Vanderbilt guard Darius Garland had his workout with the Knicks today, but New York remains locked on selecting Dukes RJ Barrett with the NBA Drafts third overall pick on Thursday, league sources tell ESPN.
So it looks like we already know the top 3.
1. Zion
2. Ja Morant
3. RJ Barrett
Does Frank get traded today for an additional second?
If the Knicks do prefer Garland... which I wouldn't
But if they do... they should work on a swap with New Orleans at 4. Maybe take on Brandon Ingram and/or some of those Lakers future first rounders to go back one spot.
Says the Pelicans are trying to move up to 2 to take Barrett.
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@PeterVecsey1: NOLA, Im told, is assembling assets in all out effort to leapfrog Knicks into second slot in order to snare RJ Barrett. Obviously, Pels are offering Grizz No 4 pick as part payment. No pity parties planned. NY would land Morant or Garland. Memphis would pluck point that drops...
Says the Pelicans are trying to move up to 2 to take Barrett.
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@PeterVecsey1: NOLA, Im told, is assembling assets in all out effort to leapfrog Knicks into second slot in order to snare RJ Barrett. Obviously, Pels are offering Grizz No 4 pick as part payment. No pity parties planned. NY would land Morant or Garland. Memphis would pluck point that drops...
On players before the draft. Do the knicks know how morant surgery went? Do their doctors get to review all of that? I have a strong feeling pelicans will move up and knicks will take garland over morant
On players before the draft. Do the knicks know how morant surgery went? Do their doctors get to review all of that? I have a strong feeling pelicans will move up and knicks will take garland over morant
The Knicks supposedly love Morant. If the rumors about Durant are true then Morant's surgery isn't scaring them off. Can't think of much worse inniries than an achilles injury to an older player.
That would seem a simpler solution for all if they want RJ. Perhaps they tried and it didn't come off? Seems unlikely with every other possible scenario being rumored.
RE: Strange we didn't hear the pelicans tried to move from 4 to 3
That would seem a simpler solution for all if they want RJ. Perhaps they tried and it didn't come off? Seems unlikely with every other possible scenario being rumored.
Maybe Perry declined and is hoping they leapfrog us to 2 so he gets Morant?
'hoping they leapfrog us to 2 so he gets Morant?'...
Works for me. I'll be happy as long as we get RJ/Morant at 3 or Garland plus serious assets at #4.
Same here, either of those scenerios is A okay with me. That and try to acquire a 2md round pick or two. Bunch of teams have multiple second rounders that they may want to move for cash
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
I'm wondering how this draft turns out. While some won't agree, I
trying to move up. That said we also heard they could trade the 4th pick for a vet, so as usual the reports are all over the place.
Im fine with Morant but i dont see this happening. Unless NO is willing to include next years first unprotected i wouldnt be interested in moving from Morant/Barrett to Garland/Culver.
Anything we heard today about the top 3 picks is going to be reporters trying to keep people interested despite knowings we are 99% sure we know how the top 3 is going to go
RE: RE: are we really taking peter vescey seriously?
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Is whether they use any of their cap space today to pick up an extra first or two. There are a number of teams willing to trade picks to get below the tax level including Miami and Oklahoma.
If they cant sign two stars, they should use all that cap space for additional picks either this year or the future.
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
RE: RE: RE: RE: are we really taking peter vescey seriously?
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
RE: RE: RE: are we really taking peter vescey seriously?
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
16, why couldn't the Grizz trade Conley and move to #4 knowing they're getting Morant or Garland?
Because they have been locked in on morant since the lottery
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
If you don't think the Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate/friend and a better player then what they'd get at 4 I don't know what to tell you.
Knicks locked in on barrett and have been since the lottery...
Also Jalen Rose and Jay Williams say do not count out the knicks in free agency both thjnk durant to knicks is still on the table and then after that players will follow..
Nobody is saying the trade is going to happen. They may very well be locked in on Morant. Does that mean the Pelicans can't make an offer? No it doesn't. So Idk why you're trying so hard to shoot it down.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: are we really taking peter vescey seriously?
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
If you don't think the Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate/friend and a better player then what they'd get at 4 I don't know what to tell you.
If you dont think peter vescey tweeted thos to troll knicks fans and get attention i dont know what to tell you..
I will guarantee no matter ehat the pelicans offer memphis is not trading down..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: are we really taking peter vescey seriously?
Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
If you don't think the Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate/friend and a better player then what they'd get at 4 I don't know what to tell you.
If you dont think peter vescey tweeted thos to troll knicks fans and get attention i dont know what to tell you..
I will guarantee no matter ehat the pelicans offer memphis is not trading down..
Once again nobody said Memphis was trading down. Holy shit.
Nobody is saying the trade is going to happen. They may very well be locked in on Morant. Does that mean the Pelicans can't make an offer? No it doesn't. So Idk why you're trying so hard to shoot it down.
my problem with the tweet is it is a nothing tweet meant to rile up knicks fans. After evwryone says the knicks are taking Barrett, he comes out with this tweet....
He makes it seem like the pelicans have a shot of doing this, when in reality there is zero chance, writers can tweet something like this over and over again
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Boston has offered center Aron Baynes -- $5.4M expiring contract -- into salary cap space elsewhere, league sources tell ESPN. Without Kyrie Irving and Al Horford on the books, moving Baynes without taking back salary could get the Celtics to $23M in space.
Not sure what they are giving. Their worst 1st round is 22nd and i cant see them moving that to move an expiring guy making 5 mill. And there second rounder is in the 50's which doesnt seem like enough.
but you arent getting the 4th pick for DSJ and some future picks. You would have to offer a handful of unprotected picks and even then im not sure NO does it. They want to win soon. Also i dont want to trade a bunch of unprotected picks for Garland/Culver.
I really believe that Barrett's game is much more suited
to the NBA than what he played at Duke. I think he will be a very good NBA player, but if you're the Knicks, you've got to listen to what the Pels have to offer. Getting an extra pick to move one spot isn't the worst haul.
I don't see Memphis passing on Morant, especially after dealing Conley. NO would have to blow them out of the water.
1) Knicks getting 2 Top 4 Picks - Besides the fact the Knicks don't have the assets, there is no love loss between Griffin and the Knicks
2) Knicks taking on salary tonight for draft picks, they actually might want to clear more salary with Frenchie. They still want to be all in on free agency, post free agency, possibly they take on salary for assets to help other teams clear cap space.
The comments from Jay Williams were very positive this morning. These comments along with his harsh criticism of the Warriors really makes me think Durant is headed to the Knicks.
But does he want all that pressure coming back from an Achilles injury? Tough call but if I had to bet today Id say hes signing with the Knicks.
The comments from Jay Williams were very positive this morning. These comments along with his harsh criticism of the Warriors really makes me think Durant is headed to the Knicks.
But does he want all that pressure coming back from an Achilles injury? Tough call but if I had to bet today Id say hes signing with the Knicks.
plus all of the reports comingnout now that the nets do not want irving by himself
end up with KD and Kyrie when all is said and done. And how well that works would depend on how KD comes back. I mean we would obviously be a better team next season with Kyrie, some good vets im guessing, and Barrett. We def contend for a playoff spot, but thats prolly it. That said if RJ is legit, Mitch/Knox take positive steps and KD comes back at 80% of KD or better then we would be damn good the following season and still have a lot of assets moving forward.
The comments from Jay Williams were very positive this morning. These comments along with his harsh criticism of the Warriors really makes me think Durant is headed to the Knicks.
But does he want all that pressure coming back from an Achilles injury? Tough call but if I had to bet today Id say hes signing with the Knicks.
What did he say?
this could be the Nets just trying to save face....
but this also could be a mutual thing between the Nets and Kyrie. Nets only wanted Kyrie if he came with another star and Kyrie only wanted the Nets if he could bring another star.
He basically just said dont count out the knicks on these guys...
1 Knicks trade # 3 and Kevin Knox to NEP for # 4 and Brandon Ingram
NYK takes Garland at 4 after NEP gets Barrett to team with Zion.
2 Trade Frank Ntilikina to the Spurs for pick 29
NYK roster might look something like this:
Guards: Malcolm Brogdon (FA, 4 years at 16mm per year) DSJ, Darius Garland at 4, Kadeem Allen, Allonzo Trier, John Jenkins
Forwards: Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (FA, 4 years at 18mm per year), Damyean Dotson, Noah Vonleh (FA, 3 years at 5mm per year) and two drafted under the radar guys I like --Dylan Windler at 29 (sharp shooting wing), Talen Horton-Tucker at 55
Bigs: Mitchell Robinson, Willie Cauley-Stein (FA, 3 years at 8mm per year), Luke Kornet
Reasoning: Ingram and Randle will lead the team in scoring. Both can facilitate along with their scoring talent. Defensively, its a solid combo especially with all that length (Robinson, Cauley-Stein, Vonleh) behind them. Brogdon...simply, is a winner. He defends exceptionally well and always does the right thing. Garland to me, has star talent. His shot is downright beautiful and has great speed and a Steph Curry like handle. This is a team that is young and is loaded with length, defense, intelligent non-primadonna players.
The hope was obviously a healthy KD + Kyrie. I would still sign KD but if it doesn't turn out this way I like a young team like I have described here with plenty of "dry powder" in the form of cap room to make a trade when the opportunity presents itself (Bradley Beal?).
If hes the difference between getting a high priced free agent, then trade him. But, every team needs a guy that could play high quality defense. He was clearly overdrafted but his defense is worth more than a 2nd pick and this team does not have enough players who play defense even close to his level. You can always buy a 2nd round pick. His attitude is good and hes still s kid. I hope they keep him.
At all. Before taking on salary we have to make sure we dont need space. Make our pick, see how FA goes, take a step back and customize your plan on 7/10 going forward.
RE: this could be the Nets just trying to save face....
but this also could be a mutual thing between the Nets and Kyrie. Nets only wanted Kyrie if he came with another star and Kyrie only wanted the Nets if he could bring another star.
this is just a guess, but I think the Kyrie stuff has been more from his side than the nets FO (who haven't leaked at all over the last 3 years). I don't think they'd take it lightly to just let DLo walk after putting 2 years of development into him as their face of the franchise, him leading them to the playoffs ahead of schedule, and making an all star game.
Leonard seems set on the Clippers which makes sense, with maybe the Raptors clinging to an outside shot of keeping him. KD is the big unknown now post injury. Who is still willing to max him? Does he even actually care about playing with Irving?
As a Net fan, Horford and Harris are the 2 most intriguing fits out there though you obviously have to listen if KD is a possibility (especially if O'malley says he'll be good to go).
RE: RE: this could be the Nets just trying to save face....
but this also could be a mutual thing between the Nets and Kyrie. Nets only wanted Kyrie if he came with another star and Kyrie only wanted the Nets if he could bring another star.
this is just a guess, but I think the Kyrie stuff has been more from his side than the nets FO (who haven't leaked at all over the last 3 years). I don't think they'd take it lightly to just let DLo walk after putting 2 years of development into him as their face of the franchise, him leading them to the playoffs ahead of schedule, and making an all star game.
Leonard seems set on the Clippers which makes sense, with maybe the Raptors clinging to an outside shot of keeping him. KD is the big unknown now post injury. Who is still willing to max him? Does he even actually care about playing with Irving?
As a Net fan, Horford and Harris are the 2 most intriguing fits out there though you obviously have to listen if KD is a possibility (especially if O'malley says he'll be good to go).
woj is known for being a mouthpiece for the nets, he is the one who started this saying the nets thinking is they do not want kyrie by himself and would just stick with deangelo...
You think Kyrie would leak all the interest in the nets?
1) Knicks getting 2 Top 4 Picks - Besides the fact the Knicks don't have the assets, there is no love loss between Griffin and the Knicks
2) Knicks taking on salary tonight for draft picks, they actually might want to clear more salary with Frenchie. They still want to be all in on free agency, post free agency, possibly they take on salary for assets to help other teams clear cap space.
re 2: why would other teams want to clear cap space, post free agency?
Most of the Kyrie stuff started from non-Woj sources
Cowherd, Steven A Smith, etc. Woj backed up the reporting eventually that the Nets were considering Irving but that they were also aiming for the "big fish". Here was Woj's main tweet after breaking the Crabbe trade:
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Kyrie Irving is serious about the Nets -- and the Nets are serious about beating the Knicks -- and rest of league -- to the biggest free agents in the marketplace, per league sources.
I think Kyrie has always been in the mix for the Nets but never been their top priority. Which logically makes sense because he's obviously not the best FA available - especially given their needs. After KD's injury there has been mixed reporting around whether the Nets would sign Irving to pair him with DLo, or let DLo walk, and now full circle that they may not be interested in him at all. Like I said, even beyond KD/Leonard, I think Harris and Horford are just better fits for what they need - and each has strong connections to Atkinson.
Duke star RJ Barrett has said for weeks his hope is to play for the Knicks. On the eve of the NBA draft, he explained one more reason why.
It would mean a lot, Barrett said during Wednesdays draft press conference. My late grandfather, rest in peace, he was the biggest Knicks fan. He always told me Id play for the Knicks. So it would mean a lot for me to play for the team.
Though he is Canadian, Barretts mother, Kesha, is from Brooklyn. His father, Rowan, played for St. Johns and hes visited relatives in Brooklyn plenty, calling New York like home.
First it is Kyrie is coming to the nets and it is done deal and the nets dont really want to keep russell and are going to let him walk...
Now reports are well the nets do not want him by himself, so the nets really didnt want hkm anyway...
i mean come on, nets fans on here were sayomg how much it made sense, even by himself...
what i want to know why all of sudden is it leaking that neta dont want him by himself
you're equating what random fans on a message board said to what's been reported by Woj. Like I said, Woj never said the Nets and Irving were a done deal or that he was the Nets top priority - he consistently said Irving was focused on the Nets. Here's another quote from his article 2 days ago.
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Irving, a six-time All-Star, will become an unrestricted free agent, and league sources say he remains intensely interested in the Brooklyn Nets. The New York Knicks are expected to remain competitive for Irving, too, sources told ESPN.
The Nets and Knicks have both hoped to sign Irving and Kevin Durant together into max salary slots. Durant's free agency has been complicated by a ruptured right Achilles tendon that is expected to keep him out of the entire 2019-20 season. The Knicks and Nets are both still interested in signing Durant and Irving together, league sources said.
and for the record most Net fans are split on Irving vs. Russell. None of us want to lose Russell for nothing. The reporting on whether the Nets would be interested in pairing the 2 of them or not has been all over the map and I haven't seen anything definitive in that regard from Shams or Woj. Sources: Kyrie splits with agent, eyes Roc Nation - ( New Window )
like it has not been presented by multiple people that kyrie to nets was considered a done deal? and not one mention was that another player has to come with him for the nets to sign him..
and i got killed by mutiple nets fans on this site after i said kyrie to the nets by himself makes no sense for the nets and didnt seem like a current regime move for tbe nets..
never once said in his reporting of the interest that the caveat would be that another guy comes, it was always irving wants the nets and would try to bring kd with him BUT irving wants to go to the nets...
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Expectation is Knicks draft R.J. Barrett if hes available, but some in Knicks organization view Garland as having brighter future
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Expectation is Knicks draft R.J. Barrett if hes available, but some in Knicks organization view Garland as having brighter future
I get that some people get caught up in "ceiling" and "potential" but the Knicks can not Frank this pick. Take RJ and don't look back
like it has not been presented by multiple people that kyrie to nets was considered a done deal? and not one mention was that another player has to come with him for the nets to sign him..
and i got killed by mutiple nets fans on this site after i said kyrie to the nets by himself makes no sense for the nets and didnt seem like a current regime move for tbe nets..
If multiple people doesnt include shams or woj (aka nets mouthpiece) who gives a shit? 99% of message boards (and SAS) is nonsense that doesnt happen.
on the narrative that all news reporting on the knicks has a negative axe and on the nets has a positive axe.
and because of that, get a bit excitable....
every kyrie discussion on the internet has been nets were the favorite but nothing is certain.
discussions about kyrie alone were mainly saying... well you have to max a PG so may as well get the better one.... though every nets fan in general in the end wants a combination of a PG and some form of improved 4 that can shoot. is really all we care... whether its Dlo, kyrie whichever.
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Bondy has no sources in the Knicks organization, he is just being a shrill. Woj reported today the Knicks have been locked in on Barrett since the lottery. Barrett should be the pick. Garland could be a great player, but Barrett is too good to pass up for the chance that Garland might be great, not enough of a sample size. It is different then when Kyrie was drafted as he was worth the risk as that draft did not have much in the way of talent.
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Bondy has no sources in the Knicks organization, he is just being a shrill. Woj reported today the Knicks have been locked in on Barrett since the lottery. Barrett should be the pick. Garland could be a great player, but Barrett is too good to pass up for the chance that Garland might be great, not enough of a sample size. It is different then when Kyrie was drafted as he was worth the risk as that draft did not have much in the way of talent.
Just Bondy setting up an article for after the draft how the knicms were split on garland and barrett..
1 Knicks trade # 3 and Kevin Knox to NEP for # 4 and Brandon Ingram
NYK takes Garland at 4 after NEP gets Barrett to team with Zion.
2 Trade Frank Ntilikina to the Spurs for pick 29
NYK roster might look something like this:
Guards: Malcolm Brogdon (FA, 4 years at 16mm per year) DSJ, Darius Garland at 4, Kadeem Allen, Allonzo Trier, John Jenkins
Forwards: Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (FA, 4 years at 18mm per year), Damyean Dotson, Noah Vonleh (FA, 3 years at 5mm per year) and two drafted under the radar guys I like --Dylan Windler at 29 (sharp shooting wing), Talen Horton-Tucker at 55
Bigs: Mitchell Robinson, Willie Cauley-Stein (FA, 3 years at 8mm per year), Luke Kornet
Reasoning: Ingram and Randle will lead the team in scoring. Both can facilitate along with their scoring talent. Defensively, its a solid combo especially with all that length (Robinson, Cauley-Stein, Vonleh) behind them. Brogdon...simply, is a winner. He defends exceptionally well and always does the right thing. Garland to me, has star talent. His shot is downright beautiful and has great speed and a Steph Curry like handle. This is a team that is young and is loaded with length, defense, intelligent non-primadonna players.
The hope was obviously a healthy KD + Kyrie. I would still sign KD but if it doesn't turn out this way I like a young team like I have described here with plenty of "dry powder" in the form of cap room to make a trade when the opportunity presents itself (Bradley Beal?).
Just my opinion but this would be a disastrous offseason. The only player I like here is Brodgon but 4/64 is a steep price for him.
to gauge what other FA's they could possibly get with him. Maybe now they've heard that it's unlikely that KD or Kawhi comes too with Kyrie hence the backtracking.
Also, Colby White working out for the Knicks today. Very surprising.
These last minute workouts are definitely intriguing. If NOLA offers an unprotected #1 next year to move up one spot, they have to think about it, especially if they like White or Garland. I still think at 3, they stick with RJ.
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UNC guard Coby White -- perhaps the fastest rising prospect on the board -- had a private workout with the Knicks at team's facility today, league sources tell ESPN. Knicks have been locked on RJ Barrett at No. 3, but summoned White after Darius Garland's workout yesterday.
The Bucks are very likely going to match any offer on Brogs that isn't a big overpay. No one would be happier to see him on the Knicks than me, but I can't see it happening.
RE: Feels like the Knicks are scrambling a bit here.
and have an offer out for the 3rd pick? Would make sense that the Knicks would want to be able to do their due diligence before agreeing to anything in that scenario.
Interesting that the late focus is on the PGs though, what does that say for Dennis Smith Jr? I know they have worked out Culver, but I don't remember anything about workouts with Reddish or Hunter who you would think would also be in the mix if we moved down.
next years unprotected first. I dont want the Lakers picks in 2023 or NO pick in the next two drafts top 5 protected. I think this is the Knicks just covering all their bases and being prepared, what a novel idea.
RE: Maybe the Pelicans are making a hard push for Barrett
and have an offer out for the 3rd pick? Would make sense that the Knicks would want to be able to do their due diligence before agreeing to anything in that scenario.
Interesting that the late focus is on the PGs though, what does that say for Dennis Smith Jr? I know they have worked out Culver, but I don't remember anything about workouts with Reddish or Hunter who you would think would also be in the mix if we moved down.
The Knicks met and worked out Reddish but not Hunter.
would have to trade next years unprotected pick and something better then DSJ. And if im the knicks im not trading any unprotected picks. I could see a team like ATL be willing to move one of their two picks for some future assets but again im not sure i want to trade future assets. Plus all the guys we have met with are prolly gone by 8 except Cam.
RE: If the Knicks do prefer Garland... which I wouldn't
But if they do... they should work on a swap with New Orleans at 4. Maybe take on Brandon Ingram and/or some of those Lakers future first rounders to go back one spot.
If they move back to 4 or 5 and pick up a future 1st, I wouldnt be opposed. Im really high on Culver though.
Would you do a similar trade as the Mavs/ Hawks deal? Cavs trade 5th overall for the 3rd but include a top 5 protected 2020 1st that loses protections each year.
It all depends on how you view the difference in Barrett and Garland/Culver, but I would probably do it. Knicks would be loaded with picks moving forward. But if they view Barrett as a franchise player, you stand pat.
but trading out of the top 3 seems like a huge boneheaded move. The NBA draft is not like the NFL draft. Acquiring more picks is most likely not a good thing.
end up with KD and Kyrie when all is said and done. And how well that works would depend on how KD comes back. I mean we would obviously be a better team next season with Kyrie, some good vets im guessing, and Barrett. We def contend for a playoff spot, but thats prolly it. That said if RJ is legit, Mitch/Knox take positive steps and KD comes back at 80% of KD or better then we would be damn good the following season and still have a lot of assets moving forward.
I feel the same way. I think kyrie is coming to the Knicks and I dont blame the Knicks one bit. Hed be the first legit PG weve had in years.
Unless you get Kawhi, it's a legit risk to take. Obviously a risk but a reasonable enough swing for the fences
For some reason, there's now word about a KD sign & trade. Not sure WTF that is about, but a couple articles discussing it (not sure if it's mentioned above)
There's also a short list of NBA rumors at the bottom
It was Windhorst who said it's being discussed on TV earlier. The idea would be KD gets the 5th year which may be quite important to him given the injury and could rehab for a year with the Warriors and then they'd work with him to trade him to where he'd like to go. He called it a "delayed sign and trade".
but that's why I'm confused hearing about it now (if at all legit of course). I feel like these days S&Ts are rare, but if it was possible why was it never even mentioned prior to today
We can say F that, but it's not NYK's call. And getting something back makes sense for GSW, and the $ for KD clearly
saw a writer tweet yesterday that he thinks it's going to ultimately have a trickle down effect that changes the plans for almost 10 teams and 20 other players whose strategies had to shift. Horford opting and seeming to be out of boston seems like it was a pretty unexpected shakeup too.
how would KD know where he wants to go is still an option? Are the knicks supposed to work this out with the Warriors so they keep their capspace open? What happens if the GSW's change their mind and decide they dont want to trade him? Or the knicks decide his rehab is going bad and they dont want him.
Would be a reach at the third pick.
He is an explosive athlete that can shoot the 3 and push the pace.
I would take D'Angelo Russell over Kyrie if I am the Knicks.
I hope Nets go Kyrie and leave Russell out there for the Knicks to grab him.
Move DSJ for picks and let Frank back him up.
KD and Russell would be a nice off-season.
Reading the tea leaves from the tidbits from today, Durant is not interested in Brooklyn. The Nets either don't want Kyrie without KD or the other way around and KD to the Knicks might be this delayed sign n trade. Just another day of free agency rumors.
That strikes me as fairly useless to them. They're not going to keep four 2nd-round rookies. I expect them to make a move.
The Knicks would be a potential trading partner for early 2nd round, no?
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32. Phoenix 33. Philadelphia (from Cleveland via Orlando and New York)
34. Philadelphia (from Chicago via Los Angeles Lakers)
35. Atlanta
36. Charlotte (from Washington via Orlando, Denver and Atlanta)
37. Dallas
38. Chicago (from Memphis)
39. New Orleans
40. Sacramento (from Minnesota via Portland and Cleveland)
41. Atlanta (from Los Angeles Lakers via Cleveland and Indiana) 42. Philadelphia (from Sacramento via Brooklyn and Milwaukee)
43. Minnesota (from Miami via Charlotte)
44. Atlanta (from Charlotte)
45. Detroit
46. Orlando (from Brooklyn via Memphis and Charlotte)
47. Sacramento (from Orlando via New York)
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio
50. Indiana
51. Boston
52. Charlotte (from Oklahoma City)
53. Utah 54. Philadelphia
55. New York (from Houston)
56. LA Clippers (from Portland via Detroit and Orlando)
57. New Orleans (from Denver via Milwaukee)
58. Golden State
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento (from Milwaukee)
and Kawhi is legitimately interested in New York. Knicks will only offer max contracts to KD, Kawhi and Kyrie, and are willing to rebuild slowly if necessary. Pretty much what we've heard all along, but encouraging nonetheless. Also, RJ is the pick barring something crazy, but they'd be thrilled to take Ja at #3 if someone jumps ahead for RJ.
If KD and Golden State are going to ask for a sign and trade
for KD, I really hope the Knicks tell them to take a hike. That would be monumentally stupid. If KD wants the extra money, then he can resign with the Warriors.
Would be a reach at the third pick.
He is an explosive athlete that can shoot the 3 and push the pace.
I would take D'Angelo Russell over Kyrie if I am the Knicks.
I hope Nets go Kyrie and leave Russell out there for the Knicks to grab him.
Move DSJ for picks and let Frank back him up.
KD and Russell would be a nice off-season.
I take it you havent seen Coby White play very much.
He is a point guard or a 2 in the NBA. Zero chance he plays the 3
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for KD, I really hope the Knicks tell them to take a hike. That would be monumentally stupid. If KD wants the extra money, then he can resign with the Warriors.
I dont see the point of this. Just hold on to him and hope for serious improvement. Hes still only 2 years away from being a top 10 pick. His value couldnt be any lower- why sell now?
I always get carried away with draft day fantasies.
I dont see the point of this. Just hold on to him and hope for serious improvement. Hes still only 2 years away from being a top 10 pick. His value couldnt be any lower- why sell now?
I think it's a cap thing. He's due to make a little under $5M this year. They'd save the money they used picking up Trier's option by replacing that with a second round pick. They're also not all that pleased with his attitude and work ethic.
RE: Cavs have Sexton so they wouldn't want Smith Jr.
Can't imagine there's a match there unless it's - gasp - Mitch.
Knox and a protected first? I have no idea what kind of value Knox has but he was considered a top 10-12 pick in a draft thought to be stronger in the 5-12 range than this year's.
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i would love a chance at bazley
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involving those teams that included Turner, but it wasn't based on any inside info. I wonder if Dickie V. saw it on the Twitter and thought it was legit.
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involving those teams that included Turner, but it wasn't based on any inside info. I wonder if Dickie V. saw it on the Twitter and thought it was legit.
This is exactly what happened. Dickey V just got confused. Theres no deal.
pick and CLE probably wants Knox and something. I see no way we get the 5th without me feeling like we overpaid. Just take Barrett, try to trade Frank, and buy a couple seconds if we can.
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-Russell interested in BOS & NYK if he's out of BK (IncarceratedBob)
-Melo to LAL possible (Steve Kyler, bball insiders). Hahaha
-CP3 would like to be traded, would consider LAL. Still dreaming of team superfriends, tho they are not sure what LBJ thinks (SAS...)
-Maybe confirmation bias here, but still talk Kawhi to LAL is a no. And that NYK is in the conversation behind LAC & TOR. Not sure where that was but just good to continue to hear NYK on the list
we could come out of this with Garland and Barrett. Too bad i dont see a trade option that i think im going to like, ha. We dont have a later pick this year to give them so they woudl be trading out completely.
...Barrett plus either Garland/White without getting bent over on the compensation it will be a major coup and stepping stone to developing a competitive roster.
Can't imagine there's a match there unless it's - gasp - Mitch.
Doesnt matter if they have Sexton, because both of them can shoot and distribute, they can play off each other. Also theyd be in the same vein as Lillard and McCollum
just because of a PG pickup. You still need a backup, he still needs work but can fill that type of role w/ upside. No guarantees a draftee will be better (DSJ was a high pick not long ago himself). If I were CLE, why wouldn't I need a 2nd PG, even if certain about Sexton?
Also Kyrie's game would be a perfect influence on DSJ given both are more scoring PGs (save the J atm). And his development / early career experiences are pretty perfect for DSJ - staying in control, better decisions, playoffs, playing w/ superstars
Also tho they are close in value / current situation, potential upside
I'd rather keep DSJ than Frank. Been real disappointed Frank is supposed to be a great defender, yet outside of PnR success, he's been suspect. And awful on O. DSJ has been better than that at least
there must be someone, but were there any guys that did this in the past? Maybe Nash, Kidd, Stockton (I don't think I saw Jackson do that much). I don't know 80s and prior guys...
about how RJ's dad being an NYer brought him down to the blacktops during HS to toughen up his game. Dad was being interviewed said something like "He can't look over at his dad when he gets knocked down or after a bad play out there, just has to suck it up and play harder"
about how RJ's dad being an NYer brought him down to the blacktops during HS to toughen up his game. Dad was being interviewed said something like "He can't look over at his dad when he gets knocked down or after a bad play out there, just has to suck it up and play harder"
RJ is gonna be a stud, though. Quite happy we landed him.
Now let's land #5.
I think Hunter is the safest pick in the draft to be good, but Barrett has better upside. Higher floor or higher ceiling. Picking this high you have to make something happen. I like the pick.
but it's clear he had the most potential of anyone on the board (definitely not as much as Zion, maybe more than Ja). It really does come down to if his jumper improves or not, because the rest of his game is already set-up perfectly to thrive off of him having a strong jumper.
He's got that crafty lefty game down to a science already and he's what 19 years old? Very impressed by how crafty he is. Now he just needs to get stronger and get a jumper.
Seems like a solid kid too. Good move by the Knicks.
He's a building block for us. We need a lot more, of course, but at least we're doing it right now rather than trying for a quick fix and mortgaging our future. l
Even if you say 3-4 are the best of the best, Hunter, Culver, Garland, Clarke, Hachimura. And I'm by no means an NCAA guy so would guess there's more names to mention
How did that munchkin spike get in the building, he is bad
and fwiw sounds very Japanese culture (from my super limited knowledge)...
Was flabbergasted teammates would lie about fouls in pickup ball. Reminds me of an article about how after an earthquake, the people weren't looting and such, so the author was amazed
and fwiw sounds very Japanese culture (from my super limited knowledge)...
Was flabbergasted teammates would lie about fouls in pickup ball. Reminds me of an article about how after an earthquake, the people weren't looting and such, so the author was amazed
Pro than college player. His shooting stroke is perfect. All comes down to work ethic.
Yea he just looks like a shooter despite the mediocre freshman year. Will it happen, who knows? But I would not be shocked if he ended up scoring 20 in the pros.
We'd be damn competitive, although we'd still be searching for a reliable point guard.
KP situation sucked. Right pick, crappy ending. I think that possibility of what the team would have looked like from drafting & building says a lot too. But having pieces like KP, Mitch, Trier, RJ, Dot etc...it's a pretty nice base, and if a couple of those guys make the jump to stardom (KP was pretty much there too), how high is the ceiling? Aside from the right FAs from there
but it's clear he had the most potential of anyone on the board (definitely not as much as Zion, maybe more than Ja). It really does come down to if his jumper improves or not, because the rest of his game is already set-up perfectly to thrive off of him having a strong jumper.
He's got that crafty lefty game down to a science already and he's what 19 years old? Very impressed by how crafty he is. Now he just needs to get stronger and get a jumper.
Seems like a solid kid too. Good move by the Knicks.
I might be crazy but I think Barrett has a higher NBA ceiling than Zion. Zions college game revolved around beating up on a bunch of undersized or unskilled big men around the rim. He doesnt have any range shooting the ball. He doesnt have the build or athleticism to create like a Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi.
Barrett on the other hand just seems like one of those guys who ends up being a better pro than college player.
I might be crazy but I think Barrett has a higher NBA ceiling than Zion. Zions college game revolved around beating up on a bunch of undersized or unskilled big men around the rim. He doesnt have any range shooting the ball. He doesnt have the build or athleticism to create like a Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi.
Barrett on the other hand just seems like one of those guys who ends up being a better pro than college player.
Zion had a better percentage from 3 than Barrett did.
But re: Zion, he has a ton more bball skill than people seem to appreciate, in spite of being raw. Those full court bounce passes are pure vision & passing ability, at F no less. There's NBA PGs who don't do that. A big who can handle on the break, drive, and has fantastic body control near the rim, as well as hand eye coordination for double clutches & to protect the ball. Not a great shooter, sure, but he serviceable (where Mitch took all of 2 shots outside the paint or something)
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Lakers reportedly traded the #4 to New Orleans as part of the Davis trade, and then it was reported the Hawks traded for the that pick. Officially, the Lakers selected Hunter. So who, exactly, made that selection? Did the Hawks dictate the pick, etc.? Sounds a little risky to me. What if something happens and the trade falls through? I remember Len Bias dying basically the day after the draft. Trades can always fall through. Shit happens.
Reports that the Lakers want to rework the Davis deal because they didn't realize they hadn't left cap room for a max are hilarious. As a Knicks fan, it's nice to see the Lakers the LAKERS!!! bumbling like this. #schadenfreude
I might be crazy but I think Barrett has a higher NBA ceiling than Zion. Zions college game revolved around beating up on a bunch of undersized or unskilled big men around the rim. He doesnt have any range shooting the ball. He doesnt have the build or athleticism to create like a Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi.
Barrett on the other hand just seems like one of those guys who ends up being a better pro than college player.
Zion had a better percentage from 3 than Barrett did.
I watch a decent amount of college ball and teams let Zion shoot 3s. Similar to how teams let Giannis shoot 3s. That doesnt make Zion a decent shooter because he had decent stats. His game was bullying people down low. That wont fly at the next level he has to develop a shot outside of 5 feet from the rim if hes going to be anywhere near the hype people are making him out to be.
Lakers reportedly traded the #4 to New Orleans as part of the Davis trade, and then it was reported the Hawks traded for the that pick. Officially, the Lakers selected Hunter. So who, exactly, made that selection? Did the Hawks dictate the pick, etc.? Sounds a little risky to me. What if something happens and the trade falls through? I remember Len Bias dying basically the day after the draft. Trades can always fall through. Shit happens.
Reports that the Lakers want to rework the Davis deal because they didn't realize they hadn't left cap room for a max are hilarious. As a Knicks fan, it's nice to see the Lakers the LAKERS!!! bumbling like this. #schadenfreude
according to woj the lakers agreed that if the pelicans made it a 3 team trade it would be done july 6th, so basicslly lakers will not have max space
RE: WillVAB it's not crazy that RJB could end up the better pro
But re: Zion, he has a ton more bball skill than people seem to appreciate, in spite of being raw. Those full court bounce passes are pure vision & passing ability, at F no less. There's NBA PGs who don't do that. A big who can handle on the break, drive, and has fantastic body control near the rim, as well as hand eye coordination for double clutches & to protect the ball. Not a great shooter, sure, but he serviceable (where Mitch took all of 2 shots outside the paint or something)
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Yea but he just doesnt have the body or style to take people off the dribble like a Lebron, Durant, Giannis, etc. He just seems like more of a classic Karl Malone type player without range.
Im not a basketball expert and I may be completely wrong. But to my eyes Zion looks more like a classic post up big man who cleans up on the glass and doesnt do much more than that assuming his shot doesnt improve from college.
But re: Zion, he has a ton more bball skill than people seem to appreciate, in spite of being raw. Those full court bounce passes are pure vision & passing ability, at F no less. There's NBA PGs who don't do that. A big who can handle on the break, drive, and has fantastic body control near the rim, as well as hand eye coordination for double clutches & to protect the ball. Not a great shooter, sure, but he serviceable (where Mitch took all of 2 shots outside the paint or something)
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Yea but he just doesnt have the body or style to take people off the dribble like a Lebron, Durant, Giannis, etc. He just seems like more of a classic Karl Malone type player without range.
Im not a basketball expert and I may be completely wrong. But to my eyes Zion looks more like a classic post up big man who cleans up on the glass and doesnt do much more than that assuming his shot doesnt improve from college.
To be fair to zion, he's not just a big body. He's a frightening athlete for his size.
than that. Of course he's not LeBron - not a pt-fwd, but he can start the play w/ the ball on occasion as well as make the basic required passes to the wing & post, so IMO it's not the weakness your describing. But he's still raw so it's going to take some adjusting, you're right about that. I see his O being functional as is even if he didn't develop much. And again, to me given the love for Mitch's all D skillset, he doesn't even have to in order to be a useful player b/c I think he'll be better than Mitch at Mitch things (like perimeter blocks for example)
We'll see in time. I love RJB, but certainly would have preferred landing at #1 & Zion
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I watched 2 or 3 Dubs games this season & Thybulle is a very good defensive player. His offense is meh. He needs to work on it to become a good two way player.
I watched 2 or 3 Dubs games this season & Thybulle is a very good defensive player. His offense is meh. He needs to work on it to become a good two way player.
Haven't seen him, but from the description I'm picturing Roberson in OKC or Thabo Sefolosha former OKC. I think TS was a serviceable shooter from 3. And that might sum up their all their offensive skills collectively
RE: RE: RE: WillVAB it's not crazy that RJB could end up the better pro
But re: Zion, he has a ton more bball skill than people seem to appreciate, in spite of being raw. Those full court bounce passes are pure vision & passing ability, at F no less. There's NBA PGs who don't do that. A big who can handle on the break, drive, and has fantastic body control near the rim, as well as hand eye coordination for double clutches & to protect the ball. Not a great shooter, sure, but he serviceable (where Mitch took all of 2 shots outside the paint or something)
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Yea but he just doesnt have the body or style to take people off the dribble like a Lebron, Durant, Giannis, etc. He just seems like more of a classic Karl Malone type player without range.
Im not a basketball expert and I may be completely wrong. But to my eyes Zion looks more like a classic post up big man who cleans up on the glass and doesnt do much more than that assuming his shot doesnt improve from college.
To be fair to zion, he's not just a big body. He's a frightening athlete for his size.
I agree, but its hard to find a present day NBA comparison. Maybe Drummond?
I think people expect him to be the next elite guy and I just dont see it unless he does some serious work to his game.
Nets already had enough cap room for two 30% max players (I.e. Tobias and Kyrie). Move now gets them very closer to one 30% max and one 35% max (KD and Kyrie) without trading Joe Harris or Spencer Dinwiddie.
Obv interest in RJ, but will be interesting to see Knox, he was a top SL player last year fwiw. I wonder who else will play, if not all the obvious candidates
I know nothing about guys left. But based on the linked draft profile, sounds fantastic. Smart PG that can fit a lot of situations (not heavy on usage overall), plays well off the ball, extended range from deep and some D value? And is 6'3"? If we're talking about NYK, I'd prefer a 2-3 (maybe 4) that's strong on D in terms of need, yet realize even if you get that, you often lack a TON of O skills this late
From that perspective, Bone seems a great choice (again, based on a limited draft profile!)
I need to read poppa Bol's biography (assuming he has one). Something about he was told not to go home because he was too ill, but simply felt his cause, his people were too important
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He said Durant is basing his decision independent of anyone else jncluding kyrie irving, basically he is going to go where he wants to go whether someone comes with him or not..
also said clippers, warriors, nets and knicks will get consideration
While it's been confusing, they usually list the trade and team. I don't see anything about NYK til 55. Even the ESPN.com listing has been accurate even tho the draft stage shows otherwise (in general anyway)
"After accumulating offers from several schools including Baylor, Cal, Illinois, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, and USC and rankings of number 66 overall and 16 small forward at 247sports.com, Brazdeikis announced that he would officially visit Michigan, Vanderbilt and Florida on September 8, 15 and 29, 2017, respectively. He gave a Michigan a verbal commitment on September 22. After he committed, Michigan stopped recruiting R. J. Barrett."
For Knicks fans, worth noting Barrett and Brazdeikis played together for Canada in 2016 during U17 World Cup team. They were the team's leading scorers.
@wojespn says Clippers and Raptors are certainly at front of the line for Kawhi, but says Kawhi might take meetings with the Knicks, 76ers, and possibly even the Nets
Things didn't quite work out for him in Charlottesville as he was passed over by Hunter, but he went to Iowa State, had a fantastic season and got his name called. Very glad for him, he's a good kid.
Never thought I'd see the day when a Virginia roster had four players who ended up draftees.
Things didn't quite work out for him in Charlottesville as he was passed over by Hunter, but he went to Iowa State, had a fantastic season and got his name called. Very glad for him, he's a good kid.
Never thought I'd see the day when a Virginia roster had four players who ended up draftees.
pick any ACC player that didnt go to VIR = Greg says he sux
Not even remotely true. Zion is Zion. I like Coby White a whole lot. Cam was overdrafted, but I think he'll be a nice role player who should stay in the league a while. I was pretty vocal about wanting the Knicks to draft DSJ a few years ago. I just don't really like Barrett.
Vanzetti - well, everyone knows Kyle has a huge obstacle to overcome with his small stature, and I can't argue much when people say he will struggle to defend most NBA guards. I will say, however, that he's a better athlete and has a more well-rounded game than most people realize. From what I read, he opened some eyes in the scrimmages at the combine with a more creative, exciting offensive approach than he was able to display at UVA. His lack of size means he'll probably never be a starter, but his scoring ability and great intangibles give him a shot to carve out a role in the league.
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@PeterVecsey1: NOLA, Im told, is assembling assets in all out effort to leapfrog Knicks into second slot in order to snare RJ Barrett. Obviously, Pels are offering Grizz No 4 pick as part payment. No pity parties planned. NY would land Morant or Garland. Memphis would pluck point that drops...
Yep, posted this last night. Either way, we win.
The Knicks supposedly love Morant. If the rumors about Durant are true then Morant's surgery isn't scaring them off. Can't think of much worse inniries than an achilles injury to an older player.
Maybe Perry declined and is hoping they leapfrog us to 2 so he gets Morant?
Same here, either of those scenerios is A okay with me. That and try to acquire a 2md round pick or two. Bunch of teams have multiple second rounders that they may want to move for cash
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
Im fine with Morant but i dont see this happening. Unless NO is willing to include next years first unprotected i wouldnt be interested in moving from Morant/Barrett to Garland/Culver.
Anything we heard today about the top 3 picks is going to be reporters trying to keep people interested despite knowings we are 99% sure we know how the top 3 is going to go
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
If they cant sign two stars, they should use all that cap space for additional picks either this year or the future.
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
16, why couldn't the Grizz trade Conley and move to #4 knowing they're getting Morant or Garland?
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
If you don't think the Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate/friend and a better player then what they'd get at 4 I don't know what to tell you.
Also Jalen Rose and Jay Williams say do not count out the knicks in free agency both thjnk durant to knicks is still on the table and then after that players will follow..
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
If you don't think the Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate/friend and a better player then what they'd get at 4 I don't know what to tell you.
If you dont think peter vescey tweeted thos to troll knicks fans and get attention i dont know what to tell you..
I will guarantee no matter ehat the pelicans offer memphis is not trading down..
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Idk why we wouldn't? The Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate doesn't seem unrealistic. You gotta try to make him as happy as possible before he leaves you like AD did. I don't think it's some crazy scenario that they wanna pair Zion up with his best friend.
because first off it is peter vescey..
Second Grizzlies are not trading mike conley if they planned on moving down...
third every reputable source has said grizzlies locked in on morant and knicks with rj barrett...
Not sure what either of those 2 things have to do with the Pelicans trying to put together a trade offer?! Nobody is saying it's going to get done. He simply said the Pelicans are doing all they can to make a trade.
because the whole scenario makes no sense, grizzlies are not trading down, pelicans by all accounts want established players, not more rookies
If you don't think the Pelicans trying to get Zions teammate/friend and a better player then what they'd get at 4 I don't know what to tell you.
If you dont think peter vescey tweeted thos to troll knicks fans and get attention i dont know what to tell you..
I will guarantee no matter ehat the pelicans offer memphis is not trading down..
Once again nobody said Memphis was trading down. Holy shit.
my problem with the tweet is it is a nothing tweet meant to rile up knicks fans. After evwryone says the knicks are taking Barrett, he comes out with this tweet....
He makes it seem like the pelicans have a shot of doing this, when in reality there is zero chance, writers can tweet something like this over and over again
this tweet is a nothing tweet, he tweeted it to rile up knicks fans and that is it...
this tweet is a nothing tweet, he tweeted it to rile up knicks fans and that is it...
Rile up Knick fans? Is there a single Knick fan that would be upset if they got Morant? Really makes no sense.
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this tweet is a nothing tweet, he tweeted it to rile up knicks fans and that is it...
Rile up Knick fans? Is there a single Knick fan that would be upset if they got Morant? Really makes no sense.
agree to disagree man, no worries
Boston has offered center Aron Baynes -- $5.4M expiring contract -- into salary cap space elsewhere, league sources tell ESPN. Without Kyrie Irving and Al Horford on the books, moving Baynes without taking back salary could get the Celtics to $23M in space.
Not sure what they are giving. Their worst 1st round is 22nd and i cant see them moving that to move an expiring guy making 5 mill. And there second rounder is in the 50's which doesnt seem like enough.
I don't see Memphis passing on Morant, especially after dealing Conley. NO would have to blow them out of the water.
1) Knicks getting 2 Top 4 Picks - Besides the fact the Knicks don't have the assets, there is no love loss between Griffin and the Knicks
2) Knicks taking on salary tonight for draft picks, they actually might want to clear more salary with Frenchie. They still want to be all in on free agency, post free agency, possibly they take on salary for assets to help other teams clear cap space.
RJ had a triple double vs NC St in the regular season; 23-11-10.
Had double digit rebounds in nine games.
Also 11 assists in the Sweet Sixteen tourney game vs Va Tech.
But does he want all that pressure coming back from an Achilles injury? Tough call but if I had to bet today Id say hes signing with the Knicks.
But does he want all that pressure coming back from an Achilles injury? Tough call but if I had to bet today Id say hes signing with the Knicks.
plus all of the reports comingnout now that the nets do not want irving by himself
But does he want all that pressure coming back from an Achilles injury? Tough call but if I had to bet today Id say hes signing with the Knicks.
What did he say?
NYK takes Garland at 4 after NEP gets Barrett to team with Zion.
2 Trade Frank Ntilikina to the Spurs for pick 29
NYK roster might look something like this:
Guards: Malcolm Brogdon (FA, 4 years at 16mm per year) DSJ, Darius Garland at 4, Kadeem Allen, Allonzo Trier, John Jenkins
Forwards: Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (FA, 4 years at 18mm per year), Damyean Dotson, Noah Vonleh (FA, 3 years at 5mm per year) and two drafted under the radar guys I like --Dylan Windler at 29 (sharp shooting wing), Talen Horton-Tucker at 55
Bigs: Mitchell Robinson, Willie Cauley-Stein (FA, 3 years at 8mm per year), Luke Kornet
Reasoning: Ingram and Randle will lead the team in scoring. Both can facilitate along with their scoring talent. Defensively, its a solid combo especially with all that length (Robinson, Cauley-Stein, Vonleh) behind them. Brogdon...simply, is a winner. He defends exceptionally well and always does the right thing. Garland to me, has star talent. His shot is downright beautiful and has great speed and a Steph Curry like handle. This is a team that is young and is loaded with length, defense, intelligent non-primadonna players.
The hope was obviously a healthy KD + Kyrie. I would still sign KD but if it doesn't turn out this way I like a young team like I have described here with plenty of "dry powder" in the form of cap room to make a trade when the opportunity presents itself (Bradley Beal?).
this is just a guess, but I think the Kyrie stuff has been more from his side than the nets FO (who haven't leaked at all over the last 3 years). I don't think they'd take it lightly to just let DLo walk after putting 2 years of development into him as their face of the franchise, him leading them to the playoffs ahead of schedule, and making an all star game.
Leonard seems set on the Clippers which makes sense, with maybe the Raptors clinging to an outside shot of keeping him. KD is the big unknown now post injury. Who is still willing to max him? Does he even actually care about playing with Irving?
As a Net fan, Horford and Harris are the 2 most intriguing fits out there though you obviously have to listen if KD is a possibility (especially if O'malley says he'll be good to go).
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this is just a guess, but I think the Kyrie stuff has been more from his side than the nets FO (who haven't leaked at all over the last 3 years). I don't think they'd take it lightly to just let DLo walk after putting 2 years of development into him as their face of the franchise, him leading them to the playoffs ahead of schedule, and making an all star game.
Leonard seems set on the Clippers which makes sense, with maybe the Raptors clinging to an outside shot of keeping him. KD is the big unknown now post injury. Who is still willing to max him? Does he even actually care about playing with Irving?
As a Net fan, Horford and Harris are the 2 most intriguing fits out there though you obviously have to listen if KD is a possibility (especially if O'malley says he'll be good to go).
woj is known for being a mouthpiece for the nets, he is the one who started this saying the nets thinking is they do not want kyrie by himself and would just stick with deangelo...
You think Kyrie would leak all the interest in the nets?
1) Knicks getting 2 Top 4 Picks - Besides the fact the Knicks don't have the assets, there is no love loss between Griffin and the Knicks
2) Knicks taking on salary tonight for draft picks, they actually might want to clear more salary with Frenchie. They still want to be all in on free agency, post free agency, possibly they take on salary for assets to help other teams clear cap space.
re 2: why would other teams want to clear cap space, post free agency?
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I think Kyrie has always been in the mix for the Nets but never been their top priority. Which logically makes sense because he's obviously not the best FA available - especially given their needs. After KD's injury there has been mixed reporting around whether the Nets would sign Irving to pair him with DLo, or let DLo walk, and now full circle that they may not be interested in him at all. Like I said, even beyond KD/Leonard, I think Harris and Horford are just better fits for what they need - and each has strong connections to Atkinson.
It would mean a lot, Barrett said during Wednesdays draft press conference. My late grandfather, rest in peace, he was the biggest Knicks fan. He always told me Id play for the Knicks. So it would mean a lot for me to play for the team.
Though he is Canadian, Barretts mother, Kesha, is from Brooklyn. His father, Rowan, played for St. Johns and hes visited relatives in Brooklyn plenty, calling New York like home.
Now reports are well the nets do not want him by himself, so the nets really didnt want hkm anyway...
i mean come on, nets fans on here were sayomg how much it made sense, even by himself...
what i want to know why all of sudden is it leaking that neta dont want him by himself
Now reports are well the nets do not want him by himself, so the nets really didnt want hkm anyway...
i mean come on, nets fans on here were sayomg how much it made sense, even by himself...
what i want to know why all of sudden is it leaking that neta dont want him by himself
you're equating what random fans on a message board said to what's been reported by Woj. Like I said, Woj never said the Nets and Irving were a done deal or that he was the Nets top priority - he consistently said Irving was focused on the Nets. Here's another quote from his article 2 days ago.
The Nets and Knicks have both hoped to sign Irving and Kevin Durant together into max salary slots. Durant's free agency has been complicated by a ruptured right Achilles tendon that is expected to keep him out of the entire 2019-20 season. The Knicks and Nets are both still interested in signing Durant and Irving together, league sources said.
and for the record most Net fans are split on Irving vs. Russell. None of us want to lose Russell for nothing. The reporting on whether the Nets would be interested in pairing the 2 of them or not has been all over the map and I haven't seen anything definitive in that regard from Shams or Woj.
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and i got killed by mutiple nets fans on this site after i said kyrie to the nets by himself makes no sense for the nets and didnt seem like a current regime move for tbe nets..
why has that changed?
I still think so.
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I get that some people get caught up in "ceiling" and "potential" but the Knicks can not Frank this pick. Take RJ and don't look back
and i got killed by mutiple nets fans on this site after i said kyrie to the nets by himself makes no sense for the nets and didnt seem like a current regime move for tbe nets..
If multiple people doesnt include shams or woj (aka nets mouthpiece) who gives a shit? 99% of message boards (and SAS) is nonsense that doesnt happen.
and because of that, get a bit excitable....
every kyrie discussion on the internet has been nets were the favorite but nothing is certain.
discussions about kyrie alone were mainly saying... well you have to max a PG so may as well get the better one.... though every nets fan in general in the end wants a combination of a PG and some form of improved 4 that can shoot. is really all we care... whether its Dlo, kyrie whichever.
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Bondy has no sources in the Knicks organization, he is just being a shrill. Woj reported today the Knicks have been locked in on Barrett since the lottery. Barrett should be the pick. Garland could be a great player, but Barrett is too good to pass up for the chance that Garland might be great, not enough of a sample size. It is different then when Kyrie was drafted as he was worth the risk as that draft did not have much in the way of talent.
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Bondy has no sources in the Knicks organization, he is just being a shrill. Woj reported today the Knicks have been locked in on Barrett since the lottery. Barrett should be the pick. Garland could be a great player, but Barrett is too good to pass up for the chance that Garland might be great, not enough of a sample size. It is different then when Kyrie was drafted as he was worth the risk as that draft did not have much in the way of talent.
Just Bondy setting up an article for after the draft how the knicms were split on garland and barrett..
every kyrie discussion on the internet has been nets were the favorite but nothing is certain.
You are joking right? i like you hitdog but come on, for the past 2 weeks all the talk was kyrie was a lock to the nets...
NYK takes Garland at 4 after NEP gets Barrett to team with Zion.
2 Trade Frank Ntilikina to the Spurs for pick 29
NYK roster might look something like this:
Guards: Malcolm Brogdon (FA, 4 years at 16mm per year) DSJ, Darius Garland at 4, Kadeem Allen, Allonzo Trier, John Jenkins
Forwards: Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle (FA, 4 years at 18mm per year), Damyean Dotson, Noah Vonleh (FA, 3 years at 5mm per year) and two drafted under the radar guys I like --Dylan Windler at 29 (sharp shooting wing), Talen Horton-Tucker at 55
Bigs: Mitchell Robinson, Willie Cauley-Stein (FA, 3 years at 8mm per year), Luke Kornet
Reasoning: Ingram and Randle will lead the team in scoring. Both can facilitate along with their scoring talent. Defensively, its a solid combo especially with all that length (Robinson, Cauley-Stein, Vonleh) behind them. Brogdon...simply, is a winner. He defends exceptionally well and always does the right thing. Garland to me, has star talent. His shot is downright beautiful and has great speed and a Steph Curry like handle. This is a team that is young and is loaded with length, defense, intelligent non-primadonna players.
The hope was obviously a healthy KD + Kyrie. I would still sign KD but if it doesn't turn out this way I like a young team like I have described here with plenty of "dry powder" in the form of cap room to make a trade when the opportunity presents itself (Bradley Beal?).
Just my opinion but this would be a disastrous offseason. The only player I like here is Brodgon but 4/64 is a steep price for him.
That trade with NO is terrible.
Also, Colby White working out for the Knicks today. Very surprising.
I like White, but if we are dropping 3-5 spots we better be getting some sort of amazing return.
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The Bucks are very likely going to match any offer on Brogs that isn't a big overpay. No one would be happier to see him on the Knicks than me, but I can't see it happening.
also could be they just didnt get a chance to get these guys in and now that they are in new york easier to get them in for a workout
Interesting that the late focus is on the PGs though, what does that say for Dennis Smith Jr? I know they have worked out Culver, but I don't remember anything about workouts with Reddish or Hunter who you would think would also be in the mix if we moved down.
Interesting that the late focus is on the PGs though, what does that say for Dennis Smith Jr? I know they have worked out Culver, but I don't remember anything about workouts with Reddish or Hunter who you would think would also be in the mix if we moved down.
The Knicks met and worked out Reddish but not Hunter.
Hahhaha... why not Zion also!
Would you do a similar trade as the Mavs/ Hawks deal? Cavs trade 5th overall for the 3rd but include a top 5 protected 2020 1st that loses protections each year.
It all depends on how you view the difference in Barrett and Garland/Culver, but I would probably do it. Knicks would be loaded with picks moving forward. But if they view Barrett as a franchise player, you stand pat.
I feel the same way. I think kyrie is coming to the Knicks and I dont blame the Knicks one bit. Hed be the first legit PG weve had in years.
I remember people thinking he had KD potential
Unless you get Kawhi, it's a legit risk to take. Obviously a risk but a reasonable enough swing for the fences
For some reason, there's now word about a KD sign & trade. Not sure WTF that is about, but a couple articles discussing it (not sure if it's mentioned above)
There's also a short list of NBA rumors at the bottom
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It was Windhorst who said it's being discussed on TV earlier. The idea would be KD gets the 5th year which may be quite important to him given the injury and could rehab for a year with the Warriors and then they'd work with him to trade him to where he'd like to go. He called it a "delayed sign and trade".
We can say F that, but it's not NYK's call. And getting something back makes sense for GSW, and the $ for KD clearly
there definitely wouldn't be a s&t this year because the Warriors can only give him 5 years if he stays on their roster
I got family obligations until 8 or so tonight. Might have to follow via phone.
haha i was a little fired up this morning, lack of sleep
I got family obligations until 8 or so tonight. Might have to follow via phone.
That sucks. You cant drink for the draft tonight? Ive got a few IPAs & some whiskey ready for a night of rumors.
Problem is I go back and forth with hoping for Morant/Barrett.
Problem is I go back and forth with hoping for Morant/Barrett.
I think all 3 will be good, but Zion will be great.
could be there at 55
He is an explosive athlete that can shoot the 3 and push the pace.
I would take D'Angelo Russell over Kyrie if I am the Knicks.
I hope Nets go Kyrie and leave Russell out there for the Knicks to grab him.
Move DSJ for picks and let Frank back him up.
KD and Russell would be a nice off-season.
The Knicks would be a potential trading partner for early 2nd round, no?
31. Brooklyn (from New York via Philadelphia)
32. Phoenix
33. Philadelphia (from Cleveland via Orlando and New York)
34. Philadelphia (from Chicago via Los Angeles Lakers)
35. Atlanta
36. Charlotte (from Washington via Orlando, Denver and Atlanta)
37. Dallas
38. Chicago (from Memphis)
39. New Orleans
40. Sacramento (from Minnesota via Portland and Cleveland)
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47. Sacramento (from Orlando via New York)
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It makes sense to Kevin Durant. 221 million reasons why.
He is an explosive athlete that can shoot the 3 and push the pace.
I would take D'Angelo Russell over Kyrie if I am the Knicks.
I hope Nets go Kyrie and leave Russell out there for the Knicks to grab him.
Move DSJ for picks and let Frank back him up.
KD and Russell would be a nice off-season.
I take it you havent seen Coby White play very much.
He is a point guard or a 2 in the NBA. Zero chance he plays the 3
Agreed.
I've seen this movie before.
He'll almost certainly get drafted, I doubt it will be in the 1st. I think he'll be a steal for someone.
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I dont see the point of this. Just hold on to him and hope for serious improvement. Hes still only 2 years away from being a top 10 pick. His value couldnt be any lower- why sell now?
What could they possibly have to trade for 5 without taking back a bad contract? I'm not trading next year's pick unprotected...
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I dont see the point of this. Just hold on to him and hope for serious improvement. Hes still only 2 years away from being a top 10 pick. His value couldnt be any lower- why sell now?
I think it's a cap thing. He's due to make a little under $5M this year. They'd save the money they used picking up Trier's option by replacing that with a second round pick. They're also not all that pleased with his attitude and work ethic.
Knox and a protected first? I have no idea what kind of value Knox has but he was considered a top 10-12 pick in a draft thought to be stronger in the 5-12 range than this year's.
No hint of trading out of number five.
Supposedly focused on Garland, Culver, Hunter and Reddish, with internal division over the best option.
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No hint of trading out of number five.
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Amend that to say no hint of trading out of five and being left with no pick in the top ten.
Article does mention possibility of Cavs' trading back to eight or ten.
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I'd rather just keep him.
ots more to clear the 5 million
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This is exactly what happened. Dickey V just got confused. Theres no deal.
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Cleveland probably wouldn't, they don't need DSJ.
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2. Ja Morant, Grizzlies
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-Russell interested in BOS & NYK if he's out of BK (IncarceratedBob)
-Melo to LAL possible (Steve Kyler, bball insiders). Hahaha
-CP3 would like to be traded, would consider LAL. Still dreaming of team superfriends, tho they are not sure what LBJ thinks (SAS...)
-Maybe confirmation bias here, but still talk Kawhi to LAL is a no. And that NYK is in the conversation behind LAC & TOR. Not sure where that was but just good to continue to hear NYK on the list
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Hunter.
Would love for the Knicks to grab 6 and take White/Garland
Culver to Cavs
Garland to Suns
White to Bulls
Saric was AWFUL last year. Great move for Minny.
Grab Coby White.
Man cave representing. Ice cold beer. Let's get Barrett baby!
it would probably have to be knox because they have sexton, no use for smith or frank
Doesnt matter if they have Sexton, because both of them can shoot and distribute, they can play off each other. Also theyd be in the same vein as Lillard and McCollum
Also Kyrie's game would be a perfect influence on DSJ given both are more scoring PGs (save the J atm). And his development / early career experiences are pretty perfect for DSJ - staying in control, better decisions, playoffs, playing w/ superstars
Silver shoulda just said Zion after his spiel
Silver shoulda just said Zion after his spiel
got to get those commercials in.
Certainly did not see it as often iirc
Happy day.. great pick.
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Great anecdote. Sounds like a smart dad.
RJ! GOOD PICK!
RJ! GOOD PICK!
It is completely stupid... I just wouldn't do it.
Now let's land #5.
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With what assets?
There are options. 4 1sts over 2 years, DSJ, Knox, Mitch, Trier
The expected & good move.
Please take White, Suns. Otherwise I'm going to have to root for him on the Bulls and I really dont want to do that
Now let's land #5.
I think Hunter is the safest pick in the draft to be good, but Barrett has better upside. Higher floor or higher ceiling. Picking this high you have to make something happen. I like the pick.
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He's got that crafty lefty game down to a science already and he's what 19 years old? Very impressed by how crafty he is. Now he just needs to get stronger and get a jumper.
Seems like a solid kid too. Good move by the Knicks.
Knicks will have a recruiting tool that no one else will, his best buddy.
Barrett's a solid pick. I wanted Ja over anyone in this draft, then Zion, then Barrett
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Now he has to stick to his guns, and only go for KD/Kyrie or take on bad contracts for picks.
Every single pick so far has been a great pick in his eyes. He's bringing nothing to the broadcast. Nothing.
Now he has to stick to his guns, and only go for KD/Kyrie or take on bad contracts for picks.
Agreed. What an odd feeling as a Knick fan
Was flabbergasted teammates would lie about fouls in pickup ball. Reminds me of an article about how after an earthquake, the people weren't looting and such, so the author was amazed
Was flabbergasted teammates would lie about fouls in pickup ball. Reminds me of an article about how after an earthquake, the people weren't looting and such, so the author was amazed
That's really interesting. The more you know...
Yea he just looks like a shooter despite the mediocre freshman year. Will it happen, who knows? But I would not be shocked if he ended up scoring 20 in the pros.
They have absolutely no shooting. And since the PGs were gone... they went with best shooter left.
Agree with this. Guy oozes talent and think the nba game will fit him better.
He plays nothing like Paul George. Billups has some weird comps.
Center who can shoot and block shots? Idk, his injury scares me but he would give us some talent at the 5 along with Mitch
KP situation sucked. Right pick, crappy ending. I think that possibility of what the team would have looked like from drafting & building says a lot too. But having pieces like KP, Mitch, Trier, RJ, Dot etc...it's a pretty nice base, and if a couple of those guys make the jump to stardom (KP was pretty much there too), how high is the ceiling? Aside from the right FAs from there
He's got that crafty lefty game down to a science already and he's what 19 years old? Very impressed by how crafty he is. Now he just needs to get stronger and get a jumper.
Seems like a solid kid too. Good move by the Knicks.
I might be crazy but I think Barrett has a higher NBA ceiling than Zion. Zions college game revolved around beating up on a bunch of undersized or unskilled big men around the rim. He doesnt have any range shooting the ball. He doesnt have the build or athleticism to create like a Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi.
Barrett on the other hand just seems like one of those guys who ends up being a better pro than college player.
Barrett needs to be a better shooter or else he's another body on the pile of mediocre NBA SGs.
I might be crazy but I think Barrett has a higher NBA ceiling than Zion. Zions college game revolved around beating up on a bunch of undersized or unskilled big men around the rim. He doesnt have any range shooting the ball. He doesnt have the build or athleticism to create like a Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi.
Barrett on the other hand just seems like one of those guys who ends up being a better pro than college player.
Zion had a better percentage from 3 than Barrett did.
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Reports that the Lakers want to rework the Davis deal because they didn't realize they hadn't left cap room for a max are hilarious. As a Knicks fan, it's nice to see the Lakers the LAKERS!!! bumbling like this. #schadenfreude
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I might be crazy but I think Barrett has a higher NBA ceiling than Zion. Zions college game revolved around beating up on a bunch of undersized or unskilled big men around the rim. He doesnt have any range shooting the ball. He doesnt have the build or athleticism to create like a Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi.
Barrett on the other hand just seems like one of those guys who ends up being a better pro than college player.
Zion had a better percentage from 3 than Barrett did.
I watch a decent amount of college ball and teams let Zion shoot 3s. Similar to how teams let Giannis shoot 3s. That doesnt make Zion a decent shooter because he had decent stats. His game was bullying people down low. That wont fly at the next level he has to develop a shot outside of 5 feet from the rim if hes going to be anywhere near the hype people are making him out to be.
Reports that the Lakers want to rework the Davis deal because they didn't realize they hadn't left cap room for a max are hilarious. As a Knicks fan, it's nice to see the Lakers the LAKERS!!! bumbling like this. #schadenfreude
according to woj the lakers agreed that if the pelicans made it a 3 team trade it would be done july 6th, so basicslly lakers will not have max space
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Yea but he just doesnt have the body or style to take people off the dribble like a Lebron, Durant, Giannis, etc. He just seems like more of a classic Karl Malone type player without range.
Im not a basketball expert and I may be completely wrong. But to my eyes Zion looks more like a classic post up big man who cleans up on the glass and doesnt do much more than that assuming his shot doesnt improve from college.
I've seen my fair share of Hokies (Greg's favorite team) games. He's pretty good, though I'm not in love with him like Bilas.
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But re: Zion, he has a ton more bball skill than people seem to appreciate, in spite of being raw. Those full court bounce passes are pure vision & passing ability, at F no less. There's NBA PGs who don't do that. A big who can handle on the break, drive, and has fantastic body control near the rim, as well as hand eye coordination for double clutches & to protect the ball. Not a great shooter, sure, but he serviceable (where Mitch took all of 2 shots outside the paint or something)
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Yea but he just doesnt have the body or style to take people off the dribble like a Lebron, Durant, Giannis, etc. He just seems like more of a classic Karl Malone type player without range.
Im not a basketball expert and I may be completely wrong. But to my eyes Zion looks more like a classic post up big man who cleans up on the glass and doesnt do much more than that assuming his shot doesnt improve from college.
To be fair to zion, he's not just a big body. He's a frightening athlete for his size.
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according to woj the lakers agreed that if the pelicans made it a 3 team trade it would be done july 6th, so basicslly lakers will not have max space
So who made that pick, and is Hunter going to bed a Laker, a Pelican or a Hawk?
hawks made the pick, deal just cant be made official until july 6th
We'll see in time. I love RJB, but certainly would have preferred landing at #1 & Zion
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Will root for his success
Will root for his success
Right? Has mama's traits of always fighting
The Disruptor. Awesome defensive nickname
I think Little would be a great pick at this point too.
Haven't seen him, but from the description I'm picturing Roberson in OKC or Thabo Sefolosha former OKC. I think TS was a serviceable shooter from 3. And that might sum up their all their offensive skills collectively
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But re: Zion, he has a ton more bball skill than people seem to appreciate, in spite of being raw. Those full court bounce passes are pure vision & passing ability, at F no less. There's NBA PGs who don't do that. A big who can handle on the break, drive, and has fantastic body control near the rim, as well as hand eye coordination for double clutches & to protect the ball. Not a great shooter, sure, but he serviceable (where Mitch took all of 2 shots outside the paint or something)
And he will be a terror on D, moreso than Mitch given his ridic athleticism. IMO that's his floor, and still includes a shot at DPOY down the road
Yea but he just doesnt have the body or style to take people off the dribble like a Lebron, Durant, Giannis, etc. He just seems like more of a classic Karl Malone type player without range.
Im not a basketball expert and I may be completely wrong. But to my eyes Zion looks more like a classic post up big man who cleans up on the glass and doesnt do much more than that assuming his shot doesnt improve from college.
To be fair to zion, he's not just a big body. He's a frightening athlete for his size.
I agree, but its hard to find a present day NBA comparison. Maybe Drummond?
I think people expect him to be the next elite guy and I just dont see it unless he does some serious work to his game.
They were also one of the only teams who showed up for Bols last event.
Kevin Porter also has been buzzed to Brooklyn. Interesting pick coming up.
Yikes. Nothing in their game is similar.
Who wants to fuckin connect the dots on all these random trades and you have no idea whos going where.
They just said Philly was picking Jerome for Boston but then they sad Phoenix.
Yikes. Nothing in their game is similar.
Yea thats ridiculous. I see a bit of UNLV early NBA version Larry Johnson in Zion.
Who wants to fuckin connect the dots on all these random trades and you have no idea whos going where.
They just said Philly was picking Jerome for Boston but then they sad Phoenix.
They just need to move the official trade / FA date in front of the draft
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Yikes. Nothing in their game is similar.
Yea thats ridiculous. I see a bit of UNLV early NBA version Larry Johnson in Zion.
Never thought of LJ. That's a solid comp
Not even like KP - great pick, but idiots booed, and most didn't know who he was
Now just ball RJ!
Nets traded the pick to the Clippers.
I love getting irrationally excited about players.
Sixers first next year and #55.
One would hope, with the Nets clearly all-in on this strategy, that they have some handshakes and head nods from folks at this point.
Just have to dump Shabazz Napier (1.9M).
Bol Bols medicals really must be a disaster. Feel sorry for him.
And with this not being able to make trades official its a total clusterfuck to follow. You don't know who the fuck is picking whom.
I know nothing about guys left. But based on the linked draft profile, sounds fantastic. Smart PG that can fit a lot of situations (not heavy on usage overall), plays well off the ball, extended range from deep and some D value? And is 6'3"? If we're talking about NYK, I'd prefer a 2-3 (maybe 4) that's strong on D in terms of need, yet realize even if you get that, you often lack a TON of O skills this late
From that perspective, Bone seems a great choice (again, based on a limited draft profile!)
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Now if he were REALLY an admiral......hilarity ensues
And apparently he's royalty!?
(A TV exec just had an epiphany reading my post)
I need to read poppa Bol's biography (assuming he has one). Something about he was told not to go home because he was too ill, but simply felt his cause, his people were too important
Your efforts not enough? I'm a POS. What a man
also said clippers, warriors, nets and knicks will get consideration
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Sources: Knicks picking Michigan's Ignas Brazdeikis at No. 47.
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Sources: Knicks picking Michigan's Ignas Brazdeikis at No. 47.
Big 10 Freshman of the Year. Other than that, I don't know anything about him.
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The Knicks won't give up another pick in the deal - 55 and cash considerations to get to 47 and take Ignas Brazdeikis.
Said it seemed like it was clippers or raptors but other teams can come in..
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Didn't realize that name had Canadian roots :-P
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Sources: Knicks picking Michigan's Ignas Brazdeikis at No. 47.
Big 10 Freshman of the Year. Other than that, I don't know anything about him.
Stretch 4. Very good shooter. not bad body either. A lot of potential. Was the best player many nights for a loaded Michigan team.
Oops.
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For Knicks fans, worth noting Barrett and Brazdeikis played together for Canada in 2016 during U17 World Cup team. They were the team's leading scorers.
Just another hint that this FO is headed in the right direction, for once. Mecca of bball GDit!
Dad is a former MMA fighter. Plays lefty tho is righty on an everyday basis
Nothing too fancy, but honestly seems to have an odd, awkward shot, if not just a real slow release
Well we'll likely see in a few
Yeah exactly, most trades have been at least mentioned, if not listed as 'proposed trade' in the graphics...so likely Ignas (but maybe Guy?)
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2. He played in a physical conference so he won't be intimidated by the physicality at the next level
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UCLA forward Kris Wilkes will sign a two-way deal with the New York Knicks, league sources tell ESPN.
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UCLA forward Kris Wilkes will sign a two-way deal with the New York Knicks, league sources tell ESPN.
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That guy is a little bitter, eh?
Sounds like a decent project. 3 and D wings are big values.
Never thought I'd see the day when a Virginia roster had four players who ended up draftees.
Never change.
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With Knicks signing Kris Wilkes to a two-way contract, they will have their 2 two-ways filled between him and Kadeem Allen.
This means Isaiah Hicks can only come back on a regular NBA contract (he is an RFA with Early-Bird rights)
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With Knicks signing Kris Wilkes to a two-way contract, they will have their 2 two-ways filled between him and Kadeem Allen.
This means Isaiah Hicks can only come back on a regular NBA contract (he is an RFA with Early-Bird rights)
well, if we lose Isaiah Hicks, I guess the Knicks' offseason was a failure. :-)
Never thought I'd see the day when a Virginia roster had four players who ended up draftees.
How do you think Guy will fare in the NBA?
pick any Big 10 player who didnt go to WIS = Jon says he sux
Dont know anything about the UCLA kid, but cant say im seeing anything that impresses me. Would be nice to find another Trier.
pick any Big 10 player who didnt go to WIS = Jon says he sux
Yep that about sums it up lol
Brasdeikis is a solid shooter with upside
Not even remotely true. Zion is Zion. I like Coby White a whole lot. Cam was overdrafted, but I think he'll be a nice role player who should stay in the league a while. I was pretty vocal about wanting the Knicks to draft DSJ a few years ago. I just don't really like Barrett.
Vanzetti - well, everyone knows Kyle has a huge obstacle to overcome with his small stature, and I can't argue much when people say he will struggle to defend most NBA guards. I will say, however, that he's a better athlete and has a more well-rounded game than most people realize. From what I read, he opened some eyes in the scrimmages at the combine with a more creative, exciting offensive approach than he was able to display at UVA. His lack of size means he'll probably never be a starter, but his scoring ability and great intangibles give him a shot to carve out a role in the league.