He’s in the midst of a non-sensical, bitter ex girlfriend multi tweet rant. Again. Gettleman getting a first, third and peppers for this clown will down as an all time great move. Getting off the titanic before it hit the iceberg
because I don't get what anyone is talking about here. I can't figure out in any of those tweets (and I honestly can't follow the strings either) where he's ranting about us. I can't find a mention of the Giants or Gettleman.
I think that is going to be one toxic team after a couple of losses. You think it was bad here the past two years? Watch when Landry, Beckham, Mayfield, Chubb and Hunt struggle.
It also says something when Landry and Beckham are among the top of their position and each is now on their second team.
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
Hell, I mostly avoid commenting about the team in general. I find the pom-pom waving over a few practices to be ridiculous, personally, and the elevation of completely unproven players to "solid starters" and "budding stars" to be laughable. I don't think much of the job Gettleman is doing, but until the rubber meets the road there isn't much to say except speculation and wild guesses - and that goes for both sides of the argument.
In these threads started by people who want to continue to whine Â
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
well I guess I "defend" him where I see fit. But to be one of the handful of people calling this a non story, or supplying some context around the "Baker has a strong arm" story hardly puts me into jilted lover category in my opinion.
takes shot at the team, players, and management for no reason only for the sole reason because he is the one who is truly jilted, its going to be news. And yes there are a lot of posters here who are claiming victory for being right about his immaturity and selfishness.
But it is the slow part of the year and anything makes news now. But if you need to be critical of posters who are excited about the young players or the direction of the franchise thats your problem. Some people jut like to enjoy football, you just like to be miserable.
if the GIants let Beckham go because he was "exhausting" Â
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
Can it be argued that many teams got rid of their star WR because of the problems he presented...
Brown
Moss
Owens
Beckham
Then others like Dez, Ocho Cinco, etc.... who were clearly a distraction on their teams until they fell off a cliff.
Hell, I mostly avoid commenting about the team in general. I find the pom-pom waving over a few practices to be ridiculous, personally, and the elevation of completely unproven players to "solid starters" and "budding stars" to be laughable. I don't think much of the job Gettleman is doing, but until the rubber meets the road there isn't much to say except speculation and wild guesses - and that goes for both sides of the argument.
It's a football site during the offseason. Right or wrong, developments from Spring workouts are going to be written about.
I don't agree with you that the Spring workouts are meaningless, but obviously the true test comes when the pads are put on and people can start hitting each other. Unfortunately, there is fewer and fewer of that at training camp now too.
but I don't do it blindly. I am aware of his flaws.
To pat myself on the back, I started a thread before the famous carolina game worried that he wouldn't be able to keep his cool facing off against courtland finnigan.
In the end his actions were way worse than I predicted and Finnigan ended up having nothing to do with it, but I think its a good example of how I believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
Moss, Owens, and Brown, there seems to be a bit of a difference.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
It's funny because the trade was best for both parties. Â
We sucked while Odell was here, most of that way out of his control. We traded him for a good haul, got younger, got cheaper. We traded Odell because as a team we are in no position to have a 20 million dollar receiver, who can be a pain in the ass if the team isn't winning. Odell got traded to a team that is ready to compete. Lots of the haters are just looking for a scapegoat to place all their frustrations on. We did not suck because of him while he was here, but we had a losing culture while he was here and moving on from him was the right decision
The trade at the of it was to get more pieces, get younger, get cheaper, and financially balance out the roster as we were very top heavy. This is why our roster sucked. We traded away everything that had any value outside of JJ. Apple was included because the Saints were dumb enough to give us a pick from him and they had a desperate need. If DG could get the haul for Eli that he got for Odell and he didn't have a NTC he would have done it in a heartbeat.
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
You are playing Madden. Where personalities doesn't affect the team. I am going to wait for Madden to add a feature in where if a player is immature and always causing issues in the media it hurts your team... because that is what it does. Then people will understand more because it is in Madden.
Hell, I mostly avoid commenting about the team in general. I find the pom-pom waving over a few practices to be ridiculous, personally, and the elevation of completely unproven players to "solid starters" and "budding stars" to be laughable. I don't think much of the job Gettleman is doing, but until the rubber meets the road there isn't much to say except speculation and wild guesses - and that goes for both sides of the argument.
If we have to wait and see, how is it even possible "not to think much of what DG is doing"? More likely, one would not think about it at all, considering that there is nothing (yet) to think upon.
The problem is with fans that still see bjr as relevant to the giants. He is an emotional guy who created expectations (right or wrong) with some amazing games. Considering he didn't leave NYG in an honorable way (as in the FO, some of the coaches and players perhaps wanted to part ways) emotion is more intense from the player and from the fans, both who wanted him to stay, and those that wanted him to leave. It's certainly understandable that fans and the player haven't got over the way the relationship ended.
I would say if you're tired of the "Odell check-in threads" and are incapable of controlling yourself from complaining then I'd say pass them by.
Moss, Owens, and Brown, there seems to be a bit of a difference.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Beckham didnt dog it on the field (but the rumors about the last 4 games of the year seem to be catching steam). But he showed up his QB, coaches, and obviously management when he could. If OBJ was on another team, we would all be saying he has the same qualities as those other players.
The guy was a diva, and even though he wanted to win - there was a lot of me first in him. Whats interesting was the year he finally had another superstar on him was irionically where he came more vocal about not being happy.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
I'm a big time Celtic fan. And as much as I love and respect Kyrie, you can see that sometimes even greatness doesn't lead to success. I think the total not always being equal to the sum of its parts is an unappreciated concept sometimes.
If we have to wait and see, how is it even possible "not to think much of what DG is doing"? More likely, one would not think about it at all, considering that there is nothing (yet) to think upon.
We all have our gut feelings, but until there's something to base them on, that's all they are.
bringing up his maturity and self control issues when everyone else was still in full bloom love with him Link - ( New Window )
lol, that was 4 years ago. That doesnt make you unbias or objective whatsoever. I am sure there are times where I said Eli played bad - I guess that makes me objective!!!!!!
Face it.... you defend OBJ to the highest degree. Its ok. Just weird you still do it when he isnt on the team though....
I never once stated that player personalities can't affect the team. That's the case for any group dynamic.
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
I think he was more bothered by running in the end zone alone (as in the JAX game) multiple times and not getting the ball. As he said the other day, he felt he wasn't being used up to his full potential (paraphrasing).
I loved Odell and wish he was still on the team. I follow him on Twitter and IG, although that doesn't mean much. However, I cannot understand the obsession of examining/parsing his Tweets, IG posts, and any comments to the media by Giants fans who supposedly didn't like him or are glad to be rid of him. It borders on stalking an ex-girlfriend online. I'd tell Ned in Atlanta and whoever else to JUST LET IT GO.
To me it seems like following anyone on twitter (like him or not) Â
I never once stated that player personalities can't affect the team. That's the case for any group dynamic.
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
And the lack of effort as part of the "hands" team, and the 4 games he missed at the end of last year with an injury that was a "week to week contusion".
He issues were largely "off the field" because he chose to take himself off it...
PaulBlake its not like you to be so obtuse. Even demonstrating frustration on the sideline when not getting the ball is clearly "on the field" behavior. OBJ crossed that line numerous times, and ignoring that is pretending a false narrative.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
Something that I think a lot of people are ignoring Â
is that the OBJ that we traded was not the OBJ who was the most electric player in the NFL in past years. After his injury, his game changed. He didn't break short passes for huge gains anymore. He stepped out of bounds rather than extending plays. He made business decisions to avoid contact. And he sat out the last four games of the season with a bruise.
A BRUISE.
Still a heck of a receiver. But he was not the same player in 2018 that he had been in the past. Maybe he will revert to form with Cleveland. Maybe not. But let's not pretend that the OBJ that the Giants traded away for an impressive haul of younger, cheaper talent was the best WR in the NFL. He hasn't been that in a long time -- if ever.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
Do you think they lost the Washington game because of Odell's antics or supposed lack of effort as opposed to Manning/Will Tye turnover in the end zone or Shane Vereen's fumble on their final possession? Do you actually believe they lost on the road back to back weeks to a really good defensive team in Minnesota and a playoff team in Green Bay because of backlash and distraction? The Giants had the second best record in the NFC that year... they must've done a good job handling all of that distraction and backlash.
Moss, Owens, and Brown, there seems to be a bit of a difference.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Just want to be contrary. There is visual evidence of him not giving his all on an onside kick. He quit on the team by not playing the last four games of the season when he was able to. He gave that interview where he pretty much blatantly said he wasn’t happy with where he was and threw his QB under the bus as well as reports that he wasn’t happy playing with Eli. He can’t keep his emotions in check and it greatly affects his play on the field.
I’m unsure of it at the moment but I think the ankle injury took away his extra ‘burst’ that made him special, he didn’t seem right last season. It’s either the injury or his emotions from losing/poor offense taking away his extra effort. He went from looking like one of the greatest ever to just ‘really good’ past season. If he really lost a bit because of his ankle injury then he is absolutely not worth $20 million/year. If not for Barkley, I think they would’ve kept him, Barkley made him expendable and the team needed the resources to improve.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
To me there were distractions and backlash when Shockey was here while being a good football team.
Shockey was bad for our offensive chemistry. There is an ex offensive lineman who testified to that. He specifically said once Shockey left, Eli flourished.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
Actually the team won 11 games that year. May have won more if OBJ wasn't fighting with a net and the backlash it presented. I mean clearly if you take out the net game and the two that followed where there was so much drama over it... we went 11-2 in all other games.
and off field BS. He will never play like he played for us in his first contract. Keep the wild ones as far as I am concerned. Great move by DG getting all that cap money and players for a very talented "look at me" primadona. MO. There will be no third contract for him IMO.
Here's a review...
Odell Beckham suddenly has new take on Giants drama - ( New Window )
Really? Then why is the "ODELL IS BAD GUY!!!" crew the one who is constantly posting about him? Do you ever see me or Paul starting threads about him?
I think that is going to be one toxic team after a couple of losses. You think it was bad here the past two years? Watch when Landry, Beckham, Mayfield, Chubb and Hunt struggle.
It also says something when Landry and Beckham are among the top of their position and each is now on their second team.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
After every good game, the "Gettleman is an idiot, the Giants are morons" threads will come out.
After every meltdown/game not played, the "Gettleman is brilliant, the Giants were smart to dump him when they did" threads will come out.
As I said a few weeks ago, if anyone doesn't like the Beckham threads, they should stay off. But they attract posters like honey.
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that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
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that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Really? Then why is the "ODELL IS BAD GUY!!!" crew the one who is constantly posting about him? Do you ever see me or Paul starting threads about him?
I see a lot of his defenders defend him in these threads.
Spot on Greg.
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that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
well I guess I "defend" him where I see fit. But to be one of the handful of people calling this a non story, or supplying some context around the "Baker has a strong arm" story hardly puts me into jilted lover category in my opinion.
But it is the slow part of the year and anything makes news now. But if you need to be critical of posters who are excited about the young players or the direction of the franchise thats your problem. Some people jut like to enjoy football, you just like to be miserable.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
Can it be argued that many teams got rid of their star WR because of the problems he presented...
Brown
Moss
Owens
Beckham
Then others like Dez, Ocho Cinco, etc.... who were clearly a distraction on their teams until they fell off a cliff.
It's a football site during the offseason. Right or wrong, developments from Spring workouts are going to be written about.
I don't agree with you that the Spring workouts are meaningless, but obviously the true test comes when the pads are put on and people can start hitting each other. Unfortunately, there is fewer and fewer of that at training camp now too.
To pat myself on the back, I started a thread before the famous carolina game worried that he wouldn't be able to keep his cool facing off against courtland finnigan.
In the end his actions were way worse than I predicted and Finnigan ended up having nothing to do with it, but I think its a good example of how I believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. I am going to use that line when I defend Eli next time.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
The trade at the of it was to get more pieces, get younger, get cheaper, and financially balance out the roster as we were very top heavy. This is why our roster sucked. We traded away everything that had any value outside of JJ. Apple was included because the Saints were dumb enough to give us a pick from him and they had a desperate need. If DG could get the haul for Eli that he got for Odell and he didn't have a NTC he would have done it in a heartbeat.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
You are playing Madden. Where personalities doesn't affect the team. I am going to wait for Madden to add a feature in where if a player is immature and always causing issues in the media it hurts your team... because that is what it does. Then people will understand more because it is in Madden.
If we have to wait and see, how is it even possible "not to think much of what DG is doing"? More likely, one would not think about it at all, considering that there is nothing (yet) to think upon.
I would say if you're tired of the "Odell check-in threads" and are incapable of controlling yourself from complaining then I'd say pass them by.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Beckham didnt dog it on the field (but the rumors about the last 4 games of the year seem to be catching steam). But he showed up his QB, coaches, and obviously management when he could. If OBJ was on another team, we would all be saying he has the same qualities as those other players.
The guy was a diva, and even though he wanted to win - there was a lot of me first in him. Whats interesting was the year he finally had another superstar on him was irionically where he came more vocal about not being happy.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
I'm a big time Celtic fan. And as much as I love and respect Kyrie, you can see that sometimes even greatness doesn't lead to success. I think the total not always being equal to the sum of its parts is an unappreciated concept sometimes.
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bI believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. I am going to use that line when I defend Eli next time.
We all have our gut feelings, but until there's something to base them on, that's all they are.
lol, that was 4 years ago. That doesnt make you unbias or objective whatsoever. I am sure there are times where I said Eli played bad - I guess that makes me objective!!!!!!
Face it.... you defend OBJ to the highest degree. Its ok. Just weird you still do it when he isnt on the team though....
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
I think he was more bothered by running in the end zone alone (as in the JAX game) multiple times and not getting the ball. As he said the other day, he felt he wasn't being used up to his full potential (paraphrasing).
I loved Odell and wish he was still on the team. I follow him on Twitter and IG, although that doesn't mean much. However, I cannot understand the obsession of examining/parsing his Tweets, IG posts, and any comments to the media by Giants fans who supposedly didn't like him or are glad to be rid of him. It borders on stalking an ex-girlfriend online. I'd tell Ned in Atlanta and whoever else to JUST LET IT GO.
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bI believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. I am going to use that line when I defend Eli next time.
or when ron bashes him
I really don't bash Eli. Defending OBJ is not bashing Eli
Following people on Twitter isn't as immersive an experience as you're making it out to be.
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
And the lack of effort as part of the "hands" team, and the 4 games he missed at the end of last year with an injury that was a "week to week contusion".
He issues were largely "off the field" because he chose to take himself off it...
PaulBlake its not like you to be so obtuse. Even demonstrating frustration on the sideline when not getting the ball is clearly "on the field" behavior. OBJ crossed that line numerous times, and ignoring that is pretending a false narrative.
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See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
A BRUISE.
Still a heck of a receiver. But he was not the same player in 2018 that he had been in the past. Maybe he will revert to form with Cleveland. Maybe not. But let's not pretend that the OBJ that the Giants traded away for an impressive haul of younger, cheaper talent was the best WR in the NFL. He hasn't been that in a long time -- if ever.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
Do you think they lost the Washington game because of Odell's antics or supposed lack of effort as opposed to Manning/Will Tye turnover in the end zone or Shane Vereen's fumble on their final possession? Do you actually believe they lost on the road back to back weeks to a really good defensive team in Minnesota and a playoff team in Green Bay because of backlash and distraction? The Giants had the second best record in the NFC that year... they must've done a good job handling all of that distraction and backlash.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Just want to be contrary. There is visual evidence of him not giving his all on an onside kick. He quit on the team by not playing the last four games of the season when he was able to. He gave that interview where he pretty much blatantly said he wasn’t happy with where he was and threw his QB under the bus as well as reports that he wasn’t happy playing with Eli. He can’t keep his emotions in check and it greatly affects his play on the field.
I’m unsure of it at the moment but I think the ankle injury took away his extra ‘burst’ that made him special, he didn’t seem right last season. It’s either the injury or his emotions from losing/poor offense taking away his extra effort. He went from looking like one of the greatest ever to just ‘really good’ past season. If he really lost a bit because of his ankle injury then he is absolutely not worth $20 million/year. If not for Barkley, I think they would’ve kept him, Barkley made him expendable and the team needed the resources to improve.
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See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
Shockey was bad for our offensive chemistry. There is an ex offensive lineman who testified to that. He specifically said once Shockey left, Eli flourished.
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See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
Actually the team won 11 games that year. May have won more if OBJ wasn't fighting with a net and the backlash it presented. I mean clearly if you take out the net game and the two that followed where there was so much drama over it... we went 11-2 in all other games.
on playing good football.