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NFT: Gold cup : USA Vs Guyana 10pm EST

TommytheElephant : 6/18/2019 8:41 pm
Oh boy
Can't believe this is first game any meaning since they puked  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 8:54 pm : link
on themselves in TnT
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Gene : 6/18/2019 9:30 pm : link
Staring  
GF1080 : 6/18/2019 9:33 pm : link
Not loving this starting 11.
Not sure  
D-Rod : 6/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
why Zardes is starting over Altidore. Also, Miazga's been solid, wonder why he got benched.
I have never  
Gman11 : 6/18/2019 9:42 pm : link
understood what they see in Bradley.
Are we running a 541 or 451 espn and fs1 differ  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 9:43 pm : link
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I son't think Altidore is fit.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 9:43 pm : link
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RE: I son't think Altidore is fit.  
D-Rod : 6/18/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14476197 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I agree that is probably why, but they can use this game to gauge how far he is and use it to get fit. I hope this game isn't a test for them.
RE: I have never  
D-Rod : 6/18/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14476193 Gman11 said:
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understood what they see in Bradley.


He was a good player in his prime and better than Trapp now. Roldan hasn't done great with his chances either.
Holy shit this pregame on FS1....Guyana is a good team?  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 9:49 pm : link
GTFOH...they are playing people in the 7th division of England. Its like they are making excuses before it even begins.
Trapp is hot garbage. I don't fault Bradley for him sucking.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 9:50 pm : link
I'm curiuos where Pulisic plays. I hope he is on the wing.
Jesus Christ we need to get fundamentaly sound defensively.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 10:27 pm : link
I'd rather a 0-0 draw than a 4-2 win.
RE: Jesus Christ we need to get fundamentaly sound defensively.  
jgambrosio : 6/18/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14476251 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I'd rather a 0-0 draw than a 4-2 win.


Forget defense, learn how to pass and possess. Awful so far, too many easy turnovers on bad passes.
Ugh  
jgambrosio : 6/18/2019 10:32 pm : link
Should have put that one in the net.
Arriola!  
Gene : 6/18/2019 10:35 pm : link
1-0
Definitely should have been 2-0 there  
jgambrosio : 6/18/2019 10:36 pm : link
Could have had three guys score there. Goalie down.
Guyana has a guy starting that plays for "walking boys company"  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 10:37 pm : link
Anything less than a 3 goal vivtory would be pretty sad.
Zardes hesitated on the shot than on the pass.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 10:37 pm : link
Impressive.
Goal!  
Pete in MD : 6/18/2019 10:38 pm : link
Tits McGee!
Boyd  
Gene : 6/18/2019 10:52 pm : link
has to bury that one. ugh
Half  
jgambrosio : 6/18/2019 10:54 pm : link
This match could as easily be 3-0 as it could be 1-1. Need to clean up quite a bit if they want to compete for the cup.
never saw Nick Lima play before -  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 10:56 pm : link
he's pretty good. I mean, the team as a whole is Christian Pulisic and the 10 dwarves, but of the dwarves about 5 are not bad. Lima, Arriola, McKinney. Then there's Bradley who's playing kind of a throwback #8 sweeper or glue guy in front of the defenders - he's not that great, but he does what he does. We need more from Zardes and the other guys up front
Ugly  
GF1080 : 6/18/2019 10:56 pm : link
Bad first half. We are playing a bad team we should be dominating this.
...  
Man In The Box : 6/18/2019 10:58 pm : link
Pretty uninspiring first half
RE: never saw Nick Lima play before -  
jgambrosio : 6/18/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14476296 Del Shofner said:
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he's pretty good. I mean, the team as a whole is Christian Pulisic and the 10 dwarves, but of the dwarves about 5 are not bad. Lima, Arriola, McKinney. Then there's Bradley who's playing kind of a throwback #8 sweeper or glue guy in front of the defenders - he's not that great, but he does what he does. We need more from Zardes and the other guys up front


Pleasantly surprised by Lima as well. Bradley on the other hand, one of the sloppier guys in the half. His time should be running short I hope. Just doesn't present any threat ever, may as well just put him on pure defense...
Zardes looks like constantly trips over his own feet.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:01 pm : link
I like Boyd, but man he could be a real player if he could learn how to shoot.
Trapp or Bradley  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:03 pm : link
Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich part deux.
I think Bradley is trying to model his game on Pirlo but  
Del Shofner : 6/18/2019 11:08 pm : link
to say he's a poor man's Pirlo assumes a very poor man indeed.
They are barely playing better than last week. The only ditference  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:12 pm : link
is level of opponent. Panama is going to beat us.
Although its biy early to judge. Pulisic looks a bit rusty  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:13 pm : link
and Jozy would have at least a goal by now.
Boyd!  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:15 pm : link
Man of the match.
Boyd buries that one!  
Gene : 6/18/2019 11:16 pm : link
2-0
Nice pass by Bradley  
D-Rod : 6/18/2019 11:16 pm : link
I like Boyd. He can play.
That pass was late by Bradley but even worse  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:18 pm : link
defending. Just glad to see Boyd can finish. I think he is gonna be a long term guy if he can finish like that even oxcasionaly.
Lol Zardes....what a joke.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:19 pm : link
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Boyd and Pulisic on the wings is very exciting.  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/18/2019 11:21 pm : link
Something USMNT to be excited about! Can't remember the last time I felt that way.
Add Weah as well.  
D-Rod : 6/18/2019 11:22 pm : link
Plus Adams and Mckennie
RE: Boyd and Pulisic on the wings is very exciting.  
Deejboy : 6/19/2019 2:18 am : link
In comment 14476330 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Something USMNT to be excited about! Can't remember the last time I felt that way.

All these guys play in Europe. Pretty much confirming soccer is a European game and odds are will never be a U.S. game like basketball, baseball, hockey, and football.
Several observations  
Rick in Dallas : 6/19/2019 7:08 am : link
Boyd was offsides on first goal he scored. It wasn’t even close."
Zardes scores an accidental rebound goal. I don’t think he even realized what happened.
Back four will be a major concern against even an average team no less a good team.
Boyd was the player of the match and Arriola played a good game.
Bradley not the same player he was earlier in his career
RE: Several observations  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14476396 Rick in Dallas said:
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Boyd was offsides on first goal he scored. It wasn’t even close."
Zardes scores an accidental rebound goal. I don’t think he even realized what happened.
Back four will be a major concern against even an average team no less a good team.
Boyd was the player of the match and Arriola played a good game.
Bradley not the same player he was earlier in his career
Pretty much agree:
- I've been railing against the back 4 for more than four years; it doesn't seem to matter the names, their play is the same, lead foot, clueless at anticipation what is developing, slow to react. Yeah, because Americans are tall and physical, they play decently with the ball in the air, that's about it;
- Jozy has his strengths, but Zardes seems like a poor man's Jozy; can hold and fend off, but mediocre in creating and quickly converting
- GT has remained a Bradley disciple, and he knows his shit, but I just don't see it, any more, not for years, and he gives the ball away on errant passes all the time, nowhere near as quick as he used to be; Del should be banned from all soccer threads for putting Pirlo in the same sentence as MB ):
I'm fine with the CBs  
D-Rod : 6/19/2019 9:59 am : link
Long is coming off a hamstring and hadn't looked himself, but he is fast and has great anticipation. I like Miazga as well, not sure why he was benched. I guess the dumb mistake in the last game, perhaps. Zimmerman is fine as well off the bench.

When Brooks comes back, this is a solid group with depth.

The fullbacks though, who knows. Lima is playing decently, but let's see when the comp steps up. Team has played for years in good leagues (prem and championship) but he worries me.
Question from a non-technical fan:  
section125 : 6/19/2019 10:02 am : link
Is this team faster than those of the recent past? I caught the 2nd half and it jumped out at me that the midfielders and wingers look much faster and played faster than in previous seasons.
It's so hard for me to get into these Gold Cup games.  
Ceez2.0 : 6/19/2019 11:28 am : link
Other than those of USMNT and Mexico, these games are just so blah. The level of competition is so much lower than that of the Copa America.
RE: RE: Boyd and Pulisic on the wings is very exciting.  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14476375 Deejboy said:
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In comment 14476330 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Something USMNT to be excited about! Can't remember the last time I felt that way.


All these guys play in Europe. Pretty much confirming soccer is a European game and odds are will never be a U.S. game like basketball, baseball, hockey, and football.


This is such a bad take.
RE: Question from a non-technical fan:  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14476539 section125 said:
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Is this team faster than those of the recent past? I caught the 2nd half and it jumped out at me that the midfielders and wingers look much faster and played faster than in previous seasons.


We haven't had speedy wingers like Boys and Pulisic since probably Landon and DeMarcus Beasley
Jon, you're dating yourself  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2019 12:32 pm : link
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that you remember when DeMarcus played on the wing
RE: Jon, you're dating yourself  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14476726 ColHowPepper said:
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that you remember when DeMarcus played on the wing


Haha young DeMarcus was awesome!
This team is the worst USMNT I've seen since the 1994 World Cup  
BigBlueBuff : 6/19/2019 2:31 pm : link
Do not be fooled by this match. Guyana was a team of semi-professionals and low level pros. The US should have won that match by 8 or 9 goals.

This team might not advance out of this group because I'm simply not sure they're better than either Trinidad or Tobago or Panama. They will certainly be outcoached by both. Overall, the US player pool (not including the kids who aren't ready such as Sargent, Weah, Pomykal, etc.) currently has a grand total of FIVE quality players: Pulisic, McKinnie, Adams (injured), Brooks (injured), and Boyd.

The tactics are a mess. Beerholder wants to play possession soccer out of the back but the players are so risk averse with possession that they continually play balls square or backwards and end up putting the goalkeeper in a situation where HE has to make the risky pass. It's just stupid and cost them against Venezuela. On the other side, the US has no clue how to press and let a bunch of semi-pros break their press and possess the ball for far more than they should have. The team looks far more lost than they did in their worst days under Klinsmann. Oh my, how I miss the days of Bob Bradley and his pragmatic counterattacking style.

The talent pool is very down, but it's not being helped by some bizarre decisions in team selection. Trapp, Roldon, Mihailovic aren't international quality and have shown very little to suggest that they ever will be. They were humiliated by Venezuela because they are MLS water carriers and not good enough for the international game. It would have been better to call one of the U-21 kids like Paxton Pomykal up or bringing in some of the lower tier European players rather than trotting these guys match after match. Michael Bradley is past his prime and a shadow of his former self, but at least he is miles better than Will Trapp who is bullied by anyone with a pulse in midfield. So far Beerholder seems to favor "his" guys like Trapp and Zardes over better players and that's going to poison the pool worse than anything Klinsmann ever did.

I understand that there are injuries, but even a healthy Tyler Adams would be put at RIGHT FREAKING BACK by Beerholder rather than in the midfield role currently occupied by a diminished Bradley and that waste of space Trapp. I know that Beerholder imagines Adams bombing into midfield on offense, but what happens when they play a real team that can put them under pressure and keep them pinned back? Why is Pulisic, a hugely successful attacking winger being played in midfield where he's less effective?

This team remains desperate for a striker and while I still believe that Jozy's ability to hold the ball and his vision for linking up play are still useful he is constantly injured and we're still 3 years away, at least, from Josh Sargent being a useful international player. In the meantime, I'd take anyone other than Zardes, one of Beerholder's former MLS players.

Ugh, so much to say and so much frustration and I don't have all the knowledge and skill to really lay it out in a clear and concise way. Just completely frustrated with everything that's happened over the past 5 years or so.

Interesting commentary  
widmerseyebrow : 6/19/2019 3:16 pm : link
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The case for keeping USMNT coach Greg Berhalter on a short leash - ( New Window )
RE: This team is the worst USMNT I've seen since the 1994 World Cup  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14476907 BigBlueBuff said:
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Do not be fooled by this match. Guyana was a team of semi-professionals and low level pros. The US should have won that match by 8 or 9 goals.

This team might not advance out of this group because I'm simply not sure they're better than either Trinidad or Tobago or Panama. They will certainly be outcoached by both. Overall, the US player pool (not including the kids who aren't ready such as Sargent, Weah, Pomykal, etc.) currently has a grand total of FIVE quality players: Pulisic, McKinnie, Adams (injured), Brooks (injured), and Boyd.

The tactics are a mess. Beerholder wants to play possession soccer out of the back but the players are so risk averse with possession that they continually play balls square or backwards and end up putting the goalkeeper in a situation where HE has to make the risky pass. It's just stupid and cost them against Venezuela. On the other side, the US has no clue how to press and let a bunch of semi-pros break their press and possess the ball for far more than they should have. The team looks far more lost than they did in their worst days under Klinsmann. Oh my, how I miss the days of Bob Bradley and his pragmatic counterattacking style.

The talent pool is very down, but it's not being helped by some bizarre decisions in team selection. Trapp, Roldon, Mihailovic aren't international quality and have shown very little to suggest that they ever will be. They were humiliated by Venezuela because they are MLS water carriers and not good enough for the international game. It would have been better to call one of the U-21 kids like Paxton Pomykal up or bringing in some of the lower tier European players rather than trotting these guys match after match. Michael Bradley is past his prime and a shadow of his former self, but at least he is miles better than Will Trapp who is bullied by anyone with a pulse in midfield. So far Beerholder seems to favor "his" guys like Trapp and Zardes over better players and that's going to poison the pool worse than anything Klinsmann ever did.

I understand that there are injuries, but even a healthy Tyler Adams would be put at RIGHT FREAKING BACK by Beerholder rather than in the midfield role currently occupied by a diminished Bradley and that waste of space Trapp. I know that Beerholder imagines Adams bombing into midfield on offense, but what happens when they play a real team that can put them under pressure and keep them pinned back? Why is Pulisic, a hugely successful attacking winger being played in midfield where he's less effective?

This team remains desperate for a striker and while I still believe that Jozy's ability to hold the ball and his vision for linking up play are still useful he is constantly injured and we're still 3 years away, at least, from Josh Sargent being a useful international player. In the meantime, I'd take anyone other than Zardes, one of Beerholder's former MLS players.

Ugh, so much to say and so much frustration and I don't have all the knowledge and skill to really lay it out in a clear and concise way. Just completely frustrated with everything that's happened over the past 5 years or so.


I don't disagree with you, but calling him Beerholder is childish enough to undermine the validity of many of your points. Just something to consider.

I think he should be on a short leash. There are plenty of red flags already.

I still think they should have hired Oscar Pareja, but would be open to a Bob Bradley return, especially after what he's done with LAFC.
RE: This team is the worst USMNT I've seen since the 1994 World Cup  
section125 : 6/19/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14476907 BigBlueBuff said:
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Do not be fooled by this match. Guyana was a team of semi-professionals and low level pros. The US should have won that match by 8 or 9 goals.


Once you start with disparaging name calling your commentary is useless.
Jon  
BigBlueBuff : 6/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
Boo-fucking-hoo.
RE: Jon  
Jon in NYC : 6/19/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14477004 BigBlueBuff said:
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Boo-fucking-hoo.


Mature.
The more I think about it the more i think Bradley should make  
Zeke's Alibi : 6/19/2019 4:02 pm : link
a return. He has made strides as a manager since his last go around and isn't completely married to his system as before. We have the attacking mids needed to run his style, and we would shore up defensively.
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