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MattyKid : 6/18/2019 1:54 pm
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Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
He's smart and a worker but really limited athletically. He's gonna have some trouble on defense.
RE: RE: Backtracking on kyrie to brooklyn being done has begun  
Vanzetti : 6/19/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14476586 TyreeHelmet said:
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Woj this morning said the idea is to have kyrie and another star if that doesnt happen, he thinks they just keep russell..



If Kyrie still wants to come to the Knicks with Durant- Im all for it. Even if the Knicks get Durant , I just think its going to be difficult to acquire a true star in the next couple years. 2020 free agent class is pretty bad. Whos the next big star available? Now until 2020, the only stars I could see traded are Conley, Holiday and Beal. But things could always change...

The Knicks are in a tough spot. If they get Durant, id try to sign a couple younger guys as well - i.e Brogdon. But is it better to keep the cap space or overpay to get a couple guys?


Better to keep the space. Unless you can get a guy who emerges like Oladipo or like Harden did when he went to Rockets from Thunder.

The nightmare scenario for all Knicks fans should be signing someone like Khris Middleton to a max contract.
They're not handing out a max contract to a nobody.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 1:25 pm : link
However, salaries are exploding, so expect to see the Knicks sign role players to contract that are bigger than you've seen before. 33 year old Horford opted out of 30m a year because he can get more.

This offseason is going to change what an average contract is across the league for non-stars.
Beal would be insane to....  
Italianju : 6/19/2019 1:25 pm : link
turn that down. I mean i know he will get it on the market but who knows what would happen in the next couple years that could change that.
Perry vs Donnie  
Vanzetti : 6/19/2019 1:31 pm : link
When Knicks went after Lebron, they traded away draft picks to clear cap space.

Now they have cleared space by trading POrzingas for Dallas' two picks.

So they are in much better shape because they have options. Donnie basically had no choice but to sign Amare because he had no draft picks to build with.

But now knicks don't have to sign an "Amare" because they have 5 first rounders over the next three years. PLus, the #3 pick this year. I also think the situation in Dallas has the potential to deteriorate and those picks might wind up being better than expected.

But the point is the Knicks have options that they did not have after they "lost out" on Lebron.
RE: Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14476776 Heisenberg said:
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He's smart and a worker but really limited athletically. He's gonna have some trouble on defense.


He's a better athlete than JJ Reddick, who consistently finds himself starting on 50+ win teams. It's a shooting league and this kid can shoot.
It's a 3 player  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
draft. I'm excited for Barrett. Kid really wants to be here.
The real test...  
Jan in DC : 6/19/2019 1:46 pm : link
comes from Free Agency. They have to spend responsibly. If they don't land a big fish, give out short year deals. If people don't want to take them, don't add more years on. Just wait it out. If you overpay a person on a one year deal, it's fine, but overpaying for multiple years with mediocre talent is what got us THJr, etc. Not bad talent, but overpaying with no flexibility is a death sentence for bottom tier teams.
RE: RE: Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
Heisenberg : 6/19/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14476811 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He's smart and a worker but really limited athletically. He's gonna have some trouble on defense.



He's a better athlete than JJ Reddick, who consistently finds himself starting on 50+ win teams. It's a shooting league and this kid can shoot.


Not sure I agree that he's a better athlete than Reddick. He's also not shown himself to be as good a shooter.
We can all breathe a sigh of relief.  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 2:27 pm : link
From Kevin O'Conner at The Ringer:

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The Rockets recently explored trading Chris Paul into New Yorks cap space, but the Knicks refused, according to league sources.
It's a good sign  
moespree : 6/19/2019 2:39 pm : link
It seems obvious teams are testing whether this is the usual Knicks or not. The usual Knicks would have made that trade and may have made the trade with the Hawks too.
Wall's contract  
Enzo : 6/19/2019 2:55 pm : link
is clearly the worst in the league. I don't know what would be second, but Chris Paul's 3/120 has to be up there.
RE: Wall's contract  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14476941 Enzo said:
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is clearly the worst in the league. I don't know what would be second, but Chris Paul's 3/120 has to be up there.

That's definitely the top tier of awful contracts. Wiggins is the other one I'd put up there with those two.
RE: We can all breathe a sigh of relief.  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14476903 Strahan91 said:
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The Rockets recently explored trading Chris Paul into New Yorks cap space, but the Knicks refused, according to league sources.




I'm so proud of Scott Perry. If Isiah was running this team, Paul would be a Knick and Barrett would be a Rocket.
RE: RE: RE: Can Herro guard anyone at the NBA level?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/19/2019 3:41 pm : link
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Not sure I agree that he's a better athlete than Reddick. He's also not shown himself to be as good a shooter.


Redick shot better from three as a freshman while Herro was a better free throw shooter. The major difference is Herro was far better scoring around the basket. I think he can be projected to shoot well from three point range with a more diverse offensive game as opposed to JJ's just catch and shoot.
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Anakim : 6/19/2019 3:57 pm : link
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While Darius Garland could be someone people within the Knicks organization like, the expectation among agents and opposing execs on Wednesday afternoon is that New York will select Duke's RJ Barrett if he's available at No. 3, per
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And then there's Marc Berman:  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 4:14 pm : link
"According to an NBA source, some members of the Knicks organization think Garland could turn out to be a better NBA player than RJ Barrett but regard the Duke swingman as the safe pick at 3 and remains the likely selection.

I think the workout gave them something to think about, the source said.

Theres potential for the Knicks to trade down to four with New Orleans, where the Pelicans would seek to reunite Barrett with Zion Williamson. It could depend on what the Pelicans are offering."
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
do this if the Pelicans offered a haul including some of the LAL picks.
What I like about Garland is  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 4:20 pm : link
when he shoots the ball, it actually goes through the net.
RE: What I like about Garland is  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14477111 bceagle05 said:
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when he shoots the ball, it actually goes through the net.


He's a great shooter. There really is a lot to like there. I think it's worth a call to the Pelicans.
Are we sure the Pelicans are even interested in moving up for RJ?  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 4:26 pm : link
It was Berman's report and I haven't seen anyone else say the same.
Pelicans  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 4:30 pm : link
If the Pelicans gave the Knicks their top 3 protected first round pick in next year's draft and the Knicks don't feel that strong about Barrett, I would swap.
another team looking to shed salary with their first  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 4:31 pm : link
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Oklahoma City has increased its efforts this afternoon to shed salary along with the No. 21 pick en route to dodging luxury tax, league sources say. Steven Adams, Andre Roberson, Dennis Schroeder all very available at the moment.
I'd look into Roberson  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 4:37 pm : link
He only has a year remaining at 11M
Hard pass on Roberson  
ChaChing : 6/19/2019 4:42 pm : link
Great defender, but among the biggest offensive black holes on O. Like playing 4-5
Roberson  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 4:43 pm : link
and the 1st for a non guaranteed Lance Thomas? Fuck yes.
RE: Hard pass on Roberson  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14477141 ChaChing said:
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Great defender, but among the biggest offensive black holes on O. Like playing 4-5

Not advocating for Roberson the basketball player but Roberson's contract + the 21st pick.
it is berman  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 4:48 pm : link
he also said last year how knicks were locked into mikal bridges
RE: RE: Hard pass on Roberson  
ChaChing : 6/19/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14477144 Strahan91 said:
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Great defender, but among the biggest offensive black holes on O. Like playing 4-5


Not advocating for Roberson the basketball player but Roberson's contract + the 21st pick.

Fair enough. I'm not that aware of contract situations. In that sense from those 3, I'd rather Schroeder, but again it would depend on cost for trade & contract

Still I'd bet there's other better "contract + pick" situations than Roberson, even on other teams
Woj speaks.  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 4:51 pm : link
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Vanderbilt guard Darius Garland had his workout with the Knicks today, but New York remains locked on selecting Dukes RJ Barrett with the NBA Drafts third overall pick on Thursday, league sources tell ESPN.
Beck said the Knicks "made overtures" to AD for 2020 free agency  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 4:53 pm : link
knowing they didn't have the ammo to get him via trade. I think it's a lock he stays in LA, but it does point towards the Knicks saving some cap space for next summer. Probably pursue KD and some one year deals or expirings via trade.
Mavs the favorites to sign Horford, says Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 4:57 pm : link
Should be a fun few weeks.
Re: Roberson  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/19/2019 4:57 pm : link
I wouldnt be so quick to nix the idea. If they strike out in free agency, getting a draft pick in exchange for taking his contract would be fine. He doesnt have to stay on the roster - just release him.
RE: Mavs the favorites to sign Horford, says Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer.  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14477170 bceagle05 said:
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Should be a fun few weeks.


have to appease kp
AD  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:00 pm : link
If LBJ does not let AD be the man in LA, it is not a slam dunk he stays.

I just like to hear the Knicks seem to be keeping themselives flexible, will be very interesting to see what KD does: I think FA looks like this right now:

KD: GS/NYK/Brooklyn
Kyrie: LAL/Brooklyn
Kawhi: LAC/Toronto
Klay: GS
Horford: Dallas/Brooklyn/LAL
Butler: Philly/LAL
Middleton: Bucks
RE: AD  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14477175 Pete44 said:
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If LBJ does not let AD be the man in LA, it is not a slam dunk he stays.

I just like to hear the Knicks seem to be keeping themselives flexible, will be very interesting to see what KD does: I think FA looks like this right now:

KD: GS/NYK/Brooklyn
Kyrie: LAL/Brooklyn
Kawhi: LAC/Toronto
Klay: GS
Horford: Dallas/Brooklyn/LAL
Butler: Philly/LAL
Middleton: Bucks


I don't think NYK is out of it for Kyrie. He seems pretty set on a NY team, and LAL doesn't have enough for a max right now. There were some rumblings even today that NJ doesn't even want Kyrie if he doesn't come with someone else.
RE: RE: AD  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14477185 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14477175 Pete44 said:


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If LBJ does not let AD be the man in LA, it is not a slam dunk he stays.

I just like to hear the Knicks seem to be keeping themselives flexible, will be very interesting to see what KD does: I think FA looks like this right now:

KD: GS/NYK/Brooklyn
Kyrie: LAL/Brooklyn
Kawhi: LAC/Toronto
Klay: GS
Horford: Dallas/Brooklyn/LAL
Butler: Philly/LAL
Middleton: Bucks



I don't think NYK is out of it for Kyrie. He seems pretty set on a NY team, and LAL doesn't have enough for a max right now. There were some rumblings even today that NJ doesn't even want Kyrie if he doesn't come with someone else.


Jon - you might be right, I have just not heard much around Kyrie and the Knicks. He is a strange guy.
RE: RE: Mavs the favorites to sign Horford, says Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer.  
Anakim : 6/19/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14477173 nygiants16 said:
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Should be a fun few weeks.



have to appease kp


The Post today brought up the idea of the Nets signing Porzingis to an offer sheet
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threeofakind33 : 6/19/2019 5:32 pm : link
Porzingis preferred team is Brooklyn.

Dont see how that would possibly occur though.

Nets are looking like they might be edging closer to running it back this year.
Oh man  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:35 pm : link
I would love for KP to join the Nets. Beat his ass a few times a year.
Cuban  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:37 pm : link
I met Cuban, he told me he would match any offer for Porzingis. They love him and are changing his entire training regimen to keep him healthy.
Knicks Medical Staff  
Pete44 : 6/19/2019 5:38 pm : link
The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.
Yep  
threeofakind33 : 6/19/2019 5:39 pm : link
That sounds right.

Again, I think both Brooklyn and KP have wanted each other for a while. Its unclear how that would happen. Right now, theres no path.
RE: Knicks Medical Staff  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14477210 Pete44 said:
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The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.


What did he reference?
Injuries are rampant in the NBA.  
bceagle05 : 6/19/2019 5:42 pm : link
Guys drop like flies - basketball doesn't have a rep of being a physical game, but it takes its toll. I'm not doubting your info, but I have a hard time pinning anything on the Knicks training staff.
I wonder if the Pelicans would  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 5:42 pm : link
consider something like DSJ, future Mavs 1st, future Knicks 1st, Trier for no 4.
RE: Knicks Medical Staff  
Strahan91 : 6/19/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14477210 Pete44 said:
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The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.

This seems like one of those Knick narratives that's likely got no substance to it.
RE: Knicks Medical Staff  
nygiants16 : 6/19/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14477210 Pete44 said:
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The Knicks medical staff is not helping them right now. Scottie Pippen killed them on ESPN the other day and all the Porzingis stuff did not help either.


Did Pippen also mention how it was all kps plan and he never planned on playing this year?
RE: I wonder if the Pelicans would  
TommyWiseau : 6/19/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14477215 Jon in NYC said:
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consider something like DSJ, future Mavs 1st, future Knicks 1st, Trier for no 4.


That would be a good haul for the Pelicans and would bring Garland and RJ to NY.
Scottie Pippen is a moron as a talking head  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/19/2019 7:03 pm : link
What's the connection to Porzingis? It's his brother/trainer/agent who made that situation.
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