particularly at the CB position (or DB if any of the guys picked gets moved to FS eventually.)
After grabbing his future franchise QB at 6 overall he used the following picks to bolster the defense:
1st round DT Dexter Lawrence
1st round (or call it early 2nd, 4th, and 5th rounders, the cost to move back into the 1st round) CB DeAndre Baker
3rd round (early) (at the value of a #2 since used a year early) CB Sam Beal.
3rd round (late) ER/OLB Oshane Ximines
4th round (early) CB Julian Love
5th round (early) ILB Ryan Connelly
6th round (early) CB Corey Ballentine
7th round (late) DT Chris Slayton
It's almost more impressive if you list it as their original draft assets before the trade up for Baker:
1st round DT
2nd round CB
3rd round CB
3rd round ER/OLB
4th round CB
4th round CB
5th round LB
5th round CB
6th round CB
7th round DT
Summed that's 6 draft picks spent on 4 CBs: Baker, Beal, Love and Ballentine. I'm guessing that's some type of cluster drafting record all time... Throw in last year's UDFA CB Grant Haley who played the nickle/slot CB pretty well, and got stronger as he gained experience at the position.
Each of the drafted CBs was a full 2 year starter at least - interestingly Ballentine looks to be the only full time 3 year starter among them. Ballentine was also a track star and an Academic All American over several semesters. Baker was a HS track star, and Beal too runs like a gazelle and has outstanding length.
It remains to be seen if any of these guys can play well at the NFL level, but I for one am very, very optimistic that DG has completely revamped the Giants' secondary in a manner that will bring tangible results to the defense this year.
Whatever, it's likely to be a wild ride as the kids find their NFL turf legs, and we'll be seeing more speed on the Giants' defense, by 2020 at least, than we've seen in a long time as this collection of track stars works their way into the Giants' starting, nickle and dime DB packages.
I think Lawrence is going to open eyes, I feel like outsiders are looking at him as a younger run stuffing NT, and he's not that. He's not even starting at NT in base, he's playing end, and they are moving him all across the formation(3T,0T,5T,4T). The Giants want for him to have an impact in their pass rush, it's not just lip service for passing on an edge rusher.
This was a severly broken roster, bith sides of the ball. Ir is being fundamentally reshaped. That takes more than a year.
This team may compete if things well from the gate. But if not, calling for heads is premature IMO short of something major.
That's a very important point people seem to miss. Although, to be fair, that 2 probably becomes 4 in sub packages calling for a lot of DBs on the field and quite possibly the X man as well, and if you count Beal as a "rookie." Can see Baker, Beal, Love and Ximines all having roles on passing downs by mid-season.
I suppose we want Carter and M. Golden to really strike hot and keep Xman on the bench, but you gotta rotate your DEs/ERs a bit too to keep them all fresh for the 4th QTR and late season. It would be nice if Xman turns into a better pass rusher than Kareem Martin has shown to be.
Everybody on this site was enthusiastically optimistic that that OL had been fixed. If you looked at my posts at the time, I said that while getting an better LT, that the line was far from fixed and as it was constituted at that time, it was probably worse than it was the in 2017...
Fast forward 1 year, and I while I believe the line seems to be better on paper, these guys still need to gel. Solder is another year older, Halapio is returning from a gruesome ankle injury (not that I was ever high on him before), and we really don't know how Remmers will turn out. And there is still very little depth... So I still don't consider the OL "fixed".
Getting Zeitler is a huge upgrade for the OL that you didn't mention.
Also, let's not forget that Flowers was the starting RT at the beginning of last season. Remmers is a big improvement from that...
Matt you and I are in sync a lot lately with what we see, hope for and even expect.
Yes, the fact that the personnel changes should now add up to Bettch running "his D" can really catch a lot of people - fans and media types both - by surprise. Hopefully, it catches our opposition by surprise too and there are enough serious vets (basically Bethea and Ogletree) to coordinate Bettch's vision on the field.
Maybe it's more a long shot than I am admitting at this point...
If you check my accounting closely, you will see that I only "mention" Beal as a 2nd round value. I account him as a 3rd round 2019 draft pick - quite clearly. The 2nd round pick used for a CB is part of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th rounders used to trade back up into the 1st to select Baker. And I don't do both together - ie count Baker as a 1st + 2nd + 4th + 5th, it's either one or the other way of looking at his cost, in two different posts I made above.
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I think you're using future year draft pick value backwards for Beal. The Giants used a supplemental 3rd on him, which remains a 3rd because it would have been their 3rd this past draft. The trade value of that 2019 3rd round pick back in 2018 would have been a 2018 4th, not a 2nd.
If you check my accounting closely, you will see that I only "mention" Beal as a 2nd round value. I account him as a 3rd round 2019 draft pick - quite clearly. The 2nd round pick used for a CB is part of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th rounders used to trade back up into the 1st to select Baker. And I don't do both together - ie count Baker as a 1st + 2nd + 4th + 5th, it's either one or the other way of looking at his cost, in two different posts I made above.
Yeah, I know what you said, and as I said, it's a minor nitpick. But you said "at the value of a #2 since used a year early" which is inaccurate. It would be the value of a 2018 #4 because it used a 2019 pick a year early, at least to the extent that you can translate the trade value of a draft pick in the current year vs. the subsequent year.
Trying to look at the investment value through DG's eyes.
Who is DA? The Giants drafted three guys in the first round this year, all of whom have D as a first initial, and none with the initials DA.
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and think he meant that, but his team saw DA as the real deal and changed the game plan. If we did not go QB this year we would have been pressured to go next year for sure. A lot cheaper this year. Lets hope he turns out to be the real deal. If so, this draft could turn out to be tremendous.
Who is DA? The Giants drafted three guys in the first round this year, all of whom have D as a first initial, and none with the initials DA.
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and think he meant that, but his team saw DA as the real deal and changed the game plan. If we did not go QB this year we would have been pressured to go next year for sure. A lot cheaper this year. Lets hope he turns out to be the real deal. If so, this draft could turn out to be tremendous.
Who is DA? The Giants drafted three guys in the first round this year, all of whom have D as a first initial, and none with the initials DA.
. Got me should have been DJ. Too much vodka can do that.
At 3:38pm on a Wednesday? Aggressive.
If you throw enough players against the wall - a few have to stick?
it was a similar situation with collins DG didnt think a box safety with limited coverage skills was worth the contract he was looking for and had the offer for peppers who they think will be better in coverage for a far lower contract so his value was better waiting in the wings
he probably should have tagged him and got a trade out of the redskins for him who seamed desperate to sign him anyway but he figures on the comp. pick he will get for letting him leave particularly after the monster overpayment by the skins will take care of that
if you watch his offseason pickups they are all vets that shouldnt damage his comp pick and that was his aim in this you might not agree with his choices but unlike the headlines this offseason he has a plan you might not agree with it but its there