Didi is not looking good but who would against Verlander.
I think Didi will be a tough sign in the off season because my guess is the Yanks might have tried in this winter when he was injured and it didn't happen. Just a guess but I have no problem if he leaves for greener pastures. There are others more important to extend
I love all the winning but we need to seriously get some starting pitching.
It's amazing that Happ fits Cashman criteria of being high end starter. Remember in the offseason he said he was looking to get two high end starters and he signed Happ. Granted Happ was really good, but he's never been a high end starter.
of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
That's fair. For the money Happ got, he should be doing better this year, for sure.
RE: RE: RE: Happ is coming off 4 consecutive years
of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
That's fair. For the money Happ got, he should be doing better this year, for sure.
I was in favor of signing him because he pitched well for us, but I wanted them to add more, like Charlie Morton. How they did not get in on Charlie Morton is beyond me, he's a stud and you would think the analytics team would advise that. He's making 10 mil and freaking CC is making 8
of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
That's fair. For the money Happ got, he should be doing better this year, for sure.
Agreed.
So far if hasn't been his year but he's a crafty vet and if he can straighten himself out and get right for the 2nd half, he'll be worth his salary.
As shaky as he's been the team has won a lot of the games he's started and I'd think if he improves even a little as I'd expect him to, that has to bode well for the team.
No doubt he could go the other way but I get the sense he's a gamer and won't just crumble but rather fight his way to be better.
And I'm not buying your Morton monday morning QBing. You genuinely wanted three new contracts on starting pitchers all older than 35 (CC, Happ, and Morton)? I thought the Paxton addition was better than most of the FA options.
And I'm not buying your Morton monday morning QBing. You genuinely wanted three new contracts on starting pitchers all older than 35 (CC, Happ, and Morton)? I thought the Paxton addition was better than most of the FA options.
I did not want to bring CC back. My premise is that yes Cashman got Paxton, I'm a fan, and Happ, wanted him back but didn't agree with the prcie and length, and called it an offseason. Thing is I wanted more and Morton was a guy I thought they should have considered, though I was praying for them to trade for Kluber, and hes been awful this year.
would not be talking about Happ or Morton if Severino and Betances and German were at their normal performance levels.
Of if Judge, Didi, Stanton and Andujar had not been injured.
It would have been 6-8 more wins to date and this would have just been a loss before going to the UK.
Though with German we did not expect him to be that good early, it was a godsend. My thing was Paxton was the only addition to the staff, since Happ was there last year, I would have preferred another starter especially since you can't count on CC to pitch the whole year. Now I hope we can get a top starter by the deadline and sevy and German come back healthy
A sweep would've been nice, but 3 out of 4 is great, too.
which is a piss off considering how well we have been playing. DJ continues to show himself as our first half MVP and how about our pitchers today.........
Happ was one of Cashman`s few mistakes and it should have been clear from day one. He isn`t going to go head to head with Verlander or Cole, and we could easily have gotten the same value out of someone else in our system during the regular season. Puts even more pressure on Paxton being able to stay healthy and Sevy coming back strong.
It sucks every year not to be able to watch the old-timers game.
which is a piss off considering how well we have been playing. DJ continues to show himself as our first half MVP and how about our pitchers today.........
Happ was one of Cashman`s few mistakes and it should have been clear from day one. He isn`t going to go head to head with Verlander or Cole, and we could easily have gotten the same value out of someone else in our system during the regular season. Puts even more pressure on Paxton being able to stay healthy and Sevy coming back strong.
It sucks every year not to be able to watch the old-timers game.
This. Happ based on his career is a solid guy to have, but he shouldn't stop you from further upgrading. The pressure is on now to get that guy by the deadlone
Didn't catch the whole thread - but I remember Morton being a guy who may have been a bit specific about where he'd be willing to sign; so, he may just not have been a legitimate option for the Yanks.
He's been fantastic for TB, and the turn his career took after he left PIT/PHI has been really impressive. Obviously everyone here will remember him from his 2017 postseason performance in Game 7 after the Yanks crushed him earlier in the series.
Happ and the HR ball is just a massive problem - I was worried about it all the way back in the spring, but I hoped it was just a vet pitcher working out some kinks and working on some stuff. Seems like it's carried over into the season and hasn't really died down at all.
As of now, that's not a guy you can put on the mound in a postseason game. I still fully expect Cashman to make a trade for a pitcher within the next 3-4 weeks. He'll probably wait a bit and see how Severino progresses since that'll make a difference as far as the level of pitcher we're going to need.
In any event, there's no shame in taking 3 of 4 from the 'Stros. The pitching matchup today was just really not in our favor. Shit happens.
Take 2 of 3 from the Jays and then let's take both games in London.
would not be talking about Happ or Morton if Severino and Betances and German were at their normal performance levels.
Of if Judge, Didi, Stanton and Andujar had not been injured.
It would have been 6-8 more wins to date and this would have just been a loss before going to the UK.
Agreed, Bill - but, that doesn't account for the fact that we've also played teams who have significant players out.
Houston is missing some important guys, too... like Springer, Correa and McCullers.
We got Cleveland with no Kluber or Carrasco.
No shame here, though - what the Yanks were able to do with the injuries they had was pretty damn impressive.
The rotation was actually fantastic in April when the lineup was hit super hard and we had so many backups and AAA guys in there.
Just for kicks, I looked at the numbers and we had the best starting pitching in the majors through April. In May, we were basically league average in the AL. There was a bit of a dropoff, but we started getting some hitters back and the run production started picking up a bit.
End of the day, I really like where the team is right now. The lineup is absolutely loaded. The pen is fantastic. If we can replace one of the long guys or Holder with Betances before the fall, we'll be in great shape there.
All we need to do is make sure the rotation is up to snuff.
Masa and a healthy Pax... I'll go to war with those two. But we need more than that. Sevy is going to be a major key. Fingers crossed on him. And regardless, I think Cashman makes a trade for a starter.
I think its reasonable to expect that 2 of 6 starting pitchers don't have the season one projects. Its the position where a 8% decline pulls in bad innings and scores and stresses the other pitchers. Where as a position player off by 8% from their norm performance may not be noticed.
Happ was intended as a 4th 5th starter and innings eater. As one of those goes, he is about average. Its always a role prone to fan condemnation for they have weaknesses that are bound to show up in some ugly losses.
I think good 1-3 starters are too expensive for the tradeable talent we currently have. Im expecting a bull pen arm first and then another arm of the current talent level of CC/Happ/German
Why take him out now? Might as well get something out of his low pitch count.
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Why take him out now? Might as well get something out of his low pitch count.
Keep him now yes....but I wasn't anticipating a grand slam from a beer league guy.
No harm, no foul.
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Why take him out now? Might as well get something out of his low pitch count.
Exactly.
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Why take him out now? Might as well get something out of his low pitch count.
Also known as taking one for the team
it's all good
Yep that's Kay's special treat every game like everyone watching has never watched a baseball game before.
I think Didi will be a tough sign in the off season because my guess is the Yanks might have tried in this winter when he was injured and it didn't happen. Just a guess but I have no problem if he leaves for greener pastures. There are others more important to extend
It's ain't over yet.
And Michael Kay said they worked Verlander well. He's on pace to pitch 6+ innings...
It's amazing that Happ fits Cashman criteria of being high end starter. Remember in the offseason he said he was looking to get two high end starters and he signed Happ. Granted Happ was really good, but he's never been a high end starter.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
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of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
That's fair. For the money Happ got, he should be doing better this year, for sure.
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of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
That's fair. For the money Happ got, he should be doing better this year, for sure.
I was in favor of signing him because he pitched well for us, but I wanted them to add more, like Charlie Morton. How they did not get in on Charlie Morton is beyond me, he's a stud and you would think the analytics team would advise that. He's making 10 mil and freaking CC is making 8
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of sub 3.66 ERA, and he pitched to a sub 3 ERA for us in the last half of last year.
Based on the last four years, he's been a good pitcher, no doubt. But when you're saying high end starter, I want more than Ja Happ, that's what I'm wondering what Cashman definition of a high end starter. Also, with the team so analytic base, there were red flags projecting a decline in Happs performance, yet they shelled out 17 mil for 2 years, maybe three
That's fair. For the money Happ got, he should be doing better this year, for sure.
Agreed.
So far if hasn't been his year but he's a crafty vet and if he can straighten himself out and get right for the 2nd half, he'll be worth his salary.
As shaky as he's been the team has won a lot of the games he's started and I'd think if he improves even a little as I'd expect him to, that has to bode well for the team.
No doubt he could go the other way but I get the sense he's a gamer and won't just crumble but rather fight his way to be better.
Right 15, thought it was 3 yr 30 mil deal. He definitely showed higher upside though. But anyway, I wanted them to sign both of them
I did not want to bring CC back. My premise is that yes Cashman got Paxton, I'm a fan, and Happ, wanted him back but didn't agree with the prcie and length, and called it an offseason. Thing is I wanted more and Morton was a guy I thought they should have considered, though I was praying for them to trade for Kluber, and hes been awful this year.
Of if Judge, Didi, Stanton and Andujar had not been injured.
It would have been 6-8 more wins to date and this would have just been a loss before going to the UK.
Of if Judge, Didi, Stanton and Andujar had not been injured.
It would have been 6-8 more wins to date and this would have just been a loss before going to the UK.
Though with German we did not expect him to be that good early, it was a godsend. My thing was Paxton was the only addition to the staff, since Happ was there last year, I would have preferred another starter especially since you can't count on CC to pitch the whole year. Now I hope we can get a top starter by the deadline and sevy and German come back healthy
Happ was one of Cashman`s few mistakes and it should have been clear from day one. He isn`t going to go head to head with Verlander or Cole, and we could easily have gotten the same value out of someone else in our system during the regular season. Puts even more pressure on Paxton being able to stay healthy and Sevy coming back strong.
It sucks every year not to be able to watch the old-timers game.
Happ was one of Cashman`s few mistakes and it should have been clear from day one. He isn`t going to go head to head with Verlander or Cole, and we could easily have gotten the same value out of someone else in our system during the regular season. Puts even more pressure on Paxton being able to stay healthy and Sevy coming back strong.
It sucks every year not to be able to watch the old-timers game.
This. Happ based on his career is a solid guy to have, but he shouldn't stop you from further upgrading. The pressure is on now to get that guy by the deadlone
He's been fantastic for TB, and the turn his career took after he left PIT/PHI has been really impressive. Obviously everyone here will remember him from his 2017 postseason performance in Game 7 after the Yanks crushed him earlier in the series.
Happ and the HR ball is just a massive problem - I was worried about it all the way back in the spring, but I hoped it was just a vet pitcher working out some kinks and working on some stuff. Seems like it's carried over into the season and hasn't really died down at all.
As of now, that's not a guy you can put on the mound in a postseason game. I still fully expect Cashman to make a trade for a pitcher within the next 3-4 weeks. He'll probably wait a bit and see how Severino progresses since that'll make a difference as far as the level of pitcher we're going to need.
In any event, there's no shame in taking 3 of 4 from the 'Stros. The pitching matchup today was just really not in our favor. Shit happens.
Take 2 of 3 from the Jays and then let's take both games in London.
Of if Judge, Didi, Stanton and Andujar had not been injured.
It would have been 6-8 more wins to date and this would have just been a loss before going to the UK.
Agreed, Bill - but, that doesn't account for the fact that we've also played teams who have significant players out.
Houston is missing some important guys, too... like Springer, Correa and McCullers.
We got Cleveland with no Kluber or Carrasco.
No shame here, though - what the Yanks were able to do with the injuries they had was pretty damn impressive.
The rotation was actually fantastic in April when the lineup was hit super hard and we had so many backups and AAA guys in there.
Just for kicks, I looked at the numbers and we had the best starting pitching in the majors through April. In May, we were basically league average in the AL. There was a bit of a dropoff, but we started getting some hitters back and the run production started picking up a bit.
End of the day, I really like where the team is right now. The lineup is absolutely loaded. The pen is fantastic. If we can replace one of the long guys or Holder with Betances before the fall, we'll be in great shape there.
All we need to do is make sure the rotation is up to snuff.
Masa and a healthy Pax... I'll go to war with those two. But we need more than that. Sevy is going to be a major key. Fingers crossed on him. And regardless, I think Cashman makes a trade for a starter.
Happ was intended as a 4th 5th starter and innings eater. As one of those goes, he is about average. Its always a role prone to fan condemnation for they have weaknesses that are bound to show up in some ugly losses.
I think good 1-3 starters are too expensive for the tradeable talent we currently have. Im expecting a bull pen arm first and then another arm of the current talent level of CC/Happ/German