On The Jump Lebrons media guy and the ex-player said that there are many in the league now who believe Durant joins his buddy Irving and heads to the Nets.
Wonder if at that point the Nets become #1 in the NYC market and Knicks become yesterdays news?
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again happy for the nets fans on this board and i hopenknicks build a good team while irving and durant are there so we can have some fun games
depends on what the knicks do in free agency
That may be true within the area, but from an outsider's perspective the Knicks have been a joke for quite some time. I look at the Knicks like any other floundering franchise. Hopefully with Knox, Barrett and whoever else they add to the nucleus they will be able to shift the tide.
I'll agree that the Nets success wouldn't knock the Knicks out of the lime light because there's way too much history. Heck the same is true with the Lakers and Clippers. LA will always be Laker-land.
He doesn't seem like a big city, big market guy. I don't see him coming to NY.
Clippers seem like a much more likely landing spot for him if he leaves Toronto.
Hes going to the Clips.
Id be more concerned about this if it was 2 weeks ago
For the Nets to overtake the Knicks, it would require decades of futility by the Knicks and a similar period of success for the Nets. You look at the Devils vs the Rangers, where for a good 10 years, the Devils were the top team in the area and the Rangers were the near-constant fuckups. What happened if you had a younger generation of hockey fans being Devils fans instead of Rangers fans. Now, you would need numerous of these same instances to make a major shift of the most beloved teams in the area. Probably never going to actually happen. Same thing for the Nets vs. Knicks.
I expect Harris and Russell/Kyrie.
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NY is a basketball town. When the Yanks or Giants are bad there is a significant decrease in people's interest in them. MSG with a shitty team is basically sold out every night. Now years of being shitty will take its toll but the Nets will have their years when they are significantly better than us but more depends on how the Knicks perform. I don't see how the Nets will have any lasting effect compared to the Knicks.
That may be true within the area, but from an outsider's perspective the Knicks have been a joke for quite some time. I look at the Knicks like any other floundering franchise. Hopefully with Knox, Barrett and whoever else they add to the nucleus they will be able to shift the tide.
I'll agree that the Nets success wouldn't knock the Knicks out of the lime light because there's way too much history. Heck the same is true with the Lakers and Clippers. LA will always be Laker-land.
I grew up in NJ and I agree the Knicks will always have more fans than the Nets. However, I live in Park Slope Brooklyn now and see tons of more Nets stuff than the Knicks. It is actually rare to see any Knicks stuff (my kids might be the exception. Now maybe its because the Nets play close by; sure. But, the I see much more Rangers than Islanders stuff and the Isles also play in that building (or at least half the year they do). In addition, Brooklyn's population is exploding in numbers. If the Nets are good, they could easily get a strong following. Will it pass the Knicks? No. But Brooklyn in the last 10 years has basically approached Manhattan in visibility and stars from all over live in Park Slope, Williamsburg,Brooklyn Heights, downtown Brooklyn, Cobble Hill--all areas that surround the Barclays Center. In fact, I would argue that the epicenter of NYC right now in terms of cultural influence and food etc is lower Manhattan and the areas on the other side of the River in Brooklyn. I am not saying KD or any other NBA star holds this opinion, but there is this general feeling that Brooklyn feels new and fresh while Manhattan feels outdated. How that will translate to the Borough's only sports team, I am not sure. It is worth noting though.
I expect Harris and Russell/Kyrie.
If theyre not getting another star, Id just as soon keep D-Lo and not sign Kylie. With another star, his personality isnt as much of a distraction. If hes the main guy, I worry he will be. That and his knees.
Because for the last however many years, the Knicks have been a clinic is a fucked up front office and ownership model. James Dolan, Isaiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, etc. Right now, the only things the Knicks have going for them are "We're the Knicks" and "We play at MSG." The Nets, meanwhile, recovered from the disastrous Garnett/Pierce trade to go from laughing stock to playoff team without having any control over their own first round pick during that time. Marks gives the perception that the Nets' front office knows what it's doing.
Like other net fans I'm still not counting on this specific outcome, but I do think Marks knows he's going to have options in FA. Even just landing Horford or Harris would be great. Part of me might even prefer that to just go 1 step at a time and then save money for a final piece next year (like Porzingas). The top 7 guys in the rotation on the roster right now are all in their early 20's, they fit the system, and all are capable of starting in the NBA. Musa + Claxton are interesting prospects. Just keep building.
Last thing - I don't think any Net fan gives 2 shits if they "take over NY". If they win I don't care who has more prestige. If I was a Devil fan in the 90's/00's I wouldn't have cared that nobody cared, I would have loved winning. As a Met I know we will never be the Yankees but it doesn't matter. Just win.
Because its the NBA and they can market the fuck out of it, its still NY.
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He doesn't seem like a big city, big market guy. I don't see him coming to NY.
Clippers seem like a much more likely landing spot for him if he leaves Toronto.
Dont know why this made me chuckle. Kawhi isnt a big city, market guy. I think hes going to the little town called Los Angeles if he leaves.
LOL its always a Yankees town, dont kid yourself.
At least knick fans have that to fall back on?
I'm guessing majority of net fans prefer watching good basketball on the court than 'bragging rights'
We're 3 decade's ago news.
PS: couldnt care less about which team is No. 1 in NYC. Thats all media-driven hype and nothing else.
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NY is a basketball town. When the Yanks or Giants are bad there is a significant decrease in people's interest in them. MSG with a shitty team is basically sold out every night. Now years of being shitty will take its toll but the Nets will have their years when they are significantly better than us but more depends on how the Knicks perform. I don't see how the Nets will have any lasting effect compared to the Knicks.
That may be true within the area, but from an outsider's perspective the Knicks have been a joke for quite some time. I look at the Knicks like any other floundering franchise. Hopefully with Knox, Barrett and whoever else they add to the nucleus they will be able to shift the tide.
I'll agree that the Nets success wouldn't knock the Knicks out of the lime light because there's way too much history. Heck the same is true with the Lakers and Clippers. LA will always be Laker-land.
I grew up in NJ and I agree the Knicks will always have more fans than the Nets. However, I live in Park Slope Brooklyn now and see tons of more Nets stuff than the Knicks. It is actually rare to see any Knicks stuff (my kids might be the exception. Now maybe its because the Nets play close by; sure. But, the I see much more Rangers than Islanders stuff and the Isles also play in that building (or at least half the year they do). In addition, Brooklyn's population is exploding in numbers. If the Nets are good, they could easily get a strong following. Will it pass the Knicks? No. But Brooklyn in the last 10 years has basically approached Manhattan in visibility and stars from all over live in Park Slope, Williamsburg,Brooklyn Heights, downtown Brooklyn, Cobble Hill--all areas that surround the Barclays Center. In fact, I would argue that the epicenter of NYC right now in terms of cultural influence and food etc is lower Manhattan and the areas on the other side of the River in Brooklyn. I am not saying KD or any other NBA star holds this opinion, but there is this general feeling that Brooklyn feels new and fresh while Manhattan feels outdated. How that will translate to the Borough's only sports team, I am not sure. It is worth noting though.
Isn't the NYC population decreasing?
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KD I would have loved on the Knicks but the injury changed things for me and I wish him well. The Knicks are not getting the free agent white knights this summer, just make your peace with it. I am fine watching the kids.
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Regarding Kyrie/KD to the Nets:
- Spoke to folks today who said it's still unlikely.
- Still believes Kyrie/Butler is the pairing in Brooklyn.
- Referenced KD's quote, "I can't be recruited" in reference to Kyrie talking KD into joining him - KD doesn't want it to seem he's following someone.
- Most importantly, he said there's been a lot of noise, but "not coming from Woj." Obviously Woj knows all, but the way he said it implied Woj is plugged into the Nets in particular. If this was happening, he'd be saying it.
Regarding Kawhi's interest in the Knicks:
- Spurs told Kawhi they wouldn't give him the supermax, and that's where the trouble began.
- Toronto can give him the max, but not a supermax.
- This is where the Knicks come in: they can still offer the most earning power off the court.
- Kawhi is all about the money right now - not that he's gonna put his feet up once he gets paid, but he and his people want to put down roots and cash in.
- He followed up on Michael Kay's insight yesterday on sneaker sales. Kawhi wears New Balance, but few people do. One-third of all sneakers in the world are sold in NYC - Kawhi can sell sneakers here and not have to do commercials, which he tries to avoid.
- Knicks pitch should and will include business. (Side note: These are my thoughts, but this is probably why reports surfaced of the Clips not liking the emergence of the Knicks - they know they're at a disadvantage business-wise).
Finally, Hahn emphasized that KD is still top priority for the Knicks, and will be made to feel that way 6/30.
Better than the Garden? I'm guessing you haven't been to the Garden in at least 10 years.
Thats not entirely true unless you meant the Kyrie + KD stuff. Woj has said numerous times that Brooklyn and Kyrie have a lot of mutual interest. Of course, he was also the first to say that the Nets arent convinced Kyrie alone makes sense.
On Zach Lowes podcast today with Bobby Marks and Givony they reiterated this too. They also said theres debate in the Nets FO whether Kyrie would even make sense over Russell if it was Kyrie + Butler, Harris, etc since Kyrie would be option 1, not second fiddle. They agreed though that when all is said and done theyd probably still sign Kyrie if he wanted to come no matter who else did because its a hard thing to turn down given what it would mean to the franchise that a big name star wanted to play there.
All that stuff is fan and journalist crap.
I dont fully agree with this. I think all teams have some idea but people change their minds and those in players inner circles may have other agendas. Also, lets say a team thinks they have a 45% chance at signing Kawhi for arguments sake. Opening up cap space to take that shot is absolutely the right decision even if you strike out. Its a league dominated mainly by a handful of players. Anytime you have half decent odds at landing one of them you take your chance and give it your best shot.
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I dont fully agree with this. I think all teams have some idea but people change their minds and those in players inner circles may have other agendas. Also, lets say a team thinks they have a 45% chance at signing Kawhi for arguments sake. Opening up cap space to take that shot is absolutely the right decision even if you strike out. Its a league dominated mainly by a handful of players. Anytime you have half decent odds at landing one of them you take your chance and give it your best shot.
i get that but trading 2 forst round picks to clear an expiring, they know something...they traded out of their first round pick last night to save money as well...