISC had 7.

They probably have similar # of players in dev camp I'd imagine.

Hockey East had 27 players selected, by far the most for any NCAA conference.



PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/25/2019 6:42 am : link

"Quick thought: Caufield to Canadiens at No. 15 ... absolute steal. Tony Granato at Wisconsin is going to turn Cole into an even stronger, better player. And in case you forgot, he scored 72 goals last season."

Mike Morreale
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 6:58 am : link
In comment 14481922 Jay in Toronto said:
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"Quick thought: Caufield to Canadiens at No. 15 ... absolute steal. Tony Granato at Wisconsin is going to turn Cole into an even stronger, better player. And in case you forgot, he scored 72 goals last season."

Mike Morreale


they showed Brendan Gallagher meet Caufield at the draft (Gallagher is a Vancouver native), anyway, not many players can make Gallagher look tall.

Great clip though, Caufield was star struck and his smile never left his face. Who knows how his NHL career winds up but as a Hab, an american, and a good kid, I'll be rooting for him.
Small trade  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 8:22 am : link
but I would not be surprised at all to see CHI bounce back and make the playoffs this year.


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The Hurricanes traded defenseman Calvin de Haan and forward prospect Aleksi Saarela to the Blackhawks on Monday for goalie Anton Forsberg and defenseman Gustav Forsling.
It's looking more and more like  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/25/2019 1:06 pm : link
the Rangers, the Islanders, and the Panthers are the big favorites for Artemi Panarin. I think they Isles would've locked up Lee by now if they didn't think they might not have enough cap room. Pretty exciting times. Can't wait to be disappointed when he's playing at the Garden.
Small class  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 2:45 pm : link
not sure on Zubov, never looked up his numbers, but he doesn't seem like HOF to me.

And I like Charbonneau, but more worthy players than him.


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Hearing the Hockey Hall of Fame will induct Hayley Wickenheiser, Vaclav Nedomansky, Sergei Zubov and Guy Carbonneau.
1:56 PM - 25 Jun 2019
Speaking of Brooks Orpik  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2019 3:24 pm : link
he announced his retirement today.

Nice career, played on the edge and crossed the line occasionally, got the most out of his ability IMO.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 6/25/2019 3:36 pm : link
I played against Andrew Ference in a tournament this weekend. His team smoked us 8-1 or something like that. I had the lone goal, which means I could play in the NHL.

Also stood next to Colton Orr who could end my life in 3 seconds.

Rangers drafted at least five Hall of Famers this weekend.

Solid weekend. pj sucks.
Zubov might be a bit borderline, but you can make a decent argument  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 3:37 pm : link
20th all time in Defensive Point Shares, 14th in Offensive Point Shares as a defenseman, 19th in defenseman scoring. Compares favorably to, say, Rob Blake, who's in the Hall. Others he has at least as good a case, if not better, who are in: Borje Salming, Guy Lapointe, Mark Howe, Rod Langway
Roberto Luongo retired.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2019 2:40 pm : link
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RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14482522 BrettNYG10 said:
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I played against Andrew Ference in a tournament this weekend. His team smoked us 8-1 or something like that. I had the lone goal, which means I could play in the NHL.

Also stood next to Colton Orr who could end my life in 3 seconds.

Rangers drafted at least five Hall of Famers this weekend.

Solid weekend. pj sucks.


that sounds like a fun tournament. most of my tournaments these dats you can't have any pro experience, of any kind, they screen hockeydb to see if you do.

One of my teammates. at 43, got a contract with the Delaware Federals of the FHL - just for a two-game stint against the Cape Cod Blue Fins

Which is awesome. He can now claim he's been a pro hockey player, but now he can't play tournaments with us (at least those that screen for pros). Idiot.

but I'd do it in a heartbeat. He didn't even look THAT out of place. He did go to Union though, so he's not some hack.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2019 4:19 pm : link
The Washington Capitals have traded forward Andre Burakovsky to the Colorado Avalanche for second- and third-round picks in the 2020 NHL draft, the team announced Friday. Burakovsky requested the trade, according to a person with knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Not unexpected, but savvy move by the Caps.
Interesting stats on Subban vs Weber  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2019 5:10 pm : link
now that Subban was a cap dump by a contending team, the see saw is for now tilted to Weber in Habs land (not with me though I like Weber too).


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Comparing team C Weber to Cap dump Subban in goals for vs goals against at even strength

2016-17

Weber - 54 gf 35 ga
Subban - 52 gf 57 ga

2018-19

Weber - 54 gf 39 ga
Subban - 54 gf 52 ga

This is why Weber is who every GM wants
#Canadiens #subbanistas #hatersgonnahate
Kessel  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:41 pm : link
traded to Coyotes.

details forthcoming.

Galchenyuk  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:48 pm : link
back to PIT.

Love this for PIT.

No idea why Arizona would do this.
Pens robbed the Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 7:55 pm : link
if the Pens are smart they'll put Galchenyuk on a line with Sid.


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PO Joseph and Galchenyuk to Pittsburgh for Kessel and a 4th round pick.
7:49 PM - 29 Jun 2019
How come every Metro team  
Metnut : 6/29/2019 8:30 pm : link
has to rip off the other team in each trade. Infuriating.
Yep agreed Pitt did really well here  
Stu11 : 6/29/2019 8:41 pm : link
However Galchenyuk is still a lot of potential VS. Kessel's production. Listen I'm Pitt I do the deal 10 times out of 10 but Kessel is still one of the best pure producers in the league.
I think Galchenyuk  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 8:55 pm : link
and Kessel are similar players, both have ridiculous shots, snipers, but Galchenyuk is 25 (vs Kessel 32 before next season) and Galchenyuk has upside.

Kessel costs $3M more per year on the cap.

PO Joseph was a 1st round pick in 2017, solid D prospect.

Matthew Joseph's of the Lightning's brother.

Pens win this trade by a lot IMO, unless they are eating salary. Kessel is owed $18M on the cap, Galchenyuk is under contract for this year only for $5.8M.





Sorry  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 8:56 pm : link
Galchenyuk is on for only 4.9M
Dallas buys out  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 10:00 pm : link
Nichushkin, clears the way for Pavelski or Zuccarello. NYR fans hope it's Zucc, since that makes the DAL pick a 1st.
The Athletic - Custance  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2019 10:38 pm : link
loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 12:17 pm : link

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Deal is official: James Reimer traded from Panthers to Hurricanes for Scott Darling, 6th. And Florida is buying out Darling.
I always liked Kessel.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/30/2019 12:44 pm : link
Pens wouldn't have won those two Cups without him.
PJ I'm pleasently surprised that it hasn't leaked more  
Stu11 : 6/30/2019 2:30 pm : link
That guys have agreed to FA deals. I like the whole July 1 frenzy. Thought with the legal tampering period that would change this year.
RE: PJ I'm pleasently surprised that it hasn't leaked more  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14486794 Stu11 said:
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That guys have agreed to FA deals. I like the whole July 1 frenzy. Thought with the legal tampering period that would change this year.


Same here but I'm also a little nervous, rumors are the Canadiens will be doing something big. and they didn't buy anyone out (which I supported since no buyout made sense), so that means either trade or one of the 5 or 6 big name FA's.

I've heard Anders Lee, I prefer Duchene, but what they really need is D, I just don't want to pay Tyler Myers $7M+ per season b/c he's the tallest midget in FA among the available D.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 4:53 pm : link

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Veteran goalie Mike Smith has chosen the #Oilers. Hes more or less trading places with Cam Talbot, who as we hinted on Monday, is heading to the #Flames.

More on what that means for Lehner, Mrazek, and the rest of the goalie market on @SportsCentre at 6pm ET.
4:32 PM - 30 Jun 2019
Habs clear space  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 5:13 pm : link
they traded two 2nd's for Shaw in the first place.

I like it. I liked Shaw more than I thought, but he's absolutely expendable.


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RE: The Athletic - Custance  
Rover : 6/30/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14486486 pjcas18 said:
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loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.

You were the one person I wanted to ask about this trade, since you know Galchenyuk.
From what I read, most feel he is like Kessel (lazy defensively, picky about where he wants to play, as in being a center) without the finishing ability or productivity.

From the sounds of it, sounds like PIT got good value given their situation, but that Galchenyuk either will do great and cost too much to re-sign OR the Pens will have his cap space the following season.

What do you think about Galchenyuk?
RE: I always liked Kessel.  
Rover : 6/30/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14486682 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pens wouldn't have won those two Cups without him.

He should have and would have been the Conn Smyth winner in 2016, except the Toronto/Canadian media had a grudge.

That said, his act wore thin, didn't want to play on 3rd line, only with Malkin and his bad defense rubbed off on Malkin.
Also, some feel he is losing his scoring ability and will not age well.
RE: RE: The Athletic - Custance  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14487220 Rover said:
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In comment 14486486 pjcas18 said:


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loves the trade for the Coyotes, not so much for the Pens.

Just my disdain for Kessel I guess. I don't see him changing anything in AZ, but at the same time I see nothing changing in PIT, and I think that speaks more about Galchenyuk than it does about Kessel.

We will find out.


You were the one person I wanted to ask about this trade, since you know Galchenyuk.
From what I read, most feel he is like Kessel (lazy defensively, picky about where he wants to play, as in being a center) without the finishing ability or productivity.

From the sounds of it, sounds like PIT got good value given their situation, but that Galchenyuk either will do great and cost too much to re-sign OR the Pens will have his cap space the following season.

What do you think about Galchenyuk?


I love Galchenyuk, and he's absolutely a finisher, it's his asset, wicked wrist shot, sick one-timer, he should be the power play shooter.

But yeah, he's been bad defensively, and slow to learn, so coaches like Julien and Therrien buried him.

Very eager to see what Sullivan does for his game.

I don't think he's a C, so I'd play him next to Crosby and slide Guentzel to the Malkin line, Alex may be the most skilled winger to play alongside Crosby if they do that.
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2019 7:14 pm : link
not done. Clearing space and accumulating picks for 2020 draft which not coincidentally is in MTL


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Bob McKenzie  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 7:18 pm : link
thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!
Varmalov could be a fit with NYI  
Metnut : 6/30/2019 7:25 pm : link
if they can add Panarin at around $12M aav and let lehner walk. Would still be ample left over space after that to add a bottom six center.
RE: Bob McKenzie  
Rover : 6/30/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14487296 Metnut said:
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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!

That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.
RE: RE: Bob McKenzie  
Mike in NY : 6/30/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14487324 Rover said:
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In comment 14487296 Metnut said:


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thinks speculation is looking like Panarin to NYI and Bobo to FLA. Would be fucking awesome if true. Please happen!


That would make no sense.
I don't see why Panarin would split with Bob, and why he would chose NYI, when he can be with coach Q tax free in FLA.


Because even with Bob and Panarin, Florida is not a playoff team, Islanders are. Not to mention Barry Trotz is no slouch of a Head Coach and New York is more media exposure than Florida.
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