Both OBJ and Nat Berhe commented on the NYG today

In comment 14478647 BH28 said:

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and he sounds like a jilted lover? The things OBJ said or did off the field never bothered me because he left it all on the field. A lot of these generationaly talented athletes are insane: AB is the Batman to OBJs Robin; Tom Brady thinks staying hydrated prevents sunburn; LT, TO, etc. I think a guy like Barkley, who seems very normal, is the exception, rather than the rule. I think the average grounded person looks at some of these superstar personality quirks and goes, "I would never act like that." Part of what makes these people insanely good is that chip on their shoulder, that mentality/persona/drive/whatever they created to become that person to succeed at a high level. So when fans want superstars to act like a normal person, I think you have to understand that they probably would not have become the players that they are if they acted normal.

Nice try. Let us know how your take shifts on OBJ after you've taken a few 200 level pop psychology classes.

For every whack job performing at a ridiculously high level in athletics, there a 5 normal guys at that high level. Have a look at Yankees superstars over the last 20 years and tell me how many were whack jobs and how many conducted themselves like normal socialized people who had a grasp of what it means to be performing in the spotlight that is big bucks entertainment in NYC.

Because he's landed is "Smallville".

He's not the first of the inflated heads that had the bright lights shine on them - Ruth, DiMaggio, Nameth, Shockey ...

Now, he's just a footnote. He knows it, and it hurts.

who leaves for another team. People here always give the blame to the player, not the G.M. or anyone else.

OBJ had a really good argument to make, that staying with the Giants while that team had no shot at the playoffs this year and not much better next year would be wasting more of his five or six prime years. That rather skinny body was a constant question mark to me.

I do question OBJ's assumption that things will be better with Cleveland. Not a single trip to the Super Bowl? Even a loss?

"So I think allowing me to be in an environment"

You weren't allowed. You weren't a free agent. The team was tired of you and you were traded to the highest bidder. They rather have a solid safety and a 1st round pick, then one of the best WRs in the league. he truly is one of the best WRs. What does that say about him? Could you imagine this team doing that with Barkley?

With that said, I'll continue to root for Odell. He's an exciting player to watch. His one-handed catch against Dallas is still worth watching over and over again. I wish he'd shut up about the Giants, but it is what it is. However, I am waiting for the antics to start in Cleveland. That should be fun to watch.

That is, not relieved, not celebrating.

Bottom line is, he can say what he wants. I wish him every success as long as it doesn't hurt the Giants.

because to a point they are Giants related.

the guy sounds crazy though, who the fuck does he think he is?

my prediction, he'll make big plays, throw some digs at us especially if we start off bad, but by the end of the year it'll be same old OBJ. not around and if he is he's dropping key passes.

he was a great player on some of the worst giants teams. thats his legacy here.

In comment 14478660 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14478647 BH28 said: Quote: and he sounds like a jilted lover? The things OBJ said or did off the field never bothered me because he left it all on the field. A lot of these generationaly talented athletes are insane: AB is the Batman to OBJs Robin; Tom Brady thinks staying hydrated prevents sunburn; LT, TO, etc. I think a guy like Barkley, who seems very normal, is the exception, rather than the rule. I think the average grounded person looks at some of these superstar personality quirks and goes, "I would never act like that." Part of what makes these people insanely good is that chip on their shoulder, that mentality/persona/drive/whatever they created to become that person to succeed at a high level. So when fans want superstars to act like a normal person, I think you have to understand that they probably would not have become the players that they are if they acted normal. Nice try. Let us know how your take shifts on OBJ after you've taken a few 200 level pop psychology classes. For every whack job performing at a ridiculously high level in athletics, there a 5 normal guys at that high level. Have a look at Yankees superstars over the last 20 years and tell me how many were whack jobs and how many conducted themselves like normal socialized people who had a grasp of what it means to be performing in the spotlight that is big bucks entertainment in NYC.

Yeah Alex 'Minotaur' Rodriguez is normal. LT is an absolute piece of shit human being and he is revered around here. If social media existed 20 years ago like it does today, those walk the line guys might not be so straight and narrow like you think.

Last time I checked, other 'crazy' stars played outside the NY metro area so it's not a NY media thing. If OBJ ever said that staying hydrated prevents sunburn, it would melt this place down. Now we know he doesn't drink water because he doesn't like the way it sloshes in his stomach, but at least he isn't peddling psuedo science bullshit that's going to give people skin cancer like Brady is doing.

People think Mayfield is an asshole. He spent his entire collegiate career manufacturing a chip on his shoulder. That's part of what made him successful. He's not going to turn it off now. You have to recognize that Mayfield found success with the 'chip on shoulder' personality and taking that away from him takes away what made him good.

OBJ isn't going to change his personality: he would have been the same guy anywhere he got drafted, NY had nothing to do with it. it's part of what makes him successful.

Elaine: You’re bald!
George: I WAS bald!

One day this guy will wake up and realize that he chose to stay with the Giants, shitted on them, and then they shipped his ass to Cleveland. He’s very lucky that they sent him to a pretty good situation, rather than Buffalo, for ex.

He was given a million opportunities to show he was more than some diva bitch receiver. He did not take advantage. He will be remembered here for spearing Josh Norman (which I think is the most egregious act due to the nature of the incident), a beautiful catch in a losing effort, acting like a jackass, being on tape with white powder and bad takeout pizza, flew his buddies to Florida to hang out topless on a boat, and a huge dropped TD in the playoffs.

Guy didn’t have his elite second and third gear last year, quits in frustration, got shade tossed his way on national tv from Saquon in a most embarrassing manner, and is a general headcase.

But it was all the fault of NYG. The people who gave him $90m plus for the privilege of continuing to put up with his shit.

For every beautiful woman, there’s a man tired of putting up with her nonsense.

Perfectly stated.

P.S. Long time no see on BBI! Hope you're well compadre. How are things?

More when he was wearing Giants Blue. Seems to be just the opposite for many others on this thread.

He essentially confirmed he wanted out of NY, which doesn't surprise me, based on this quote.

I think the feeling was mutual with the Giants, so they moved him. They didn't move him to where he wanted to go (LA).

Cleveland isn't good for the "brand"...

Long-term, a good move for the Giants.

remarkable contrast

Berhe: it’s a shame WE couldn’t win more

OBJ: I...I...I...I...I...I...I...

and so on

follow up question - what do you mean re: politics not being allowed to be yourself? what factors kept yu from reaching your full potential? it's an interview, not a speaking engagement - follow-up

In comment 14478702 glowrider said:

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Elaine: You’re bald! George: I WAS bald! One day this guy will wake up and realize that he chose to stay with the Giants, shitted on them, and then they shipped his ass to Cleveland. He’s very lucky that they sent him to a pretty good situation, rather than Buffalo, for ex. He was given a million opportunities to show he was more than some diva bitch receiver. He did not take advantage. He will be remembered here for spearing Josh Norman (which I think is the most egregious act due to the nature of the incident), a beautiful catch in a losing effort, acting like a jackass, being on tape with white powder and bad takeout pizza, flew his buddies to Florida to hang out topless on a boat, and a huge dropped TD in the playoffs. Guy didn’t have his elite second and third gear last year, quits in frustration, got shade tossed his way on national tv from Saquon in a most embarrassing manner, and is a general headcase. But it was all the fault of NYG. The people who gave him $90m plus for the privilege of continuing to put up with his shit. For every beautiful woman, there’s a man tired of putting up with her nonsense.

Refresh my memory on this one?

But we've already heard A LOT regarding Odell. Always things that don't get out too. Good riddance.

In comment 14478720 mfsd said:

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remarkable contrast Berhe: it’s a shame WE couldn’t win more OBJ: I...I...I...I...I...I...I... and so on

+1 nailed it! If you want to win a game badly you get back to your QB and coordinators to discuss what you can change to win a game. You don't throw childish temper tantrums in full view of the crowd so the morons can say "Oh, look he wants to win so bad" what a bunch of garbage. All he was and is about is "look at me!!"

In comment 14478702 glowrider said:
[quote] Elaine: You’re bald!
George: I WAS bald!

One day this guy will wake up and realize that he chose to stay with the Giants, shitted on them, and then they shipped his ass to Cleveland. He’s very lucky that they sent him to a pretty good situation, rather than Buffalo, for ex.

He was given a million opportunities to show he was more than some diva bitch receiver. He did not take advantage. He will be remembered here for spearing Josh Norman (which I think is the most egregious act due to the nature of the incident), a beautiful catch in a losing effort, acting like a jackass, being on tape with white powder and bad takeout pizza, flew his buddies to Florida to hang out topless on a boat, and a huge dropped TD in the playoffs.

Guy didn’t have his elite second and third gear last year, quits in frustration, got shade tossed his way on national tv from Saquon in a most embarrassing manner, and is a general headcase.

But it was all the fault of NYG. The people who gave him $90m plus for the privilege of continuing to put up with his shit.

For every beautiful woman, there’s a man tired of putting up with her nonsense.

Great post.

not sure what to make of this:

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Yawn. BBI fans go off again on a really good player Reese's Pieces : 12:47 am : link : reply who leaves for another team.

How often have Giant fans had a chance to yawn at players moving on and excelling elsewhere? It isn't like the NFL is littered with ex-Giants taking the league by storm.

Like I said a couple weeks ago, when the biggest losses have been placekickers, you aren't doing too bad in whom is let go. Unless we are still upset about Ed McCaffery....

that he wanted out of New York.

I'm not sure how anyone who viewed his ESPN interview with Lil Wayne could come away with any other impression than he wasn't happy in New York and wanted out.

in light of the fact they were trading away a player who no longer wanted to be with the organization and not doing so would only have led to more headcaches and distractions moving forward. The confusing part to me is why he chose to sign the contract in the first place. You're either being disingenuous or you are a fool, but I don't think a sane individual reverses course on a major life decision in that short a time span. I remember Kim Jones after the Odell trade indicating that he was blindsided and shocked and I can't see how that could possibly be true. Would have been nice for Odell to be a little more transparent during that time frame instead of posturing/playing the victim.


A happy Odell would have certainly been in the Giants plans moving forward, he took that option out of their hands and they were smart to respond the way they did and not let his value diminish the way it did for the Steelers with Antonio Brown.

Here's to Jabrill Peppers, Dexter Lawrence and Oshane Ximines helping the Giants win more games than they did during OBJ's tenure in New York, hopefully there are better days ahead.

In comment 14478526 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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this reads like he paved his own way to Cleveland: Quote: “I just felt with the Giants I was just stuck at a place that wasn’t working for me anymore. I felt like I wasn’t going to be able to reach my full potential there; mentally, physically, spiritually, everything I felt capable of doing, I just couldn’t see it happening there,” Ummm - you were jettisoned there big guy.

Exactly. People seem to be glossing over this delusional comment by OBJ. OBJ has some real mental issues going on. He works hard and plays hard, but he's not playing with a full deck upstairs.

In Beckham's mind, he left, as if it was his decision.

In reality, he was shipped out.

alternative facts are quite comical.

...the guy is a talent.

Having said that, I certainly can make a case for not wanting him on this team and why he doesn't fit.

And in fact, he makes the case himself with quotes like this.

Giants in the end will be better without him.

“I just felt with the Giants I was just stuck at a place that wasn’t working for me anymore. I felt like I wasn’t going to be able to reach my full potential there; mentally, physically, spiritually, everything I felt capable of doing, I just couldn’t see it happening there,” Beckham said. “So I think allowing me to be in an environment where I can be myself and give it a different approach, I feel like my football will benefit. I’m just excited about being able to play football again and not have to deal with all the other stuff and politics that came with my previous role.”

That's a total of 16 "I, me, my, myself", ZERO "team".

He should have played tennis or golf.

With OBJ.

Whether right or wrong, he never took responsibility for the fallout this offseason. It was the QB, the coach, management, etc...

I mean at some point you have to say.... I made some mistakes, I have no Ill-will and now looking forward to my next step in my career.

In comment 14478830 dep026 said:

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With OBJ. Whether right or wrong, he never took responsibility for the fallout this offseason. It was the QB, the coach, management, etc... I mean at some point you have to say.... I made some mistakes, I have no Ill-will and now looking forward to my next step in my career.

he actually did say that, but that doesn't generate clicks so it wasn't reported. he has often said he has made mistakes is is trying to grow as a person.

it was the same interview where he talked about how hard baker throws the ball

In comment 14478789 Britt in VA said:

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In Beckham's mind, he left, as if it was his decision. In reality, he was shipped out.

The fact that it's Cleveland makes it all the more beautiful. Last time Cleveland won an NFL title, NFL broadcasts were black and white. And there are few destinations less glamorous.


He only has himself to blame.

td in the endzone. Where can i sell that shit?

honestly would rather a Hakeem Nicks jersey signed over him

I believe glowrider may be referring to this with the "Saquon throwing shade" comment. It's the only thing I can think of at least...
Shade? - ( New Window )

In comment 14478675 Reese's Pieces said:

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who leaves for another team. People here always give the blame to the player, not the G.M. or anyone else. OBJ had a really good argument to make, that staying with the Giants while that team had no shot at the playoffs this year and not much better next year would be wasting more of his five or six prime years. That rather skinny body was a constant question mark to me. I do question OBJ's assumption that things will be better with Cleveland. Not a single trip to the Super Bowl? Even a loss?

He did not leave. He was traded. He was dismissed.

*I* this, *I* that, Me me me...

*

as long as they don't put him on the hands squad for an onside kick in overtime.

In comment 14478885 RobCrossRiver56 said:

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as long as they don't put him on the hands squad for an onside kick in overtime.

He will be. Until they start losing and he doesn't think he's getting the ball enough.

Maybe that's because I didn't want to draft him in the first place (I was riding the Aaron Donald Train...would have settled for Zack Martin), so that might've been out of guilt. I downplayed a lot of his antics as products of youthful exuberance, a little comical but really no big deal.

But I can't say I was sorry to see him go, and I hope he has a Good Time in Cleveland.

ding ding ding.

It reminds me of when I was 26, and a lot of what I said was also stupid and wrong.

The only difference, is that as long as it gets Odell noticed and talked about, it doesn't matter what he says. The greater his "name recognition," the more money he can make from outside sources. [I give you Dennis Rodman & Charles Barkley, poster-children for this technique.]

So maybe what Odell said was not so "stupid." Let's just call it outrageous and wrong.

In comment 14478856 bigblue5611_2 said:

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I believe glowrider may be referring to this with the "Saquon throwing shade" comment. It's the only thing I can think of at least... Shade? - ( New Window )

Yep, this is what I was referring to. Thanks for the link. This made such an impression on me, and then it was internet fodder.

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that spiritual growth gimmick cause him to piss like a Dog after he scored a TD vs Philly in 2017 ????

the more brilliant DG looks for making the trade.

I am not rooting against Odell... but I would not be surprised if the wheels come completely off of the bus at some point.

we will eventually stop saying Odell is being young.

Maybe at 22 it applied, but he isn't a rookie and each year he continues to say or do stupid things, it gets harder to justify that he's just a kid fer crisaskes....

Its always someone else's fault, people are always out to get him.....

In comment 14479330 SimpleMan said:

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Its always someone else's fault, people are always out to get him.....

Yup. One of the most noticeable patterns with him.

Unfortunately he's closer to Trey Junkin in the playoffs than to Hakeem Nicks, or Plaxico Burress.

Odell, and see what that locker room does for you. Selfish, sycophant.

If you did 1/2 to Newman, that Hicks, did to Talib, you’d be in my top 30, Giants, well behind the likes of Dane, Wheatley, & Cyclops.

Shockey with wheels, that will be your legacy. Watch film of Bavaro, & Toomer, fucking tool.

In comment 14478647 BH28 said:

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and he sounds like a jilted lover? The things OBJ said or did off the field never bothered me because he left it all on the field. A lot of these generationaly talented athletes are insane: AB is the Batman to OBJs Robin; Tom Brady thinks staying hydrated prevents sunburn; LT, TO, etc. I think a guy like Barkley, who seems very normal, is the exception, rather than the rule. I think the average grounded person looks at some of these superstar personality quirks and goes, "I would never act like that." Part of what makes these people insanely good is that chip on their shoulder, that mentality/persona/drive/whatever they created to become that person to succeed at a high level. So when fans want superstars to act like a normal person, I think you have to understand that they probably would not have become the players that they are if they acted normal.

I’m not sure how many people of super high success you think act like this. My guess is the same about of less Successful. He’s got all world talent. He also has made himself a brand and not a person. At a young age I think I makes you sound and then become an asshole. WTF has he done that has really mattered In The NFL?


Do I think he’s a horrible person. Nope. Just Self centered one. And it had ANY self awareness he’s know he sounds like a whiny bitch. Now he’s going to continue to make MILLIONS in our celebrity culture. Good for him. But IMO there is zero correlation between skill, success and assuming you are the center of the universe. Plenty of people much more successful have never uttered the stupid shit he does. In and out of football

Interested to see how OBJ's year pans out.

I've always been a fan, but he's painted the Giants as a villain in an unrealistic way.

We'll see, but I feel like he has created an impossible situation for himself (imo) considering his diminished athletic ability.

That I’m close to no longer contributing to. Between rule changes, subjectivism (that’s rife for corruption), 4 hour games, and catches that include a movement consistent with what I don’t know, I am watching fewer games every year. Long gone are the days of Summeral, Madden, and programming devoid of ubiquitous scrolling. The game has been adulterated with inconsistent ruling, & players looking for a rookie guarantee. And to think, LT never received a guaranteed penny.

Kinda not expecting too much cold comfort in the Browns of today sucking anywhere near as bad the Browns of yore.



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