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NFT: NY Knicks Draft Recap

Reeses Pieces : 6/21/2019 8:10 am
It appears the Knicks had another solid draft, however only time will tell.

Pick 3- R.J. Barrett (Duke)
He was the consensus #1 overall pick for several years before Zion blew up. Tremendous slasher, I think he will have more success on a spaced NBA floor. Not for nothing, he averaged over 4 assists a game as a freshman this past season. With an improved jumper can he become a player similar to James Harden?

Pick 47- Ignas "Iggy" Brazdeikis (Michigan)
A small forward that can hit the outside shot as well as bang around in the paint. He was a teammate of Barrett's in Canada. A huge trash talker that may win over the NY fanbase. Athleticism and defense are troubling concerns. I still think he can find a strong role in NY.

UDFA- Kris Wilkes (UCLA)
Signed a two-way contract with the Knicks. A 6'7" SF with guard ability. UCLA was atrocious, I'm hoping he flew under the radar because of this. He is a former McDonald's All-American.

UDFA- Amir Hinton (Shaw- Division II)
Hinton will get a shot with the Knicks during the upcoming summer league. A 6'5" SG, he averaged nearly 30 ppg playing D2 ball. Some have compared his abilities to D Wade.

I'm curious to see where some other UDFA sign. Some bigger names are still available as of early this morning.
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well i def disagree...  
Italianju : 6/21/2019 12:04 pm : link
on bridges and huerter. Knox has more upside then them and we should be shooting for upside.

Greg I love you man but you're making this out like we just picked  
Stu11 : 6/21/2019 12:05 pm : link
Frank again. Literally just about every GM would have sprinted to the podium to pick RJ #3. He's not perfect but what draft pick is at age 19?
Knox. Killed it against his fellow draftees in SL  
ChaChing : 6/21/2019 12:05 pm : link
was all-SL or whatever, something like top 3. More than that, I loved his aggression & style of play overall, played fast & loose

But with the big team, it's almost like Frank's timidness rubbed off, or the physicality suddenly jumped on him and he backed off a bit. Totally different guy save a few flashes. Could be slow adjustment to NBA / NYC / adult life (fair tho we expect them to just jump in), could be just adjusting to the game. There's hope but not a lot of good film so far
RE: Greg I love you man but you're making this out like we just picked  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14479082 Stu11 said:
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Frank again. Literally just about every GM would have sprinted to the podium to pick RJ #3. He's not perfect but what draft pick is at age 19?


Well, there are two components here.

1)It's making me sick to my stomach that not only do I have to root for Daniel fucking Jones now, I also have to root for RJ fucking Barrett

2)I think his flaws are much more significant than most people here do.
I don't like his shot to date but  
xman : 6/21/2019 12:15 pm : link
he knows how to score and to finish unlike Frank.
Knox  
TommyWiseau : 6/21/2019 12:22 pm : link
was an 18 year old rookie who has never played more then 38 games in a season. Give the kid a break
Hawks  
TyreeHelmet : 6/21/2019 12:34 pm : link
Really like what Atlanta did. A starting 5 of Young, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter and Collins is a nice young core.

I think Reddish is going to be a really good nba player.
Yeah, people were quick to kill Atlanta for passing on Doncic  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2019 12:36 pm : link
but Young played well enough to save face, and suddenly they have a solid young team on their hands. If we miss on the max players, I hope we make a few trades and wind up with multiple first rounders next year - I'm always envious of those teams.
RE: Knox  
hitdog42 : 6/21/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14479113 TommyWiseau said:
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was an 18 year old rookie who has never played more then 38 games in a season. Give the kid a break


i think knox is fine and has a ton of potential. the whole issue was having zero offensive system. would have been better having a system where guys can develop more.

the non system benefited guys like trier and the subpar PGs putting up solid looking stats
RE: RE: Greg I love you man but you're making this out like we just picked  
Stu11 : 6/21/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14479092 Greg from LI said:
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Frank again. Literally just about every GM would have sprinted to the podium to pick RJ #3. He's not perfect but what draft pick is at age 19?



Well, there are two components here.

1)It's making me sick to my stomach that not only do I have to root for Daniel fucking Jones now, I also have to root for RJ fucking Barrett

2)I think his flaws are much more significant than most people here do.

I hear ya. Believe me my Terp blood boils at the mere sight of a Dukie. 2 Things though, 1 We're out of the ACC, and 2 since these guys only stay 1 season these days you don't lather up as much hate like we used to over 3 or 4 years for Hurly, Laetner, Ferry, etc...
Believe me, Kris Wilkes sucks  
Stan in LA : 6/21/2019 1:24 pm : link
You'll see soon enough.
"Yo I'm a Knick,  
slickwilly : 6/21/2019 1:31 pm : link
What?"

Love this from RJ
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Frank will be a 3 and D guy  
Vanzetti : 6/21/2019 1:36 pm : link
Perfect complement to Durant if they can also sign another elite free agent.

RE: Believe me, Kris Wilkes sucks  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14479203 Stan in LA said:
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You'll see soon enough.


YES!!!! we got a steal guys!!
RE: RE: Believe me, Kris Wilkes sucks  
Stu11 : 6/21/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14479219 nygiants16 said:
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You'll see soon enough.



YES!!!! we got a steal guys!!

Guaranteed HOF'er!!!!!!
RE: RE: more importantly on those who...  
sjnyfan : 6/21/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14479078 Ira said:
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knock him is who shoudl the knicks have taken instead of knox. The only guy i would trade knox for is SGA and its not like id feel like i was robbing LAC.



That's fair. I think SGA is much better. I'd rather had either of the Bridges or Huerter than Knox - and that's just off the top of my head.

Take a look at ESPN's Real +/- for small forwards. Knox is dead last and he isn't close to the player who's next to last.
NBA Real Plus-Minus -(Small Forwards page 3) - ( New Window )


It's hard to knock a rookie in this category, especially one that hasn't made basketball his priority until his junior year of high school, which was four years ago. I looked at other years for the same stat. Joe Harris was last in 2014. He started every game he played last year and shot 47% from 3. The next year Bogdan Bojanovich was last. He started every game he played for the Pacers this past season and averaged 18 ppg. I took a peak at Power Forwards. Pascal Siakam was 63rd out of 65 PFs his rookie year. He was just as important as anyone to the Raptors championship season. Give Knox time. He's going to get better.
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bceagle05 : 6/21/2019 2:04 pm : link
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It's hard to knock a rookie in this category, especially one that hasn't made basketball his priority until his junior year of high school, which was four years ago. I looked at other years for the same stat. Joe Harris was last in 2014. He started every game he played last year and shot 47% from 3. The next year Bogdan Bojanovich was last. He started every game he played for the Pacers this past season and averaged 18 ppg. I took a peak at Power Forwards. Pascal Siakam was 63rd out of 65 PFs his rookie year. He was just as important as anyone to the Raptors championship season. Give Knox time. He's going to get better.

This is an A+ post right here - thank you. I've been down on Knox due to (among other things) some of these advanced stats, but never took the time to research other seasons and players. This makes me feel a little better.
Well, I hope you guys are right and I'm wrong about Knox, but I don't  
Ira : 6/21/2019 2:05 pm : link
see it.
RE: Well, I hope you guys are right and I'm wrong about Knox, but I don't  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14479246 Ira said:
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see it.


the kid is 19 it is called patience, is he a surefire player? no but calling him a terrible pick after 1 year is ridiculous
I think you need determination and confidence to be great.  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 2:10 pm : link
You need to hate to lose, and also need to KNOW you're gonna make the shot or whatever play needs to be made.

I'd like to see more of that from Knox. We'll see.
RE: Frank will be a 3 and D guy  
Strahan91 : 6/21/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14479215 Vanzetti said:
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Perfect complement to Durant if they can also sign another elite free agent.

He shot under 30% from 3 last year. Not sure where that 3 in 3 and D is coming from. Also worth noting, Frank doesn't want to play the 2. He wants to be a 1 and was sulking last season when the Knicks tried him in other roles.
RE: I think you need determination and confidence to be great.  
ChaChing : 6/21/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14479253 yatqb said:
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You need to hate to lose, and also need to KNOW you're gonna make the shot or whatever play needs to be made.

I'd like to see more of that from Knox. We'll see.

True. I think he hung his head a bit, lost some confidence at times. That's certainly a little concerning

But way too soon to give up. Coaching & teammates can help, and RJ & Iggy apparently do not lack confidence so maybe that rubs off. Iirc he was expected to be a bit of a project, no? Start w/ SL in a few weeks, hopefully he's done some work this offseason, see where he's at and give him time
Dailynews was not invited to the presser today  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 2:25 pm : link
amd effectively banned from covering the team
Dolan being Dolan. The league should step in and demand that  
yatqb : 6/21/2019 2:29 pm : link
the Knicks give access to all media equally. This has got to stop.

RE: Dailynews was not invited to the presser today  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14479268 nygiants16 said:
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amd effectively banned from covering the team


Dolan doing his best you-know-who impression, though Isola really is a dickhead
.  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 2:30 pm : link
G Dennis Smith Jr. (21)
G RJ Barrett (19)
F Kevin Knox (19)
F Iggy Brazdeikis (20)
C Mitchell Robinson (21)

G Frank Ntilikina (20)
G Allonzo Trier (23)
G Damyean Dotson (25)
F Henry Ellenson (22)

They average 21.11 years old.
I am not saying RJ  
Pep22 : 6/21/2019 2:30 pm : link
solves this problem all by himself but it will be nice to have a player who has a better than average ability to facilitate for others relative to guys at his position. Its so discouraging to think about how many guys they've had that fell way below average in this area and because of it there have been so few easy scoring opportunities for the guys viewed as scorers, be it KP, Knox, THJ etc. -- of course, those three presented problems for teammates for the same reason.
You can bet your ass  
Canton : 6/21/2019 2:32 pm : link
Iggy & RJB will be in the gym for hours, getting reacquainted, and rekindling their past chemistry together.

Can't wait to see what they do in summer league.
I don't think the Knicks can ban them from games and practices  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2019 2:32 pm : link
per league rules, but press conferences like today that the Knicks host on their own are a different story - they can invite whom they wish.
RE: Dolan being Dolan. The league should step in and demand that  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14479271 yatqb said:
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the Knicks give access to all media equally. This has got to stop.


not defending dolan, but if you do not want to be treated like a tabloid, dont write and act like a tabloid
RE: .  
TyreeHelmet : 6/21/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14479273 Anakim said:
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G Dennis Smith Jr. (21)
G RJ Barrett (19)
F Kevin Knox (19)
F Iggy Brazdeikis (20)
C Mitchell Robinson (21)

G Frank Ntilikina (20)
G Allonzo Trier (23)
G Damyean Dotson (25)
F Henry Ellenson (22)

They average 21.11 years old.


They need to sign some vets to add to this group. Any free agents you guys would target on short deals ( ideally 1 plus team option)? Even if its an overpay for a year? Any possible RFA that could be had?
It's amazing how one star can change a lineup:  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2019 2:50 pm : link

Dennis Smith Jr.
RJ Barrett
Kevin Knox
Kawhi Leonard
Mitchell Robinson

That team is a playoff contender and a whole lot of fun to watch.
I can't believe the hate for Knox  
Chris L. : 6/21/2019 3:01 pm : link
Calipari said last year it would take him three years. During the summer on MSG he asked if he was shaving yet. Give the guy some time. When he gets stronger you are going to see the things you saw in summer league at the big league level. I love that the Knicks drafted for the end game and the high ceiling not the high floor guy.
To call  
PaulN : 6/21/2019 3:08 pm : link
An 18 year old rookie who averaged 12.8/4.5 a wasted pick is moronic.
To call  
PaulN : 6/21/2019 3:08 pm : link
An 18 year old rookie who averaged 12.8/4.5 a wasted pick is moronic.
knox is part of the usual  
Italianju : 6/21/2019 3:18 pm : link
situation in the NBA.

Kid gets drafted - "He is raw, young, will need a couple years to develop"

After one year - "He stinks, cant do X, Y, or Z, Wasted pick"
.  
Anakim : 6/21/2019 3:42 pm : link
@WindhorstESPN:

“I know DeAndre Jordan is a guy on the Lakers' radar that they're hoping they may able to get for relatively cheap because he wants to be back in LA”
I dont have a college loyalty  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/21/2019 3:43 pm : link
But is anyone really going to claim emotional response to mercenaries who played one year in a Duke uniform? This isnt Laettner and Battier waving Duke flags and hitting big shots against your alma matter for 4 years. Coach K just got tired of losing the top talent to Kentucky and loosened up his "Duke Filter".
While it seems like the Knicks aren’t feeling too  
Strahan91 : 6/21/2019 3:43 pm : link
good about their FA chances anymore, this is still reassuring to read
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RE: RE: Dailynews was not invited to the presser today  
TheMick7 : 6/21/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14479272 Anakim said:
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amd effectively banned from covering the team



Dolan doing his best you-know-who impression, though Isola really is a dickhead


Isola is no longer w/The NYDN He now writes for The Athletic Stefan Bondy covers the Knicks for The NYDN.
windhorst and perkins claim  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 4:07 pm : link
nets are frontrunners for durant...
Yeah  
Jon in NYC : 6/21/2019 4:09 pm : link
looking like Irving and Durant to the Nets.
not going to lie  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 4:09 pm : link
even with durants injury, its going to sting if he and irving go to the nets after all season hype
Knicks vs pelicans july 5th 930 espn  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 4:15 pm : link
..
RE: windhorst and perkins claim  
slickwilly : 6/21/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14479384 nygiants16 said:
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nets are frontrunners for durant...

Where did you see them say that?
B-B-B-Billups getting killed for his brutal comps last night  
ChaChing : 6/21/2019 4:28 pm : link
go figure

Bruce Arthur
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@bruce_arthur
Chauncey Billups just seriously compared R.J. Barrett to Chicago Jalen Rose AND said R.J. is a two-way player. In the same sentence!

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RE: RE: windhorst and perkins claim  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14479407 slickwilly said:
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nets are frontrunners for durant...


Where did you see them say that?


the jump
That segment on The Jump  
slickwilly : 6/21/2019 4:33 pm : link
was pure speculation if that was what you are referring to. These guys have no clue at this point and change what their sources are telling them every other day.
RE: That segment on The Jump  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14479415 slickwilly said:
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was pure speculation if that was what you are referring to. These guys have no clue at this point and change what their sources are telling them every other day.


you realize kendricknperkins is one of durants good friends, if he is saying it probably true
RE: RE: That segment on The Jump  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/21/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14479416 nygiants16 said:
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was pure speculation if that was what you are referring to. These guys have no clue at this point and change what their sources are telling them every other day.



you realize kendricknperkins is one of durants good friends, if he is saying it probably true



He's paid to say stuff.

What's probably more true is that Kevin Durant just had his life upended and is more focused on getting that full leg cast off. He's going to meet with teams and make a decision. Nobody knows what's going to happen.
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