I think its reasonable to expect that 2 of 6 starting pitchers don't have the season one projects. Its the position where a 8% decline pulls in bad innings and scores and stresses the other pitchers. Where as a position player off by 8% from their norm performance may not be noticed.
Happ was intended as a 4th 5th starter and innings eater. As one of those goes, he is about average. Its always a role prone to fan condemnation for they have weaknesses that are bound to show up in some ugly losses.
I think good 1-3 starters are too expensive for the tradeable talent we currently have. Im expecting a bull pen arm first and then another arm of the current talent level of CC/Happ/German
That's my thing, if we expected Happ to be a 4th starter, fine bring him back, he pitched well. But Cashman thought of him as a high end starter and rewarded him as such.
I think its reasonable to expect that 2 of 6 starting pitchers don't have the season one projects. Its the position where a 8% decline pulls in bad innings and scores and stresses the other pitchers. Where as a position player off by 8% from their norm performance may not be noticed.
Happ was intended as a 4th 5th starter and innings eater. As one of those goes, he is about average. Its always a role prone to fan condemnation for they have weaknesses that are bound to show up in some ugly losses.
I think good 1-3 starters are too expensive for the tradeable talent we currently have. Im expecting a bull pen arm first and then another arm of the current talent level of CC/Happ/German
That's my thing, if we expected Happ to be a 4th starter, fine bring him back, he pitched well. But Cashman thought of him as a high end starter and rewarded him as such.
He didn't really - a guy like Corbin got closer to 25M per year and got more years.
Jordan Zimmermann is making more than Happ is. His contract is terrible; but still.
Right now, obviously Happ's contract looks shitty and like an overpay. But, he's definitely not being paid as a TOR pitcher - other SP's who are projected to be TOR pitchers or aces who are getting new deals now are getting high 20's and even 30+ per year (deGrom, Verlander, Price, Scherzer, Kershaw, Sale, etc)
Happ is getting about half of what some of those guys are per year.
I thought it was smart to keep him around as a back end guy if he was going to pitch to his career numbers; but so far he's giving up way, way too many HR balls and has had too many bad starts.
To be clear, it looks like a rare misfire for Cashman - but we're not even halfway through yet. Happ could have a stronger second half and we've got to hope he does because we're going to need innings from our starters to preserve the pen.
im pretty sure that if we look at what was available that year, we will find Happ was not overpaid to market as a 4th slot pitcher. First of all, he cost 3 years. Theoretically, long enough for us to develop a 4th slot from the minors...or to tide us over until Montgomery comes back ( that was the plan) or we could trade what was then Andujar and Frazier and Estrada and Wade or Bird as promising minor leaguers for a 2nd/3rd/4th.
That was the plan
As a performing 4th slot pitcher who had a record of eating innings and pitching strong in Fenway.
Great signing? not so far. Disaster? hardly
The disaster was and is Ellsbury. Gray was but he got traded for equal value and cost us nothing in real value so far.
but I've been worried about these games in London. I do not want to see anyone (either team) get hurt on the London Stadium baseball field that has been constructed with a new artificial surface. It is a surface that is known and furnished by a US company, but I still worry that an outfielder will suffer an injury on a surface used for the first time. Hopefully I am all wet, wouldn't be the first time.
Hopefully Deivi is the real deal. The Yanks are due to have a SP pan out and make it up to the bigs. They signed Sevy as an IFA back in '11 - and I'd say he's been a success. But there hasn't been much luck otherwise. I don't think this year is realistic for Garcia - but if he stays on track, we could see him at some point next year. Still just 20 years old.
There's Loaisiga and Abreu... Loaisiga is having a lot of trouble staying healthy and when he's been healthy, his outings have been very short. Abreu has been alright this year in Trenton.
Looks like trading Sheffield is no real loss so far... he's been bad in Tacoma for the Mariners. 6.87 ERA in 55 innings this year.
Any pitching help we get this year will have to come via getting healthy (Severino, German, Loaisiga... not really expecting anything from Montgo) or via trade.
So, I think we'll see an acquisition sometime in July which will be dependent on Sevy's progress.
Happ is not looking like a good investment, bad location
is really costing him this year. He is getting hurt a lot, when he misses location.
He has given up 20 gopher balls, needs to keep them to solo shots, he is a flyball pitcher.
They need to find another starter, and get German back, even though he has an innings limit.
My expectations for Severino are tempered this year.
Hopefully Deivi is the real deal. The Yanks are due to have a SP pan out and make it up to the bigs. They signed Sevy as an IFA back in '11 - and I'd say he's been a success. But there hasn't been much luck otherwise. I don't think this year is realistic for Garcia - but if he stays on track, we could see him at some point next year. Still just 20 years old.
There's Loaisiga and Abreu... Loaisiga is having a lot of trouble staying healthy and when he's been healthy, his outings have been very short. has been alright this year in Trenton.
Looks like trading Sheffield is no real loss so far... he's been bad in Tacoma for the Mariners. 6.87 ERA in 55 innings this year.
Any pitching help we get this year will have to come via getting healthy (Severino, German, Loaisiga... not really expecting anything from Montgo) or via trade.
So, I think we'll see an acquisition sometime in July which will be dependent on Sevy's progress.
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Loaisiga had trouble staying healthy with the Giants,
that's how he wound up here in the first place.
He was a Rule V pickup I believe, and he has only proven that when healthy, he has arm talent.
He still needs to learn how to pitch up here...
no need to hand ring about the SP right now. See if Sevi can make it back in the 2nd half and you know Cash will get a SP. Those playoff series are not going to be decided by Verlander pitching 3 games(Which he won't any way) they are going to be decided by the pens, and no matter how good they pitch every other game the Stro's pen always shits the bed vs. the Yanks at the stadium in a big spot. The most important thing is getting home field vs. the Stros in a series. The Twins? I don't give a shit where we play them. We own them and they know it. No way in hell they beat us with the pitching they have right now.
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
Quite simply he's been the team MVP of the 1st half.
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
Quite simply he's been the team MVP of the 1st half.
I agree. And Sanchez is having an MVP caliber season at the C spot. Which just shows how spectacular DJ has been that he seems to be edging out Gary a little bit in MVP terms.
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
Quite simply he's been the team MVP of the 1st half.
I agree. And Sanchez is having an MVP caliber season at the C spot. Which just shows how spectacular DJ has been that he seems to be edging out Gary a little bit in MVP terms.
I would pick LeMahieu right now, but an exceedingly strong argument can be made for Gary Sanchez. It would be hard to pick between the two. And Sanchez's defense has been very good IMHO this season.
Happ was intended as a 4th 5th starter and innings eater. As one of those goes, he is about average. Its always a role prone to fan condemnation for they have weaknesses that are bound to show up in some ugly losses.
I think good 1-3 starters are too expensive for the tradeable talent we currently have. Im expecting a bull pen arm first and then another arm of the current talent level of CC/Happ/German
That's my thing, if we expected Happ to be a 4th starter, fine bring him back, he pitched well. But Cashman thought of him as a high end starter and rewarded him as such.
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I think its reasonable to expect that 2 of 6 starting pitchers don't have the season one projects. Its the position where a 8% decline pulls in bad innings and scores and stresses the other pitchers. Where as a position player off by 8% from their norm performance may not be noticed.
Happ was intended as a 4th 5th starter and innings eater. As one of those goes, he is about average. Its always a role prone to fan condemnation for they have weaknesses that are bound to show up in some ugly losses.
I think good 1-3 starters are too expensive for the tradeable talent we currently have. Im expecting a bull pen arm first and then another arm of the current talent level of CC/Happ/German
That's my thing, if we expected Happ to be a 4th starter, fine bring him back, he pitched well. But Cashman thought of him as a high end starter and rewarded him as such.
He didn't really - a guy like Corbin got closer to 25M per year and got more years.
Jordan Zimmermann is making more than Happ is. His contract is terrible; but still.
Right now, obviously Happ's contract looks shitty and like an overpay. But, he's definitely not being paid as a TOR pitcher - other SP's who are projected to be TOR pitchers or aces who are getting new deals now are getting high 20's and even 30+ per year (deGrom, Verlander, Price, Scherzer, Kershaw, Sale, etc)
Happ is getting about half of what some of those guys are per year.
I thought it was smart to keep him around as a back end guy if he was going to pitch to his career numbers; but so far he's giving up way, way too many HR balls and has had too many bad starts.
To be clear, it looks like a rare misfire for Cashman - but we're not even halfway through yet. Happ could have a stronger second half and we've got to hope he does because we're going to need innings from our starters to preserve the pen.
That was the plan
As a performing 4th slot pitcher who had a record of eating innings and pitching strong in Fenway.
Great signing? not so far. Disaster? hardly
The disaster was and is Ellsbury. Gray was but he got traded for equal value and cost us nothing in real value so far.
There's Loaisiga and Abreu... Loaisiga is having a lot of trouble staying healthy and when he's been healthy, his outings have been very short. Abreu has been alright this year in Trenton.
Looks like trading Sheffield is no real loss so far... he's been bad in Tacoma for the Mariners. 6.87 ERA in 55 innings this year.
Any pitching help we get this year will have to come via getting healthy (Severino, German, Loaisiga... not really expecting anything from Montgo) or via trade.
So, I think we'll see an acquisition sometime in July which will be dependent on Sevy's progress.
Today he was reinstated (believe it or not, the Yankees IL went from 12 down to 11) and pitched for High A Tampa.
Threw 21 pitches. Hit 96 MPH several times.
No way that Ben Heller is part of the 2019 Yankees, but a very possible option in 2020.
...I have NO DOUBT about that.
But what if we have a best of seven with Houston and face Verlander at least twice, if not thrice?
Guess we'll find out.
is really costing him this year. He is getting hurt a lot, when he misses location.
He has given up 20 gopher balls, needs to keep them to solo shots, he is a flyball pitcher.
They need to find another starter, and get German back, even though he has an innings limit.
My expectations for Severino are tempered this year.
There's Loaisiga and Abreu... Loaisiga is having a lot of trouble staying healthy and when he's been healthy, his outings have been very short. has been alright this year in Trenton.
Looks like trading Sheffield is no real loss so far... he's been bad in Tacoma for the Mariners. 6.87 ERA in 55 innings this year.
Any pitching help we get this year will have to come via getting healthy (Severino, German, Loaisiga... not really expecting anything from Montgo) or via trade.
So, I think we'll see an acquisition sometime in July which will be dependent on Sevy's progress.
Loaisiga had trouble staying healthy with the Giants,
that's how he wound up here in the first place.
He was a Rule V pickup I believe, and he has only proven that when healthy, he has arm talent.
He still needs to learn how to pitch up here...
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
Quite simply he's been the team MVP of the 1st half.
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
Quite simply he's been the team MVP of the 1st half.
I agree. And Sanchez is having an MVP caliber season at the C spot. Which just shows how spectacular DJ has been that he seems to be edging out Gary a little bit in MVP terms.
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Some amazing DJ LeMahieu facts:
- Leads MLB in hits with RISP (32)
- Leads MLB in BA with RISP (.478)
- Leads all Yankees in hits (93)
- Leads all Yankees in BA (.322)
- Has 30 multi-hit games
- Has 1+ hit in 56 of 71 games
- BA has not dipped below .272
Quite simply he's been the team MVP of the 1st half.
I agree. And Sanchez is having an MVP caliber season at the C spot. Which just shows how spectacular DJ has been that he seems to be edging out Gary a little bit in MVP terms.
I would pick LeMahieu right now, but an exceedingly strong argument can be made for Gary Sanchez. It would be hard to pick between the two. And Sanchez's defense has been very good IMHO this season.
They are not 21 games over .500 without both.