NFT: NY Knicks Draft Recap

Barrett - more than anything, I like his make-up. Seems like a very bright, well prepared, competitive/assertive kid that is ready (in terms of intangibles) for any basketball challenge.

The RD2 kid (Iggy). I can't say I have conviction about what he will be but at a glance, he looks rather Joe Ingles like.

but even still, good for them to stick with plan A, not get cute entertaining offers to trade down or overthink this in any way.

Some of my other targets (if any trades were made back into the late 1st/early 2nd) were Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards.

On to free agency where I have a feeling (personally a bad one) that they are going to sign Durant and Kyrie.

In comment 14478762 Chris684 said:

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but even still, good for them to stick with plan A, not get cute entertaining offers to trade down or overthink this in any way. Some of my other targets (if any trades were made back into the late 1st/early 2nd) were Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards. On to free agency where I have a feeling (personally a bad one) that they are going to sign Durant and Kyrie.

I keep going back and forth on this whether KD (age, injury but pedigree, extreme length/shooting that should lead to a better recovery than say Kobe) or go young Russell/Randle. One RFA I would love is Brogdon.

the interview linked below.

It's the lead surgeon at HSS if anyone would like some perspective on the Durant injury.
Link - ( New Window )

In comment 14478762 Chris684 said:

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but even still, good for them to stick with plan A, not get cute entertaining offers to trade down or overthink this in any way. Some of my other targets (if any trades were made back into the late 1st/early 2nd) were Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards. On to free agency where I have a feeling (personally a bad one) that they are going to sign Durant and Kyrie.

Good thing it was a no brainer, since too often they’ve drafted with this brain:

excited to see what FA brings.

Russell, randle, brogdon, lets go to war with a young team and build something that will last 10 years

In comment 14478778 nygiants16 said:

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Russell, randle, brogdon, lets go to war with a young team and build something that will last 10 years

Hell no pass on all 3. That's a great path to mediocrity.

...outside shot?

is a winning type of player. You're not going to see him in the highlights and his simple stats won't be sexy, but I'd love to have a guy like that and to me, he is worth 4/$15mm per.

...at Center?

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...outside shot?

Does it need work? Yes. But I think people get too carried away with this concern. There is nothing broken about his shot. The form will be tweaked and the %s will go up. This is a kid that has lived at the rim since he started playing. Let him develop the shot. All the other stuff is there, particularly the intangibles. The last thing I'm worried about with a kid like this is whether he'll put in the time to upgrade the shot.

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...at Center?

Nothing but great stuff down the stretch of last season. There wasn't a guy selected last night that came close to where MR is now or his upside.

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There is nothing broken about his shot. The form will be tweaked and the %s will go up.

Hmmm, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, about Frenchy, and Shumpert before him. "Sure, he doesn't make many shots, but his form is fine!"

Brazdekis can shoot, but I doubt he ever plays much in the NBA. Way too slow - who will he guard?

About RJ Barrett

RJ Barrett is an assertive lefty scorer who lived up to the lofty expectations he faced at Duke, following perhaps the most accomplished junior career of any player in Canadian basketball history. The Toronto native staked his claim as one of the top young prospects in the world averaging 14.6 points and 4.6 rebounds per game as a 14-year-old at the 2015 FIBA U16 Americas Championship. Despite frequently playing up multiple age-groups, Barrett found success on a wide array of platforms shining at the Jordan Brand Classic International Game, FIBA U17 World Championship, Nike Hoop Summit, Basketball Without Borders Global Camp, and Geico Nationals with Montverde Academy—all before he opted to forgo his final season of high school basketball and reclassify to the high school class of 2018. Widely regarded at the top prospect in that class earning McDonald’s All-American honors, Barrett turned in a signature performance in the semifinals of the 2017 FIBA U19 World Championship scoring 38 points to upset a US-team littered with other 2019 NBA Draft prospects. Made his senior national team debut last summer before averaging 22.6 points, 7.6 rebounds, and 4.3 assists to earn Consensus 1st Team All-American honors in his only season under Mike Krzyzewski.

Father Rowan Barrett represented Canada internationally and had multiple stints in Greece, France, and Venezuela over his two decades at the professional level.

Possesses an impressive blend of size, fluidity, and body control. Has the dimensions and versatility to fill several roles standing 6’7 with a 6’10 wingspan and a steadily improving 208-pound frame to go along with an unflappable scorer’s mentality.

Aggressive slasher whose game has rounded out impressively over time to complement his ability to get to the rim. Played a massive role for the Blue Devils first and foremost looking for his own offense but also contributing as a jump shooter, creating for others unselfishly, competing defensively, and doing a little bit of everything impacting winning in a variety of ways.
Defensive Analysis

Capable on-ball defender who had some nice moments against strong competition over the course of the season and has held his own across a variety of settings over the last several years. Has room to improve away from the ball in terms of rotations and ability to get in passing lanes but could emerge as a multi-positional defender on the wing as his body matures.

Allowed 0.551 points per Isolation possession showing solid lateral quickness and good intensity for stretches. Makes some occasional hustle plays and is a consistent factor on the glass.
Career Highlights

2018-19 National Player of the Year by USA Today.
Finalist for Wooden National Player of the Year Award.
Earned Consensus All-America First Team honors.
Jerry West Award winner, given annually to the nation’s best shooting guard.
Broke the ACC freshman scoring record, previously held by
Georgia Tech’s Kenny Anderson (721) in 1989-90.
2017-18 National Gatorade High School Player of the Year.
Freshman (2018-19)

Led the ACC in scoring (22.6 ppg), finishing just ahead of teammate Zion Williamson.
Named All-ACC First Team.
Averaged 7.6 rebounds (10th in ACC) and 4.3 assists (5th).
Posted the fourth triple-double in Duke history with 23 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists vs. N.C. State (Feb. 16).
Set an ACC freshman record with 26 20-point games.
His 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech in the NCAA East Regional Semifinals were a Duke freshman tournament record.
Strengths

Size, length, frame and athleticism of prototypical NBA wing.
Intelligent player with terrific scoring instincts.
Can play on or off the ball.
Embraces contact and physicality.
Highly competitive defensively.
Personal

Godfather is two-time NBA MVP Steve Nash.
Father, Rowan, played college basketball at St. John’s, professionally overseas and for Team Canada with Nash.
Mother, Kesha, ran track at St. John’s.

35 years ago? I mean we obviously have had some over the years (Lance Thomas, Marshall Plumlee, Chris Duhon), but I can't recall the last time we actually drafted one.

Pretty amazing when you think about it. Say what you want about Coach K and Duke (looking at you, Greg and Mook), but Duke is a basketball factory. The players may not always live up to expectations, but they are able to carve out good, long careers for themselves.

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Pretty amazing when you think about it. Say what you want about Coach K and Duke (looking at you, Greg and Mook), but Duke is a basketball factory. The players may not always live up to expectations, but they are able to carve out good, long careers for themselves.

Comparatively few of them live up to expectations.

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...outside shot?

Yes, I am. He wasn't a good foul shooter - which is an indication that he doesn't have a natural shooting touch.

Pretty excited about Barrett. All things considered, the Knicks made out well to get a prospect of his caliber and to even not fall lower than 3. He’s obviously not perfect, but he has all nba/ all star potential. That’s what’s you want picking high.

The narrative on Irving has gotten a little out of hand. This guy is an incredible talent. I’d be thrilled if the Knicks acquired a 27 year old 2nd team all nba player and all it cost them was cap space.

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In comment 14478790 Pep22 said: Quote: There is nothing broken about his shot. The form will be tweaked and the %s will go up. Hmmm, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, about Frenchy, and Shumpert before him. "Sure, he doesn't make many shots, but his form is fine!" Brazdekis can shoot, but I doubt he ever plays much in the NBA. Way too slow - who will he guard?

Ntilikina and Shumpert are really silly comparisons. Shumpert has a very low IQ and skill level. Ntilikina is afraid to shoot. Barrett has been the top kid in his class for several years. He is bright, assertive, highly skilled.

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In comment 14478788 M.S. said: Quote: ...at Center? Nothing but great stuff down the stretch of last season. There wasn't a guy selected last night that came close to where MR is now or his upside.

I agree. He's not a good shooter and may never be. But he's so good in other aspects of his game, that he will be an asset to the team. He dominates on defense and is a very good rebounder.

Player. He is super strong. When he arrived at Michigan, they told him to stop lifting cause he was too big.

He will tease. Some games at Michigan he dominated and there were games where he wasn’t even noticed. But he can shoot, he likes to drive, and is pretty fearless.

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Ntilikina and Shumpert are really silly comparisons. Shumpert has a very low IQ and skill level. Ntilikina is afraid to shoot. Barrett has been the top kid in his class for several years. He is bright, assertive, highly skilled.

Bright, assertive, highly skilled, has atrocious shot selection, and can't hit the broad side of a barn with his jumper. Did you know, beyond the lousy 3pt shooting, that he shot just 33% on ALL jump shots?

should be a solid nba player even if he cant improve his outside shot. That said if he cant then he wont be anywhere near the star we are hoping for.

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Hmmm, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, about Frenchy, and Shumpert before him. "Sure, he doesn't make many shots, but his form is fine!"

My opinion on these matters counts for nothing, and quite rightly so (thanks, Gary Brooker), but I'm firmly in this camp. I think questions will increase.

In comment 14478807 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14478805 Anakim said: Quote: Pretty amazing when you think about it. Say what you want about Coach K and Duke (looking at you, Greg and Mook), but Duke is a basketball factory. The players may not always live up to expectations, but they are able to carve out good, long careers for themselves. Comparatively few of them live up to expectations.

Few?

Grant Hill (injury derailed him)
Kyrie Irving
J.J Reddick
Cory Maggette
Carlos Boozer
Luol Deng
Shane Battier
Elton Brand

Christian Laettner and Johnny Dawkins are the only stars from Duke, that come to mind, that had Stellar college careers but were average in the NBA.


Nice try Greg but saying only a few met expectations is just SILLY.

52% from 2 and 45% overall, he absolutely needs to work on his 3 point shot, but can we stop acting like he cant shoot whatsover..

Also if he played for virginia greg would love the pick

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Player. He is super strong. When he arrived at Michigan, they told him to stop lifting cause he was too big. He will tease. Some games at Michigan he dominated and there were games where he wasn’t even noticed. But he can shoot, he likes to drive, and is pretty fearless.

Agreed, though I'm biased because he killed the Terps twice lol

that the Knicks would trade down last night but they made the right move.

I am torn what to do in free agency. The Knicks have a very good young core but they will likely struggle as a team this season without a few veteran additions.

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52% from 2 and 45% overall, he absolutely needs to work on his 3 point shot, but can we stop acting like he cant shoot whatsover.. Also if he played for virginia greg would love the pick

Absolutely. Saying he can't hit the broadside of a barn is just silly. The guy pumped in over 22ppg. Clearly he can score and distribute.

simply dug in to the point where he's coming off as fairly delusional.

He continually acts as if Barrett simply can't shoot the ball and it isn't just a couple of sly comments, he's been shouting the shit from the rooftops.

Three years of losing hasn’t provided the draft haul I was hoping for, but it’s been OK. We have no choice but to keep grinding.

In comment 14478844 nygiants16 said:

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52% from 2 and 45% overall, he absolutely needs to work on his 3 point shot, but can we stop acting like he cant shoot whatsover.. Also if he played for virginia greg would love the pick

If Barrett was from Virginia, and the Knicks selected him, Greg woould be like..

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simply dug in to the point where he's coming off as fairly delusional. He continually acts as if Barrett simply can't shoot the ball and it isn't just a couple of sly comments, he's been shouting the shit from the rooftops.

Typical Greg.

In comment 14478844 nygiants16 said:

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52% from 2 and 45% overall, he absolutely needs to work on his 3 point shot, but can we stop acting like he cant shoot whatsover.. Also if he played for virginia greg would love the pick

He shot 33% on all jump shots. He made a ton of layups which juiced his shooting percentage.

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He continually acts as if Barrett simply can't shoot the ball and it isn't just a couple of sly comments, he's been shouting the shit from the rooftops.

Acts as if? The facts are on my side. It's people arguing the opposite who fall back on "Nothing to worry about, his form is great!"

and I talk myself into him being the next Wade.

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is a winning type of player. You're not going to see him in the highlights and his simple stats won't be sexy, but I'd love to have a guy like that and to me, he is worth 4/$15mm per.

Chicago is rumored to be ready to offer him 4 years 80 mil. At 20 mil a season he is not worth it IMO, at 15ish I would consider it but not 20+ a season

still end up with a good draft haul. Especially since even with our losing two of the picks were way past the top 3. Sure Frank stinks, but i still think Knox can be damn good. Remember how good he was in summer league? I get that the competition was shittier but he shot so well. And that competition was also around his age, as he gets a bit older, bigger and more experienced hopefully he starts looking like that more consistently. Plus he had a bunch of games this year where he looked great. 19 year olds dont have a bunch of good games by luck alone.

I mean the 3 year haul will come down to Barrett mostly. I still like Knox a lot but i dont think he has superstar potential. I think he has very good player potential. If Barrett is a stud and knox is very good that is a great haul.

by knox i meant from the outside, not his overall shooting percentage. I remember him having some bad overall shooting percentages. ALthough a lot was later in the schedule when he started to look gassed.

Is that basketball has only been his main sport for like 4 years. He was primarily a football player like his old man before that.

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In comment 14478786 Pep22 said: Quote: is a winning type of player. You're not going to see him in the highlights and his simple stats won't be sexy, but I'd love to have a guy like that and to me, he is worth 4/$15mm per. Chicago is rumored to be ready to offer him 4 years 80 mil. At 20 mil a season he is not worth it IMO, at 15ish I would consider it but not 20+ a season

Great give two big contracts to Lavine and Brogdon who will be overpaid... and then draft a guard. JFC. My bulls need new management.

RJ was elated to be drafted by the Knicks

In comment 14478884 dep026 said:

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In comment 14478869 TommyWiseau said: Quote: In comment 14478786 Pep22 said: Quote: is a winning type of player. You're not going to see him in the highlights and his simple stats won't be sexy, but I'd love to have a guy like that and to me, he is worth 4/$15mm per. Chicago is rumored to be ready to offer him 4 years 80 mil. At 20 mil a season he is not worth it IMO, at 15ish I would consider it but not 20+ a season Great give two big contracts to Lavine and Brogdon who will be overpaid... and then draft a guard. JFC. My bulls need new management.

6 titles in the Jordan era.

You're not gonna get any sympathy around here.

pesky layups. They shouldn't even count.

so let me preface this by saying this is best case scenario..

j dont think i have heard this mentioned as a comp yet, but what about dwyane wade? Wade when he came into the league was slasher not a great shooter

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pesky layups. They shouldn't even count.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying, you fucking nitwit.

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In comment 14478889 Harvest Blend said: Quote: pesky layups. They shouldn't even count. Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying, you fucking nitwit.

I know, right?

Are ready to declare a kid who just turned 19!!!! As a player who can’t shoot. Who cares about the shooting percentages from college he is 19!!!! He can finish in the paint, he has a good handle, he has good court vision. He is strong, he works hard, he comes from a good family, he wanted to be in NYC. These are awesome traits. This is not Ben Simmons, he will become a better jump shooter just like Frankie will on some other team. These are kids. I haven’t been able to read greg’s Posts but I’m assuming he wanted the over ratted hunter kid from Virginia. That’s not the type of player you pick with a top 3 pick. He will have a nice nba career as a rotational player, no upside though. Barrett has risks no doubt, but his upside is all nba player he puts the work it. When you are rebuilding a team and have a chance at one of these type of players you have to go for it.

Now they just have to remain patient and develop Robinson, Barrett, Knox, Trier, and Dotson.