Finally listened to it in it s entirety. As is often the case it is fascinating how people can hear or see the same thing and have entirely different takes :
Of course I refer to the comments about Eli and Jones. You can hear whatever you want to if you take words out of context , and there was much of that.
But there were two comments in or out of context that would be hard to misinterpret.
1. Eli is the starting quarterback
2. The man at every position that gives the New York Giants the
Best chance to win, plays.
Maybe I m simplifying, but to me that means at the moment Eli is the best quarterback, however if at any time during the season Jones gives them the best chance of winning, he plays.
To me that more than implies it is an open competition at all all positions including quarterback.
Wanted to revisit the topic because I was amazed at how defensive some of the host on Giants.com at the suggestion there was a competition at that position.
Personally I m good with Eli getting this season, he s earned it, but competition is good
The minute Jones is ready, you play him. This is football - even if it were a sentimental sport (and it's not), Eli is way past any point of playing only out of sentimentality. Anything "owed" to him is completely mitigated by the 23 million dollars they're paying him to be a below average starting QB.
I had the same take as you: Eli is the starter, DJ is progressing to the point where he can play if called upon for whatever reason bc "you never know what happens" [whether injury or benching]
I had the same take as you: Eli is the starter, DJ is progressing to the point where he can play if called upon for whatever reason bc "you never know what happens" [whether injury or benching]
I don't think he's being arrogant. I think he's just sick of all the overreactions to every little thing the Giants do. Can't say I disagree with him. If you read a reporters take on his presser and adopted their view without actually reading or listening to the presser yourself, well...thats pretty idiotic.
The minute Jones is ready, you play him. This is football - even if it were a sentimental sport (and it's not), Eli is way past any point of playing only out of sentimentality. Anything "owed" to him is completely mitigated by the 23 million dollars they're paying him to be a below average starting QB.
Yeah let's see what he can do with consistent adequate blocking for once in the last 8 years. If he struggles Jones goes in at some point. Myself, I'm betting Eli shuts a lot of people up this year.
The minute Jones is ready, you play him. This is football - even if it were a sentimental sport (and it's not), Eli is way past any point of playing only out of sentimentality. Anything "owed" to him is completely mitigated by the 23 million dollars they're paying him to be a below average starting QB.
Eli's the starter, Jones is doing everything he can to get ready to play. (Just like every backup on the team.)
There should be zero confusion. It's like the beat writers don't understand that every backup on the team is getting ready to play. They are all here just to get coffee for the starters.
I don't think he's being arrogant. I think he's just sick of all the overreactions to every little thing the Giants do. Can't say I disagree with him. If you read a reporters take on his presser and adopted their view without actually reading or listening to the presser yourself, well...thats pretty idiotic.
Listen, I completely 1000% agree with his point about the nature of media and click bait. But he always comes back to the stance that anyone that disagrees with him doesn't know what they're talking about.
For example,
he was a Heavy Heavy booster for David Webb. "Giants have a plan, all the tools, Eli successor in the long run, yada ya" Cut and lands on a practice squad.
"Anyone who thinks the Giants are trading Odell is an idiot"
On and On
He's also the biggest Eli homer out there. I love Eli. He had a good career and was awesome off the field. His time has been up for years now. He's lucky we've kept him this long.
Also stop blaming the media. The media didn't create some false narrative. Shurmur wanted this stuff to be out there. He's not dumb and neither are the Giants organization. He could have easily put this stuff to bed. He chose not to multiple times.
Bottom line, he spit the bit last summer and raised concerns about whether he could handle the intangible component of the game... keeping composure, shrugging off mistakes, pressure situations, etc., and he put it on tape. When it came down to it, PS and DG didn't want to go into the season essentially with two rookies behind Eli, including one with some newly-raised question marks. So they chose their draft pick along with the journeyman vet, and tried to shop Webb to no avail.
So, when Dottino gets slammed for being a vocal proponent of Webb, I look at it two ways. Yes, another example of PD cheerleading and being wrong, but his sentiment also reflected that of some decisionmakers in the organization, until training camp and preseason 2018.
Take it FWIW...
I get that people think Eli will shut people up this year because he'll have a better line. I've had hopes for him for several years now (imagine what he can do with Beckham, Barkley, and Engram, etc.) but he just keeps disappointing. I'm not buying it any more. And now that the heir apparent is here, I think it's high time they move on.
With ALL due respect to Eli - I think he's a Hall of Famer and an all-time Giants great, but his days of giving us a chance to win a championship are long gone. Just callin it like I see it.
Shurmur knew what he was saying. If nothing else, he was saying that Jones is closer than some might think and that we could see him sooner rather than later. A little preconditioning of the market...
His ability to make plays with his legs is going to give the offense a whole different dimension
Eli's the starter, Jones is doing everything he can to get ready to play. (Just like every backup on the team.)
There should be zero confusion. It's like the beat writers don't understand that every backup on the team is getting ready to play. They are all here just to get coffee for the starters.
Except that’s not what joeipa said. Actually he said the opposite.
Beyond that, we all know Jones will eventually replace Eli. And we, as football fans, should all understand there is nothing the least bit controversial there. The same is true of every position.
There is a starter, and there are backups preparing to play. Obvious as the sky is blue.
Can Eli FINALLY learn to throw a decent screen?
Can Eli reset his internal clock back to normal with an improved OL and running game?
Can Daniel make enough plays in training camp, pre-season and practice to warrant a true competition? (Gotta knock the champ out ... (Cant win by decisions))
Can Daniel show that the brass was right that his mental approach is advanced as stated?
Is it true that Daniel is actually better than perceived and his supporting cast actually dragged him down?
Whoever gets the most "Yes" answers will win ...
Why so grumpy? We re just discussing football. I stated in the thread title it was rehashing old news. Just wanted to give my two cents and see if anyone agreed.
Beyond that, we all know Jones will eventually replace Eli. And we, as football fans, should all understand there is nothing the least bit controversial there. The same is true of every position.
There is a starter, and there are backups preparing to play. Obvious as the sky is blue.
So why are you bashing the beat writers when they had the same take as joeinpa; that the starting QB position is open to whichever player gives Giants the best chance to win?
Because that is obviously Eli Manning early in the season no matter how well Jones performs.