Caught a good bit on the radio while driving...John and Suzyn weren’t ever good, but they’re just awful at this point. They spent about 6 innings raving about what an amazing job the Rays bullpen did after we knocked out Snell
Barely any chatter about CCs game, or the job the Yanks bullpen did
Nevertheless...nice to see a good stat booster game to finish off the second place team!
They have to. Look at some of the names putting up monster numbers for them - Jason Castro? Jorge Polanco? Max Kepler? CJ Cron? Jake Odorizzi?? MITCH GARVER??
Those guys are not going to maintain these levels of production all year.
I'd rather see the Twinkies put 17 runs up on them.
Have to start thinking about catching the Twins. ..
Nah man it's the Division first for me. If we catch the Twins by the end of the year that'll be great. If not it'll only take one win up there to take the home field advantage they worked for all year, back to the Bronx.
Let's get the Divison and not worry about the damned one and done WC, and then go from there.
we're 2.5 behind the Twins and 1.5 behind the Astros. If we keep playing well there's plenty of time to make that up and win the division along the way.
we're 2.5 behind the Twins and 1.5 behind the Astros. If we keep playing well there's plenty of time to make that up and win the division along the way.
No doubt Del, it's just for me the Division has to be their first priority. Let's get that and we'll see where we are with the rest after that.
Lol, some of these sports radio callers are fucking brutal.
Guy doesn't want home runs... he just wants singles and doubles. And until Stanton does that, he thinks it's fine to boo him - even this soon. But this same guy did NOT boo Gary Sanchez last year.
Then he says Stanton is "ARod 2.0" - brilliant.
There's no 2009 championship without ARod.
I have no idea how people even come up with these shit takes.
Just stop watching baseball if you hate home runs that much.
Anyway...
Glad we got the sweep today. Looks like we're out of that little mini slump. The Rays can be a pain in the ass, so even with their struggles @ YS, that was still a big series to take all 3 on.
Houston is going to be really tough. Would love to give them some payback after that nightmare series @ Minute Maid in April.
we're 2.5 behind the Twins and 1.5 behind the Astros. If we keep playing well there's plenty of time to make that up and win the division along the way.
No doubt Del, it's just for me the Division has to be their first priority. Let's get that and we'll see where we are with the rest after that.
If the Yanks have the best record in baseball, they win the division and have homefield throughout. It is too early to worry about it now, but I agree that the Twinkies will cool off. They lead the AL in home runs for Pete's sake. How is that possible? 21 more than the Yankees....
Lol, some of these sports radio callers are fucking brutal.
Guy doesn't want home runs... he just wants singles and doubles. And until Stanton does that, he thinks it's fine to boo him - even this soon. But this same guy did NOT boo Gary Sanchez last year.
Then he says Stanton is "ARod 2.0" - brilliant.
There's no 2009 championship without ARod.
I have no idea how people even come up with these shit takes.
Just stop watching baseball if you hate home runs that much.
Anyway...
Glad we got the sweep today. Looks like we're out of that little mini slump. The Rays can be a pain in the ass, so even with their struggles @ YS, that was still a big series to take all 3 on.
Houston is going to be really tough. Would love to give them some payback after that nightmare series @ Minute Maid in April.
I want 3 of 4.
I left on YES and some of these callers to Kay are brutal. He is slamming on the anti-Stanton crowd and deservedly so. Telling them "stop following the game" lol. I've never listened to his radio gig so I didn't realize he is so outspoken.
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Re Clint, this is the second immature thing he has done. I usually excuse immaturity, especially by young players, but this is beginning to irritate me. It's his own damn fault that he looked lost in the outfield, paving the way for Maybin/Tauchman to steal his job. (And he likely would have eventually been sent down anyway considering Gardner wasn't going anywhere.
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
Perfect started raining right after they got the last out. Nothing like a 6 spot right off the bat. Have to be honest I thought coming in this might be the Ray's day but its huge the way we came in and put our foot down on their throat. Huge message sent as we enter this stretch where we're gonna play them so much.
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
So that was basically fake news? Sad!
Nothing fake about it all. Several news outlets have reported it. Here is one with Boone's response. Cashman also responded later in the day that he didn't have any issues with it. I think Boone and Cash both understand that Clint earned his spot and was being demoted due to a numbers game, and that the kid is taking it hard. NJ.com - ( New Window )
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Re Clint, this is the second immature thing he has done. I usually excuse immaturity, especially by young players, but this is beginning to irritate me. It's his own damn fault that he looked lost in the outfield, paving the way for Maybin/Tauchman to steal his job. (And he likely would have eventually been sent down anyway considering Gardner wasn't going anywhere.
I don't think he lost his job to either guy, he was starting most nights in front of both. Plus, Tauch was demoted the next day, and Maybin is one of the possible cuts/demotions when Judge returns. Frazier was most likely sent down because he could be traded for a SP soon and/or because he still has options.
I read that Tauchman took the full 3 days to report when he was sent down earlier in the season, too. This is just the parasites in the media trying to manufacture a controversy.
Every time he is at the moment where he is getting serious major league experience, he gets demoted for several reasons including a starter coming back, injuries including multiple concussions, or a starter coming back. :) This time, his bat has been major league good though his defense has been less than good. His frustration is understandable and if it took 72 hours, I'm good with that. He deserves to send a message. He may get traded or he may get another go
but he deserves to make his own statement without breaking the rules.
1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Not sure why they said that. Judge has 1 hit in his last 2 games. But it was a home run.
Its the worse kind of noise out there but if you read everything you will notice that in the last week Frazier not being a good fit within the team and lot well liked by teammates has begun to pop up here and there in the media:
1) Normally not the recent version of the Yankees to leak much of what goes on in the clubhouse other then who is a good fit/leader/glue.
2) Could be media
3) Could be Yankees ( remember the manipulative and political Levine office cant help generate negative attention to demonstrate to the bosses he has to watch the assets ( asshole)) paving the way for trading him? beats me. The Giants do that chickenshit. So do many other sports and entertainment based industries (the talent is hard to work with is a go to trope for the suits).
4) Could be true and it could be that the Yankees care about culture fit enough to shorten their patience. Could be they know Frazier did not ever work hard on his defense...I have no idea.
Could be we should not expect great maturity from every 24 year old who is under pressure.
All I do know it that there are whiffs of smoke where there were none before. I get the offense was great until May, slipped in May and picked up lately. I also know that he is as a matter of fact a very below average defender and seemed to be accumulating Knoblauch like yips.
We may root for him and his potential, but he is a flawed player at this time. And the Yankees have much more data and greater insight into his future than we do
I guess its also valuable not to fall in love with position prospects and edge cases, future potential or skewed profiles for this team at this time in Yankee history.
Position player loaded and pitching needy until a new wave of arms and injuries heals (I don't know what everyone else sees, but Severino and Betances are shut down with the kind of injuries that only rest will heal and rapid return of torque will lose a career) the Yankee fan is bound to lose via trade a fan favorite sooner or later.
We are going to have to take risks or depend on flashes to heal a starting rotation with three slots than can be improved and a bullpen one short of plan.
Pitchers are the most expensive commodity. Its hard to see how the Yankees will not have to part with a guy or guys we like and who could make noise in MLB. Could that be Andujar? Frazier? Estrada? Florial? Didi? Garcia? Loisiga? German? Stanton? Yes, it could. Can a case be made to keep each and everyone of those names? Yes it can
The Astros, Dodgers, Braves are not going anywhere and all are poised to field tremendous teams for a decade. Several other teams could get hot and stop the Yankees on the path to the WS (Sox, Twins).
Cashman has built a team and won many a trade. It gets harder to overwhelmingly win the remaining building blocks. Especially if the owners want some kind of fiscal discipline.
Its not going to be a mistake to trade some fan favorites, its going to not be so one sided to trade them for the next blocks on the pyramid. Our minor leagues are loaded with high risk/high reward 2 years away players. As it should be for a team who wants to be elite for a decade. For right now, we cant project many of the talents in the minor leagues and neither can other teams without wide risk reward probabilities.
Watching good players like Frazier get squeezed out is going to happen over the next two years. So are surprises that meet the moment for the Yankees are smart ( Urshela, Maybin, German) and injuries will happen.
Remember that if Stanton and Judge did not get injured, Frazier would have spent the year to date in the minors working on defense and getting over his concussion...and we would only mention him when Gardy had a bad day at the plate.
Baseball fans who go up and down with the ups and downs of baseball wont have a lot of fun watching a team constructed like the Yankees are at this time.
They can afford to be simultaneously very picky and impatient at some positions ( Catcher bullpen and OF) so small flaws and development time is not available for some players and are very needy at others. Fair does not fall evenly for each player.
I had not heard or maybe I did not pay attention to snipes at Frazier. Aside from the bad OF play and the night he refused to talk to the media I have not heard negatives toward Frazier. I get he is frustrated because unlike some, he is not an AAAA player. He is a true MLB player. He is stuck in a deep position and has had some unfortunate problems pop up to lengthen his AAA time in the past two years.
Like most said, I hope they can hold him because he is Gardner's replacement. If Cash and Boone directed Bell to play him exclusively at LF and CF that is because they want him to take Gardy's spot, that is exactly where Gardy plays and they will need somebody to backup Hicks a couple days per week next year. Right now it would have to be Judge.
You are right, some 24 year olds are not mature (let's say not MLB savvy in this case). I like the fire in his belly. He just shows it the wrong way.
He may very well be traded for a pitcher. But it won't happen until Sevy gets closer to playing. If Sevy has a set back, the chances rise that he is traded. If Sevy completes his rehab and returns, I'd have to believe that his chances of being part of a trade drop precipitously.
I hope he keeps his head in the game, digs deep and works on his OF play. And I hope they don't need to trade him.
not being a good fit has been there since he was acquired. I think Bill is correct where it's coming from. But he sure is a different guy than the rest of the Yankees. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Might actually be a good thing. If he's still a Yankee on 8/1/19 he's probably the starting LF next year. Gardener and EE probably won't be on the 2020 team.
has always been some chatter about Frazier, but now it leans more to the negative based on perception.
He's always been described as fiery, and that's usually a double-edged sword, because while it shows grit and determination when things are going well, it can get reversed when things go poorly.
It is a more prominent example, but you'll likely see something similar with Baker Mayfield. All of that fire will be looked at as awesome if the Browns are winning, and it will be looked at as divisive if they start losing.
has always been some chatter about Frazier, but now it leans more to the negative based on perception.
He's always been described as fiery, and that's usually a double-edged sword, because while it shows grit and determination when things are going well, it can get reversed when things go poorly.
It is a more prominent example, but you'll likely see something similar with Baker Mayfield. All of that fire will be looked at as awesome if the Browns are winning, and it will be looked at as divisive if they start losing.
Ok, guess I just dismissed or ignored most of it. At least Hal is sticking up for him.
Ok, guess I just dismissed or ignored most of it. At least Hal is sticking up for him
His "fire" has almost always been described positively. Not sure why it is getting turned on him now. Could be reporters seeding things because of being snubbed - could be a way to sway public opinion to set up a trade.
I am not referring to chatter about not being happy or not reporting or not speaking to media. I saw new smoke signals in the mix.
And honestly, although I can see his side, sorry, that is not major league defense at all and his hitting is not DH level for any playoff spot contender either. A chance to work on defense re positions him for millions.
For all we know the Yankees know he did not work on it at the level guys like Voit or Andujar or Judge did to try to maximize their impact as players. OR its concussion related.
As for Levine, you can assume he sneaks in ways to tarnish Cashman every chance he gets. Small man in a job that's smaller once the deals are completed for the family. He is a Steinbrenner family valuation optimizer and deal developer ( via old cronies/actual value added work done by Goldman)...just stashed on the Yankee payroll. I no longer remember which media writers he works through those the ones I read were new writers to my eyes
Could be reporters seeding things because of being snubbed
I'm pretty sure that's it, whiny petulant bitches that they are.
Would not surprise me in the least...
Gosh, I thought Levine was gone. POS, backstabbing and useless. We laughed about "pictures" where in concerned Quinn with the Giants and the Maras.....
For example, did he have trouble with sliders or change ups and if was only a matter of time that the next book on how to pitch to him was out? Do they think his May is more the mean and June had some pitchers or data anomalies he is not likely to see again against good teams? Did average exit velocity go down even though batting average went up?
They can dive so much deeper into all these items. My points are that:
1) Someone who looks really good to us is a greater or lesser risk up or down for reasons we never know (Montero).
2) As compared to two years ago when the emergence of Severino, Judge and Sanchez jumped us into a level of elite teams a year sooner then expected, flaws and time to improve that were acceptable 2 years ago are more risky/less patient heading into 2020.
Its normally reasonable to second guess FO decisions when teams are not so good on talent and decision history ( the recent NY Giants) but it gets harder to know enough as you climb the ladder to competing with the top four franchises
to hold onto Frazier, but it wouldn't bother me if they
move him for a good starting pitcher with team control
beyond this season. Aka, not a rental.
Some of the concerns when they first acquired him I read about, were that he tends to hold onto things, or pays to
much attention to the 'white noise'. Whether you believe
it or not, he did give a glimpse of that when he finally spoke after ignoring the media after his tough night in the field.
He was talking about things from two years ago, his hair being one of them,
I guess the other was the uniform number thing, (that was really on Georgie Girl).
The point is, as a young player, you have to let that stuff go, you can't hold onto to that stuff in this market.
I like the player a lot - I haven't let the poor defense / miscues really change my perception of him in that regard. But, there are a lot of warning signs there with the personality. He continues to do stuff that demonstrates that he has very thin skin - i.e... scrubbing his entire IG page just because he was sent down.
I understand he's frustrated; he has the right to be. But, there are just things in the way he handles himself that seem to not really fit in here and I'm sure despite things that are said publicly, this isn't lost on the front office.
While I wouldn't want to see him dealt for anything less than full value, I do think he's going to be the first guy teams ask about and odds are, Cashman won't be totally against including him in a deal for pitching.
I think to get someone worth a damn, he's probably going to be in there. If we go for something closer to a Happ-esque deal, obviously we'd be able to dip a tier or two lower in terms of cost - but if you're talking about bigger guns like Bumgarner, Scherzer, or even Stroman... I think it might be tough to move those teams off Frazier. Stroman you could probably manage to avoid sending him with the right combo of other pieces... not sure about the other guys, though.
I don't know. It just doesn't feel like he's long for the Yankees. But that's just a gut feeling. If he sticks around and performs here, great. But he's certainly got a bit of maturing to do.
Barely any chatter about CCs game, or the job the Yanks bullpen did
Nevertheless...nice to see a good stat booster game to finish off the second place team!
Have to start thinking about catching the Twins. ..
That and hope for an epic healthy streak.
Those guys are not going to maintain these levels of production all year.
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I'd rather see the Twinkies put 17 runs up on them.
Have to start thinking about catching the Twins. ..
Nah man it's the Division first for me. If we catch the Twins by the end of the year that'll be great. If not it'll only take one win up there to take the home field advantage they worked for all year, back to the Bronx.
Let's get the Divison and not worry about the damned one and done WC, and then go from there.
No doubt Del, it's just for me the Division has to be their first priority. Let's get that and we'll see where we are with the rest after that.
Guy doesn't want home runs... he just wants singles and doubles. And until Stanton does that, he thinks it's fine to boo him - even this soon. But this same guy did NOT boo Gary Sanchez last year.
Then he says Stanton is "ARod 2.0" - brilliant.
There's no 2009 championship without ARod.
I have no idea how people even come up with these shit takes.
Just stop watching baseball if you hate home runs that much.
Anyway...
Glad we got the sweep today. Looks like we're out of that little mini slump. The Rays can be a pain in the ass, so even with their struggles @ YS, that was still a big series to take all 3 on.
Houston is going to be really tough. Would love to give them some payback after that nightmare series @ Minute Maid in April.
I want 3 of 4.
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we're 2.5 behind the Twins and 1.5 behind the Astros. If we keep playing well there's plenty of time to make that up and win the division along the way.
No doubt Del, it's just for me the Division has to be their first priority. Let's get that and we'll see where we are with the rest after that.
If the Yanks have the best record in baseball, they win the division and have homefield throughout. It is too early to worry about it now, but I agree that the Twinkies will cool off. They lead the AL in home runs for Pete's sake. How is that possible? 21 more than the Yankees....
Guy doesn't want home runs... he just wants singles and doubles. And until Stanton does that, he thinks it's fine to boo him - even this soon. But this same guy did NOT boo Gary Sanchez last year.
Then he says Stanton is "ARod 2.0" - brilliant.
There's no 2009 championship without ARod.
I have no idea how people even come up with these shit takes.
Just stop watching baseball if you hate home runs that much.
Anyway...
Glad we got the sweep today. Looks like we're out of that little mini slump. The Rays can be a pain in the ass, so even with their struggles @ YS, that was still a big series to take all 3 on.
Houston is going to be really tough. Would love to give them some payback after that nightmare series @ Minute Maid in April.
I want 3 of 4.
I left on YES and some of these callers to Kay are brutal. He is slamming on the anti-Stanton crowd and deservedly so. Telling them "stop following the game" lol. I've never listened to his radio gig so I didn't realize he is so outspoken.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Re Clint, this is the second immature thing he has done. I usually excuse immaturity, especially by young players, but this is beginning to irritate me. It's his own damn fault that he looked lost in the outfield, paving the way for Maybin/Tauchman to steal his job. (And he likely would have eventually been sent down anyway considering Gardner wasn't going anywhere.
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1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
So that was basically fake news? Sad!
I mean, he does have the right, so I was probably a bit too harsh.
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1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
So that was basically fake news? Sad!
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Frazier is there at SWB and will be on the bench tonight available to PH. Will start tomorrow. (Just read it in the Ledger).
So that was basically fake news? Sad!
No the news was true, he took his 72 hrs (actually less) to report as per union rules. Kind of a BS move, but it was his "right" to do so.
But no Beerman was correct and I had just read that he reported about 15 minutes before I read his post.
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1. Monty's return to NY from Tommy John had a set-back, he was shut down due to shoulder discomfort and is being flown to NY for an MRI.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Re Clint, this is the second immature thing he has done. I usually excuse immaturity, especially by young players, but this is beginning to irritate me. It's his own damn fault that he looked lost in the outfield, paving the way for Maybin/Tauchman to steal his job. (And he likely would have eventually been sent down anyway considering Gardner wasn't going anywhere.
but he deserves to make his own statement without breaking the rules.
I agree. Think about what's he done this year at the plate despite missing virtually all of last season, and even part of this season.
I daresay we'll regret it if they trade him. I'd much rather they trade Florial because his K rate and iffy contact scares me.
I agree. Think about what's he done this year at the plate despite missing virtually all of last season, and even part of this season.
I daresay we'll regret it if they trade him. I'd much rather they trade Florial because his K rate and iffy contact scares me.
2. As of yesterday, Clint Frazier still had not reported to SWB and has scrubbed his Twitter page. The team sound surprised, but the rules are that he has 72 hours to report. Sounds like he is taking the demotion hard.
3. Judge has hit well in his last two games for SWB.
Not sure why they said that. Judge has 1 hit in his last 2 games. But it was a home run.
1) Normally not the recent version of the Yankees to leak much of what goes on in the clubhouse other then who is a good fit/leader/glue.
2) Could be media
3) Could be Yankees ( remember the manipulative and political Levine office cant help generate negative attention to demonstrate to the bosses he has to watch the assets ( asshole)) paving the way for trading him? beats me. The Giants do that chickenshit. So do many other sports and entertainment based industries (the talent is hard to work with is a go to trope for the suits).
4) Could be true and it could be that the Yankees care about culture fit enough to shorten their patience. Could be they know Frazier did not ever work hard on his defense...I have no idea.
Could be we should not expect great maturity from every 24 year old who is under pressure.
All I do know it that there are whiffs of smoke where there were none before. I get the offense was great until May, slipped in May and picked up lately. I also know that he is as a matter of fact a very below average defender and seemed to be accumulating Knoblauch like yips.
We may root for him and his potential, but he is a flawed player at this time. And the Yankees have much more data and greater insight into his future than we do
Position player loaded and pitching needy until a new wave of arms and injuries heals (I don't know what everyone else sees, but Severino and Betances are shut down with the kind of injuries that only rest will heal and rapid return of torque will lose a career) the Yankee fan is bound to lose via trade a fan favorite sooner or later.
We are going to have to take risks or depend on flashes to heal a starting rotation with three slots than can be improved and a bullpen one short of plan.
Pitchers are the most expensive commodity. Its hard to see how the Yankees will not have to part with a guy or guys we like and who could make noise in MLB. Could that be Andujar? Frazier? Estrada? Florial? Didi? Garcia? Loisiga? German? Stanton? Yes, it could. Can a case be made to keep each and everyone of those names? Yes it can
The Astros, Dodgers, Braves are not going anywhere and all are poised to field tremendous teams for a decade. Several other teams could get hot and stop the Yankees on the path to the WS (Sox, Twins).
Cashman has built a team and won many a trade. It gets harder to overwhelmingly win the remaining building blocks. Especially if the owners want some kind of fiscal discipline.
Its not going to be a mistake to trade some fan favorites, its going to not be so one sided to trade them for the next blocks on the pyramid. Our minor leagues are loaded with high risk/high reward 2 years away players. As it should be for a team who wants to be elite for a decade. For right now, we cant project many of the talents in the minor leagues and neither can other teams without wide risk reward probabilities.
Watching good players like Frazier get squeezed out is going to happen over the next two years. So are surprises that meet the moment for the Yankees are smart ( Urshela, Maybin, German) and injuries will happen.
Remember that if Stanton and Judge did not get injured, Frazier would have spent the year to date in the minors working on defense and getting over his concussion...and we would only mention him when Gardy had a bad day at the plate.
Baseball fans who go up and down with the ups and downs of baseball wont have a lot of fun watching a team constructed like the Yankees are at this time.
They can afford to be simultaneously very picky and impatient at some positions ( Catcher bullpen and OF) so small flaws and development time is not available for some players and are very needy at others. Fair does not fall evenly for each player.
imo
Like most said, I hope they can hold him because he is Gardner's replacement. If Cash and Boone directed Bell to play him exclusively at LF and CF that is because they want him to take Gardy's spot, that is exactly where Gardy plays and they will need somebody to backup Hicks a couple days per week next year. Right now it would have to be Judge.
You are right, some 24 year olds are not mature (let's say not MLB savvy in this case). I like the fire in his belly. He just shows it the wrong way.
He may very well be traded for a pitcher. But it won't happen until Sevy gets closer to playing. If Sevy has a set back, the chances rise that he is traded. If Sevy completes his rehab and returns, I'd have to believe that his chances of being part of a trade drop precipitously.
I hope he keeps his head in the game, digs deep and works on his OF play. And I hope they don't need to trade him.
He's always been described as fiery, and that's usually a double-edged sword, because while it shows grit and determination when things are going well, it can get reversed when things go poorly.
It is a more prominent example, but you'll likely see something similar with Baker Mayfield. All of that fire will be looked at as awesome if the Browns are winning, and it will be looked at as divisive if they start losing.
He's always been described as fiery, and that's usually a double-edged sword, because while it shows grit and determination when things are going well, it can get reversed when things go poorly.
It is a more prominent example, but you'll likely see something similar with Baker Mayfield. All of that fire will be looked at as awesome if the Browns are winning, and it will be looked at as divisive if they start losing.
Ok, guess I just dismissed or ignored most of it. At least Hal is sticking up for him.
His "fire" has almost always been described positively. Not sure why it is getting turned on him now. Could be reporters seeding things because of being snubbed - could be a way to sway public opinion to set up a trade.
I too am glad Hal is sticking up for him.
I'm pretty sure that's it, whiny petulant bitches that they are.
And honestly, although I can see his side, sorry, that is not major league defense at all and his hitting is not DH level for any playoff spot contender either. A chance to work on defense re positions him for millions.
For all we know the Yankees know he did not work on it at the level guys like Voit or Andujar or Judge did to try to maximize their impact as players. OR its concussion related.
As for Levine, you can assume he sneaks in ways to tarnish Cashman every chance he gets. Small man in a job that's smaller once the deals are completed for the family. He is a Steinbrenner family valuation optimizer and deal developer ( via old cronies/actual value added work done by Goldman)...just stashed on the Yankee payroll. I no longer remember which media writers he works through those the ones I read were new writers to my eyes
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Could be reporters seeding things because of being snubbed
I'm pretty sure that's it, whiny petulant bitches that they are.
Would not surprise me in the least...
Gosh, I thought Levine was gone. POS, backstabbing and useless. We laughed about "pictures" where in concerned Quinn with the Giants and the Maras.....
There is so much we do not know.
For example, did he have trouble with sliders or change ups and if was only a matter of time that the next book on how to pitch to him was out? Do they think his May is more the mean and June had some pitchers or data anomalies he is not likely to see again against good teams? Did average exit velocity go down even though batting average went up?
They can dive so much deeper into all these items. My points are that:
1) Someone who looks really good to us is a greater or lesser risk up or down for reasons we never know (Montero).
2) As compared to two years ago when the emergence of Severino, Judge and Sanchez jumped us into a level of elite teams a year sooner then expected, flaws and time to improve that were acceptable 2 years ago are more risky/less patient heading into 2020.
Its normally reasonable to second guess FO decisions when teams are not so good on talent and decision history ( the recent NY Giants) but it gets harder to know enough as you climb the ladder to competing with the top four franchises
move him for a good starting pitcher with team control
beyond this season. Aka, not a rental.
Some of the concerns when they first acquired him I read about, were that he tends to hold onto things, or pays to
much attention to the 'white noise'. Whether you believe
it or not, he did give a glimpse of that when he finally spoke after ignoring the media after his tough night in the field.
He was talking about things from two years ago, his hair being one of them,
I guess the other was the uniform number thing, (that was really on Georgie Girl).
The point is, as a young player, you have to let that stuff go, you can't hold onto to that stuff in this market.
I understand he's frustrated; he has the right to be. But, there are just things in the way he handles himself that seem to not really fit in here and I'm sure despite things that are said publicly, this isn't lost on the front office.
While I wouldn't want to see him dealt for anything less than full value, I do think he's going to be the first guy teams ask about and odds are, Cashman won't be totally against including him in a deal for pitching.
I think to get someone worth a damn, he's probably going to be in there. If we go for something closer to a Happ-esque deal, obviously we'd be able to dip a tier or two lower in terms of cost - but if you're talking about bigger guns like Bumgarner, Scherzer, or even Stroman... I think it might be tough to move those teams off Frazier. Stroman you could probably manage to avoid sending him with the right combo of other pieces... not sure about the other guys, though.
I don't know. It just doesn't feel like he's long for the Yankees. But that's just a gut feeling. If he sticks around and performs here, great. But he's certainly got a bit of maturing to do.