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NFT: Rays at Yankees GDT 6/18 Welcome back Giancarlo

Jints in Carolina : 6/18/2019 3:32 pm


TB
Travis d'Arnaud (R) 1B
Tommy Pham (R) DH
Brandon Lowe (L) 2B
Avisail Garcia (R) RF
Willy Adames (R) SS
Kevin Kiermaier (L) CF
Guillermo Heredia (R) LF
Mike Zunino (R) C
Joey Wendle (L) 3B

Stanek (opener) vs. Happ
They brought reinforcements for Happ  
adamg : 6/18/2019 3:38 pm : link
I like it!
Judge back this week.  
BigBlue2112 : 6/18/2019 4:36 pm : link
Maybin the odd man out? Has to be right?
If I were Boone,  
Mike from SI : 6/18/2019 4:38 pm : link
when Judge returns, my lineup would be:

DJLM
Judge
Giancarlo
Gary
Encarnacion
Voit
Hicks
Didi
Gleyber

This is of course the all-hit, less defense lineup. But with those 9 guys, hard to go wrong making a lineup.
Mike...  
Tesla : 6/18/2019 4:55 pm : link
I'd make one small change....swap Hicks and DJ. Hicks is slumping now but historically has the higher OBP....and DJ would get lots of opportunities to hit with men in RISP in the slot behind Voit.

When you look at this lineup you can see why the Yanks didn't really need either Harper or Machado. And just think about trying to squeeze Andujar in there if he was healthy!
hate to be a bearer of bad news  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 5:00 pm : link
Montgomery's bullpen session today was shut down midway due to discomfort.
GIANCARLOOOOOO is back!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 5:05 pm : link
Finally!
RE: Mike...  
Mike from SI : 6/18/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14475906 Tesla said:
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I'd make one small change....swap Hicks and DJ. Hicks is slumping now but historically has the higher OBP....and DJ would get lots of opportunities to hit with men in RISP in the slot behind Voit.

When you look at this lineup you can see why the Yanks didn't really need either Harper or Machado. And just think about trying to squeeze Andujar in there if he was healthy!


Yeah I actually thought about that. The better OBP hits higher and then the guy with the better average gets to hit with more runners on. Makes sense.
Update on Betance from Adler on Twitter:  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 5:43 pm : link
"Dellin Betances says he is still feeling symptoms in his lat, which he describes as a "low-grade" strain that's less severe than the one Luis Severino is working back from. Not playing catch or throwing yet."
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Not even playing catch or throwing yet. Jesus Christ. Any century now, bro.
*Betances  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 5:43 pm : link
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RE: hate to be a bearer of bad news  
nygmen84 : 6/18/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14475909 bigbluehoya said:
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Montgomery's bullpen session today was shut down midway due to discomfort.


Ugh.

Really hope they make a move for a pitcher like Bumgarner/Scherzer or even Bauer/Stroman at the very least.
If you actually expected Montgomery to help this year...  
LarmerTJR : 6/18/2019 5:45 pm : link
I have a bridge on Brooklyn for sale...
DJLM is a hitting machine  
section125 : 6/18/2019 5:48 pm : link
especially with RISP, so you'd bat him 8th? Not now, I would have Hicks 7th or 8th until he starts to hit. He is pressing.
Saw on Twitter  
Big Rick in FL : 6/18/2019 5:50 pm : link
A rumor about the Yanks trading Frazier/Andujar for Bauer. Don't know shit about baseball, but figured I'd pass it along.
is there any chance they get this game in tonight?  
nygmen84 : 6/18/2019 5:52 pm : link
It's been pouring all day and i'd have to imagine the field isn't in great shape.
RE: RE: hate to be a bearer of bad news  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14475943 nygmen84 said:
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In comment 14475909 bigbluehoya said:


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Montgomery's bullpen session today was shut down midway due to discomfort.



Ugh.

Really hope they make a move for a pitcher like Bumgarner/Scherzer or even Bauer/Stroman at the very least.


Bauer at the very least? Hes one of the top 10-15 pitchers in the game today. It would be a tremendous add.

Ive always liked Stromans makeup and profile, but I am leery of buying right now. Most metrics indicate that the results have been better than the stuff this season (i.e. luck has been in his favor). Not that I wouldnt want him, but the price/timing factor...

Assuming Scherzer isnt a realistic possibility, my personal preference in order would be:

Bauer
Boyd
Wheeler
Stroman
MadBum
RE: Saw on Twitter  
section125 : 6/18/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14475950 Big Rick in FL said:
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A rumor about the Yanks trading Frazier/Andujar for Bauer. Don't know shit about baseball, but figured I'd pass it along.


It would probably take more to get Bauer.
RE: RE: RE: hate to be a bearer of bad news  
nygmen84 : 6/18/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14475952 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 14475909 bigbluehoya said:


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Montgomery's bullpen session today was shut down midway due to discomfort.



Ugh.

Really hope they make a move for a pitcher like Bumgarner/Scherzer or even Bauer/Stroman at the very least.



Bauer at the very least? Hes one of the top 10-15 pitchers in the game today. It would be a tremendous add.

Ive always liked Stromans makeup and profile, but I am leery of buying right now. Most metrics indicate that the results have been better than the stuff this season (i.e. luck has been in his favor). Not that I wouldnt want him, but the price/timing factor...

Assuming Scherzer isnt a realistic possibility, my personal preference in order would be:

Bauer
Boyd
Wheeler
Stroman
MadBum


I meant Bauer "at the very least" since I don't think its a real possibility because the Indians are still in the WC race and he has one more year of arbitration before FA, so the asking price will be astronomical...

He is obviously a top talent, there is no doubting that. It was probably a poor choice of words on my part.
Economically thats a steal for the Tribe  
xman : 6/18/2019 6:01 pm : link
plus two high ceiling bats. I'd rather hold off on that trade
RE: Economically thats a steal for the Tribe  
section125 : 6/18/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14475958 xman said:
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plus two high ceiling bats. I'd rather hold off on that trade


What do you think it will take to get a talent like Bauer? It will take a lot.
I think you're overstating a bit  
adamg : 6/18/2019 6:07 pm : link
Bauer is certainly a tops front of the rotation guy, but top 10? In all of baseball? In the American league maybe...

He was elite last year, and seems well above average this year. And he's a clutch bastard. But his best finish in Cy Young was 6. He's not even the best pitcher on his own team. Unless, we're writing off Kluber because of 7 games...

And Bauer is such a fucking asshole. Ugh. I'd simultaneously love and hate if we got him.
RE: RE: Saw on Twitter  
adamg : 6/18/2019 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14475954 section125 said:
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A rumor about the Yanks trading Frazier/Andujar for Bauer. Don't know shit about baseball, but figured I'd pass it along.



It would probably take more to get Bauer.


Section, I'm curious what you think a package would look like that could land Bauer...

And then compare that with what we'd need to land Stroman...
Pitchers I think are better than Bauer  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 6:18 pm : link
Scherzer
DeGrom
Cole
Verlander
Kershaw
Sale
Snell
Greinke

Ive got him basically even with Kluber (maybe edge to a healthy Kluber but age/recency still keeps it close for me), Snell, Berrios, Buehler, Severino (healthy).

Reasonable minds can disagree but Im very comfortable standing by top 10-15
I'd have to think that Frazier plus Andujar plus a non-blue/red chip  
Mike from SI : 6/18/2019 6:20 pm : link
prospect gets you Bauer. Maybe I have Yankees-colored glasses on here, but Andujar proved he's an above-average major-league hitter across an entire season and Frazier sure looks like an average (at worst) major league hitter. But maybe I'm biased.
That's fair  
adamg : 6/18/2019 6:24 pm : link
I guess I'm just a little nervous calling a guy top 10-15 who only has one elite year and a bunch of average/above average years. I trust your judgment more than mine though.
RE: I'd have to think that Frazier plus Andujar plus a non-blue/red chip  
adamg : 6/18/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14475977 Mike from SI said:
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prospect gets you Bauer. Maybe I have Yankees-colored glasses on here, but Andujar proved he's an above-average major-league hitter across an entire season and Frazier sure looks like an average (at worst) major league hitter. But maybe I'm biased.


I tend to agree. I was thinking Frazier/Andujar/prospects (maybe Lasagna as another 'name') should be plenty (two potential all stars and some lotto tickets for a SP) to land nearly any starter. But I was curious about section's thoughts since he seems to think it'll take a bit more for Bauer.
Bauer is very talented  
BigBlueShock : 6/18/2019 6:29 pm : link
Hes also an epic douchebag that would have a very difficult time in NY. He and the media would be at war on a daily basis
RE: I'd have to think that Frazier plus Andujar plus a non-blue/red chip  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14475977 Mike from SI said:
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prospect gets you Bauer. Maybe I have Yankees-colored glasses on here, but Andujar proved he's an above-average major-league hitter across an entire season and Frazier sure looks like an average (at worst) major league hitter. But maybe I'm biased.


I think thatd get it done pretty quickly. Bauer is a UFA whos let it be known hes not signing contracts for term and intends to go year to year. Cleveland is so budget constrained that I could actually see them declining to offer Bauer a QO out of fear that he actually signs it (mostly joking). Surely there would be some other bidders, but...

Astros - could and might outbid a Frazier/Andujar package.

Rays - maybe.

Minny - really nice farm, but running near the top of their budget already, and does Cleveland prefer not to help out a division rival?

Boston - cant compete w that package without making their pro roster worse.

Dodgers - maybe, but seem likely to focus on bullpen

Atlanta - prospects galore, but very budget-minded. Feels unlikely they give up big prospects for a rental.
Bauer is very talented  
BigBlueShock : 6/18/2019 6:30 pm : link
Hes also an epic douchebag that would have a very difficult time in NY. He and the media would be at war on a daily basis
RE: Bauer is very talented  
BigBlueShock : 6/18/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14475985 BigBlueShock said:
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Hes also an epic douchebag that would have a very difficult time in NY. He and the media would be at war on a daily basis

Sorry for the double post. Not sure how that happened
Good stuff hoya  
adamg : 6/18/2019 6:34 pm : link
thanks
Per Ray's radio Twitter  
Jints in Carolina : 6/18/2019 6:51 pm : link
The game will not start on time.
RE: Per Ray's radio Twitter  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14476003 Jints in Carolina said:
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The game will not start on time.


It couldn't - just got home, it's pouring out there and has been all day. Maybe by 9 pm or so.
I have never ever remembered  
mattnyg05 : 6/18/2019 6:55 pm : link
having a feeling like every game is just not going to be played. It feels like theres a better chance of a rainout every day than actually playing.
RE: I have never ever remembered  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14476008 mattnyg05 said:
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having a feeling like every game is just not going to be played. It feels like theres a better chance of a rainout every day than actually playing.


this weather is and has been ridiculous...
RE: RE: RE: Saw on Twitter  
section125 : 6/18/2019 7:08 pm : link
In comment 14475973 adamg said:
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A rumor about the Yanks trading Frazier/Andujar for Bauer. Don't know shit about baseball, but figured I'd pass it along.



It would probably take more to get Bauer.



Section, I'm curious what you think a package would look like that could land Bauer...

And then compare that with what we'd need to land Stroman...


Indians are not out of the race, so Bauer is going nowhere anytime soon.
If he was available I think you need at least a lower level pitcher added. Neither Andujar nor Frazier are MLB fielders at this point. I think Frazier certainly can be and Andujar may need to go to 1B or corner OF.

I also don't think Bauer fits in NYC if you see the shitstorm Frazier raised by not talking to the media, what would happen to his shtick. I like Bauer's stuff, but he doubtfully fits that locker room.
(IMHO)!
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2019 7:08 pm : link
Judge says he's "100%" - will play two 9 inning games @ SWB and then he's back.

I don't think he'll actually be 100% at any point until next year, and it's player speak, but still... even Judge being a little less than 100% is a big addition.

Can't wait.
RE: DJLM is a hitting machine  
Tesla : 6/18/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14475948 section125 said:
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especially with RISP, so you'd bat him 8th? Not now, I would have Hicks 7th or 8th until he starts to hit. He is pressing.


If DJLM is a RISP machine, then why would you bat him leadoff where he's guaranteed to come up with the bases empty on his first AB every night? And after that, hitting being the 8-9 hitters, who will likely have the lowest OBP's of the team? Wouldn't it make more sense to hit him after a bunch of guys with high OBP's?
For every David Cone or Jimmy Key trade  
xman : 6/18/2019 7:19 pm : link
there seem to be a lot more Ed Whitson or Sonny Gray bombs. I'd hate to trade Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas. I like our hitters named Andujar and Frazier more then a Bauer who will have us by the throat in another year. Not enough history with him
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2019 7:21 pm : link
I think getting on base is also important for the leadoff guy - and DJ is as good as anyone on the team at doing that this year. I believe Voit is the only one with an OBP higher than DJ - Urshela is somewhere close. He might be a hair above.

I think once Hicks really looks like Hicks again, he'll move back into the leadoff spot and then DJ will move down into a better RBI spot where he'll get more PAs with RISP.
RE: .  
Mike from SI : 6/18/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14476031 arcarsenal said:
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I think getting on base is also important for the leadoff guy - and DJ is as good as anyone on the team at doing that this year. I believe Voit is the only one with an OBP higher than DJ - Urshela is somewhere close. He might be a hair above.

I think once Hicks really looks like Hicks again, he'll move back into the leadoff spot and then DJ will move down into a better RBI spot where he'll get more PAs with RISP.


Yeah, I probably should have caveated it, but I think DJLM should stick as leadoff for now, but once Hicks get right, they should switch. That said, last two seasons (2017 and 2018), DJLM's OBP has been on par or better than Hicks. But I'd like the guy with the higher BA hitting with runners on.
RE: For every David Cone or Jimmy Key trade  
Matt in SGS : 6/18/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14476029 xman said:
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there seem to be a lot more Ed Whitson or Sonny Gray bombs. I'd hate to trade Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas. I like our hitters named Andujar and Frazier more then a Bauer who will have us by the throat in another year. Not enough history with him


I like Bauer as a pitcher and talent wise, he can help any team, particularly the Yankees. That said, he should go nowhere near the Bronx. And this isn't "true Yankee" stuff. Bauer is an asshole. He has twitter muscles and he gets involved in all kinds of shit and fighting fans. It's one thing to do that in Cleveland. It's another to do that in NY, and particularly with the Yankees. One bad start and he would melt down. There are personalities who shrink on the stage in NY because they can't handle the pressure (and the names you listed above are great examples). But Bauer is a guy who would come in with a "come at me bro" stance and those types do not last long in NY. I'm not even going to get into the political leanings, which are a factor. But his issues are less political, and more that he's a hot headed prick. Let him fly his drone somewhere else. Go after Max Scherzer and win the whole damn thing.
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First pitch for tonight's game is scheduled for approximately 8:20 p.m.
I know it's a  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/18/2019 7:44 pm : link
pipe dream, but a bad break, no pun intended, for Max:

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Max Scherzers nose is feared to be broken, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. Scherzer, who was hit in the face with a ball while bunting during BP, is getting further tests now to see if that will be confirmed.


Didn't think they'd deal him this season as they've been a little hot recently.
RE: .  
section125 : 6/18/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14476018 arcarsenal said:
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Judge says he's "100%" - will play two 9 inning games @ SWB and then he's back.

I don't think he'll actually be 100% at any point until next year, and it's player speak, but still... even Judge being a little less than 100% is a big addition.

Can't wait.


Yeah, Beltran said that he was sore all year. Different people heal differently. I doubt the Yankees have gotten him back before he is ready. They are holding their own without him, so why not give him more time if he could use it.
I wouldn't mind Hicks leading off and then DJ second  
adamg : 6/18/2019 7:57 pm : link
That way you get your OBP guy on base first, and then a high average guy who can drive him in or move him over up next. And then the avalanche of power. But it probably makes sense to split up the OBP guys between the power guys.

If I had to bet what it'll look like:

DJ
Judge
Hicks
Sanchez
Voit
Stanton
Encarnacion
Didi
Torres
"Not Mike" Stanton is back!  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 8:01 pm : link
Let's begin the quest to take over the HR lead from the Twinkies tonight. I'm calling 3 bombs. Stanton hits one.
I don't know which is harder to believe  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 8:25 pm : link
That Travis D'Arnaud is actually hitting leadoff, or that Happ gave up a single to that clown on the first pitch of the game.
Not first pitch...gameday screwed me!  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 8:29 pm : link
Hehe
RE: I wouldn't mind Hicks leading off and then DJ second  
Eman11 : 6/18/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14476069 adamg said:
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That way you get your OBP guy on base first, and then a high average guy who can drive him in or move him over up next. And then the avalanche of power. But it probably makes sense to split up the OBP guys between the power guys.

If I had to bet what it'll look like:

DJ
Judge
Hicks
Sanchez
Voit
Stanton
Encarnacion
Didi
Torres


I think you'd lose your bet because I don't think there's any way Boone bats a 30 million a year MVP in the 6 hole. I can see him batting 5th for now but before long he'll be 3rd or 4th in the order. Probably 4th.
RE: I don't know which is harder to believe  
section125 : 6/18/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14476103 Greg from LI said:
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That Travis D'Arnaud is actually hitting leadoff, or that Happ gave up a single to that clown on the first pitch of the game.


Ancient Chineses sayin' - shit happens.
Damned Wet  
Percy : 6/18/2019 8:32 pm : link
Worrisome element.
Ryne Stanek  
bceagle05 : 6/18/2019 8:34 pm : link
with his 900th career start against the Yankees.
Nice AB  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 8:37 pm : link
Voit
Gotta like how this inning is starting  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 8:38 pm : link
Big guns coming up with men on
RE: Ryne Stanek  
arcarsenal : 6/18/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14476114 bceagle05 said:
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with his 900th career start against the Yankees.


THE OPENER, breh.

(I'm so fucking tired of looking at him)
1-0 on Gary sac fly  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 8:40 pm : link
Here comes Giancarlo
Bah...Gary didn't miss that by much.  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 8:41 pm : link
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RE: Bah...Gary didn't miss that by much.  
section125 : 6/18/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14476122 Greg from LI said:
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I didn't think he miss it at all. Just didn't elevate it. Bet it was over 100mph. I thought it was gone off the bat.
Happ  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 8:49 pm : link
Even the outs are hard-hit. Hope he settles down.
I don't think he's going to make it through 5 tonight,  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 8:51 pm : link
unfortunately.
He's not getting any  
section125 : 6/18/2019 8:51 pm : link
high strike calls. Kind of bullshit.
Kiermaier  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 8:52 pm : link
Something of an annoying candy-ass
Mike Zunino  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 8:52 pm : link
Mike fucking Zunino. Come ON
Stanton!  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 8:53 pm : link
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Tremendous catch by Stannie  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 8:54 pm : link
Never ceases to anaze me how dumb these fans are: just get out of the way.
Think Frazier makes  
section125 : 6/18/2019 8:54 pm : link
that catch? That was great concentration with the moron fan jumping in front of him.
RE: Think Frazier makes  
Percy : 6/18/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14476140 section125 said:
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that catch? That was great concentration with the moron fan jumping in front of him.

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C'mon double E, park one  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 8:55 pm : link
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The Twins still haven't scored a run against Boston  
Jints in Carolina : 6/18/2019 8:58 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/18/2019 9:03 pm : link
Damn. Gley gave that a good ride. Not an easy play to make out there.
the shift not working out for the Yanks  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 9:11 pm : link
so far tonight.
Rays putting the ball away  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:12 pm : link
from the shift and getting hits. At least 3 should have been outs...
The Rays are easily the most annoying franchise in baseball  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 9:15 pm : link
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This guy's strike zone is  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:20 pm : link
all over the place. Strike one to LeMahieu was 4 inches inside. Won't give Happ high strikes or inside pitches. Weird.
Got the makings of  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:22 pm : link
one of those nights.
Ryan Yarborough sucks  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 9:23 pm : link
This is aggravating
Happ  
Percy : 6/18/2019 9:31 pm : link
Don't you think giving up six hits in three innings is a bit much?
Stanton should punch that ump in the face  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 9:34 pm : link
Awful, awful calls
Stanton struck out  
beatrixkiddo : 6/18/2019 9:34 pm : link
On consecutive balls. This ump blows.
Would be ok with it if Happ  
beatrixkiddo : 6/18/2019 9:36 pm : link
Got the same zone but this Ump is just guessing out there.
Encarnacion is crushing the ball but not getting any luck  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 9:37 pm : link
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RE: Stanton struck out  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14476181 beatrixkiddo said:
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On consecutive balls. This ump blows.


Strike three was a strike - was well over the plate. Strike two was a ball. - overhead camera tells all.
I hate the Rays and I hate openers  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
feels like -

I thought getting rid of Sonny  
BCD : 6/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
and replacing him with Happ and Paxson was great ....hell it's now double trouble....those two are snake bitten, hopefully they will heat up as the dogs get back and get them some runs to work with.
Sanchez ask for ball  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:42 pm : link
above the zone and Happ throws it down the middle.
there has to be a world  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 9:42 pm : link
where we can trade Happ and several prospects for a reliable 3rd starter. I can't stand watching this guy.
awful play by Torres to try to tag Pham  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 9:43 pm : link
it was likely a DP if he just flips to Didi.
Geez Torres, cost  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:44 pm : link
your team a DP...
RE: there has to be a world  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14476194 RasputinPrime said:
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where we can trade Happ and several prospects for a reliable 3rd starter. I can't stand watching this guy.


Then go away
RE: Geez Torres, cost  
Percy : 6/18/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14476198 section125 said:
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your team a DP...

He did.
RE: there has to be a world  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14476194 RasputinPrime said:
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where we can trade Happ and several prospects for a reliable 3rd starter. I can't stand watching this guy.


For all the bitching, he's given up 2 runs. If this was CC we'd all be saying what a great start it was. And some of the hits were seeing eye, away from the shift...even the one hard hit double was an out with normal positioning of the CF.
Not many hard hit balls  
section125 : 6/18/2019 9:56 pm : link
on either side tonight.
Cam Maybin  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 9:57 pm : link
How do you possibly shitcan this guy when Judge comes back? Guy is great.
Maybin  
Percy : 6/18/2019 9:58 pm : link
Gotta keep him. He likes playing for the Yankees and at the Stadium.
Weak ass shit finally  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:01 pm : link
being hit..
RE: Maybin  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14476213 Percy said:
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Gotta keep him. He likes playing for the Yankees and at the Stadium.


So does Clint. Maybin is just seasoned enough to know how to show it.
Why not get rid of  
beatrixkiddo : 6/18/2019 10:05 pm : link
Cessna instead of Maybin. Such a shame, guy has earned a role here.
Hicks is swinging  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:06 pm : link
way to hard at everything.
RE: Hicks is swinging  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14476222 section125 said:
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way to hard at everything.


...just sayin.

Sanchez with another little poke through the shift. Love that MFing shit.

4-2
Good hitting by  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:09 pm : link
Gary. Take the single and RBI...
Yeah Hicks looks  
beatrixkiddo : 6/18/2019 10:10 pm : link
Like he is swinging way to hard. Trying to crush everything. He needs to loosen up a bit at the plate.
that was some fugly swinging by Stanton  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 10:11 pm : link
Next AB he takes one to Canada.
Start the BP  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:12 pm : link
parade! Wish they could trust Happ for one more inning.
RE: that was some fugly swinging by Stanton  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14476228 RasputinPrime said:
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Next AB he takes one to Canada.


Just keeping throwing sliders more and more off the plate...
What the hell is with  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:14 pm : link
this umpire and high strikes...he screwed Happ all night with that call.
if you can't review balls and strikes  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 10:15 pm : link
you shouldn't be able to challenge tags on the bases. It killed base-stealing and if ump-error is part of the game, why force us to swallow it where they make the most mistakes?
Kiermeyer called out  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:18 pm : link
on a pitch closer to the batter's box than the plate. Guy is awful.
Jeez..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/18/2019 10:20 pm : link
I just got to the hotel and checked BBI before checking on the game and from the thread, it makes it seem like Happ shit the bed and left the game down several runs.

But it is actually 4-2 and the Yanks are winning!

RE: Jeez..  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14476239 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I just got to the hotel and checked BBI before checking on the game and from the thread, it makes it seem like Happ shit the bed and left the game down several runs.

But it is actually 4-2 and the Yanks are winning!


I'm partly responsible. I didn't think Happ would last 5 the way it was going early on, but he hung in there. Still took him like 87 pitches to get through 5 though.
Deivi Garcia struck out 15 in 6 innings, and gave up 1 hit and 1 walk.  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 10:23 pm : link
Trade him for Boyd.

Just kidding.
RE: Jeez..  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14476239 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I just got to the hotel and checked BBI before checking on the game and from the thread, it makes it seem like Happ shit the bed and left the game down several runs.

But it is actually 4-2 and the Yanks are winning!


Gave up 7 hits - 6 thru 3. Some real cheappies and 5 of those on 2 strike counts. He wasn't particularly sharp, but good enough.
Like I said if it was CC, we'd all be happy.
RE: RE: Jeez..  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14476246 section125 said:
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In comment 14476239 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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I just got to the hotel and checked BBI before checking on the game and from the thread, it makes it seem like Happ shit the bed and left the game down several runs.

But it is actually 4-2 and the Yanks are winning!




Gave up 7 hits - 6 thru 3. Some real cheappies and 5 of those on 2 strike counts. He wasn't particularly sharp, but good enough.
Like I said if it was CC, we'd all be happy.


CC isn't signed for two years at 17mm. This guy is the pits.
RE: RE: RE: Jeez..  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14476248 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 14476246 section125 said:


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In comment 14476239 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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I just got to the hotel and checked BBI before checking on the game and from the thread, it makes it seem like Happ shit the bed and left the game down several runs.

But it is actually 4-2 and the Yanks are winning!




Gave up 7 hits - 6 thru 3. Some real cheappies and 5 of those on 2 strike counts. He wasn't particularly sharp, but good enough.
Like I said if it was CC, we'd all be happy.



CC isn't signed for two years at 17mm. This guy is the pits.


Kindly stop. You are getting to be tortuous...
RE: RE: Jeez..  
Percy : 6/18/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14476246 section125 said:
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In comment 14476239 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


I just got to the hotel and checked BBI before checking on the game and from the thread, it makes it seem like Happ shit the bed and left the game down several runs.

But it is actually 4-2 and the Yanks are winning!




Gave up 7 hits - 6 thru 3. Some real cheappies and 5 of those on 2 strike counts. He wasn't particularly sharp, but good enough.
Like I said if it was CC, we'd all be happy.


First time, let this go by. This time: no, we wouldn't all be happy if CC'd been pitching as badly as Happ was.
Fucking heeby- jeeby  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:36 pm : link
Kahnle. He needs to stop the Red Bull.
Didi  
Percy : 6/18/2019 10:37 pm : link
What was that soft blooper throw to the plate?
RE: RE: RE: Jeez..  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14476259 Percy said:
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First time, let this go by. This time: no, we wouldn't all be happy if CC'd been pitching as badly as Happ was.


Bullshit. If CC put that up this game we'd all be happy. It is about as good as you are getting from CC.
Am I wrong in my perception of Happ  
adamg : 6/18/2019 10:46 pm : link
as a second half pitcher? Doesn't he pick up speed as the season goes along? He did last year at least...
CAM MAYBIN  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 10:48 pm : link
You can NOT shitcan this guy
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeez..  
Percy : 6/18/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14476274 section125 said:
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In comment 14476259 Percy said:


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First time, let this go by. This time: no, we wouldn't all be happy if CC'd been pitching as badly as Happ was.



Bullshit. If CC put that up this game we'd all be happy. It is about as good as you are getting from CC.


You can curse all you want, but CC still throws with authority and where hitters don't get to it. Happ doesn't. Seven hits in four? No, no one would be happy -- except with the score. Not with the pitcher.
Wow, Maybin doing things  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2019 10:49 pm : link
meaningful spot, to boot.
Good By Gardy...  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:49 pm : link
Maybin is stayin'!

As he saves the HR streak again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeez..  
adamg : 6/18/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14476274 section125 said:
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In comment 14476259 Percy said:


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First time, let this go by. This time: no, we wouldn't all be happy if CC'd been pitching as badly as Happ was.



Bullshit. If CC put that up this game we'd all be happy. It is about as good as you are getting from CC.


He moved the goal posts from this game to the whole season. Obviously, if CC was pitching to a 4.5 ERA and only going 5 innings that'd be a problem. Of course, CC's value is that despite going only 5, his ERA is under 4. Happ is a different kind of pitcher. He offers more length. So, it's an apples and oranges comparison in some ways.
MAYBIN!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 10:50 pm : link
This guy is the man. No way they can cut this guy.
I'd DFA  
MookGiants : 6/18/2019 10:50 pm : link
Gardner before I'd let Maybin go.

Yankees wont because of what Gardner is being paid but Maybin is a better player currently
Same team, men  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 10:51 pm : link
Yankees crush a dramatic homer, and you guys are still arguing who's worse between this Flash Tarzan & Gordon person.

Meanwhile, Minnesota pushes one across in the 8th...

Win! Twins!
My bad Percy  
adamg : 6/18/2019 10:51 pm : link
I misread your post (missed the 'd=had). Still though, CC is maxing out at 90 pitches some nights. It's not a great comparison.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeez..  
section125 : 6/18/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14476278 Percy said:
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In comment 14476274 section125 said:


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In comment 14476259 Percy said:


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First time, let this go by. This time: no, we wouldn't all be happy if CC'd been pitching as badly as Happ was.



Bullshit. If CC put that up this game we'd all be happy. It is about as good as you are getting from CC.



You can curse all you want, but CC still throws with authority and where hitters don't get to it. Happ doesn't. Seven hits in four? No, no one would be happy -- except with the score. Not with the pitcher.


CC never gets above 88/89. Throws with authority? He lives on the corners, throws junk up and down, in and out. He barely gets out of 5 innings and sometimes makes it into the 6th.
What Happ threw tonight was CC numbers.
RE: My bad Percy  
Percy : 6/18/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14476287 adamg said:
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I misread your post (missed the 'd=had). Still though, CC is maxing out at 90 pitches some nights. It's not a great comparison.

To be fair, I can't disagree with this.
CC is crafty and when he is on, commands his stuff  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 10:56 pm : link
Happ is just up there chucking a few varieties of unimpressive fastballs with inferior command.
RE: RE: My bad Percy  
Percy : 6/18/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14476294 Percy said:
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In comment 14476287 adamg said:


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I misread your post (missed the 'd=had). Still though, CC is maxing out at 90 pitches some nights. It's not a great comparison.


To be fair, I can't disagree with this.


I mean about CC.
surfing between this and the USMNT game -  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 10:59 pm : link
did Maybin just homer again? WTF.
RE: surfing between this and the USMNT game -  
section125 : 6/18/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14476301 Del Shofner said:
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did Maybin just homer again? WTF.


2nd deck bomb.
.  
Bill2 : 6/18/2019 11:03 pm : link
Near as I can tell:

1) we are beating the second place team

2) Boston is losing

3) Some very good players are starting back ( Didi, Hicks, Stanton, Judge).

4) Some hard working guys who want to be Yankees are playing big to be Yankees

5) The key is to analyze which is more like a 4th or 5th pitcher? The choices are our 4th or 5th pitcher?

To be fair, Happ should be  
section125 : 6/18/2019 11:08 pm : link
better than what he has been. He has gotten better. But should be a lot better. Big drop off from Tanaka and Paxton to where Happ has been.
It goes back to what FMiC said - reading the thread it sounds like he got torched when he had about three hard hit balls and over half his hits were dribblers and off the label. He gave up no walks.
nice DP  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 11:09 pm : link
Didi is looking much better this week in the field.
Amazing DP  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 11:09 pm : link
Looked safe at 1st to the nude eye...
RE: nice DP  
Percy : 6/18/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14476310 RasputinPrime said:
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Didi is looking much better this week in the field.

Superb play!
EE  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 11:14 pm : link
walks the parrot.

6-3
Encarnacion  
Percy : 6/18/2019 11:15 pm : link
Yard! Looks like he could do that backhand, too.
EDWIN!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 11:15 pm : link
.
Cash may be able to trade  
section125 : 6/18/2019 11:15 pm : link
Maybin within the next week. No way they'll get rid of Gardner who is a lifer and starting to hit. He is still the better OF than Maybin. But damn it is close.
EE  
dune69 : 6/18/2019 11:17 pm : link
just a matter of time
RE: Cash may be able to trade  
RasputinPrime : 6/18/2019 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14476322 section125 said:
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Maybin within the next week. No way they'll get rid of Gardner who is a lifer and starting to hit. He is still the better OF than Maybin. But damn it is close.


Gardner retires a Yankee. He has speed, defense and he hits left. That plays more important off the bench than Maybin.
Cam MAYBIN  
GruningsOnTheHill : 6/18/2019 11:21 pm : link
You do NOT shitcan this M.F.
Maybin  
Percy : 6/18/2019 11:22 pm : link
Again and again!
RE: .  
mfsd : 6/18/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14476305 Bill2 said:
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Near as I can tell:

1) we are beating the second place team

2) Boston is losing

3) Some very good players are starting back ( Didi, Hicks, Stanton, Judge).

4) Some hard working guys who want to be Yankees are playing big to be Yankees

5) The key is to analyze which is more like a 4th or 5th pitcher? The choices are our 4th or 5th pitcher?


Jumped on the thread late after enjoying most of this one, and this brought a laugh, well played sir.

Nice to see EE with his first bomb...and he could barely contain his smile at his first Yankee HR...and realizing what he can do hitting it to RF in this park.
If only the Yanks could get rid of Stanton and his ludicrous contract  
nyjuggernaut2 : 6/18/2019 11:28 pm : link
.
GREAT series win!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 11:30 pm : link
.
Chapman warming up  
section125 : 6/18/2019 11:31 pm : link
a couple at 101 last one at 102...

Well done.
I see the Gary haters have graduated to hating Stanton.  
Mike from SI : 6/18/2019 11:32 pm : link
There are many reasons everyone hates our fanbase. One of them is people who cry when great players aren't perfect or go through down spells.
RE: Chapman warming up  
mfsd : 6/18/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14476340 section125 said:
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a couple at 101 last one at 102...

Well done.


That was the sharpest hes looked in a while. Not only throwing his old heat, but with command. Good sign.

I share the crowds Maybin love...wish we could go with 12 pitchers to keep him and Gardy.
RE: I see the Gary haters have graduated to hating Stanton.  
adamg : 6/18/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14476341 Mike from SI said:
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There are many reasons everyone hates our fanbase. One of them is people who cry when great players aren't perfect or go through down spells.


The haters are incorrigible. We're in first place! We just won! We have five 30 home run guys in the middle of line up. Can we all just be a little bit happy?

And great win Jints! You're rolling again!
This is right now a great lineup.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 11:39 pm : link
And to think sometime in the next week, it's going to get Aaron Judge added to it. It's an insane though, but it's going to happen.
*It's an insane thought*  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/18/2019 11:40 pm : link
.
Btw re Maybin  
Mike from SI : 6/18/2019 11:41 pm : link
I checked his stats and he's been playing in MLB since 2007(!) when he was only 20(!!) and he's only 32. I doubt this is one of those "tools guy finally puts things together" scenarios but maybe he can turn into a league-average or above-league-average player. Guy sure has put his time in.
.  
Bill2 : 6/18/2019 11:41 pm : link
could not help myself.

Hope you are well mfsd.

I dunno...its a fun team for a fan to root for. Seems like a good team, good clubhouse, lots of contributors, a rebound season by the Kraken and Britton, some cool seasons by easy to root for guys and we get to see some under the radar pros show up ( Urshela, Maybin, Maple, DJ)
Maybin's in a great situation  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 11:44 pm : link
and he's not giving it up lightly. He's always been talented. Good for him. Let it be Cash's problem.
RE: .  
section125 : 6/18/2019 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14476350 Bill2 said:
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could not help myself.

Hope you are well mfsd.

I dunno...its a fun team for a fan to root for. Seems like a good team, good clubhouse, lots of contributors, a rebound season by the Kraken and Britton, some cool seasons by easy to root for guys and we get to see some under the radar pros show up ( Urshela, Maybin, Maple, DJ)


Silent assassin. Touche...I can laugh at that.
for me  
Bill2 : 6/18/2019 11:57 pm : link
the best part of BBI for over 14 years are my fellow Yankee posters and threads.

For several of those years the Yankees were not fun to root for. Now they are. Just in time because some recent Giants years have been unwatchable football.

This recent Yankee surge have been the most likeable Yankee teams to root for. And I learned the game listening on the radio to the Mantle Maris HR race with my grandfather.

So CC or Happ? eh? We need 4th and 5th pitchers. All of them are frustrating for their teams. Two vets doing their best
Good stuff Bill  
adamg : 6/19/2019 12:01 am : link
Some people need reminding of how bad it can get.
FYI...  
Tesla : 6/19/2019 1:28 am : link
Deivi Gracia K's 15 (!!!) through 6 innings, allowing 1 hit and 1 walk tonight. 19 years old in AA. He did let 4 guys put the ball in play in 6 innings though....so I suppose he needs a bit more work.
RE: Why not get rid of  
Deejboy : 6/19/2019 1:58 am : link
In comment 14476220 beatrixkiddo said:
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Cessna instead of Maybin. Such a shame, guy has earned a role here.

Cause when Judge comes back there is no real role for him.
RE: I see the Gary haters have graduated to hating Stanton.  
Deejboy : 6/19/2019 2:16 am : link
In comment 14476341 Mike from SI said:
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There are many reasons everyone hates our fanbase. One of them is people who cry when great players aren't perfect or go through down spells.

There are fans who just are miserable. They take out the frustrations in their own lives and shortcomings onto players.
RE: .  
mfsd : 6/19/2019 7:25 am : link
In comment 14476350 Bill2 said:
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could not help myself.

Hope you are well mfsd.

I dunno...its a fun team for a fan to root for. Seems like a good team, good clubhouse, lots of contributors, a rebound season by the Kraken and Britton, some cool seasons by easy to root for guys and we get to see some under the radar pros show up ( Urshela, Maybin, Maple, DJ)


And you as well Bill...I agree with you that Yankee threads are amongst BBI's best. For the most part, very knowledgeable Yankee fans here, well read/informed and with a long history following the team.

My earliest memory of watching baseball is seeing my Dad go nuts watching the Dodgers come back to win the 81 Series. Fernandomania...blech.

Compared the 80s and the height of George's madness, this is a most likable team and org to root for and follow. Sure, we all know we may still be a #1 starter short of beating the Astros (or Sox if they hit their stride) in the playoffs, but the future is bright for the next decade at least.

As to the debate about Happ and CC...the real issue is we expected Sevy to give us a very strong top 3 with Tanaka and Paxton...Happ and CC plus starter depth should be a competitive rotation.

Sevy's lingering injury is the biggest blow IMO, not the fact Happ is just OK and CC's almost done.

Will be an interesting trade deadline, that's for sure
Article on Stanton getting booed  
section125 : 6/19/2019 8:04 am : link
last night...I thought I heard a smattering after the AB in the 8th.
This is pretty pathetic. Stanton and Judge will both be "off" for several games because of the layoff. It doesn't come back instantly.
Stanton Booed already - ( New Window )
Note re Boston/Minny  
Percy : 6/19/2019 11:02 am : link
Twins won it after all by a run in the 18th.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2019 11:18 am : link
Nice to see Eddy get his first Parrot Walk in already.

I didn't realize that we don't have options on Hale - I thought we'd be able to run a shuttle with he and Cortes in order to keep Maybin up.

I'd honestly still just DFA Cessa. If someone claims him, whatever.

There's no guarantee everyone will stay healthy in the OF - Stanton or Judge could aggravate something, Hicks' back could flare back up... who knows.

It's not as conventional to keep the 4th bench guy, but I'd still do it here for Maybin because you can use him late in games on the bases or in the field.

I think the Yanks will still keep Maybin - they'll likely just option Cortes and go from there. Nestor has actually been pretty valuable for us - he's soaked up innings in games where we've really needed someone to do so, and he's pitched pretty darn well in the process. He'll be back. But, there's no chance Maybin gets through if they go the DFA route there and they know that - so, I don't think they'll expose him.

Not a bad one for Happ last night. I'll gladly take that.

The Stanton booing is ludicrous - but there are morons in every fan base. It's, unfortunately, not a surprise at all.

Let's get another W today.
RE: Note re Boston/Minny  
Greg from LI : 6/19/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14476598 Percy said:
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Twins won it after all by a run in the 18th.


Interestingly enough, it was former Yankee farmhand Zach Littell who got the win.
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