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NFT: Knicks reject trade offer for #3 pick

MattyKid : 6/18/2019 1:54 pm
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Do these teams take into account  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 2:03 pm : link
the incoming crop of players in addition to just the picks?

8 and 10 for 3 in this draft is an insult.
When that trade offer call came in Scott Perry was like:  
Stu11 : 6/18/2019 3:07 pm : link
Glad to hear this  
Chris L. : 6/18/2019 3:13 pm : link
I have a lot of faith in Scott Perry. This first pick should be a no brainer. It is Ja or Barrett whichever of the two is left.
Garland's upside is as high as anyone not named Zion in this Draft  
Torrag : 6/18/2019 3:23 pm : link
If the Knicks decided to take him at #3 I'd be fine with it. Barrett long term has just as many questions to answer about being a pro as Garland does. I will be honest while I like Barrett a lot my one concern are his shooting percentages, from the floor, beyond the stripe and at the foul line.
Garland  
Reeses Pieces : 6/18/2019 3:25 pm : link
He is a shoot first PG, that tends to over dribble and disrupt the flow of offense. I would take Barrett of Ja over him every day of the week.
Garland barely played this year with the injury  
Torrag : 6/18/2019 3:38 pm : link
Noone knows exactly what he is except he's athletically gifted and has a sweet stroke. Of course he needs coaching and development. To attempt to pigeonhole him at this stage of his game as 'a shoot first PG' is premature.
No need to overthink it  
adamg : 6/18/2019 3:44 pm : link
RJ at 3. Nough said.
It's not 'overthinking it' to workout the most talented prospects  
Torrag : 6/18/2019 3:51 pm : link
Garland is one of them.

It's also not smart to turn Barrett into something he isn't when evaluating him, like a great shooter right now.

I'll be kool with whatever decision this FO makes and I haven't said that about a Knicks braintrust in a long time.
RE: It's not 'overthinking it' to workout the most talented prospects  
adamg : 6/18/2019 3:54 pm : link
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Garland is one of them.

It's also not smart to turn Barrett into something he isn't when evaluating him, like a great shooter right now.

I'll be kool with whatever decision this FO makes and I haven't said that about a Knicks braintrust in a long time.


I was talking more about trading the pick than working out a guy. That's due diligence stuff. It's nice to actually have a top 3 pick in a draft known as a three player draft.
I personally think and have for a while it's a four player Draft  
Torrag : 6/18/2019 3:56 pm : link
With Garland being #4. I have the 'break in talent' to the next tier after him.
I don't think Garland is known for being athletically gifted  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 4:00 pm : link
He's really skinny and not really explosive. What he's valued for is sharp shooting and a good playmaking point guard. Defense probably will be a struggle for him due to his lack of size and strength.
Can Garland play the 2?  
larryflower37 : 6/18/2019 4:01 pm : link
I know it's a small sample but he shot the lights out.
Also if we do draft Ja or Garland. Can we move DSJ and/or Frank for a late teens first?
RE: Can Garland play the 2?  
DanMetroMan : 6/18/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14475863 larryflower37 said:
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I know it's a small sample but he shot the lights out.
Also if we do draft Ja or Garland. Can we move DSJ and/or Frank for a late teens first?


How many successful 6'2 175 2 guards are there in the league currently?
RE: RE: Can Garland play the 2?  
larryflower37 : 6/18/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14475867 DanMetroMan said:
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I know it's a small sample but he shot the lights out.
Also if we do draft Ja or Garland. Can we move DSJ and/or Frank for a late teens first?



How many successful 6'2 175 2 guards are there in the league currently?

So I am guessing in your opinion that's a no?
How many successful QB under 6' ? Doesn't mean there are not unicorns out there
Everything I have read and heard he has Kyrie type skills. Not suggesting to draft him since most don't have a good read on him only playing 5 college games.
Just looking for where he fits
He's  
DanMetroMan : 6/18/2019 4:18 pm : link
not a great pure athlete. He's a scoring 1 if he's going to be a plus NBA player. He can't guard 2's at that size. QB is a one-way position. Not comparable
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/18/2019 4:19 pm : link
Knicks related but Chris Paul has asked out of Houston.
RE: Not  
nygiants16 : 6/18/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14475875 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks related but Chris Paul has asked out of Houston.


#3, knox, frank, dennis smith, two future dallas picks for paul..

Sign carmelo and wade...

oh its not 10 years agao...
RE: Not  
larryflower37 : 6/18/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14475875 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks related but Chris Paul has asked out of Houston.


What a joke. No one is touching that contract. Houston is stuck with him.
RE: Not  
Eli Wilson : 6/18/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14475875 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks related but Chris Paul has asked out of Houston.


How long before he is on the Lakers?
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Strahan91 : 6/18/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14475880 larryflower37 said:
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Knicks related but Chris Paul has asked out of Houston.



What a joke. No one is touching that contract. Houston is stuck with him.

Garland is a big risk given the small sample size.  
Strahan91 : 6/18/2019 4:41 pm : link
One that I don't think the Knicks can afford unless they get a godfather-type offer to move down. He could be Malik Monk 2.0 or Damian Lillard 2.0 but it's hard to tell from a 4 game sample size, 3 of which were against Winthrop, Alcorn St, and Liberty.
how do the lakers do that?  
nygiants16 : 6/18/2019 4:41 pm : link
they dont have the salary and cap room to make it work
RE: how do the lakers do that?  
Strahan91 : 6/18/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14475897 nygiants16 said:
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they dont have the salary and cap room to make it work

Paul's cap # is $38.5M next year. If the Lakers and Pelicans wait until 7/30 to finalize the AD deal I believe they could make it work with Paul if AD waives his trade kicker but I could be off.
Garland  
XBRONX : 6/18/2019 5:00 pm : link
more turnovers than assists, that is putrid for a guard.
I didn't realize Garland only played 4 games and change. I thought  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 5:00 pm : link
he was a Lillard clone, but he might not be as explosive.
RE: RE: how do the lakers do that?  
larryflower37 : 6/18/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14475903 Strahan91 said:
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they dont have the salary and cap room to make it work


Paul's cap # is $38.5M next year. If the Lakers and Pelicans wait until 7/30 to finalize the AD deal I believe they could make it work with Paul if AD waives his trade kicker but I could be off.

Reports are the deal close July 6th cutting out the 3rd Max deal. They only have 23 million available
.,  
DanMetroMan : 6/18/2019 5:20 pm : link
The Knicks may get themselves a potential All-Star on Thursday just by waiting for Memphis to select.

According to Ryan Blake, draft consultant to the NBA, the Knicks cant go wrong with the third pick in the draft at Barclays Center. At No. 2, Memphis will take either Murray State point guard Ja Morant as many believe or Duke swingman RJ Barrett, and the Knicks will be in good shape.

Blake called it a tough one to choose between the two college studs, but added, If I was starting a team from scratch, Id give a little edge to Ja. He has a little bit more proven weaponry.

However, Blake is also in love with Barrett.

I think hes going to be a future All-Star, Blake said. We look at where we were a year ago 99 percent of the decision-makers said RJ will definitely be the No. 1 pick. Both guys are high-guarantee types from background, exposure, personality, ability.
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The New York Knicks are extremely open to trading Frank Ntilikina for a late first-rounder or second-rounder, per @NYPost_Berman
Apparently Frank switched agents  
bceagle05 : 6/18/2019 5:26 pm : link
because he wasn't getting the same amount of endorsements other lottery picks are getting. That tends to happen when you suck.
The issue with the Knicks is of the stomach  
ghost718 : 6/18/2019 5:28 pm : link
no guts
Haha, didnt Frank stay with his agent to prep for the draft?  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 6:11 pm : link
The only products Id have him endorse would be toilet paper and anti-depressants. Cant believe Phil had Mitchell in for a workout and decided to pick someone who doesnt jump too high and get triple doubles.
Phil was asleep  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/18/2019 6:35 pm : link
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I'd trade  
MookGiants : 6/18/2019 6:36 pm : link
Frank for a ham sandwich.

Absolutely dreadful pick.
RE: Haha, didnt Frank stay with his agent to prep for the draft?  
TommyWiseau : 6/18/2019 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14475969 Jim in Hoboken said:
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The only products Id have him endorse would be toilet paper and anti-depressants. Cant believe Phil had Mitchell in for a workout and decided to pick someone who doesnt jump too high and get triple doubles.


Mitchell didn't fit Phils bullshit triangle offense. Mitchell wanted to be a Knick too
I've read that Kawhi is likely to sign with either Toronto or the  
Ira : 6/18/2019 7:00 pm : link
Clips but will meet with other teams.

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ChaChing : 6/18/2019 7:10 pm : link
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The New York Knicks are extremely open to trading Frank Ntilikina for a late first-rounder or second-rounder, per @NYPost_Berman

Knicks are 'extremely open' to be given 'anything for nothing'

We've been patient on Frank, and will pull for him for as long as he's a Knick. But he's done almost nothing. I have a huge love for D, but rarely saw him be THAT exceptional in spite of flashes - neither as help or on the ball - on D, much less his uselessness on O. Even the things he could do well on O, he'd take himself out being timid or scared at least in his decision-making on court

Almost reminds me of Jared Jeffries, not exactly the same and JJ was better (i guess), but was touted the team's best defender by the worst D coach on the worst D team. Sure he tried and was likeable, but was awful at NBA bball
It makes no sense to trade Frank now  
Oscar : 6/18/2019 7:12 pm : link
The team is going nowhere next season, let him play one more year and see what youve got.
Frank was one of those rare picks that everyone hated  
Stu11 : 6/18/2019 7:21 pm : link
And actually turned out worse than we imagined.
We drafted Frank knowing full well  
Chris684 : 6/18/2019 7:37 pm : link
his ceiling is/was George Hill.

Bilas and every other expert the night of that draft was saying solid starter was his best case scenario.

Ugh.
can we stop calling ainge a genius  
nygiants16 : 6/18/2019 7:45 pm : link
Horford now planning on leaving the celtics
It's not a given that Horford is leaving the C's...  
Gmaniac1 : 6/18/2019 7:50 pm : link
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Gmaniac1 : 6/18/2019 7:51 pm : link
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RE: It's not a given that Horford is leaving the C's...  
nygiants16 : 6/18/2019 7:56 pm : link
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umm maybe you should refresh twitter..
RE: RE: It's not a given that Horford is leaving the C's...  
Gmaniac1 : 6/18/2019 8:01 pm : link
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umm maybe you should refresh twitter..

Interesting. I hadn't seen this latest update.

Horford is on the hunt for a championship, and with the C's failing to land AD... doesn't look like that's in the cards with Boston.

Where might Horford end up? He'd be an amazing add for a team like Houston... although I haven't studied if they could afford him. Al might be willing to take a discount for a title chance, though.
RE: can we stop calling ainge a genius  
Sean : 6/18/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14476056 nygiants16 said:
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Horford now planning on leaving the celtics


This is spot on. The Celtics sat on their assets and were not aggressive & may have missed their window.
RE: can we stop calling ainge a genius  
TyreeHelmet : 6/18/2019 8:14 pm : link
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Horford now planning on leaving the celtics


I love seeing this. And hopefully can stop hearing about Bostons treasure chest of assets.
Ainge isn't a genius  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/18/2019 8:27 pm : link
But he is a very good GM.

What happened to the Celts is that Kyrie just went off the deep end & torpedoed their season/immediate future. If he planned on staying in Boston, you sure as hell can bet AD is a Celtic right now, not a Laker. Also, they did get screwed with that Rose Rule. They would have gotten AD this winter.

I'm not crying for the Celts, but I think they'll still be good next year. A top 3 or 4 team in the East? Probably not, but I don't think they're going to fall off that much. Losing Kyrie will eliminate a lot of the drama surrounding them. Tatum, Brown, Hayward Scary Terry, Smart, etc. are all good pieces. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Horford. He's invaluable.
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tyrik13 : 6/18/2019 8:33 pm : link
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I know it's a small sample but he shot the lights out.
Also if we do draft Ja or Garland. Can we move DSJ and/or Frank for a late teens first?



How many successful 6'2 175 2 guards are there in the league currently?


Trae Young, Lou Williams, kemba Walker, DeAaron Fox, Mike Conley, Darren collison, DJ Augustin... there are a bunch of successful undersized score first PG in the league. That was a bad example, try that again.
Darius Garland is a  
tyrik13 : 6/18/2019 8:35 pm : link
Gilbert Arenas clone imo, and he definitely does belong in the top tier of players along with Zion, RJ, and Ja.
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christian : 6/18/2019 8:59 pm : link
Horford leaving might be a positive for the C's.

They went to two conference championships, made a play for Irving, and lured Hayward.

They couldn't get by LeBron, and frankly weren't going to get smoked by the Warriors.

Irving doesn't want to be there, and Horford is a good, not max player.

It's time for the Celtics to retool around Tatum, Brown, Smart, Hayward, and possibly Rozier.

If Celtics don't keep Rozier they very well may land Russell.
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BigBlueShock : 6/18/2019 9:23 pm : link
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I know it's a small sample but he shot the lights out.
Also if we do draft Ja or Garland. Can we move DSJ and/or Frank for a late teens first?



How many successful 6'2 175 2 guards are there in the league currently?



Trae Young, Lou Williams, kemba Walker, DeAaron Fox, Mike Conley, Darren collison, DJ Augustin... there are a bunch of successful undersized score first PG in the league. That was a bad example, try that again.
you may want to try reading his post again before making yourself look like a fool...
The more I think about this offseason  
djm : 6/18/2019 10:52 pm : link
The more I want a legit floor general for the Knicks. Only way to get better is with players. Knicks have always needed a legit PG. please get one.
Offseason  
TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2019 8:27 am : link
I think at this point their best option is to sign Durant and sit him out next year. Hope DSJ, Knox, Mitch, Frank, Dotson make huge strides and most importantly hope Barrett really flashes as a rookie. Its time for Fizdale to earn that contract with these young guys. And if that Illyasova trade is available, Id do it for the 30th pick.

If they start going down the Julius Randle and Bobby Portis route, this season just became more of a disaster.
RE: Frank was one of those rare picks that everyone hated  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2019 8:32 am : link
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And actually turned out worse than we imagined.
Stu, 100% true, yet true to BBI Knicks fans' credo, he's mentioned on almost every thread as having trade value...smh
I think the illyasova...  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 8:34 am : link
type deals are going to have to wait. The knicks still must want to at least keep their option for two max guys open.

I think it was mentioned a couple places (cant remember exactly where) that the knicks interest in Randle would be on a short deal. I think they also mentioned Dlo in the same article, but there is zero chance you are getting him on a short term deal. TBH i dont think you are getting randle on a short term deal either. That said i like the thinking of not locking yourself into a 4/80 mill type deal for a Randle.
ill be clear in saying..  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 8:37 am : link
that i agree that Frank is a bust and i doubt he is anything more then a 15 minute a game role player. That said former lottery picks going into their third year who play plus defense do have some value. And do we really consider a second round pick value? I have seen most knick fans saying they would be floored if we got a first, but they would take a second (or a ham sandwhich). But sure im guessing one guy somewhere said they could get a mid first so all knick fans think he has great value.
If Boston called right now  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 8:47 am : link
offered hayward 14 and 20 for cap space would you do it?
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Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 8:50 am : link
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offered hayward 14 and 20 for cap space would you do it?


In this scenario, are we not getting any other FAs? then yes, I would.
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nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 8:55 am : link
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offered hayward 14 and 20 for cap space would you do it?



In this scenario, are we not getting any other FAs? then yes, I would.


you would still have 37 million in space...could still sign russell and a 10 million dollar player or a ciuple smaller pieces
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 9:05 am : link
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offered hayward 14 and 20 for cap space would you do it?


Bad draft picks and damaged goods. How could you say no?
RE: can we stop calling ainge a genius  
Enzo : 6/19/2019 9:20 am : link
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Horford now planning on leaving the celtics

his master plan may not have resulted in a title (yet), but I'd take him as my team president over a moron like Mills any day.
I would not want to do the Boston trade.  
Chris684 : 6/19/2019 9:23 am : link
Here are some scenarios of interest to me after what has transpired so far this offseason.

Draft:

Sit tight at #3 and take Barrett or Morant.

If New Orleans called about #3, I would listen for #4 and some of their newly acquired Lakers future draft assets and take Garland at #4, but they would really need to sweeten the pot to make it worthwhile.

Trade Frank for a 2nd rounder (early hopefully)

I would also take back Ilyasova's contract for #30 unless we felt we might be jeopardizing 2 max contracts.

Free Agency:

I would stay away from Durant. It sucks that it all changed overnight, but it did. Signing him would almost be cruel in a way knowing that we have him only to watch him sit in a suit every night.

Make the pitch to Kawhi and hope for the best. If it doesn't work out pivot to Russell if available and possibly Randle.

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Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 9:23 am : link
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offered hayward 14 and 20 for cap space would you do it?



Bad draft picks and damaged goods. How could you say no?


Yeah fuck no to that deal
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TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2019 9:42 am : link
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offered hayward 14 and 20 for cap space would you do it?


No I wouldnt. Thats simply not enough for taking on that contract.

And for everyone holding out hope for Kawhi- why on earth would he come to the Knicks? I just dont see any scenario where he seriously considers let alone signs with the Knicks.

And if the Knicks sign Julius Randle to 4 years 80 million Im taking a long break as a fan.
Julius Randle is pretty good  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 9:49 am : link
and just 24. He's not KD, but if he's what the Knicks get, he's pretty good.
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Chris684 : 6/19/2019 9:50 am : link
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No I wouldnt. Thats simply not enough for taking on that contract.

And for everyone holding out hope for Kawhi- why on earth would he come to the Knicks? I just dont see any scenario where he seriously considers let alone signs with the Knicks.

And if the Knicks sign Julius Randle to 4 years 80 million Im taking a long break as a fan.


Well, I mean I'm not kidding myself into thinking he'll definitely be here, but he's taking the meeting. Unless/until he saysa he won't meet with the Knicks I'll hold out some slim hopes.
yeah this isnt the NFL....  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 10:00 am : link
the 14th and 20th picks are nothing special. Id need a top 5 pick to take on a crap contract like GH.
RE: Julius Randle is pretty good  
TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2019 10:02 am : link
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and just 24. He's not KD, but if he's what the Knicks get, he's pretty good. Link - ( New Window )


Awful defender. Good scorer that doesnt do much else on the court to help you win. A big no thanks on any long term deal with him.

Sounds like Horford may head to Brooklyn. It would be hilarious if the Nets signed Irving and Horford away from the Celtics.
I am not a big fan of RJ Barrett  
Essex : 6/19/2019 10:02 am : link
but I can understand why people think he should be the third pick overall. The upside is there, but I think the most likely scenario for him is that he is a solid starter in the league, not an all star, which is fine. I have seen most RJ's college games and I fear he can be stopped at the next level if his outside game does not dramatically improve. I think Garland is intriguing but I have not seen enough of him to make a solid comparison. However, and maybe this is a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when people say we should draft Barrett third because he was supposed to be the number one pick before last year's draft. Well, you know what, we had a year of watching him play and two players surpassed him; if he stayed one more year, in next year's draft should a team pick him 6th because he would have been the third pick this year? The argument makes no sense at all.
Why would BKN...  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 10:06 am : link
want to recreate the Celtics? Are we really going to say that Lavert, Kurocus, and Allen are any better then Tatum, Brown, Smart, etc...?
him being the consensus number 1...  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 10:10 am : link
shouldnt be anyones only reason, but it should be part of the reason. Are we supposed to ignore everything he did before he got to college? So ignoring the few years before college is normal, but determining his future based off one college season is perfectly fine? We have seen tons of guys who were consensus top 3 picks who bomb in college and dont get picked anywhere near there. The point with Barrett is he was the consensus one, went out and had a very good freshmen year and now is third just cause two guys exploded onto the scene.
RE: I am not a big fan of RJ Barrett  
Ron Johnson : 6/19/2019 10:14 am : link
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but I can understand why people think he should be the third pick overall. The upside is there, but I think the most likely scenario for him is that he is a solid starter in the league, not an all star, which is fine. I have seen most RJ's college games and I fear he can be stopped at the next level if his outside game does not dramatically improve. I think Garland is intriguing but I have not seen enough of him to make a solid comparison. However, and maybe this is a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when people say we should draft Barrett third because he was supposed to be the number one pick before last year's draft. Well, you know what, we had a year of watching him play and two players surpassed him; if he stayed one more year, in next year's draft should a team pick him 6th because he would have been the third pick this year? The argument makes no sense at all.

What do you think of Zion's outside shot holding him back? To my eye Zion's outside game is significantly worse than RJ's.
If/when knicks draft barrett  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 10:15 am : link
they need to surround him with shooters, he is going to venwfit a ton from the spacing in the nba, duke had zero shooters and he got to the rim at will..

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Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 10:21 am : link
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and just 24. He's not KD, but if he's what the Knicks get, he's pretty good. Link - ( New Window )



Awful defender. Good scorer that doesnt do much else on the court to help you win. A big no thanks on any long term deal with him.

Sounds like Horford may head to Brooklyn. It would be hilarious if the Nets signed Irving and Horford away from the Celtics.


His problem is consistency, not defensive ability

Look, we all want perfect two way players. But there just aren't that many out there. I have higher hopes for FA, but if we end up with Randle on a 4 year deal, I'll be ok with that, too. He's a very tough and skilled offensively and added 3 pt shooting last year (.344). He's still getting better. The knicks could do worse and have certainly done worse in the past.
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Barrett  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 10:25 am : link
I don't understand the hate for Barrett. He is a 19 year old kid with very good talent, especially fitting in the modern day NBA. To be honest, my fear is that NOLA hops in front of the Knicks and takes him.

His production at Duke is not something to sniff at and when Zion was out, there was barely no support. If you watch the first Syracuse game, where a couple of guys got hurt, he carried that team himself to overtime.

He needs some improvement, but in my mind, he is can be plugged in at the 1,2 or 3 for the next 15 years and watch him improve. I can't say he will be an all-star or not, but he very well could be as he is a very hard worker and skilled.
Randle  
TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2019 10:34 am : link
He got worse on defense last year. He put zero effort in on that end, and thats pretty alarming in a contract year. His 3pt shooting may have improved, but hes still not a good shooter spacing the floor.

If the Knicks prize this offseason is Julius Randle at 4 years 80 million, I will be beyond disappointed.
I keep going back and forth on Randle  
Enzo : 6/19/2019 10:41 am : link
and guys like him. You get him through his prime years and he's likely to improve a bit - but if he's truly awful on defense then you're likely better off avoiding him. I'm going to pretend I've seen a lot of him. But I do like the idea of getting younger guys like him and Russell, or maybe Brogdon (not sure why he'd leave a very good Bucks team though).
Backtracking on kyrie to brooklyn being done has begun  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 10:41 am : link
Woj this morning said the idea is to have kyrie and another star if that doesnt happen, he thinks they just keep russell..
so they are only using kyrie to get the other star?  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 10:46 am : link
seems like an odd thing to do. Wonder what they consider a "star". Tobias? Butler? Or are they saying KD/Kawhi level?
RE: Backtracking on kyrie to brooklyn being done has begun  
TyreeHelmet : 6/19/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14476583 nygiants16 said:
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Woj this morning said the idea is to have kyrie and another star if that doesnt happen, he thinks they just keep russell..


If Kyrie still wants to come to the Knicks with Durant- Im all for it. Even if the Knicks get Durant , I just think its going to be difficult to acquire a true star in the next couple years. 2020 free agent class is pretty bad. Whos the next big star available? Now until 2020, the only stars I could see traded are Conley, Holiday and Beal. But things could always change...

The Knicks are in a tough spot. If they get Durant, id try to sign a couple younger guys as well - i.e Brogdon. But is it better to keep the cap space or overpay to get a couple guys?
RE: RE: I am not a big fan of RJ Barrett  
Essex : 6/19/2019 10:49 am : link
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but I can understand why people think he should be the third pick overall. The upside is there, but I think the most likely scenario for him is that he is a solid starter in the league, not an all star, which is fine. I have seen most RJ's college games and I fear he can be stopped at the next level if his outside game does not dramatically improve. I think Garland is intriguing but I have not seen enough of him to make a solid comparison. However, and maybe this is a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when people say we should draft Barrett third because he was supposed to be the number one pick before last year's draft. Well, you know what, we had a year of watching him play and two players surpassed him; if he stayed one more year, in next year's draft should a team pick him 6th because he would have been the third pick this year? The argument makes no sense at all.


What do you think of Zion's outside shot holding him back? To my eye Zion's outside game is significantly worse than RJ's.

Zion is the biggest risk reward guy I have ever seen. Zion's outside game was putrid (although it did come on a bit after he came back from his knee and he hit some three pointers). Look,if Zion can physically dominate like he did in college in the NBA, he is going to be a superstar. If he can't, he might be a bust. I tend to think he will physically dominate, but anyone who really thinks they know for sure are full of shite.
RE: I am not a big fan of RJ Barrett  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14476540 Essex said:
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but I can understand why people think he should be the third pick overall. The upside is there, but I think the most likely scenario for him is that he is a solid starter in the league, not an all star, which is fine. I have seen most RJ's college games and I fear he can be stopped at the next level if his outside game does not dramatically improve. I think Garland is intriguing but I have not seen enough of him to make a solid comparison. However, and maybe this is a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when people say we should draft Barrett third because he was supposed to be the number one pick before last year's draft. Well, you know what, we had a year of watching him play and two players surpassed him; if he stayed one more year, in next year's draft should a team pick him 6th because he would have been the third pick this year? The argument makes no sense at all.


I basically feel this way exactly
RE: RE: Backtracking on kyrie to brooklyn being done has begun  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14476586 TyreeHelmet said:
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Woj this morning said the idea is to have kyrie and another star if that doesnt happen, he thinks they just keep russell..



If Kyrie still wants to come to the Knicks with Durant- Im all for it. Even if the Knicks get Durant , I just think its going to be difficult to acquire a true star in the next couple years. 2020 free agent class is pretty bad. Whos the next big star available? Now until 2020, the only stars I could see traded are Conley, Holiday and Beal. But things could always change...

The Knicks are in a tough spot. If they get Durant, id try to sign a couple younger guys as well - i.e Brogdon. But is it better to keep the cap space or overpay to get a couple guys?

The 2021 class is loaded. If the Knicks strike out on KD and Kawhi, they should keep the flexibility to have at least one max then ie if you're taking on contracts to get assets make sure they don't run past two years. Paul George, Lillard, McCollum, Gobert, Beal, Giannis, Oladipo could all become UFA's.
RE: so they are only using kyrie to get the other star?  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14476585 Italianju said:
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seems like an odd thing to do. Wonder what they consider a "star". Tobias? Butler? Or are they saying KD/Kawhi level?


like i have been saying kyrie by himself makes no sense for the nets...

this feels like woj is hearing no one else wants the nets
Kyrie  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 11:25 am : link
Kyrie is a strange dude, he might now be thinking the Lakers if they can clear out max space. The media seems to always want to protect the Nets.
'I don't understand the hate for Barrett'...  
Torrag : 6/19/2019 11:27 am : link
What hate? The great majority of posters like him and believe he's the best choice at #3.

What you shouldn't do is make him the second coming because right now he isn't. He's an average floor shooter, poor free throw and 3-point shooter. His handle is decent not great. He has great upside but has to improve several facets of his game to be a difference maker in the future.
I don't hate Barrett. I feel he'll be a good nba player. I'm just  
Ira : 6/19/2019 11:37 am : link
not sure he'll be the best choice after Zion and Morant. There are good arguments for Barrett, Garland and Hunter at 3.
RE: Kyrie  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14476627 Pete44 said:
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Kyrie is a strange dude, he might now be thinking the Lakers if they can clear out max space. The media seems to always want to protect the Nets.


remember when the kyrie to nets rumors first started, it was said it was his people saying he was going to the nets...

Perhaps his people told the nets hey we can convince kyrie to come, and in reality they couldnt..
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Barrett  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 11:39 am : link
based on his skill level and athleticism allows him a pretty high floor. If he can become a 35% 3 pt shooter he has all star potential.
RE: him being the consensus number 1...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 11:55 am : link
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shouldnt be anyones only reason, but it should be part of the reason. Are we supposed to ignore everything he did before he got to college? So ignoring the few years before college is normal, but determining his future based off one college season is perfectly fine? We have seen tons of guys who were consensus top 3 picks who bomb in college and dont get picked anywhere near there. The point with Barrett is he was the consensus one, went out and had a very good freshmen year and now is third just cause two guys exploded onto the scene.


I dont think that it's just because Zion and Morant had breakout years. Part of the equation is that, real or imagined, Barrett didnt build on his "consensus #1" reputation. Part of what goes into calling a guy the top pick in a draft is that you are assuming the player continues to grow and develop.
RE: RE: him being the consensus number 1...  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14476667 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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shouldnt be anyones only reason, but it should be part of the reason. Are we supposed to ignore everything he did before he got to college? So ignoring the few years before college is normal, but determining his future based off one college season is perfectly fine? We have seen tons of guys who were consensus top 3 picks who bomb in college and dont get picked anywhere near there. The point with Barrett is he was the consensus one, went out and had a very good freshmen year and now is third just cause two guys exploded onto the scene.



I dont think that it's just because Zion and Morant had breakout years. Part of the equation is that, real or imagined, Barrett didnt build on his "consensus #1" reputation. Part of what goes into calling a guy the top pick in a draft is that you are assuming the player continues to grow and develop.


Fully agree. Morant kind of exploded "out of nowhere" but Barrett has "dropped" in people's eyes in decent part due to his actual perceived flaws and not simply "he fell because of the other 2"
Conley traded  
shyster : 6/19/2019 11:59 am : link
forget about Morant
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RE: Conley traded  
shyster : 6/19/2019 12:01 pm : link
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forget about Morant


trade is to jazz for crowder, allen, korver, picks
RJ is a Knick  
Oscar : 6/19/2019 12:02 pm : link
Barring something crazy. Hope hes great.
love that trade for UTA....  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 12:44 pm : link
i get that Conley is owed a ton of money, but man that return sux. I thought UTA was going to contend this past year and was a bit off, but now with conley they should def fight for the west.
I wish the Knicks could somehow get another pick in the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
middle of the first round to take Herro.
RE: I wish the Knicks could somehow get another pick in the  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
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middle of the first round to take Herro.


Fuck Tyler Herro
Woj says the Wizards will offer Beal a 3/$111 million extension.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 1:14 pm : link
Hope he declines it - I love Beal's game and I'd hate to see him waste his prime in oblivion.
Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
He's smart and a worker but really limited athletically. He's gonna have some trouble on defense.
RE: RE: Backtracking on kyrie to brooklyn being done has begun  
Vanzetti : 6/19/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14476586 TyreeHelmet said:
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Woj this morning said the idea is to have kyrie and another star if that doesnt happen, he thinks they just keep russell..



If Kyrie still wants to come to the Knicks with Durant- Im all for it. Even if the Knicks get Durant , I just think its going to be difficult to acquire a true star in the next couple years. 2020 free agent class is pretty bad. Whos the next big star available? Now until 2020, the only stars I could see traded are Conley, Holiday and Beal. But things could always change...

The Knicks are in a tough spot. If they get Durant, id try to sign a couple younger guys as well - i.e Brogdon. But is it better to keep the cap space or overpay to get a couple guys?


Better to keep the space. Unless you can get a guy who emerges like Oladipo or like Harden did when he went to Rockets from Thunder.

The nightmare scenario for all Knicks fans should be signing someone like Khris Middleton to a max contract.
They're not handing out a max contract to a nobody.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 1:25 pm : link
However, salaries are exploding, so expect to see the Knicks sign role players to contract that are bigger than you've seen before. 33 year old Horford opted out of 30m a year because he can get more.

This offseason is going to change what an average contract is across the league for non-stars.
Beal would be insane to....  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 1:25 pm : link
turn that down. I mean i know he will get it on the market but who knows what would happen in the next couple years that could change that.
Perry vs Donnie  
Vanzetti : 6/19/2019 1:31 pm : link
When Knicks went after Lebron, they traded away draft picks to clear cap space.

Now they have cleared space by trading POrzingas for Dallas' two picks.

So they are in much better shape because they have options. Donnie basically had no choice but to sign Amare because he had no draft picks to build with.

But now knicks don't have to sign an "Amare" because they have 5 first rounders over the next three years. PLus, the #3 pick this year. I also think the situation in Dallas has the potential to deteriorate and those picks might wind up being better than expected.

But the point is the Knicks have options that they did not have after they "lost out" on Lebron.
RE: Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14476776 Heisenberg said:
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He's smart and a worker but really limited athletically. He's gonna have some trouble on defense.


He's a better athlete than JJ Reddick, who consistently finds himself starting on 50+ win teams. It's a shooting league and this kid can shoot.
It's a 3 player  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
draft. I'm excited for Barrett. Kid really wants to be here.
The real test...  
Jan in DC : 6/19/2019 1:46 pm : link
comes from Free Agency. They have to spend responsibly. If they don't land a big fish, give out short year deals. If people don't want to take them, don't add more years on. Just wait it out. If you overpay a person on a one year deal, it's fine, but overpaying for multiple years with mediocre talent is what got us THJr, etc. Not bad talent, but overpaying with no flexibility is a death sentence for bottom tier teams.
RE: RE: Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14476811 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He's smart and a worker but really limited athletically. He's gonna have some trouble on defense.



He's a better athlete than JJ Reddick, who consistently finds himself starting on 50+ win teams. It's a shooting league and this kid can shoot.


Not sure I agree that he's a better athlete than Reddick. He's also not shown himself to be as good a shooter.
We can all breathe a sigh of relief.  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 2:27 pm : link
From Kevin O'Conner at The Ringer:

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The Rockets recently explored trading Chris Paul into New Yorks cap space, but the Knicks refused, according to league sources.
It's a good sign  
moespree : 6/19/2019 2:39 pm : link
It seems obvious teams are testing whether this is the usual Knicks or not. The usual Knicks would have made that trade and may have made the trade with the Hawks too.
Wall's contract  
Enzo : 6/19/2019 2:55 pm : link
is clearly the worst in the league. I don't know what would be second, but Chris Paul's 3/120 has to be up there.
RE: Wall's contract  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14476941 Enzo said:
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is clearly the worst in the league. I don't know what would be second, but Chris Paul's 3/120 has to be up there.

That's definitely the top tier of awful contracts. Wiggins is the other one I'd put up there with those two.
RE: We can all breathe a sigh of relief.  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14476903 Strahan91 said:
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The Rockets recently explored trading Chris Paul into New Yorks cap space, but the Knicks refused, according to league sources.




I'm so proud of Scott Perry. If Isiah was running this team, Paul would be a Knick and Barrett would be a Rocket.
RE: RE: RE: Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2019 3:41 pm : link
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Not sure I agree that he's a better athlete than Reddick. He's also not shown himself to be as good a shooter.


Redick shot better from three as a freshman while Herro was a better free throw shooter. The major difference is Herro was far better scoring around the basket. I think he can be projected to shoot well from three point range with a more diverse offensive game as opposed to JJ's just catch and shoot.
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And then there's Marc Berman:  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 4:14 pm : link
"According to an NBA source, some members of the Knicks organization think Garland could turn out to be a better NBA player than RJ Barrett but regard the Duke swingman as the safe pick at 3 and remains the likely selection.

I think the workout gave them something to think about, the source said.

Theres potential for the Knicks to trade down to four with New Orleans, where the Pelicans would seek to reunite Barrett with Zion Williamson. It could depend on what the Pelicans are offering."
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
do this if the Pelicans offered a haul including some of the LAL picks.
What I like about Garland is  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 4:20 pm : link
when he shoots the ball, it actually goes through the net.
RE: What I like about Garland is  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14477111 bceagle05 said:
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when he shoots the ball, it actually goes through the net.


He's a great shooter. There really is a lot to like there. I think it's worth a call to the Pelicans.
Are we sure the Pelicans are even interested in moving up for RJ?  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 4:26 pm : link
It was Berman's report and I haven't seen anyone else say the same.
Pelicans  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 4:30 pm : link
If the Pelicans gave the Knicks their top 3 protected first round pick in next year's draft and the Knicks don't feel that strong about Barrett, I would swap.
another team looking to shed salary with their first  
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I'd look into Roberson  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 4:37 pm : link
He only has a year remaining at 11M
Hard pass on Roberson  
ChaChing : 6/19/2019 4:42 pm : link
Great defender, but among the biggest offensive black holes on O. Like playing 4-5
Roberson  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 4:43 pm : link
and the 1st for a non guaranteed Lance Thomas? Fuck yes.
RE: Hard pass on Roberson  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14477141 ChaChing said:
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Great defender, but among the biggest offensive black holes on O. Like playing 4-5

Not advocating for Roberson the basketball player but Roberson's contract + the 21st pick.
it is berman  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 4:48 pm : link
he also said last year how knicks were locked into mikal bridges
RE: RE: Hard pass on Roberson  
ChaChing : 6/19/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14477144 Strahan91 said:
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Great defender, but among the biggest offensive black holes on O. Like playing 4-5


Not advocating for Roberson the basketball player but Roberson's contract + the 21st pick.

Fair enough. I'm not that aware of contract situations. In that sense from those 3, I'd rather Schroeder, but again it would depend on cost for trade & contract

Still I'd bet there's other better "contract + pick" situations than Roberson, even on other teams
Woj speaks.  
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Vanderbilt guard Darius Garland had his workout with the Knicks today, but New York remains locked on selecting Dukes RJ Barrett with the NBA Drafts third overall pick on Thursday, league sources tell ESPN.
Beck said the Knicks "made overtures" to AD for 2020 free agency  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 4:53 pm : link
knowing they didn't have the ammo to get him via trade. I think it's a lock he stays in LA, but it does point towards the Knicks saving some cap space for next summer. Probably pursue KD and some one year deals or expirings via trade.
Mavs the favorites to sign Horford, says Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 4:57 pm : link
Should be a fun few weeks.
Re: Roberson  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2019 4:57 pm : link
I wouldnt be so quick to nix the idea. If they strike out in free agency, getting a draft pick in exchange for taking his contract would be fine. He doesnt have to stay on the roster - just release him.
RE: Mavs the favorites to sign Horford, says Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer.  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 4:58 pm : link
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Should be a fun few weeks.


have to appease kp
AD  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:00 pm : link
If LBJ does not let AD be the man in LA, it is not a slam dunk he stays.

I just like to hear the Knicks seem to be keeping themselives flexible, will be very interesting to see what KD does: I think FA looks like this right now:

KD: GS/NYK/Brooklyn
Kyrie: LAL/Brooklyn
Kawhi: LAC/Toronto
Klay: GS
Horford: Dallas/Brooklyn/LAL
Butler: Philly/LAL
Middleton: Bucks
RE: AD  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14477175 Pete44 said:
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If LBJ does not let AD be the man in LA, it is not a slam dunk he stays.

I just like to hear the Knicks seem to be keeping themselives flexible, will be very interesting to see what KD does: I think FA looks like this right now:

KD: GS/NYK/Brooklyn
Kyrie: LAL/Brooklyn
Kawhi: LAC/Toronto
Klay: GS
Horford: Dallas/Brooklyn/LAL
Butler: Philly/LAL
Middleton: Bucks


I don't think NYK is out of it for Kyrie. He seems pretty set on a NY team, and LAL doesn't have enough for a max right now. There were some rumblings even today that NJ doesn't even want Kyrie if he doesn't come with someone else.
RE: RE: AD  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14477185 Jon in NYC said:
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If LBJ does not let AD be the man in LA, it is not a slam dunk he stays.

I just like to hear the Knicks seem to be keeping themselives flexible, will be very interesting to see what KD does: I think FA looks like this right now:

KD: GS/NYK/Brooklyn
Kyrie: LAL/Brooklyn
Kawhi: LAC/Toronto
Klay: GS
Horford: Dallas/Brooklyn/LAL
Butler: Philly/LAL
Middleton: Bucks



I don't think NYK is out of it for Kyrie. He seems pretty set on a NY team, and LAL doesn't have enough for a max right now. There were some rumblings even today that NJ doesn't even want Kyrie if he doesn't come with someone else.


Jon - you might be right, I have just not heard much around Kyrie and the Knicks. He is a strange guy.
RE: RE: Mavs the favorites to sign Horford, says Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer.  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14477173 nygiants16 said:
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Should be a fun few weeks.



have to appease kp


The Post today brought up the idea of the Nets signing Porzingis to an offer sheet
.  
threeofakind33 : 6/19/2019 5:32 pm : link
Porzingis preferred team is Brooklyn.

Dont see how that would possibly occur though.

Nets are looking like they might be edging closer to running it back this year.
Oh man  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:35 pm : link
I would love for KP to join the Nets. Beat his ass a few times a year.
Cuban  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:37 pm : link
I met Cuban, he told me he would match any offer for Porzingis. They love him and are changing his entire training regimen to keep him healthy.
Knicks Medical Staff  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:38 pm : link
The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.
Yep  
threeofakind33 : 6/19/2019 5:39 pm : link
That sounds right.

Again, I think both Brooklyn and KP have wanted each other for a while. Its unclear how that would happen. Right now, theres no path.
RE: Knicks Medical Staff  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14477210 Pete44 said:
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The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.


What did he reference?
Injuries are rampant in the NBA.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 5:42 pm : link
Guys drop like flies - basketball doesn't have a rep of being a physical game, but it takes its toll. I'm not doubting your info, but I have a hard time pinning anything on the Knicks training staff.
I wonder if the Pelicans would  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:42 pm : link
consider something like DSJ, future Mavs 1st, future Knicks 1st, Trier for no 4.
RE: Knicks Medical Staff  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14477210 Pete44 said:
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The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.

This seems like one of those Knick narratives that's likely got no substance to it.
RE: Knicks Medical Staff  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14477210 Pete44 said:
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The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.


Did Pippen also mention how it was all kps plan and he never planned on playing this year?
RE: I wonder if the Pelicans would  
TommyWiseau : 6/19/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14477215 Jon in NYC said:
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consider something like DSJ, future Mavs 1st, future Knicks 1st, Trier for no 4.


That would be a good haul for the Pelicans and would bring Garland and RJ to NY.
Scottie Pippen is a moron as a talking head  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 7:03 pm : link
What's the connection to Porzingis? It's his brother/trainer/agent who made that situation.
RE: RE: RE: I am not a big fan of RJ Barrett  
djm : 6/19/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14476587 Essex said:
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but I can understand why people think he should be the third pick overall. The upside is there, but I think the most likely scenario for him is that he is a solid starter in the league, not an all star, which is fine. I have seen most RJ's college games and I fear he can be stopped at the next level if his outside game does not dramatically improve. I think Garland is intriguing but I have not seen enough of him to make a solid comparison. However, and maybe this is a pet peeve of mine, but I hate when people say we should draft Barrett third because he was supposed to be the number one pick before last year's draft. Well, you know what, we had a year of watching him play and two players surpassed him; if he stayed one more year, in next year's draft should a team pick him 6th because he would have been the third pick this year? The argument makes no sense at all.


What do you think of Zion's outside shot holding him back? To my eye Zion's outside game is significantly worse than RJ's.


Zion is the biggest risk reward guy I have ever seen. Zion's outside game was putrid (although it did come on a bit after he came back from his knee and he hit some three pointers). Look,if Zion can physically dominate like he did in college in the NBA, he is going to be a superstar. If he can't, he might be a bust. I tend to think he will physically dominate, but anyone who really thinks they know for sure are full of shite.


Couldnt agree more. I lean towards yes, Zion will dominate in the pros but no one knows for sure. My theory is to never turn your back on a player that does whatever the fuck he wants out there. Id always draft that guy and go down swinging. Zion is too special to pass up. Guys like him usually figure everything out as they go. Too good to fail.
so did the nets get played?  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 10:03 pm : link
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Is Vescey a reliable source anymore?  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 10:12 pm : link
NOLA, Im told, is assembling assets in all out effort to leapfrog Knicks into second slot in order to snare RJ Barrett. Obviously, Pels are offering Grizz No 4 pick as part payment. No pity parties planned. NY would land Morant or Garland. Memphis would pluck point that drops...
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I thought Vescey retired 20 years ago.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 10:17 pm : link
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Sam Amico is saying that the Timberwolves are talking to the Pelicans  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 10:41 pm : link
about moving up to 4
I just have this bad feeling  
GMEN46 : 6/19/2019 10:45 pm : link
That Barrett will not end up in the knicks, someone will trade ahead or Memphis will take him. Whenever this alleged guarantees are out there in the public it never seems to workout for the knicks. I understand many people prefer morant anyway, but I am not as high on him as others. I could actually see the knicks taking garland over morant. Hopefully they would trade down to #4 in that scenario.
Memphis just traded their all star PG  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 11:00 pm : link
There's a gaping hole in their lineup. It would not make any sense to trade out when they could just take Morant. Its who they were reported to want in the first place.
Well at least we worked out Morant  
ghost718 : 6/19/2019 11:02 pm : link
Won't have him them out there in the morning in his bunny slippers
I'm excited.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 11:19 pm : link
I'd be thrilled with Morant, Barrett or Garland for different reasons. The future will get a little brighter tomorrow night.
RE: Memphis just traded their all star PG  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14477435 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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There's a gaping hole in their lineup. It would not make any sense to trade out when they could just take Morant. Its who they were reported to want in the first place.

True, but this is a 33 win team that has now traded away its two best players. Theyre in rebuild mode and have gaping holes everywhere. Position shouldnt even be a consideration for them, just getting the best talent should. Even on talent Morant would seem like the pick, but maybe theyre worried about his knee and want a surer thing. Well see.
Apparently Knicks also:  
ChaChing : 6/20/2019 1:52 am : link
1. Planted the seed w/ AD that we'll be in on 2020 big time
2. "Thanks for the call. No to CP3" <click>

Many old Knick regimes would not have done either correctly! However obvious. Still just a small positive for now...but more in the W column for this franchise fwiw
If Memphis is ok with Garland  
Tony in Berlin : 6/20/2019 6:24 am : link
they could trade with NO and let them have Barrett. Still unikely IMO.
how bout the balls on morey...  
Italianju : 6/20/2019 7:55 am : link
to not only inquire about the knicks taking on Paul, but asking for the 3rd pick???? HE would be lucky if the knicks traded him Lance Thomas for Paul.
Did he really  
GMEN46 : 6/20/2019 8:24 am : link
Ask for the third pick?
Pippen..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/20/2019 8:35 am : link
likely doesn't even know what he's referencing himself:

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Knicks Medical Staff
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:38 pm : link : reply
The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.


Their medical "staff" is HSS, which serves most of the NYC area teams.

If he's referring to their training staff, they have one of the more respected groups in the NBA. Roger Hinds has been a trainer in the NBA for 22 years. And he also has experience in S&C:

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Hinds served as strength and conditioning coach for the gold medal-winning U.S. Olympic Team at the 1996 Atlanta Games. From 2001-2004, he served as president of the National Basketball Athletic Trainers Association Foundation. Roger currently serves as liaison between the Trainers Association and the NATA. He was honored to receive the Bill Chisolm Ethnic Diversity Award from the NATA at the 2015 annual meeting.
Gmen46  
Italianju : 6/20/2019 8:41 am : link
i read that somewhere, cant remember where.
RE: how bout the balls on morey...  
Stu11 : 6/20/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14477530 Italianju said:
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to not only inquire about the knicks taking on Paul, but asking for the 3rd pick???? HE would be lucky if the knicks traded him Lance Thomas for Paul.

So happy The Knicks told them to go pound sand
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