He’s in the midst of a non-sensical, bitter ex girlfriend multi tweet rant. Again. Gettleman getting a first, third and peppers for this clown will down as an all time great move. Getting off the titanic before it hit the iceberg
This is why the relationship wasn’t sustainable. Odell might say that he’s all about the team but I’ve yet to see him turn down a chance to make it all about him.
He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
Yup. Better off without her. Until one night you run into her at a bar and she looks so hot and she is making out with some other guy, and you think to yourself, "Damn, why I did I break up with her."
He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
Yup. Better off without her. Until one night you run into her at a bar and she looks so hot and she is making out with some other guy, and you think to yourself, "Damn, why I did I break up with her."
If she's playing tonsils tag out in a bar, that's the last thing I would think.
He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
Yup. Better off without her. Until one night you run into her at a bar and she looks so hot and she is making out with some other guy, and you think to yourself, "Damn, why I did I break up with her."
That would be when you happen to watch one of his highlites on youtube
"He’s in the midst of a non-sensical, bitter ex girlfriend multi tweet rant. Again. Gettleman getting a first, third and peppers for this clown will down as an all time great move."
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
I’ve been applauding the move since the minute we made the deal. Not only is he a, drop the big ones first, me first, complain first , meltdown first kind of special but he has also played in only 14 of the last 32 games. So he’s also an injury first. But besides the injuries to a now 26 year old injury prone guy, drop big passes, complaining, look at me, mimicking a dog pissing on a fire hydrant, throw your qb and franchise under the bus at any minute kind a special He’s all those firsts and special before he is a team first , take it to the house first kind of special
Is he talented. .. yes. Getting Lawrence , peppers and the ability to trade a pick for Baker .. 2 of those players controlled by the club for 5 years for very reasonable/ cheap salary and one for 3 years at a reasonable/ cheap salary is an amazing deal and organization changer.
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons.
Awesome! lol
Meanwhile, the team won nothing with him (not all his fault). When we finally got a playoff appearance, he felt the need to focus by partying in Miami. Then, coming up small in the game itself.
"He’s in the midst of a non-sensical, bitter ex girlfriend multi tweet rant. Again. Gettleman getting a first, third and peppers for this clown will down as an all time great move."
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
He racked up those stats supposedly with the worst QB in generations throwing to him. Either he is amazing, or the quarterback is. Or they're both just good.
"He’s in the midst of a non-sensical, bitter ex girlfriend multi tweet rant. Again. Gettleman getting a first, third and peppers for this clown will down as an all time great move."
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
"He’s in the midst of a non-sensical, bitter ex girlfriend multi tweet rant. Again. Gettleman getting a first, third and peppers for this clown will down as an all time great move."
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
Keywords, when healthy. How often is that?
Cue the “well it’s eli’s Fault the one pass was bad” parade....
Talented, but not the personality you want to build your team around. NY sports has an identity, Knicks were built around Willis, Ewing, Oakley, Starks and Mason. Yanks around Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Petite. Giants around team first, otherworldly toughness of LT, Bavaro and Eli.
Yes it is. The one that really got me and I'm not sure it was an interview or on twitter was when he said he couldn't take the politics anymore and needed to get out. Like the trade was his idea and he was glad he's in Cleveland. Geez I remember the complete shock and disapointment from him when he found out he was traded. I think he's really trying to convince himself he's happy with the move.
me of a 17-year old girl who got dumped and won't let it go.
We have tons of ex hot girlfriend references to Odell. But perhaps the biggest one now, considering the # of games he's played, his effort on the hands team, and sitting the last 4 games of 2018 when his team was starting to hit its stride after a miserable first half...
He's most like the ex hot GF that spends an hour plus to get ready and makes everyone (including you, her BF) drool to be with her while out to dinner or on a date, and then she gets home and "isn't in the mood."
The batshit crazy stuff, heck I could live with that. The "I'm not in the mood tonight" that's the straw that breaks the camel's back.
It has hurt his pride that DG traded him. It has hurt his pride that the big apple shines brightly without him. It has hurt his pride that the Football Giants franchise isn't talking about the impact his nonpresence is having. It has hurt his pride that he has been rejected.
All his grandstanding, the new car with the Browns colors, his talking up Baker, to state a few, is a cover-up for his acceptance of the truth, Cleveland isn't New York City and New York City has moved on without him. In life, you pay a price for your actions and maturity is displayed by accepting the consequences of your expressed acts.
There is one important reality that OBJ has yet to acknowledge, he is not the special player he once was. The extra gear he had is no longer there, DG saw it last season coming to the realization that the production wasn't worth his shenanigans. Cleveland has had to deal with a missing person, while the Giants enthusiastic full participation.
A child cries out for attention to remain relevant, a man moves on embracing the opportunity of establishing his relevancy. I believe NYC was too much for his Big Easy mindset, worst is to come if Eli leads the Giants on a final run. No one player is above the team, an all-time great leads his team, some have been humbled by their words and actions being left in Eli's wake (Tiki and Shockey come to mind, taking a long time to recover). OBJ needs to learn, he who laughs last laughs best, up until now it has been one-sided.
Looking at the talent assembled heading into camp there is a reason for optimism. There is a wealth of young talent with strong veteran leadership. We hear the doubt of the pundits, how we lost OBJ so we have no Offense, OV no pass rush, Eli is finished, Collins, etc... All based on allegiance to past accomplishments, not recent excellence. I think there is more overall talent on this team since 2008. I think that the 2019 Giants are going to shock the league.
Gone are the malcontents who were paid as stars but refused to lead. The exception is Collins but the market value far superseded what the Giants franchise could afford. All the others were damaged goods who created dissension or couldn't stay on the field.
Its time for OBJ let go of the past and embrace his future growing unrestrained by his own words.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
You have a bizarre take. How is it not newsworthy when a former player takes shots at a team you are a fan of, and you expect thus fan not to have an opinion on an opinion board. We have had many former players move on with their lives an never utter a word about their former team. Thus there is no news in its coverage.
He has now several times unsolicited, revised falsely under the circumstances, in which he parted the NY Giants. He creates this narrative in which he has always been the aggrieved party. Although he leads the league as a WR in almost every category.
He was the most polarizing NY Giant player that has come through here since Shockey, and when he comments on social media about his form team and former "fans", you expect no reaction?
It has hurt his pride that DG traded him. It has hurt his pride that the big apple shines brightly without him. It has hurt his pride that the Football Giants franchise isn't talking about the impact his nonpresence is having. It has hurt his pride that he has been rejected.
All his grandstanding, the new car with the Browns colors, his talking up Baker, to state a few, is a cover-up for his acceptance of the truth, Cleveland isn't New York City and New York City has moved on without him. In life, you pay a price for your actions and maturity is displayed by accepting the consequences of your expressed acts.
There is one important reality that OBJ has yet to acknowledge, he is not the special player he once was. The extra gear he had is no longer there, DG saw it last season coming to the realization that the production wasn't worth his shenanigans. Cleveland has had to deal with a missing person, while the Giants enthusiastic full participation.
A child cries out for attention to remain relevant, a man moves on embracing the opportunity of establishing his relevancy. I believe NYC was too much for his Big Easy mindset, worst is to come if Eli leads the Giants on a final run. No one player is above the team, an all-time great leads his team, some have been humbled by their words and actions being left in Eli's wake (Tiki and Shockey come to mind, taking a long time to recover). OBJ needs to learn, he who laughs last laughs best, up until now it has been one-sided.
Looking at the talent assembled heading into camp there is a reason for optimism. There is a wealth of young talent with strong veteran leadership. We hear the doubt of the pundits, how we lost OBJ so we have no Offense, OV no pass rush, Eli is finished, Collins, etc... All based on allegiance to past accomplishments, not recent excellence. I think there is more overall talent on this team since 2008. I think that the 2019 Giants are going to shock the league.
Gone are the malcontents who were paid as stars but refused to lead. The exception is Collins but the market value far superseded what the Giants franchise could afford. All the others were damaged goods who created dissension or couldn't stay on the field.
Its time for OBJ let go of the past and embrace his future growing unrestrained by his own words.
Unfortunately, this is my take on the situation as well.
What is hysterical is his whole "twitter rant" really isn't much and Â
hasn't even been linked here. Some Giants fan was butthurt and said "we gave you a platform!" I mean the NFL gave him a platform, but I regress. He than says that he has nothing but love for the place, but he has moved on.
His biggest mistake is even responding at all, but there is a whole lot of nothing in those comments, but because it is Odell everything needs to be sensationalized. When I googled searched all the articles claimed this was a rant. His few follow up comments hardly qualify as a rant.
hasn't even been linked here. Some Giants fan was butthurt and said "we gave you a platform!" I mean the NFL gave him a platform, but I regress. He than says that he has nothing but love for the place, but he has moved on.
His biggest mistake is even responding at all, but there is a whole lot of nothing in those comments, but because it is Odell everything needs to be sensationalized. When I googled searched all the articles claimed this was a rant. His few follow up comments hardly qualify as a rant.
He keeps claiming he's moved on. It's clear he hasn't. And this on-again, off-again social media claim is indicative of his state of mind.
they ejected him to Cleveland. I am 100% convinced that if the Rams made the exact same type of offer the Giants wouldn't have traded him to LA or SF or Miami or anywhere else he would have wanted to go. They considered two trades. Cleveland and Buffalo. You decide.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
You have a bizarre take. How is it not newsworthy when a former player takes shots at a team you are a fan of, and you expect thus fan not to have an opinion on an opinion board. We have had many former players move on with their lives an never utter a word about their former team. Thus there is no news in its coverage.
He has now several times unsolicited, revised falsely under the circumstances, in which he parted the NY Giants. He creates this narrative in which he has always been the aggrieved party. Although he leads the league as a WR in almost every category.
He was the most polarizing NY Giant player that has come through here since Shockey, and when he comments on social media about his form team and former "fans", you expect no reaction?
It’s not a bizarre take, he’s right. Some giants fans need to let it go just as much as Odell. This last twitter “Rant” he didn’t even take shots at the Giants, yet you still have fans being upset and posting about it. Oddly enough the same fans who claim to dislike Odell, follow his every move on social media and can’t wait to talk about him.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
You have a bizarre take. How is it not newsworthy when a former player takes shots at a team you are a fan of, and you expect thus fan not to have an opinion on an opinion board. We have had many former players move on with their lives an never utter a word about their former team. Thus there is no news in its coverage.
He has now several times unsolicited, revised falsely under the circumstances, in which he parted the NY Giants. He creates this narrative in which he has always been the aggrieved party. Although he leads the league as a WR in almost every category.
He was the most polarizing NY Giant player that has come through here since Shockey, and when he comments on social media about his form team and former "fans", you expect no reaction?
It’s not a bizarre take, he’s right. Some giants fans need to let it go just as much as Odell. This last twitter “Rant” he didn’t even take shots at the Giants, yet you still have fans being upset and posting about it. Oddly enough the same fans who claim to dislike Odell, follow his every move on social media and can’t wait to talk about him.
This is not reality, we still talk about Shockey to this day. At this time we are in the midst of the most polarizing trade of our generation. I think it is natural there will be much discussion until the 2020 season concludes.
But I figure it would happen over something actually newsworthy. Like him actually bashing the Giants again or after he has a big game in Cleveland. Not Beckham posting on Twitter that “God gave me a platform”. Fans getting upset over that and taking it as some shot at the Giants, points to more of them issue than a Odell issue.
and its that kind of attitude that incentivizes him to continue to act like a scorned ex-lover. He has an inner circle telling him the same thing and so he feels entitled to tweet stupidness.
He seems to be a very neurotic person. But there's no reason for Â
Yeah, he stuck to his position, took a lot of shit for it, and graciously accepted all of the apologies that... oh wait, there weren't any such apologies.
The good, the bad...the inane. Used to be you'd read a story in a newspaper, or hear about it on the radio or on TV, and that was the end of it. You were rarely driven to take an any action, and even if you were it was most likely in the form of a letter to the editor. You might discuss it with friends at a bar or some sort of get-together...a party, a BBQ...or with co-workers around the old water cooler...but the discussion wouldn't travel very far. Now, everything - every little thing - merits a tweet or a Facebook post. Everyone has an opinion about everything, and they'll be damned if their opinion isn't heard by as many people as is technologically possible. For better or worse, the town square has gone global.
It's a brave new world.
It's also a perfect world for a character like OBJ, and I don't use the word "character" as a pejorative. Characters can build successful brands, and that's exactly what OBJ has done. It's all about exposure, about keeping the spotlight pointed directly at him. It doesn't matter if he's loved or hated, as long as he remains the topic of conversation.
It doesn't matter if he wins, either. It's nice, it helps, but it's not necessary, because his brand is tied to him alone, not to any team.
I'm happy Beckham is gone simply because the Giants needed to rebuild. Right thing for the team.
But let's not pretend like the Giants current and previous staff, current and previous management, and ownership shouldn't be a little shit on for not being able to create an environment where all kinds of players can succeed.
Parcells and Coughlin had all kinds of loudmouths, assholes, egomaniacs, and bad dudes on their championship teams.
Right now, on this team, somewhere there is an asshole ready to spring up when he succeeds.
That asshole might be DeAndre Baker, or Corey Coleman, or Dexter Lawrence -- and if it happens I hope the current regime actually has the skills to handle it.
It has hurt his pride that DG traded him. It has hurt his pride that the big apple shines brightly without him. It has hurt his pride that the Football Giants franchise isn't talking about the impact his nonpresence is having. It has hurt his pride that he has been rejected.
All his grandstanding, the new car with the Browns colors, his talking up Baker, to state a few, is a cover-up for his acceptance of the truth, Cleveland isn't New York City and New York City has moved on without him. In life, you pay a price for your actions and maturity is displayed by accepting the consequences of your expressed acts.
There is one important reality that OBJ has yet to acknowledge, he is not the special player he once was. The extra gear he had is no longer there, DG saw it last season coming to the realization that the production wasn't worth his shenanigans. Cleveland has had to deal with a missing person, while the Giants enthusiastic full participation.
A child cries out for attention to remain relevant, a man moves on embracing the opportunity of establishing his relevancy. I believe NYC was too much for his Big Easy mindset, worst is to come if Eli leads the Giants on a final run. No one player is above the team, an all-time great leads his team, some have been humbled by their words and actions being left in Eli's wake (Tiki and Shockey come to mind, taking a long time to recover). OBJ needs to learn, he who laughs last laughs best, up until now it has been one-sided.
Looking at the talent assembled heading into camp there is a reason for optimism. There is a wealth of young talent with strong veteran leadership. We hear the doubt of the pundits, how we lost OBJ so we have no Offense, OV no pass rush, Eli is finished, Collins, etc... All based on allegiance to past accomplishments, not recent excellence. I think there is more overall talent on this team since 2008. I think that the 2019 Giants are going to shock the league.
Gone are the malcontents who were paid as stars but refused to lead. The exception is Collins but the market value far superseded what the Giants franchise could afford. All the others were damaged goods who created dissension or couldn't stay on the field.
Its time for OBJ let go of the past and embrace his future growing unrestrained by his own words.
Fantastic player - no doubt about it. But, Terps definitely had the right foresight on this guy and took heaps of shit for calling it out way before most other people started to take notice or care about it. And that certainly includes me.
Definitely wishful thinking on my behalf thinking he'd change or grow up a bit. We've been so bad for quite a while and it's tough to want to ship off a player as good as he is when you know your team is lacking talent. But, at the end of the day, I'm confident Gettleman did the right thing and the Giants are going to be better for it going forward.
Barkley is the type of superstar you want. Beckham isn't.
on what he will do as a football player from the Browns. It's the off-season and he's being a non-football player right now.
Also, I didn't know about this "hiatus" or "meltdown" until OP decided that BBI needed a new thread about it.
So perhaps it's best if certain fans look inward and focus more on their own obsessions.
Except I do think it has an impact. It's exhausting. I don't think Odell was let go because he didn't play or practice hard or was a dick. I think they let him go because he was exhausting. There is always some kind of drama with him.
You'd think at this point he would be happy. He's supposedly gone from a now-perennial loser to a Super Bowl hopeful. He's playing with a better QB. He's playing with his best friend.
But do you get the sense he is happy? He sounds jilted. He's the one who can't seem to let it go.
I wish I understood Twitter better (actually I don't) Â
because I don't get what anyone is talking about here. I can't figure out in any of those tweets (and I honestly can't follow the strings either) where he's ranting about us. I can't find a mention of the Giants or Gettleman.
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
RE: I wish I understood Twitter better (actually I don't) Â
because I don't get what anyone is talking about here. I can't figure out in any of those tweets (and I honestly can't follow the strings either) where he's ranting about us. I can't find a mention of the Giants or Gettleman.
I think that is going to be one toxic team after a couple of losses. You think it was bad here the past two years? Watch when Landry, Beckham, Mayfield, Chubb and Hunt struggle.
It also says something when Landry and Beckham are among the top of their position and each is now on their second team.
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
Hell, I mostly avoid commenting about the team in general. I find the pom-pom waving over a few practices to be ridiculous, personally, and the elevation of completely unproven players to "solid starters" and "budding stars" to be laughable. I don't think much of the job Gettleman is doing, but until the rubber meets the road there isn't much to say except speculation and wild guesses - and that goes for both sides of the argument.
In these threads started by people who want to continue to whine Â
that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
well I guess I "defend" him where I see fit. But to be one of the handful of people calling this a non story, or supplying some context around the "Baker has a strong arm" story hardly puts me into jilted lover category in my opinion.
takes shot at the team, players, and management for no reason only for the sole reason because he is the one who is truly jilted, its going to be news. And yes there are a lot of posters here who are claiming victory for being right about his immaturity and selfishness.
But it is the slow part of the year and anything makes news now. But if you need to be critical of posters who are excited about the young players or the direction of the franchise thats your problem. Some people jut like to enjoy football, you just like to be miserable.
if the GIants let Beckham go because he was "exhausting" Â
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
Can it be argued that many teams got rid of their star WR because of the problems he presented...
Brown
Moss
Owens
Beckham
Then others like Dez, Ocho Cinco, etc.... who were clearly a distraction on their teams until they fell off a cliff.
Hell, I mostly avoid commenting about the team in general. I find the pom-pom waving over a few practices to be ridiculous, personally, and the elevation of completely unproven players to "solid starters" and "budding stars" to be laughable. I don't think much of the job Gettleman is doing, but until the rubber meets the road there isn't much to say except speculation and wild guesses - and that goes for both sides of the argument.
It's a football site during the offseason. Right or wrong, developments from Spring workouts are going to be written about.
I don't agree with you that the Spring workouts are meaningless, but obviously the true test comes when the pads are put on and people can start hitting each other. Unfortunately, there is fewer and fewer of that at training camp now too.
but I don't do it blindly. I am aware of his flaws.
To pat myself on the back, I started a thread before the famous carolina game worried that he wouldn't be able to keep his cool facing off against courtland finnigan.
In the end his actions were way worse than I predicted and Finnigan ended up having nothing to do with it, but I think its a good example of how I believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
Moss, Owens, and Brown, there seems to be a bit of a difference.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
It's funny because the trade was best for both parties. Â
We sucked while Odell was here, most of that way out of his control. We traded him for a good haul, got younger, got cheaper. We traded Odell because as a team we are in no position to have a 20 million dollar receiver, who can be a pain in the ass if the team isn't winning. Odell got traded to a team that is ready to compete. Lots of the haters are just looking for a scapegoat to place all their frustrations on. We did not suck because of him while he was here, but we had a losing culture while he was here and moving on from him was the right decision
The trade at the of it was to get more pieces, get younger, get cheaper, and financially balance out the roster as we were very top heavy. This is why our roster sucked. We traded away everything that had any value outside of JJ. Apple was included because the Saints were dumb enough to give us a pick from him and they had a desperate need. If DG could get the haul for Eli that he got for Odell and he didn't have a NTC he would have done it in a heartbeat.
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
You are playing Madden. Where personalities doesn't affect the team. I am going to wait for Madden to add a feature in where if a player is immature and always causing issues in the media it hurts your team... because that is what it does. Then people will understand more because it is in Madden.
Hell, I mostly avoid commenting about the team in general. I find the pom-pom waving over a few practices to be ridiculous, personally, and the elevation of completely unproven players to "solid starters" and "budding stars" to be laughable. I don't think much of the job Gettleman is doing, but until the rubber meets the road there isn't much to say except speculation and wild guesses - and that goes for both sides of the argument.
If we have to wait and see, how is it even possible "not to think much of what DG is doing"? More likely, one would not think about it at all, considering that there is nothing (yet) to think upon.
The problem is with fans that still see bjr as relevant to the giants. He is an emotional guy who created expectations (right or wrong) with some amazing games. Considering he didn't leave NYG in an honorable way (as in the FO, some of the coaches and players perhaps wanted to part ways) emotion is more intense from the player and from the fans, both who wanted him to stay, and those that wanted him to leave. It's certainly understandable that fans and the player haven't got over the way the relationship ended.
I would say if you're tired of the "Odell check-in threads" and are incapable of controlling yourself from complaining then I'd say pass them by.
Moss, Owens, and Brown, there seems to be a bit of a difference.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Beckham didnt dog it on the field (but the rumors about the last 4 games of the year seem to be catching steam). But he showed up his QB, coaches, and obviously management when he could. If OBJ was on another team, we would all be saying he has the same qualities as those other players.
The guy was a diva, and even though he wanted to win - there was a lot of me first in him. Whats interesting was the year he finally had another superstar on him was irionically where he came more vocal about not being happy.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
then the team should be embarrassed. The offense has been downright dreadful for the better part of a decade and they usher out one of the best skill players the franchise has ever seen because he's "exhausting?" Not because of his play on the field, not because of criminal conduct, not because his teammates don't like him--- but because he's exhausting due to him being an NFL wide receiver with an out-sized personality?
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
I'm a big time Celtic fan. And as much as I love and respect Kyrie, you can see that sometimes even greatness doesn't lead to success. I think the total not always being equal to the sum of its parts is an unappreciated concept sometimes.
If we have to wait and see, how is it even possible "not to think much of what DG is doing"? More likely, one would not think about it at all, considering that there is nothing (yet) to think upon.
We all have our gut feelings, but until there's something to base them on, that's all they are.
bringing up his maturity and self control issues when everyone else was still in full bloom love with him Link - ( New Window )
lol, that was 4 years ago. That doesnt make you unbias or objective whatsoever. I am sure there are times where I said Eli played bad - I guess that makes me objective!!!!!!
Face it.... you defend OBJ to the highest degree. Its ok. Just weird you still do it when he isnt on the team though....
I never once stated that player personalities can't affect the team. That's the case for any group dynamic.
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
I think he was more bothered by running in the end zone alone (as in the JAX game) multiple times and not getting the ball. As he said the other day, he felt he wasn't being used up to his full potential (paraphrasing).
I loved Odell and wish he was still on the team. I follow him on Twitter and IG, although that doesn't mean much. However, I cannot understand the obsession of examining/parsing his Tweets, IG posts, and any comments to the media by Giants fans who supposedly didn't like him or are glad to be rid of him. It borders on stalking an ex-girlfriend online. I'd tell Ned in Atlanta and whoever else to JUST LET IT GO.
To me it seems like following anyone on twitter (like him or not) Â
I never once stated that player personalities can't affect the team. That's the case for any group dynamic.
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
And the lack of effort as part of the "hands" team, and the 4 games he missed at the end of last year with an injury that was a "week to week contusion".
He issues were largely "off the field" because he chose to take himself off it...
PaulBlake its not like you to be so obtuse. Even demonstrating frustration on the sideline when not getting the ball is clearly "on the field" behavior. OBJ crossed that line numerous times, and ignoring that is pretending a false narrative.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
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is that the OBJ that we traded was not the OBJ who was the most electric player in the NFL in past years. After his injury, his game changed. He didn't break short passes for huge gains anymore. He stepped out of bounds rather than extending plays. He made business decisions to avoid contact. And he sat out the last four games of the season with a bruise.
A BRUISE.
Still a heck of a receiver. But he was not the same player in 2018 that he had been in the past. Maybe he will revert to form with Cleveland. Maybe not. But let's not pretend that the OBJ that the Giants traded away for an impressive haul of younger, cheaper talent was the best WR in the NFL. He hasn't been that in a long time -- if ever.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
Do you think they lost the Washington game because of Odell's antics or supposed lack of effort as opposed to Manning/Will Tye turnover in the end zone or Shane Vereen's fumble on their final possession? Do you actually believe they lost on the road back to back weeks to a really good defensive team in Minnesota and a playoff team in Green Bay because of backlash and distraction? The Giants had the second best record in the NFC that year... they must've done a good job handling all of that distraction and backlash.
Moss, Owens, and Brown, there seems to be a bit of a difference.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Just want to be contrary. There is visual evidence of him not giving his all on an onside kick. He quit on the team by not playing the last four games of the season when he was able to. He gave that interview where he pretty much blatantly said he wasn’t happy with where he was and threw his QB under the bus as well as reports that he wasn’t happy playing with Eli. He can’t keep his emotions in check and it greatly affects his play on the field.
I’m unsure of it at the moment but I think the ankle injury took away his extra ‘burst’ that made him special, he didn’t seem right last season. It’s either the injury or his emotions from losing/poor offense taking away his extra effort. He went from looking like one of the greatest ever to just ‘really good’ past season. If he really lost a bit because of his ankle injury then he is absolutely not worth $20 million/year. If not for Barkley, I think they would’ve kept him, Barkley made him expendable and the team needed the resources to improve.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
To me there were distractions and backlash when Shockey was here while being a good football team.
Shockey was bad for our offensive chemistry. There is an ex offensive lineman who testified to that. He specifically said once Shockey left, Eli flourished.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
Actually the team won 11 games that year. May have won more if OBJ wasn't fighting with a net and the backlash it presented. I mean clearly if you take out the net game and the two that followed where there was so much drama over it... we went 11-2 in all other games.
and off field BS. He will never play like he played for us in his first contract. Keep the wild ones as far as I am concerned. Great move by DG getting all that cap money and players for a very talented "look at me" primadona. MO. There will be no third contract for him IMO.
We need team players, not stat collectors.
He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
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But, he also still has the talent to go off for like 1500 yards and 12 TDS this year and all this drama no one would care about.
We need team players, not stat collectors.
He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
But for several months after the break up, you still jump at the chance to fork her...
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He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
Yup. Better off without her. Until one night you run into her at a bar and she looks so hot and she is making out with some other guy, and you think to yourself, "Damn, why I did I break up with her."
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He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
Yup. Better off without her. Until one night you run into her at a bar and she looks so hot and she is making out with some other guy, and you think to yourself, "Damn, why I did I break up with her."
If she's playing tonsils tag out in a bar, that's the last thing I would think.
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He is like the hot girlfriend who is a complete bitch with a lot of baggage. At some point, her looks are not that important anymore.
Yup. Better off without her. Until one night you run into her at a bar and she looks so hot and she is making out with some other guy, and you think to yourself, "Damn, why I did I break up with her."
That would be when you happen to watch one of his highlites on youtube
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
sour grapes.
But some think it in a Dana Carvey "Church Lady" kind of voice.
Is he talented. .. yes. Getting Lawrence , peppers and the ability to trade a pick for Baker .. 2 of those players controlled by the club for 5 years for very reasonable/ cheap salary and one for 3 years at a reasonable/ cheap salary is an amazing deal and organization changer.
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons.
Awesome! lol
Meanwhile, the team won nothing with him (not all his fault). When we finally got a playoff appearance, he felt the need to focus by partying in Miami. Then, coming up small in the game itself.
It's tough to persuade a young WR to put his body on the line on special teams when that example is being set.
This shit is just icing on the cake... but it does help me move on.
No one questions his awesome talent but I would never want a quitter on the Giants.
It's tough to persuade a young WR to put his body on the line on special teams when that example is being set.
This shit is just icing on the cake... but it does help me move on.
I am going to forgive that special teams play. My issue last year is when he quit the last 4 games.
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
He racked up those stats supposedly with the worst QB in generations throwing to him. Either he is amazing, or the quarterback is. Or they're both just good.
Yet, the majority of the sports media still thinks the Giants are clueless for trading him. It’s nuts.
But man, this is getting creepy.
Let it go Odell.
When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
Keywords, when healthy. How often is that?
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When healthy, he is the best receiver in the NFL. He compiled more yards and scored more touchdowns in his first three seasons than any other receiver in their first three seasons. If the Browns make the playoffs, it will be because of Beckham. Not saying the trade will not also work for the Giants, but Beckham is special.
Keywords, when healthy. How often is that?
Cue the “well it’s eli’s Fault the one pass was bad” parade....
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He quit on his team last year. That only ever gets easier to do after the first time.
It's tough to persuade a young WR to put his body on the line on special teams when that example is being set.
This shit is just icing on the cake... but it does help me move on.
I am going to forgive that special teams play. My issue last year is when he quit the last 4 games.
That's primarily what I'm talking about too but that business decision on the onside kick didn't help at all.
But man, this is getting creepy.
Let it go Odell.
Yes it is. The one that really got me and I'm not sure it was an interview or on twitter was when he said he couldn't take the politics anymore and needed to get out. Like the trade was his idea and he was glad he's in Cleveland. Geez I remember the complete shock and disapointment from him when he found out he was traded. I think he's really trying to convince himself he's happy with the move.
But man, this is getting creepy.
Let it go Odell.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
We have tons of ex hot girlfriend references to Odell. But perhaps the biggest one now, considering the # of games he's played, his effort on the hands team, and sitting the last 4 games of 2018 when his team was starting to hit its stride after a miserable first half...
He's most like the ex hot GF that spends an hour plus to get ready and makes everyone (including you, her BF) drool to be with her while out to dinner or on a date, and then she gets home and "isn't in the mood."
The batshit crazy stuff, heck I could live with that. The "I'm not in the mood tonight" that's the straw that breaks the camel's back.
All his grandstanding, the new car with the Browns colors, his talking up Baker, to state a few, is a cover-up for his acceptance of the truth, Cleveland isn't New York City and New York City has moved on without him. In life, you pay a price for your actions and maturity is displayed by accepting the consequences of your expressed acts.
There is one important reality that OBJ has yet to acknowledge, he is not the special player he once was. The extra gear he had is no longer there, DG saw it last season coming to the realization that the production wasn't worth his shenanigans. Cleveland has had to deal with a missing person, while the Giants enthusiastic full participation.
A child cries out for attention to remain relevant, a man moves on embracing the opportunity of establishing his relevancy. I believe NYC was too much for his Big Easy mindset, worst is to come if Eli leads the Giants on a final run. No one player is above the team, an all-time great leads his team, some have been humbled by their words and actions being left in Eli's wake (Tiki and Shockey come to mind, taking a long time to recover). OBJ needs to learn, he who laughs last laughs best, up until now it has been one-sided.
Looking at the talent assembled heading into camp there is a reason for optimism. There is a wealth of young talent with strong veteran leadership. We hear the doubt of the pundits, how we lost OBJ so we have no Offense, OV no pass rush, Eli is finished, Collins, etc... All based on allegiance to past accomplishments, not recent excellence. I think there is more overall talent on this team since 2008. I think that the 2019 Giants are going to shock the league.
Gone are the malcontents who were paid as stars but refused to lead. The exception is Collins but the market value far superseded what the Giants franchise could afford. All the others were damaged goods who created dissension or couldn't stay on the field.
Its time for OBJ let go of the past and embrace his future growing unrestrained by his own words.
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He still can go on and excel in Cleveland.
But man, this is getting creepy.
Let it go Odell.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
You have a bizarre take. How is it not newsworthy when a former player takes shots at a team you are a fan of, and you expect thus fan not to have an opinion on an opinion board. We have had many former players move on with their lives an never utter a word about their former team. Thus there is no news in its coverage.
He has now several times unsolicited, revised falsely under the circumstances, in which he parted the NY Giants. He creates this narrative in which he has always been the aggrieved party. Although he leads the league as a WR in almost every category.
He was the most polarizing NY Giant player that has come through here since Shockey, and when he comments on social media about his form team and former "fans", you expect no reaction?
All his grandstanding, the new car with the Browns colors, his talking up Baker, to state a few, is a cover-up for his acceptance of the truth, Cleveland isn't New York City and New York City has moved on without him. In life, you pay a price for your actions and maturity is displayed by accepting the consequences of your expressed acts.
There is one important reality that OBJ has yet to acknowledge, he is not the special player he once was. The extra gear he had is no longer there, DG saw it last season coming to the realization that the production wasn't worth his shenanigans. Cleveland has had to deal with a missing person, while the Giants enthusiastic full participation.
A child cries out for attention to remain relevant, a man moves on embracing the opportunity of establishing his relevancy. I believe NYC was too much for his Big Easy mindset, worst is to come if Eli leads the Giants on a final run. No one player is above the team, an all-time great leads his team, some have been humbled by their words and actions being left in Eli's wake (Tiki and Shockey come to mind, taking a long time to recover). OBJ needs to learn, he who laughs last laughs best, up until now it has been one-sided.
Looking at the talent assembled heading into camp there is a reason for optimism. There is a wealth of young talent with strong veteran leadership. We hear the doubt of the pundits, how we lost OBJ so we have no Offense, OV no pass rush, Eli is finished, Collins, etc... All based on allegiance to past accomplishments, not recent excellence. I think there is more overall talent on this team since 2008. I think that the 2019 Giants are going to shock the league.
Gone are the malcontents who were paid as stars but refused to lead. The exception is Collins but the market value far superseded what the Giants franchise could afford. All the others were damaged goods who created dissension or couldn't stay on the field.
Its time for OBJ let go of the past and embrace his future growing unrestrained by his own words.
Unfortunately, this is my take on the situation as well.
His biggest mistake is even responding at all, but there is a whole lot of nothing in those comments, but because it is Odell everything needs to be sensationalized. When I googled searched all the articles claimed this was a rant. His few follow up comments hardly qualify as a rant.
His biggest mistake is even responding at all, but there is a whole lot of nothing in those comments, but because it is Odell everything needs to be sensationalized. When I googled searched all the articles claimed this was a rant. His few follow up comments hardly qualify as a rant.
He keeps claiming he's moved on. It's clear he hasn't. And this on-again, off-again social media claim is indicative of his state of mind.
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He still can go on and excel in Cleveland.
But man, this is getting creepy.
Let it go Odell.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
You have a bizarre take. How is it not newsworthy when a former player takes shots at a team you are a fan of, and you expect thus fan not to have an opinion on an opinion board. We have had many former players move on with their lives an never utter a word about their former team. Thus there is no news in its coverage.
He has now several times unsolicited, revised falsely under the circumstances, in which he parted the NY Giants. He creates this narrative in which he has always been the aggrieved party. Although he leads the league as a WR in almost every category.
He was the most polarizing NY Giant player that has come through here since Shockey, and when he comments on social media about his form team and former "fans", you expect no reaction?
It’s not a bizarre take, he’s right. Some giants fans need to let it go just as much as Odell. This last twitter “Rant” he didn’t even take shots at the Giants, yet you still have fans being upset and posting about it. Oddly enough the same fans who claim to dislike Odell, follow his every move on social media and can’t wait to talk about him.
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He still can go on and excel in Cleveland.
But man, this is getting creepy.
Let it go Odell.
Odell absolutely needs to let it go. Although there are some posters on this board they could take the same advice.
You have a bizarre take. How is it not newsworthy when a former player takes shots at a team you are a fan of, and you expect thus fan not to have an opinion on an opinion board. We have had many former players move on with their lives an never utter a word about their former team. Thus there is no news in its coverage.
He has now several times unsolicited, revised falsely under the circumstances, in which he parted the NY Giants. He creates this narrative in which he has always been the aggrieved party. Although he leads the league as a WR in almost every category.
He was the most polarizing NY Giant player that has come through here since Shockey, and when he comments on social media about his form team and former "fans", you expect no reaction?
It’s not a bizarre take, he’s right. Some giants fans need to let it go just as much as Odell. This last twitter “Rant” he didn’t even take shots at the Giants, yet you still have fans being upset and posting about it. Oddly enough the same fans who claim to dislike Odell, follow his every move on social media and can’t wait to talk about him.
This is not reality, we still talk about Shockey to this day. At this time we are in the midst of the most polarizing trade of our generation. I think it is natural there will be much discussion until the 2020 season concludes.
Yeah, he stuck to his position, took a lot of shit for it, and graciously accepted all of the apologies that... oh wait, there weren't any such apologies.
It's a brave new world.
It's also a perfect world for a character like OBJ, and I don't use the word "character" as a pejorative. Characters can build successful brands, and that's exactly what OBJ has done. It's all about exposure, about keeping the spotlight pointed directly at him. It doesn't matter if he's loved or hated, as long as he remains the topic of conversation.
It doesn't matter if he wins, either. It's nice, it helps, but it's not necessary, because his brand is tied to him alone, not to any team.
But let's not pretend like the Giants current and previous staff, current and previous management, and ownership shouldn't be a little shit on for not being able to create an environment where all kinds of players can succeed.
Parcells and Coughlin had all kinds of loudmouths, assholes, egomaniacs, and bad dudes on their championship teams.
Right now, on this team, somewhere there is an asshole ready to spring up when he succeeds.
That asshole might be DeAndre Baker, or Corey Coleman, or Dexter Lawrence -- and if it happens I hope the current regime actually has the skills to handle it.
All his grandstanding, the new car with the Browns colors, his talking up Baker, to state a few, is a cover-up for his acceptance of the truth, Cleveland isn't New York City and New York City has moved on without him. In life, you pay a price for your actions and maturity is displayed by accepting the consequences of your expressed acts.
There is one important reality that OBJ has yet to acknowledge, he is not the special player he once was. The extra gear he had is no longer there, DG saw it last season coming to the realization that the production wasn't worth his shenanigans. Cleveland has had to deal with a missing person, while the Giants enthusiastic full participation.
A child cries out for attention to remain relevant, a man moves on embracing the opportunity of establishing his relevancy. I believe NYC was too much for his Big Easy mindset, worst is to come if Eli leads the Giants on a final run. No one player is above the team, an all-time great leads his team, some have been humbled by their words and actions being left in Eli's wake (Tiki and Shockey come to mind, taking a long time to recover). OBJ needs to learn, he who laughs last laughs best, up until now it has been one-sided.
Looking at the talent assembled heading into camp there is a reason for optimism. There is a wealth of young talent with strong veteran leadership. We hear the doubt of the pundits, how we lost OBJ so we have no Offense, OV no pass rush, Eli is finished, Collins, etc... All based on allegiance to past accomplishments, not recent excellence. I think there is more overall talent on this team since 2008. I think that the 2019 Giants are going to shock the league.
Gone are the malcontents who were paid as stars but refused to lead. The exception is Collins but the market value far superseded what the Giants franchise could afford. All the others were damaged goods who created dissension or couldn't stay on the field.
Its time for OBJ let go of the past and embrace his future growing unrestrained by his own words.
Excellent post, completely agree on all points.
Definitely wishful thinking on my behalf thinking he'd change or grow up a bit. We've been so bad for quite a while and it's tough to want to ship off a player as good as he is when you know your team is lacking talent. But, at the end of the day, I'm confident Gettleman did the right thing and the Giants are going to be better for it going forward.
Barkley is the type of superstar you want. Beckham isn't.
I'm glad this noise is gone.
"I love me some me"
You could use the exact same description for a large portion of the BBI contingency.
Also, I didn't know about this "hiatus" or "meltdown" until OP decided that BBI needed a new thread about it.
So perhaps it's best if certain fans look inward and focus more on their own obsessions.
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me of a 17-year old girl who got dumped and won't let it go.
You could use the exact same description for a large portion of the BBI contingency.
Bingo. The jilted-teenaged-girl feeling is strong at BBI these days.
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me of a 17-year old girl who got dumped and won't let it go.
You could use the exact same description for a large portion of the BBI contingency.
Bingo. The jilted-teenaged-girl feeling is strong at BBI these days.
Amen brother. Amen.
Also, I didn't know about this "hiatus" or "meltdown" until OP decided that BBI needed a new thread about it.
So perhaps it's best if certain fans look inward and focus more on their own obsessions.
Except I do think it has an impact. It's exhausting. I don't think Odell was let go because he didn't play or practice hard or was a dick. I think they let him go because he was exhausting. There is always some kind of drama with him.
You'd think at this point he would be happy. He's supposedly gone from a now-perennial loser to a Super Bowl hopeful. He's playing with a better QB. He's playing with his best friend.
But do you get the sense he is happy? He sounds jilted. He's the one who can't seem to let it go.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
Here's a review...
Odell Beckham suddenly has new take on Giants drama - ( New Window )
Really? Then why is the "ODELL IS BAD GUY!!!" crew the one who is constantly posting about him? Do you ever see me or Paul starting threads about him?
I think that is going to be one toxic team after a couple of losses. You think it was bad here the past two years? Watch when Landry, Beckham, Mayfield, Chubb and Hunt struggle.
It also says something when Landry and Beckham are among the top of their position and each is now on their second team.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
After every good game, the "Gettleman is an idiot, the Giants are morons" threads will come out.
After every meltdown/game not played, the "Gettleman is brilliant, the Giants were smart to dump him when they did" threads will come out.
As I said a few weeks ago, if anyone doesn't like the Beckham threads, they should stay off. But they attract posters like honey.
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that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
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that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Really? Then why is the "ODELL IS BAD GUY!!!" crew the one who is constantly posting about him? Do you ever see me or Paul starting threads about him?
I see a lot of his defenders defend him in these threads.
Spot on Greg.
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that the people who defended Beckham through thick and thin are the jilted ones.
Its clear as day Beckham was no good for this team. Maybe he will be for the Browns, but as of June 24th, 2019 - the Giants are now heading in a better direction than they were at this point last year.
who keeps starting the OBJ threads?
Hint, its not the people who enjoyed him on the team.
Who keeps defending him in every thread that is created about him?
And has OBJ really done anything for the OBJ contingent to defend him yet? His first 100 yard 2 TD performance will be a great day for all of you guys.
well I guess I "defend" him where I see fit. But to be one of the handful of people calling this a non story, or supplying some context around the "Baker has a strong arm" story hardly puts me into jilted lover category in my opinion.
But it is the slow part of the year and anything makes news now. But if you need to be critical of posters who are excited about the young players or the direction of the franchise thats your problem. Some people jut like to enjoy football, you just like to be miserable.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
Can it be argued that many teams got rid of their star WR because of the problems he presented...
Brown
Moss
Owens
Beckham
Then others like Dez, Ocho Cinco, etc.... who were clearly a distraction on their teams until they fell off a cliff.
It's a football site during the offseason. Right or wrong, developments from Spring workouts are going to be written about.
I don't agree with you that the Spring workouts are meaningless, but obviously the true test comes when the pads are put on and people can start hitting each other. Unfortunately, there is fewer and fewer of that at training camp now too.
To pat myself on the back, I started a thread before the famous carolina game worried that he wouldn't be able to keep his cool facing off against courtland finnigan.
In the end his actions were way worse than I predicted and Finnigan ended up having nothing to do with it, but I think its a good example of how I believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. I am going to use that line when I defend Eli next time.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
The trade at the of it was to get more pieces, get younger, get cheaper, and financially balance out the roster as we were very top heavy. This is why our roster sucked. We traded away everything that had any value outside of JJ. Apple was included because the Saints were dumb enough to give us a pick from him and they had a desperate need. If DG could get the haul for Eli that he got for Odell and he didn't have a NTC he would have done it in a heartbeat.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
You are playing Madden. Where personalities doesn't affect the team. I am going to wait for Madden to add a feature in where if a player is immature and always causing issues in the media it hurts your team... because that is what it does. Then people will understand more because it is in Madden.
If we have to wait and see, how is it even possible "not to think much of what DG is doing"? More likely, one would not think about it at all, considering that there is nothing (yet) to think upon.
I would say if you're tired of the "Odell check-in threads" and are incapable of controlling yourself from complaining then I'd say pass them by.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Beckham didnt dog it on the field (but the rumors about the last 4 games of the year seem to be catching steam). But he showed up his QB, coaches, and obviously management when he could. If OBJ was on another team, we would all be saying he has the same qualities as those other players.
The guy was a diva, and even though he wanted to win - there was a lot of me first in him. Whats interesting was the year he finally had another superstar on him was irionically where he came more vocal about not being happy.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
I didn't have a problem with trading Beckham. There are so many issues with the team, that I thought it was better to get a good return for him AND not have to invest $20 million per season into any wide receiver, especially while we are already committed to paying top dollar for our RB.
But the "exhaustion" factor strikes me as something that should embarrass our overrated ownership group.
I'm a big time Celtic fan. And as much as I love and respect Kyrie, you can see that sometimes even greatness doesn't lead to success. I think the total not always being equal to the sum of its parts is an unappreciated concept sometimes.
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bI believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. I am going to use that line when I defend Eli next time.
We all have our gut feelings, but until there's something to base them on, that's all they are.
lol, that was 4 years ago. That doesnt make you unbias or objective whatsoever. I am sure there are times where I said Eli played bad - I guess that makes me objective!!!!!!
Face it.... you defend OBJ to the highest degree. Its ok. Just weird you still do it when he isnt on the team though....
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
A part of me believes OBJ was ok in losing as he was the main guy. He wasnt last year, and it bothered him.
I think he was more bothered by running in the end zone alone (as in the JAX game) multiple times and not getting the ball. As he said the other day, he felt he wasn't being used up to his full potential (paraphrasing).
I loved Odell and wish he was still on the team. I follow him on Twitter and IG, although that doesn't mean much. However, I cannot understand the obsession of examining/parsing his Tweets, IG posts, and any comments to the media by Giants fans who supposedly didn't like him or are glad to be rid of him. It borders on stalking an ex-girlfriend online. I'd tell Ned in Atlanta and whoever else to JUST LET IT GO.
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bI believe I see things as they are and don't let my fandom get in the way of objectivity.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh. I am going to use that line when I defend Eli next time.
or when ron bashes him
I really don't bash Eli. Defending OBJ is not bashing Eli
Following people on Twitter isn't as immersive an experience as you're making it out to be.
I'm saying the Giants trading Beckham because they were "exhausted" by what he does on Twitter or off the field is an indictment of the organization.
The Giants problems for a decade have been due to negligent roster construction and sub-par management coming from the top-down. The Giants were never going to succeed spending a decade drafting as many RBs as offensive linemen and putting family members into important front-office roles that they are not qualified to have.
But from the Maras perspective, it sure is easier to make people think that the problem with the team over the last several years was being exhausted by the one guy playing at an elite level on offense because he has a personality off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
And the lack of effort as part of the "hands" team, and the 4 games he missed at the end of last year with an injury that was a "week to week contusion".
He issues were largely "off the field" because he chose to take himself off it...
PaulBlake its not like you to be so obtuse. Even demonstrating frustration on the sideline when not getting the ball is clearly "on the field" behavior. OBJ crossed that line numerous times, and ignoring that is pretending a false narrative.
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See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
A BRUISE.
Still a heck of a receiver. But he was not the same player in 2018 that he had been in the past. Maybe he will revert to form with Cleveland. Maybe not. But let's not pretend that the OBJ that the Giants traded away for an impressive haul of younger, cheaper talent was the best WR in the NFL. He hasn't been that in a long time -- if ever.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
Do you think they lost the Washington game because of Odell's antics or supposed lack of effort as opposed to Manning/Will Tye turnover in the end zone or Shane Vereen's fumble on their final possession? Do you actually believe they lost on the road back to back weeks to a really good defensive team in Minnesota and a playoff team in Green Bay because of backlash and distraction? The Giants had the second best record in the NFC that year... they must've done a good job handling all of that distraction and backlash.
All three of those guys were constant complainers in the media about their teams and about how they are not being treated fairly, and they were doing it while they were on those teams. As I remember it, they called out players on their own teams, complained about their QBs repeatedly, and picked fights with ownership. Also, with Moss on Oakland, he was specifically dinged for not giving any effort.
While Beckham is also someone who loves the spotlight and is as into his "brand" as the others, he didn't dog it on the field and it was constantly chirping to the media about Eli or the coaches, and he didn't have other teammates of his calling him out for his negative impact.
Just want to be contrary. There is visual evidence of him not giving his all on an onside kick. He quit on the team by not playing the last four games of the season when he was able to. He gave that interview where he pretty much blatantly said he wasn’t happy with where he was and threw his QB under the bus as well as reports that he wasn’t happy playing with Eli. He can’t keep his emotions in check and it greatly affects his play on the field.
I’m unsure of it at the moment but I think the ankle injury took away his extra ‘burst’ that made him special, he didn’t seem right last season. It’s either the injury or his emotions from losing/poor offense taking away his extra effort. He went from looking like one of the greatest ever to just ‘really good’ past season. If he really lost a bit because of his ankle injury then he is absolutely not worth $20 million/year. If not for Barkley, I think they would’ve kept him, Barkley made him expendable and the team needed the resources to improve.
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See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
Shockey was bad for our offensive chemistry. There is an ex offensive lineman who testified to that. He specifically said once Shockey left, Eli flourished.
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See that is why you are playing Madden... It wasn't just off the field. Do you remember he fighting with a net, but don't worry he made up with that net and asked it to marry him in the middle of a game. He freaks out if he isn't getting enough looks, he takes shots at his QB, he dogs it plenty of times especially with blocking.... It isn't just off the field.
I remember the game he fought with the net. He had 7 catches for 121 yards and generally whipped Josh Norman's ass all day.
I remember the game he asked the net to marry him. He had 8 catches for 222 yards and 2 TDs, including the game winning score.
It's funny the things some people choose to focus on.
It is funny that is what you remember. Do you remember we lost that 7 catches for 121 yard game where he fought with a net? Seems that is more important to remember. You remember the backlash and distraction that caused? The next 2 games we also lost as he caught 3 passes for 23 yards and then 5 for 56 yards. Very select stat memories you choose.
The backlash and distraction doesnt exist if the team is good enough to win football games.
The bottom line is the team sucked. Not that horsing around with a kicking net sent a winning team down a path of self destruction. They were in games they should not have been because of him.
Actually the team won 11 games that year. May have won more if OBJ wasn't fighting with a net and the backlash it presented. I mean clearly if you take out the net game and the two that followed where there was so much drama over it... we went 11-2 in all other games.
on playing good football.